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Agent X20

3rd August 2004, 22:37

Just thought I would mention it.. in case Corgi are testing all their AWACS and are reading this site from a scale 60,000 feet... BEA one please.. 1/72..

Thank you..

Agent X20

raff

4th August 2004, 15:05

Now I'm not really a chopper fan .. but this I'd buy. If only to remind me of the Airfix kit and those b...... awful decals that I spent ages trying to get in place before they disintegrated!

raff

ascot

4th August 2004, 16:14

Yes would make a smart model and I would buy one :cool:

Agent X20

4th August 2004, 20:22

Now I'm not really a chopper fan .. but this I'd buy. If only to remind me of the Airfix kit and those b...... awful decals that I spent ages trying to get in place before they disintegrated!

raff

Was there an Airfix BEA S61......?????

Agent X20

raff

4th August 2004, 22:43

Was there an Airfix BEA S61......?????

Agent X20

Clearly I'm going to have to look up reference books before indulging in idle chit chat.
I seem to recall their first was a BEA version ... but, yes the S.55 [told you I'm not a real chopper fan] and it was from memory dragged up from about 40 years ago! Anybody else remember it?

raff

Agent X20

4th August 2004, 22:45

Airfix did a BEA Whirlwind.. I think.. this is memory stuff... not an S61.... stretched Sea King...

BSteinIPMS

5th August 2004, 18:13

They make me nervous. :eek:

But yes, Raff & Agent, Airfix did do a 1/72 Westland Whirlwind, a license-built copy of the Sikorsky H-19 (S-55). Revell did one in 1/48 with both wheels and amphibious floats.

Revell has done a 1/48 Sikorsky H-34 (S-58). I think there is a Wessex around somewhere (try http://www.squadron.com)

Revell makes a 1/72 model of the Sikorsky S-61R (USAF CH-3E) with rear ramp and tricycle landing gear.

Airfix makes the SH-3 Sea King (S-61A) with the tail wheel in 1/72, while Hasegawa does it in 1/48.

No one does the S-61L, the extended cabin passenger version (straight leg landing gear, 28 seats) flown by New York Airways, Los Angeles Airways, and SFO (San Francisco & Oakland Airways), which airlines are now all defunct.

Neither is there a S-61N which is the amphibious version flown by BEA which had sponsons for floatation, and a taller pylon (vertical tail) for increased water clearance for the tail rotor.

Ah, reminiscence. I've flown all of these in a previous lifetime, long ago, in a galaxy far away....sigh. No wonder I'm so twitchy.....

Agent X20

5th August 2004, 18:18

Yep agreed I knew Airfix had done the Whirlwind..(S55) I remember making it... but think it came first out in the fifties complete with BEA livery... sorry British European Airways.

raff

5th August 2004, 21:15

Yep agreed I knew Airfix had done the Whirlwind..(S55) I remember making it... but think it came first out in the fifties complete with BEA livery... sorry British European Airways.

Thats the one I was rabbiting on about! Late fifties .. one of their earliest.
Decals were a swine to apply from the saucer.

Thanks for the confirmation Bob ... nice to know not all my little grey cells have gone walk about!

Raff

BSteinIPMS

5th August 2004, 23:59

Not a problem, raff: you're just acting like a typical helicopter pilot. You see, the constant noise and vibration shakes the brain loose from its moorings..... :eek:

Agent X20

6th August 2004, 10:19

2/-, Dark Grey plastic...tube of glue, transparent stand and grotty fall apart decals...

Be worth a bob or two now...

Agent X20

raff

6th August 2004, 11:50

2/-, Dark Grey plastic...tube of glue, transparent stand and grotty fall apart decals...

Be worth a bob or two now...

Agent X20

Primary colour gloss paints in little plastic capsules.The crew represented by a raised knob of plastic under the hood, disintegrating decals :confused:

God! No wonder I collect AA!! :rolleyes:

raff

Agent X20

6th August 2004, 11:56

Little tins of Humbrol..... at 6d a time..

goonybird

12th August 2004, 10:01

Just thought I would mention it.. in case Corgi are testing all their AWACS and are reading this site from a scale 60,000 feet... BEA one please.. 1/72..

Thank you..

Agent X20

The Sea King would need a cut'n'plug to make it longer. Oh well, could always chop up the 1000's of president(s) choppers! I remember someone blowing me out for suggesting the British Airways Chinook , saying the nose was different? If a BEA S61 was possible, a BA Wokka should be easier??

Agent X20

30th August 2004, 11:59

Aint all the Presidents Choppers being repainted in Stobart colours...??

goonybird

30th August 2004, 12:42

Grief! Wot next? A Volvo Curtainside truck in RAF colors??? :eek:

Agent X20

30th August 2004, 12:51

I was being serious... they do and they go on the Bay for quite a bit of dosh... so far it seems to be the Pesidents Chopper and one of the Hercules that are repainted..... (there is the DC3 and 'novelty' Bell chopper..)

Albert Ross

28th September 2004, 22:52

The Sea King would need a cut'n'plug to make it longer. Oh well, could always chop up the 1000's of president(s) choppers! I remember someone blowing me out for suggesting the British Airways Chinook , saying the nose was different? If a BEA S61 was possible, a BA Wokka should be easier??

Okay, Agent, you asked for a BEA S-61N, so this is specially for you! How do you like this as a prototype model following your request? This is 'hush, hush', so keep it to yourself! :eek:

goonybird

28th September 2004, 23:42

nice one albert, but isn't this getting Scilly!! :D

spock1

29th September 2004, 00:43

:rolleyes: Mr. GB,

Likely Isles away from seeing the light of day but certainly one worth SERIOUS consideration............. :D

Agent X20

29th September 2004, 08:53

slobber.....

Thanks......

BSteinIPMS

29th September 2004, 15:38

Okay, Agent, you asked for a BEA S-61N, so this is specially for you! How do you like this as a prototype model following your request? This is 'hush, hush', so keep it to yourself! :eek:

Hmmmm.....the high level of detailing and the quality of the finish leads me to believe this can only be a highly modified kit built by the inimitable Albert Ross and as such represents no Corgi prototype.... ;)

I think another "giveaway" was Albert asking Agent to keep it quiet! :D

Agent X20

29th September 2004, 15:49

Who said what...

1500 of those would shift.... but hey, they will find one with blue stripes and yellow spots and do that...

Agent X20

21st October 2004, 10:12

Albert Ross

6th January 2005, 15:59

Keep this thread 'live'.....civil choppers coming.... :rolleyes:

Agent X20

6th January 2005, 16:27

Ah well things looking up.... (even if Civils are 1.144)

BSteinIPMS

6th January 2005, 17:15

Here's one I had a several-year fling with from my former company. This is a short-cabin S-61A (or a cut-down "L").

We flew long-cabin 28-seat S-61L models (ex-Los Angeles Airways birds) in Washington State in the high Cascade Mountains doing the aerial logging thing, grueling work.
So please don't release a Corgi S-61 in these colors to remind me of those painful days! :D

Agent X20

6th January 2005, 17:21

I say release it... and include a full set of instructions..!!!

Albert Ross

7th January 2005, 21:32

I say release it... and include a full set of instructions..!!!

...happiness is a big chopper..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Agent X20

10th February 2005, 12:16

Keep this thread 'live'.....civil choppers coming.... :rolleyes:

any news....??

ForkTailedDevil

17th February 2005, 13:40

There is civilian Chinook belonging to a Colombian oil company, or something like that. It put in an appearance in Jurassic Park 2. Black and Gold colour scheme if memory serves.

Agent X20

17th February 2005, 16:35

What did Pan Am operate off the skyscrapers..? Oooops sorry cant have a Pan Am anything... bum...

Boeing Vertol thingys.... look like Chinooks.. :o

BSteinIPMS

17th February 2005, 18:58

What did Pan Am operate off the skyscrapers..? Oooops sorry cant have a Pan Am anything... bum...

Boeing Vertol thingys.... look like Chinooks.. :o

Actually, Agent, it was New York Airways who flew off the Pan Am building in downtown Manhattan using the Boeing Vertol 107, a kind-of 3/4 copy of the Chinook. 107s were flown by the Navy and USMC as CH-46s, the Army flew the Chinook as a CH-47. Very different aircraft, but easily confused. Good post, now go tidy up that Airfix CH-46 stored in your loft. :D

NYA later flew Sikorsky S-61Ls and stored the 107s. http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=New+York+Airways&distinct_entry=true

Agent X20

17th February 2005, 22:44

This is not ****** fair...... me memory is going... I did a bit of ref work before posting and yes it was New York Airways.. etc etc.. but Agents 8K of RAM had somewhere stored a Chinook looking copter white twin rotors..with the Pan Am logo on it, the Pan am bit not the globe..... (Not a Westand 30 jobbie) and I cant ****** find the piccies.... aaaargghh...

BTW thansk for the post Bob...

Altzeimers here we ... er what..?

rmorley

2nd September 2005, 20:31

Actually, Agent, it was New York Airways who flew off the Pan Am building in downtown Manhattan using the Boeing Vertol 107, a kind-of 3/4 copy of the Chinook. 107s were flown by the Navy and USMC as CH-46s, the Army flew the Chinook as a CH-47. Very different aircraft, but easily confused. Good post, now go tidy up that Airfix CH-46 stored in your loft. :D

NYA later flew Sikorsky S-61Ls and stored the 107s. http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?airlinesearch=New+York+Airways&distinct_entry=true

The 107 was, if my mind serves me correctly, actually a developement of the Vertol/Piasecki line of helos and it actually preceded the Chinook.

If anyone can't wait for Albert's proposed S-61N, this is probably the place to go for your S-61 hacked from an Airfix kit:

http://www.aim72.co.uk/TWC-007.htm

Regards

Gannet

2nd September 2005, 20:38

The Helicopter Museum have a number of Westland WG.30s as part of their collection, an 'orrible piece of kit bastardised from the Lynx. At least two of them are former Pan-Am aircraft. Pan-Am bought a number, as did British Airways, but it was a hopeless disaster. Too small and not enough thrust, I believe.

rmorley

3rd September 2005, 21:45

Agent X20

3rd September 2005, 22:17

Oooooooooooh were is Mr Jaffa.. get this back on track and a promise of a BEA S61..!!!

Fat chance eh.... sorry for the interuption.. carry on as before..!!

maple 01

3rd September 2005, 23:54

Nope, Bristows S-61N first

Mr Kipling

11th October 2005, 22:59

Albert Ross

12th October 2005, 14:02

Bump.....

I want an S61 too!

Not as if there's a shortage of paint schemes to do either..

Off the top of my head there is....

BEA red square and high speed colours,

Three different British Airways schemes,

UK and Eire coastguard (could probably get two models out by changing names and reg's + think of all the people who would want one to go with their Navy and RAF Seakings £££!!)

British Caledonian Airlink

Bristow Helicopters

Two British International Helicopters schemes (sure to be big sellers)

11 possible models and these are only UK operators as well!!

Please check this Forum - we have been there before!! :( Cannot do an S-61 as it's a completely different machine with longer fuselage full of windows, floats are set further forward, thinner tail, slab stabalizer and just too many differences to consider!

Mr Kipling

12th October 2005, 20:43

Cannot do an S-61 as it's a completely different machine with longer fuselage full of windows, floats are set further forward, thinner tail, slab stabalizer and just too many differences to consider!

I know a completely different tool would be needed. Doesn't stop me from wanting one though does it? :(

I don't think when a load of bloke's made the first diecast model many years ago, did they think "we can't do an **** or an ****** as we'll need a whole new tool because there's too many changes for the single tool we have to be modified.

Lately, what i've seen from Corgi is a bodged up super Connie, a Nimrod thats too long, and a Jag with overwing weapon pylons that shouldn't have them, all because of using the same or modifing an existing tool.

An S-61N is what I would like and i'm sure many would want one too, not another silver Mustang or camo Vulcan, which yes, may be cheap to produce, but no one wants more then one or two of each, even the diehard collectors would wait until the price is slashed before getting it.

Soon, there's not going to be many colour schemes you can do before going over them again, BOAC Comets and Britannias for example. .

Thats why new tools are needed, to keep the range fresh!

And that is why I want an S-61N, a new tool to collect!!!

or are the collectors just be peddled more "modified" toolings and be charged again for the same basic model like maybe creating a Bf109 Gustav version, a Sea Harrier FA2 by changing the nose piece casting, or by butchering the Sunderland casting to make a cheap sandringham??

New castings (with a long future i.e. not Nimrod) please!!

Agent X20

12th October 2005, 20:57

Well said sir.. exceedingly good cakes... do you mind if they put it in a presentation box with my VC10... I quite agree that the milking of some of these molds is getting a little bit long in the tooth when they want as they do, nearly £50 for the Connies/Nimrod.

Mr Kipling

12th October 2005, 21:17

do you mind if they put it in a presentation box with my VC10
A British Airways Super VC10 and S-61N set with commemorative booklet? Not forgetting the commissioned box art and hand written certificate of course :D

Even if Corgi made 20,000 of them they would fly out of the shops without touching the shelves :)

Not like my local Modelzone, stuffed full of Guadalcanal sets at half price, Legends by the ton and formations of silver Mustangs and Blue Angels Phantoms crammed in the display case.

Albert Ross

23rd August 2006, 16:16

Civil helicopters are in my plans, but regret not for 2007. Will have to be 2008.

sniperUK

23rd August 2006, 18:50

Civil helicopters are in my plans, but regret not for 2007. Will have to be 2008.

Bristows Wessex? US Forrestry Service Firehawk?:)

Agent X20

23rd August 2006, 23:56

Civil helicopters are in my plans, . Good oh.. hes running the show now... might get a DH121 after all.... or even a **** *** from Mrs Agent....

.. hey chaps... a Trident is at long last on the cards.......:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

ETOPS

23rd October 2006, 15:02

This is what I'd like to see if these S-61N plans will ever come through...

Agent X20

23rd October 2006, 18:01

Signwritten by Agent Carr..

Agent Carr

23rd October 2006, 18:30

Signwritten by Agent Carr..

It wasnt one of my better business ventures!