Hobby Master 110's

[eismeer]

Just been having a look through the HobbyMaster site and they are showing an Me-110 in the future release section for November but with no information:confused:

Was this a planned release or is it something that has been put on the backburner?

I know there has been rumours of Beaufighters and other possible twin engine types, maybe 110, but does anyone have or know any info?:unsure:

[eismeer]

Whoops, sorry admin, posted in the wrong section, should have been Warbirds thread:o

[shuttle]

Eismeer,

No problem, I have moved it. They way HobbyMaster are motoring I expect this to be out for Xmas. I hope they do a good 'BoB' version!!

:) Shuttle

[eismeer]

They way HobbyMaster are motoring I expect this to be out for Xmas. :) Shuttle

Thanks shuttle and i think you could well be right.

Been a while since i had a look through the HM site but was staggered to see how far they have come in such a short time. Certainly putting quite an inventory together:cool:

Me personally, i wanna see a Jg5 Zerstorer, with sharks mouth:cool:

[col]

Just noticed two profiles on the HM Collector Page for Me110s - and one is, of course, (and as we would expect from HM) a Nachtjager:)

[shuttle]

This is good news as the variant being produced by HM is a Bf-110G-4/U1 whereas Corgi will produce a Messerschmitt Bf110C. I think there are significant differences? This is the same situation with the Corgi/HM Stuka(s).

I just hope HM can do a good job with the RADAR array - Corgi have in the past.....

:D Shuttle

[p-51d]

Really looking forward to these releases , let's hope they put crew in them , i think the major changes between C@G were mainly weapons and engines but will look in books.:)

[p-51d]

The BF110G had larger rudders and was slightly more aerodynamic but not hugely different like MK1 and MKX1V spitfires for example.

[uksubs]

Pic from the web site
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/3975/ha1801sample546x173zg0.jpg
Just need them to make a Mosquito mk 30 now ;)

[col]

It's going to be interesting how HM tackle the mottling on the fuselage. Given quality of their finishes and their willingness to tackle subtleties of weathering, I have high hopes.
And, good news that Corgi and HM will not clash version wise. Happy Lufty fan:)

[shuttle]

P-51d, I thought there was a bit more then that (engine nacelles?) but we need a certain Mr Bull to advise....!

:D Shuttle

[maple 01]

That one 'aint kitted out for nightfighting, it's a day bird, no radar fit and no exhaust shrouds. Basically a clay pigeon for the Eighth Airforce

[Pauck]

This is good news as the variant being produced by HM is a Bf-110G-4/U1 whereas Corgi will produce a Messerschmitt Bf110C. I think there are significant differences?

The different is small. C-Series has 4 MG 17 fixed in the nose plus 2 MG FF cannon and 1 MG 15 at the rear of the cabin. G-Series (especially G-4 Nightfighter) has 2 Mk 108 in the nose and 2 MG 151 under the fuselage. Either “Schräge Musik” with 2 MG 151 or a twin MG81 at the rear of the cabin.
Would be interesting if this Nightfigter has Drewes own configuration: 4 MG 17 not two Mk 108 and the “Schräge Musik" was after the Pilot seat, not at the end of the cabin

[Agent Carr]

Cool. Looking forward to seeing what the casting is like. If it is good no need to buy the Corgi version.

[eismeer]

Bring 'em on:cool:

Really looking forward to the Me-110, both Corgi and HM :)

[Pauck]

The only problem that I have with this 3 releases from Corgi and HM: What I will make with my IXO Bf-110:wacko:

[hawkonevoodoo]

That one 'aint kitted out for nightfighting, it's a day bird, no radar fit and no exhaust shrouds. Basically a clay pigeon for the Eighth Airforce

HA1802 is the night fighter version.
http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/HA1802G9-WDBf-110.html

[chris1966m]

The only problem that I have with this 3 releases from Corgi and HM: What I will make with my IXO Bf-110:wacko:

what to do with an IXO bf110....

May i suggest some black enamel....white MTO band, wire guns and a few decals....and make an Italian NF out of it.....:D :D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff81/chrism66_2007/kits%20built/2006%2011%20Me%20bf110%20NF%20Italian/P1010427.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff81/chrism66_2007/kits%20built/2006%2011%20Me%20bf110%20NF%20Italian/P1010426.jpg

....this diecast makeover uses an IXO

[p-51d]

HA1802 is the night fighter version.
http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/HA1802G9-WDBf-110.html

Hawkonevoodoo , are we looking at pre xmas releases here???

[The Defiant Man]

what to do with an IXO bf110....

May i suggest some black enamel....white MTO band, wire guns and a few decals....and make an Italian NF out of it.....:D :D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff81/chrism66_2007/kits%20built/P1010428a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff81/chrism66_2007/kits%20built/P1010426a.jpg

....this diecast makeover uses an IXO

Excellent idea....and excellent make-over. :cool

[Leviathan]

what to do with an IXO bf110....

May i suggest some black enamel....white MTO band, wire guns and a few decals....and make an Italian NF out of it.....:D :D

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff81/chrism66_2007/kits%20built/P1010428a.jpg

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff81/chrism66_2007/kits%20built/P1010426a.jpg

....this diecast makeover uses an IXO

Chris,

That is a little stunner!

Anyone would think you knew a little about this subject!:rolleyes:


Best wishes



Leviathan

[corgi956]

Let's not run before we can walk!!:)

I want my Corgi Bob Me110C first.

Thank you kindly. :)

[minter]

hear hear,.....well lets see some pics first

[gary ford]

Prices on these models will be no more than Retail £25.99 to be confirmed early next week

[p-51d]

People are excited by these releases because unlike Messers Corgi HM will keep the collector informed ,will show pre-pro's , act on comments and charge less. It's nice to be excited about a forthcoming release. :)

[Dambusters]

Will it be up to Hobbymaster's usual quality and have a load of black lines all over it? YUK!! YUK!! YUK!!

[p-51d]

Will it be up to Hobbymaster's usual quality and have a load of black lines all over it? YUK!! YUK!! YUK!!

Or we can wait for Corgi's which will have grand canyon joint lines on it YUK! YUK !YUK!.:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Will it be up to Hobbymaster's usual quality and have a load of black lines all over it? YUK!! YUK!! YUK!!


Have to diagree with you on this as HobbyMaster are a breath of fresh air in the industry - true the 'panel lines' could be toned down a little, but overall they make some fine pieces of realistically priced diecast :cool:.

Their 1/48 Spitfires are going to change the face of the industry for both looks and quality, not to mention pricing ... :)

[planenuts]

Or we can wait for Corgi's which will have grand canyon joint lines on it YUK! YUK !YUK!.:rolleyes:

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[Dambusters]

Or we can wait for Corgi's which will have grand canyon joint lines on it YUK! YUK !YUK!.:rolleyes:

Oh they are gonna do it black, soooooooooo you will not be able to seeeeeeee the black lines!! SMART!

and NO I do not like it!

[Red Leader]

What we need next from Luftwaffe are the Dornier17 and Hornise 410!!

[CFBC]

Have to diagree with you on this as HobbyMaster are a breath of fresh air in the industry - true the 'panel lines' could be toned down a little, but overall they make some fine pieces of realistically priced diecast :cool:.

Their 1/48 Spitfires are going to change the face of the industry for both looks and quality, not to mention pricing ... :)

Totally agree Mr C, although the quality is not the same as Corgi, theirprices are not either so you have to find the balance..... Some I like, some I do not, but on the whole, then HM range has grown very quickly in a very very short space of time and don't forget they are certainly still in their infantcy compared to Corgi.....

Dambusters, best thing my friend is keep an open mind and hope you have not been brainwashed at that "open day" you visited. :D

It's good we have competition within the industry, a shame that more than one manufacturer is producing the 110, but you at least you will have a choice. :)

[Nimrod48]

What we need next from Luftwaffe are the Dornier17 and Hornise 410!!

Seconded Red Leader my prefered manufacturer would be HM.

[P51D]

It's good we have competition within the industry, a shame that more than one manufacturer is producing the 110, but you at least you will have a choice. :)

Should be an interesting comparison.

Sounds as if the Corgi MRRP's will be a bit lower by the time this one is released (£29.99?) and HM MRRP's might be a bit higher (£24.99?)

At these prices HM will be in direct competition with Corgi. For me the deciding factor (besides schemes) will be how HM deal with their panel line wash (and not the £5 price difference)

[leeG]

I'm looking forward to the coming crop of Bf-110s. I think it's good that Corgi is doing the C model and Hobby Master is doing the G.

I have a three reference book on the Bf-110.
1. The Messerschmitt Bf 110 in Color Profile 1939-1945.
2. Osprey Aircraft of the Aces 20 - German Night Fighters Aces of World War 2.
3. Osprey Aircraft of the Aces 25 - Messerschmitt Bf 110 Zerstorer Aces of World War 2.

Reference 1 has some nice profiles and detail of the the different models of 110s produced, although no profiles are of any of the specific aircraft in these coming releases.

The HM Bf-110G-4 'G9+WD' of III/NJG 1 is shown in reference 2 color plate 12 page 36 and there is a 1/96 scale line drawing of the G-4 on page 89.

The Corgi Bf-110C 'M8+NP' of 6./ZG 76 is featured on the cover of reference 3 and in color plate 26 on page 58. There is a 1/96 scale line drawing profile of a C-4 on page 98.

Non of these references has a profile drawing of the HM Bf-110G-2/R3 '2N+EM' of II/ZG 76. Reference 3 does have a 1/96 scale line drawing profile of both port and starboard sides of a G-2/R3 on page 99.

Here are some differences between Bf 110 C and G models to look for:

Engine cowling and exhaust layout.

Prop spinner (C had flat front, G's is rounded)

Rear canopy (C pivoted upwards, G has sideways opening for the gunner)

Rear machine gun (C has MG 15, G has MG 81 Z twin machine guns)

G2's rudder has larger Flettner tab than C

G4 and G2/R3 rudder's has an even larger Flettner tab and revised shape.


Just looking at the profile shown on the Hobby Master Collector page, the Bf 110G-4 looks good, but the Bf 110G-2/R3 may have the wrong rear canopy. :unsure:

[shuttle]

LeeG,

Thanks for the info. If there is a canopy difference I would have more confidence in HM fixing it then Corgi due to the fact that our dear chum Hawkonevoodoo (plus others?) can feed back issues to them directly. I seem to remember that the Stuka canopy was fixed in a similar way.

:) Shuttle

[p-51d]

I see these two are available to preorder on the web for £21.95 +P&P , a fair price IMPO.

[planejunky]

What we need next from Luftwaffe are the Dornier17 and Hornise 410!!

Hell they haven't even released the 110's yet and they already want something else! :rolleyes: :)

[Grim Reaper]

Hell they haven't even released the 110's yet and they already want something else! :rolleyes: :)

Yeah we`re never satisfied:D ;) :D

[CFBC]

Please be aware that these pictures have kindly been provided direct from Hobbymaster and are pre-production photographs. All items are subject to change on production versions. :)

HA1801 - Bf-110G-2/R3, 2N+EM, II/ZG 76 (2nd Group, 76 Zerstörergeschwader - Heavy Fighter wing) Defense of the Reich

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-6.jpg

HA1802 - Bf-110G-4, G9+WD, Oberleutnant Martin Drewes, Gruppenkommandeur III/NJG 1, Laon-Athies, March 1944

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Pre-pro/HA1802-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Pre-pro/HA1802-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Pre-pro/HA1802-3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Pre-pro/HA1802-4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Pre-pro/HA1802-5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Pre-pro/HA1802-6.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Pre-pro/HA1802-7.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Pre-pro/HA1802-8.jpg

[simonclarke1034]

Thanks CFBC for your pics. I like them. IM no BF-110 expert but the NF one does look good!

[shuttle]

My only advice to HM would be to look at how well Corgi produce RADAR arrays using photo etch parts. The HM Me-110 arrays look very over-scale IMHO.

:eek: Shuttle

[Agent X20]

Glad thats a pre-pro ....:( .. wee bit of dihedral needed.... and one or two other bits...

[simonclarke1034]

Agree about the radar array! Think thats probaby an area they have to work on. :)

[Cardinal]

My only advice to HM would be to look at how well Corgi produce RADAR arrays using photo etch parts. The HM Me-110 arrays look very over-scale IMHO.

:eek: Shuttle


Definitely agree Shuttle - the oversized array was the first thing I noticed and thought it was an IXO :eek: :D.

[p-51d]

I like the day fighter, looks good, agree with comments about radar and dihedral on nightfighter but these are only pre-pro's and i'm sure they'll take note and make 'em smaller, now for Corgi's pre-pro Bf110...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[ZS-VAN]

At long last, some pics! They do look given the afore mentioned comments. I'd like to see the radar array more to scale. That night fighter should be stunning.

[hworth18]

Wow..
Just NOT impressed......:o

Very Toy-like and ****-poor paint jobs.. I sure hope the production versions don't look like this, or they'll be due a new paintjob..:(

[Agent X20]

Wow.... thank god the green was the right shade....:D :D .. Actually agree with Harry....:eek: The 110 was a very fine aeroplane, very sleek and slender.. there are one or two leetle niggles with those pre-pros ....dihedral.. canopy framing... propellor tips... spinners.. and the aerials...

It sorta needs bringing up to Corgi Swordfish standards....

... good start though..:rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

Wow..
Just NOT impressed......:o

Very Toy-like and ****-poor paint jobs.. I sure hope the production versions don't look like this, or they'll be due a new paintjob..:(


C'mon Harry, don't hold back - tell us how you REALLY feel about this HM Me110 pre-pro :D :LOL:.

[hworth18]

C'mon Harry, don't hold back - tell us how you REALLY feel about this HM Me110 pre-pro :D :LOL:.

On the plus side, they did put the exhaust shrouds on the nightfighter..
I am just very disappointed that MH can't do a better job on the mottling and the points Agent made are just too many to ignore..:(

[Cardinal]

On the plus side, they did put the exhaust shrouds on the nightfighter..
I am just very disappointed that MH can't do a better job on the mottling and the points Agent made are just too many to ignore..:(


Agreed HW.

At the risk of taking flak, I must admit that lately I'm becoming increasingly unsure about HM models (aircraft and tanks) even though I'm still supportive of them and hope that the 1/32 Dauntless will be a defining moment for this company that is most likely still finding its feet ... perhaps they're moving too far too fast? :unsure:.

[Agent X20]

Its almost 50% want them as toys.. well at least to have the ability to get airborne off the kitchen worksurface (see Gemini thread as to the fragility..) and the other want them as fine accurate models.. Its a fine line these Manus tread.. ( make em too fragile none would survive the journey....)

[Angels one-five]

Good to see the Bf110 at last but not really inspired by either of these schemes. I realise that they are prepros, but the overall 'look' has not left me in awe! I suppose they give an idea of the finished product, but they are a bit like some of the dodgy prepros from other companies - a bit of a taster, but not enough to inspire a pre-order.

[Lofty]

Wow..
Just NOT impressed......:o

Very Toy-like and ****-poor paint jobs.. I sure hope the production versions don't look like this, or they'll be due a new paintjob..:(

Are you not well Harry? You have praised some pretty dodgy models in the past......:confused: :confused:
Or are they REALLY that baad....?????:wacko:

[col]

Hmm. Camo finish on the basis of these pre pros very uninspiring. Nightfighter almost an exact copy (in effort) to the IXO 219. That radar array looks well naff and poor cv the IXO. Still, early days, I hope. At least HM listen to concerns so I will maintain my pre-order, for the moment:unsure:

[shuttle]

Yep, it is a pre-pro and I have been happy with the HM's I have bought so far. In fact, the FAA Avenger and 'Argie' A-4 have been some of my favourite models this year. I am confident HM will deliver.

:) Shuttle

[DCRanger]

Not just the radar antenna that looks a bit numpty, the radio antenna and the rocket tubes (if that's what they are supposed to be) need to be much finer. Somehow the overall look isn't there. OK, it may only be a pre pro but it needs a lot of work.:(

[hworth18]

Are you not well Harry? You have praised some pretty dodgy models in the past......:confused: :confused:
Or are they REALLY that baad....?????:wacko:

"Dodgy" is only an opinion, nothing more and honestly, some folks here thrive on hating Corgi (I am just a little more forgiving).. What I may like, others may not and vice-versa.. This is the true fact in this hobby, but I have high expectations from HM and in my "opinion" they aren't delivering on this piece... I also understand that these are "pre-pros" and subject to revision, but even HMs worst "pre-pros" have never been this bad..

pros:
-Its a 110G..

Cons:
-little/no dihedral
-oversized radar antenna
-trench panel lines
-overly thick painted canopy rails
-questionable prop blades/should be thicker and more paddle-like, these look more like an early versions prop blades.
-paint/mottling should be more "blended" in the dayfighter and not so pronounced on the nightfighter
-oversized aerial antenna on the canopy
-And finally, something just doesn't look right in the canopy area.. Either its the paint throwing off the canopy height or the canopy should be a bit taller (I suspect it is just the paint).

Again, this is just my opinion and nothing more..

[The Defiant Man]

Decidedly unimpressed......the look "lumpy" and just not right.....Agent mentioned the spinners....don't know why, but they were the first things that I picked up on.....and the canopy does look rather low.....

[DCRanger]

"Dodgy" is only an opinion, nothing more and honestly, some folks here thrive on hating Corgi

Again, this is just my opinion and nothing more..

Whilst I agree with your criticism it did raise a smile. I suspect that I'm one of those peeps who you would classify as "hating Corgi". Just for the record I don't hate Corgi, they are still the mainstay of my collection but one or two of them deserve every word of criticism received.

This offering from HM based on the pre pro pics ranks up there with Corgi's MKIX Spit IMPO. :)

[hawkonevoodoo]

Glad to see the comments and the best part is there are recommendations with them, not just complaints. Please keep them coming.

[Agent X20]

On a photographic point.....

Hawk.. could you please ask them to push the wheels fully home on the u/c axles... lose the shirt button effect...:D

The other fact that wont do them any favours is if they show the tailplanes are outta whack ( as in not square) with the fuselage which apperas to be so on the nightfighter.... (a little)

.........laughable thing is that five years ago you would all be going oooh.. aaah.... the quality has certainly been upped... wonder what the pooch will do with theirs...??. my bet the comments will centre arond a few joint lines...:D

[FROGGY]

They look more ixo/altaya than HM, i hope better model for the definitive Me110.

[planejunky]

Not terrible, tho they could be better with the points raised here. I'll just add one more point, NO MORE BLACK PANEL LINES PLEASE!!!!

I recently looked at buying one of the Harvards, and ended up putting it back as I decided that just couldn't live with the black lines, that equals one sale lost! I will now just buy a kit and make my own as I have those skills available to me.

[minter]

I am just very disappointed that MH can't do a better job on the mottling (

arnt corgi a bit suspect too when it comes to suttle paint jobs? , but agree with some comments canopy looks a bit too low

[Pauck]

Maybe a silly question, but it is correct that a G-4 has 21 cm rocket launcher? I read that only the G-2 version has this launcher.
To your discussion about the radar aerial: find some nice picture.
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Bilderseiten/Me110-R.htm#G2

[p-51d]

I've been comparing the models with real shots and for improving them i suggest:
Wider paddles on props
Thinner lines on canopies
Black painted centre radar assembly, along with narrower main pylons
checking theatre band on day fighter, i think it should be white??
smaller aerials especially on canopies
Rudders don't look entirely correct.

Do models come with crew??, if not a no sale i'm afraid, let's hope HM keep showing pre-pro's as we do appreciate it.

[Agent X20]

Rudders don't look entirely correct. They do look a little tall..:D

[hworth18]

arnt corgi a bit suspect too when it comes to suttle paint jobs?

Corgi has done a better job than most when it comes to "blending" or subtle schemes..

[leeG]

Looking good for a pre-pro. My only real complaint is the rear gunner canopy is the early upward pivoting version. The G had a revised greenhouse. I know hawk is aware of this and I'm hopeful it will be corrected on the final production versions.

The rudders are correct according to my references.

[P51D]

Corgi has done a better job than most when it comes to "blending" or subtle schemes..

Do you think so hworth? Which examples were you thinking of?

I think HM can be pretty good at subtle schemes if they want to
http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/files/HA0113-32.jpg

IMHO though some of the Dragons (especially the FW190's) are out in front when it comes to subtle schemes.

Hope production versions of these 110's look much better than this or I won't be buying them (what was the MRRP on these again, £24.99?)

[shuttle]

P51D,

The He-111 and V1 - top notch finish!!

:) Shuttle

[Red 2]

As Lord X20 said, a few years ago we would have killed for this but I wonder if there is an element of us being spoiled by having 2 forthcoming 110 models?:unsure:

Three things that struck me as just not quite there...

1) the radar aerials are just too thick
2) something just not quite right about the rudders
3) seems to sit too tall....perhaps X20 is right (silly even to doubt him really!:rolleyes: ) and the legs just need pushing a little further into their sockets.

Having said all that, if there wasn't a Corgi coming (allegedly) I would snap up all the HM versions. Problem for HM is that a few people will wait to see what Corgi do. Personally, if the actual models are like the pre-pro piccies, I can see me happily adding a HM but probably no more than that pending the canine offering.

[shuttle]

The thing is that HM are following the route they took with their Stuka - it is a latter mark and supplements the earlier Corgi version. The Corgi Messerschmitt Bf110C is a 'BoB' machine whilst the HM is a Bf-110G-4/U1 with, I think, some changes?

:) Shuttle

[Red 2]

The thing is that HM are following the route they took with their Stuka - it is a latter mark and supplements the earlier Corgi version. The Corgi Messerschmitt Bf110C is a 'BoB' machine whilst the HM is a Bf-110G-4/U1 with, I think, some changes?

:) Shuttle

True, room for both with the true Lufty nutter. Suspect that the majority of collectors will however be happy with a pair of 110s frm whatever source. Such a pity that two companies are going head to head but c'est la vie!:rolleyes:

The HM pre-pro is certainly a fine start and full marks to HM for seeking feedback.

[shuttle]

Red2,

I would hope that two significant different marks would be beneficial for the collector. Also, I would imagine that the HM would be a lower RRP and will, hopefully, put pressure on Corgi to do the same...!

Naive, Moi!!

:D Shuttle

[Agent X20]

I think its working out quite sensibly...they aint going head to head, theres a good five liveries in each version be it the one with 109E props or 109G props.. That gives the real nutter 10 Me110's...

You can see the gameplay unfold....


HM .. good 110... some will go for it.. Verdict BUY
Pooch... good 110 but needs to be half the price... Verdict HOLD
HM.. in there with no2.... Verdict BUY....
Pooch good 110 ............launching versions 2,3,4,5,6,7,8........ Verdict CONFUSED
HM.. lets have another G model and we have taken note of whay folks have said. Verdict BUY
Pooch....Bean counters have said 'we need capital'... total dump.. Verdict BUY BUY BUY


am sure it cant work like this.... no one is that stupid....? shirley.....:D

[hworth18]

Do you think so hworth? Which examples were you thinking of?

Any of Corgis early Bf-109E's The Barkhorn 1/32 109G, and the Acroma Stuka to name just a few..


I think HM can be pretty good at subtle schemes if they want to
http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/files/HA0113-32.jpg

Exactly, so why didn't they do this on these??


IMHO though some of the Dragons (especially the FW190's) are out in front when it comes to subtle schemes.

Sorry, Dragons Fw-190A schemes don't blend at all on the fuselages, they have hard-edged camo lines, not very realistic but I do like Dragons Fw-190 except for that..

[condor]

Sadly I think the comments on HM's Bf110's are spot on. I've been looking forward to this release for ages, so its a shame the pre-pro comes with so many errors. Hopefully these will be rectified before release, otherwise they won't sell whatever the price. Memories of Dragons Me262 nightfighter come to mind:( Come on HM, you are better than this;)





Condor

[hworth18]

Here is a link to the Me110-G at RAF Hendon.. Some nice pics, but this plane has probably been restored/repainted..

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/001-100/walk024_Me110/walk024.htm

[hawkonevoodoo]

On a photographic point.....

Hawk.. could you please ask them to push the wheels fully home on the u/c axles... lose the shirt button effect...:D

The other fact that wont do them any favours is if they show the tailplanes are outta whack ( as in not square) with the fuselage which apperas to be so on the nightfighter.... (a little)

.........laughable thing is that five years ago you would all be going oooh.. aaah.... the quality has certainly been upped... wonder what the pooch will do with theirs...??. my bet the comments will centre arond a few joint lines...:D

Done AX20. Every post has been gathered here and at 4 other forums and I sent them to Hobby Master so they are fully aware of everyone's concerns. Thanks for the constructive input it is very helpful.

[hawkonevoodoo]

Sadly I think the comments on HM's Bf110's are spot on. I've been looking forward to this release for ages, so its a shame the pre-pro comes with so many errors. Hopefully these will be rectified before release, otherwise they won't sell whatever the price. Memories of Dragons Me262 nightfighter come to mind:( Come on HM, you are better than this;)
Condor

It seems that these pre-pros are doing exactly what I hoped they would do, get comments and hopefully constructive input and reasons for the comments so I can send them to Hobby Master. Thanks for everybody's help keep it up now and in the future.

[johnnyboy]

I have a shoe box filled with old wartime photos which I bought many years ago at a flea market in Norwich, Many of them show the radar aerials fitted to German night fighters( ME 110 JU 88's), But unfortunately I have no information as to which type were fitted to which model so I do not think they would help in anyone's research . I also I do not know if these are unpublished or copyrighted but have taken a chance and scanned a few to post on here
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/vlcsnap-168779.png
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/vlcsnap-165337.png
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/vlcsnap-21605.png
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/vlcsnap-21483.png
and one showing rockets being loaded
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/vlcsnap-23853.png

[shuttle]

Nice shots JB and they show how delicate the arrays were. Hawks posts are reassuring and I hope he can convince HM into producing a good model that really ups the ante!

:) Shuttle

[CFBC]

It seems that these pre-pros are doing exactly what I hoped they would do, get comments and hopefully constructive input and reasons for the comments so I can send them to Hobby Master. Thanks for everybody's help keep it up now and in the future.

Thank you Hawk for your dedicated work and feedback to HM. It is appreciated indeed. :)

[col]

Nice photos JB - you should get some professional help in identifying them / getting them to a wider audience. The 2nd Bf 110 with teeth and radar looks well:cool

[CFBC]

Have to echo Cols post.... Keep them coming JB... Think you ought to set-up your own thread mate. ;) :)

[Dutchie]

Thanks for the pictures JB, ....it's getting time for the Me-110:cool:

[johnnyboy]

Have to echo Cols post.... Keep them coming JB... Think you ought to set-up your own thread mate. ;) :)

Thanks guys, I will take you up on that CFBC will post more tomorrow it gives me something to do. I need to get out and do some diecast buying its OK buying on line but it cant beat having a good look round at your local MZ or your favourite shop and seeing all the new stuff in the skin or zinc so to speak:LOL: :LOL:

[CFBC]

Thank you to Hobby Master and also Tiger Hobbies for allow us to photograph the pre-production version. Please be aware that this is a pre-production version and is and may be subject to change.

HA1801 - Bf-110G-2/R3, 2N+EM, II/ZG 76(2nd Group, 76 Zerstörergeschwader - Heavy Fighter wing) Defense of the Reich.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-1-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-2-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-3-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-4-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-5-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-6-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-7.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-8.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-9.jpg

[Dutchie]

Beautiful CFBC, thanks a lot. It's a good looking model IMO:)

[eismeer]

Nice pics CFBC:cool:

These 110's are gonna be high on a lot of collectors priorities i think:)

[Nimrod48]

Thanks for the pics CFBC for myself the Bf110 is the most anticipated release of the year :) & from these shots it looks on the money :cool:

[chris1966m]

:cool pics CFBC, thanks :)

[P51D]

Nice pics CFBC!

Any idea on MRRP's yet? £24.99 was mentioned a while ago but I know these figures often change nearer the release dates.

[Angels one-five]

Great pics CFBC. That looks much nicer than the original pre-pro posted. One question for the Luftwaffe experts out there - what's the reason for the strange shaped nose on this variant? Is it a radar radome?

[CFBC]

Nice pics CFBC!

Any idea on MRRP's yet? £24.99 was mentioned a while ago but I know these figures often change nearer the release dates.

I believe around that sort of price talking to the importer earlier this week P51, but that is not gospel as yet.

If so, should be good.

HM need to address a couple of aspects I found when assembling the 110 which I am about to e-mail them details.

:)

[Red 2]

Great pics CFBC. That looks much nicer than the original pre-pro posted. One question for the Luftwaffe experts out there - what's the reason for the strange shaped nose on this variant? Is it a radar radome?

Wondered about the nose myself. MARTIN BULL....HELP!:D

[chris1966m]

Great pics CFBC. That looks much nicer than the original pre-pro posted. One question for the Luftwaffe experts out there - what's the reason for the strange shaped nose on this variant? Is it a radar radome?


the nose....replacing the 4 x 7.9mm (as previously standard) with a pair of Rheinmetall 108 30mm cannon...that was the R3 field modification...hence G-2/R3

....same as you'd find as standard on a bf109 K-4 or as a field conversion capability for the G-6

Stuka Man :)

[Agent X20]

.. see post 84 pickture #1

[chris1966m]

.. see post 84 pickture #1

G4 night fighter

[Angels one-five]

Thanks Chris & Agent - all is clear!:)

[Celtic]

Looks great! Looking forward to even more versions...

[ZS-VAN]

Great pics, thanks for posting CFBC. :cool For the experts out there, have the issues raised been adequately addressed? :unsure: I know that the nose is correct for this version.

[hworth18]

Great pics, thanks for posting CFBC. :cool For the experts out there, have the issues raised been adequately addressed? :unsure: I know that the nose is correct for this version.

After comparing the previously posted pics, I don't really see any difference other that the white ban on the spinner.. The colors look lighter on the new pics, but that could be the lighting also..

[p-51d]

Should the yellow theatre band on the day fighter be white ??

[chris1966m]

yellow band....is ok on this particular a/c...eastern front...reich defence

about the white band.....this would generally refer to the MTO campaign extending from western libya and tunisia to cental italy and onto greece

for example several bf109Es operating out of libya and other areas of north africa/sicily had rudders decorated in yellow or sand (same colour as fuselage)...and a white MTO band....several had yellow cowls with yellow spinners denoting a/c which had served elsewhere before then

with the bf109Fs and Gs the spinner was often painted white too, with a white MTO band...rudders often left in their standard fuselage colour

as we progress eastwards, towards greece, the bf109Fs and Gs had normally adopted a white tail ...along with the white spinner and white MTO band ....even red rudders were recorded

the white MTO band was originally 'invented' for aircraft of fascist Italy's Regia Aeronautica MTO units....when the luftwaffe's X fliegerkorps began arriving in Catania Sicily in December 1940, it also adopted the white band, hence most axis MTO a/c appearing with the white theatre bands in pics we see

-smile

[no4mkit]

Very nice - thanks for the pics CFBC! -cool-

Can see a whole shelf needed for HM BF-110's!!

[Lofty]

Very nice - thanks for the pics CFBC! -cool-

Can see a whole shelf needed for HM BF-110's!!

Can see me joining you......A fair price asked by a manufacturer who appears to care.......not top dollar for a pile of (dog?) poo.........
Actually to be fair, some of the Hound product is excellent.....just waaaay overpriced........-angry-

[The Defiant Man]

[CENTER]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1801%20Pre-pro/HA1801-1-1.jpg



Mr Spock had this pre-pro sitting on his stand at Harrogate. Don't ask me about the colours, etc because I'm no expert......but it looked very attractive and a neat, tight casting. Because of the price difference, Corgi's 110 is going to have to be top notch.....

[CFBC]

Mr Spock had this pre-pro sitting on his stand at Harrogate. Don't ask me about the colours, etc because I'm no expert......but it looked very attractive and a neat, tight casting. Because of the price difference, Corgi's 110 is going to have to be top notch.....

I am pleased it is being circulated for all to see as the photo's are good, but a camo like that needs to be seen in the flesh.

-smile

[DCRanger]

Mr Spock had this pre-pro sitting on his stand at Harrogate. Don't ask me about the colours, etc because I'm no expert......but it looked very attractive and a neat, tight casting. Because of the price difference, Corgi's 110 is going to have to be top notch.....

I saw it too and agree it looks nicer than photographs indicate. I'll have one providing the panel lines are not too heavy and preferably without any at all.

[col]

Previously somebody queried the fin and rudders but it seems to have gone quiet on that. The more I look at the photos the more oversize these seem and it seems the upper part of the rudder that is not quite right. Appreciate that these are later versions (with more powerful engines) but something still doesn't look right.

[leeG]

Previously somebody queried the fin and rudders but it seems to have gone quiet on that. The more I look at the photos the more oversize these seem and it seems the upper part of the rudder that is not quite right. Appreciate that these are later versions (with more powerful engines) but something still doesn't look right.


The rudder is correct according to my references, see post #35 in this thread.

[MiGAlley]

Though not strictly related to HM's release, I was amazed to see the Altaya desert tan 110 make almost 40 pounds on the Bay this weekend. Suggests that quite a few people out there are interested in a 110, which bodes well for both Corgi and HM!

[shuttle]

I think it will be a top seller - Luftwaffe, Battle of Britain, Night fighter, Russian front and North Africa. I rest my case.

-smile Shuttle

[minter]

corgi should have done one ages ago, then the price would have been cheaper,-biggrin- and the QC http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/hunch.gif

[CFBC]

corgi should have done one ages ago, then the price would have been cheaper,-biggrin- and the QC http://tcwozere.co.uk/smileys/hunch.gif

Cheapskate Mints! :tongue:

I just hope that HM get the camo and markings right... I know they are putting a lot of effort into it, so fingers crossed... Definately on my list!

[Agent X20]

If its £50 for a Blenheim then a 110 should be about £45.... lot for a Corgi Toy.. be the last big seller... Corgi should have done one ages ago simply as then they would have had 100% (well less IXO) of the market to themselves...

[minter]

If its £50 for a Blenheim then a 110 should be about £45.... lot for a Corgi Toy.. be the last big seller... Corgi should have done one ages ago simply as then they would have had 100% (well less IXO) of the market to themselves...

i agree jerry stuff sells

[david cotton]

i agree jerry stuff sells
Unless it's a 1/32 Hartmann 109G -sad-

[P51D]

The 110's look OK from the pics but I am expecting the Corgi ones to look better. If they do then the higher price might be justified IMHO

Corgi 110's will be £31.99 when released (at our model shop) so will be interested to see how much cheaper the HM ones are.

[johnnyboy]

The 110's look OK from the pics but I am expecting the Corgi ones to look better. If they do then the higher price might be justified IMHO

Corgi 110's will be £31.99 when released (at our model shop) so will be interested to see how much cheaper the HM ones are.

Mr J has H/M 110 at 21.95 so abut £10 give or take a few p

[Kubikali]

I have been here for a while now, but some of the code used is still a mystery...

Mr J?? -huh-

[P51D]

Mr J has H/M 110 at 21.95 so abut £10 give or take a few p


Thanks johnnyboy, for that money they sound quite realistically priced.

There was a time when if i liked a casting I would have probably bought every release -blush- Those days are long gone now so I will probably end up buying a couple of HM's and a couple of Corgi's (after i have seen them!)

[Red 2]

I have been here for a while now, but some of the code used is still a mystery...

Mr J?? -huh-

Our Promoters Page (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/Promoters.html) is filled with worthy retailers....-smile

[Red Leader]

If its £50 for a Blenheim then a 110 should be about £45.... lot for a Corgi Toy.. be the last big seller... Corgi should have done one ages ago simply as then they would have had 100% (well less IXO) of the market to themselves...

Totally agree Agent AND if likewise if they don't act quick they will also miss another REALLY OBVIOUS gap in the market.....THE dornier 17!!
iF THEY DON'T DO IT THEN hm OR SOMEONE ELSE WITH ANY OUNCE Of BUSINESS SAVY WILL VERY SOON! It's the last remaining Jerry Battle of Britain participant yet to be done in diecast.
Excuse sloppy tyoing. Caps lock all over the place!!

[johnnyboy]

It's the last remaining Jerry Battle of Britain participant yet to be done in diecast.


Who doe's a JU 86 then?-laugh- -laugh-

[Agent X20]

I bet old CFBC is retiring on the money he made selling the last two posters keyborads..

[CFBC]

I bet old CFBC is retiring on the money he made selling the last two posters keyborads..

-laugh- -laugh- -laugh- Dam right I am.... Have to pay for the diecast somehow!

[Agent X20]

I do sit here and have a laugh from time to time when some bod complains about the ackuracy of de models what haz jist bean prodjuiced...

[minter]

Totally agree Agent AND if likewise if they don't act quick they will also miss another REALLY OBVIOUS gap in the market.....THE dornier 17!!
iF THEY DON'T DO IT THEN hm OR SOMEONE ELSE WITH ANY OUNCE Of BUSINESS SAVY WILL VERY SOON! It's the last remaining Jerry Battle of Britain participant yet to be done in diecast.
Excuse sloppy tyoing. Caps lock all over the place!!

i'm all for a do 17 but liverys are not plentiful, i mean have you seen an orange one -biggrin-

[von hitchofen]

i'm all for a Do 17 but liverys are not plentiful, i mean have you seen an orange one

Corgi could do a diorama of one in its natural habitat, ie smashed up & full of holes in a Kent field

[prune]

I have been here for a while now, but some of the code used is still a mystery...

Mr J?? -huh-

Its a retailer called Jumblies Kubikali.

[p-51d]

Corgi could do a diorama of one in its natural habitat, ie smashed up & full of holes in a Kent field

Leave it out, the joint lines alone would be bad enough.-biggrin-

[Nimrod48]

PappyB has posted a good slide show of the first issue on MH2 ...a real mixed bag IMHO but will probably get it anyway -unsure-

[Hornchurch]

Who doe's a JU 86 then?


If yer gonna chuck that ol'-banger into the (B of B) equation, then ya've gotta have an He.59, Do.24 & an Fw.58 Weihe as well !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[parsig9]

i'm all for a do 17 but liverys are not plentiful, i mean have you seen an orange one -biggrin-

Darn it! I wanted a Drone Dornier to go with the Phantom.:D

[Martin Bull]

PappyB has posted a good slide show of the first issue on MH2 ...a real mixed bag IMHO but will probably get it anyway -unsure-

Opinions certainly seem rather divided over there.....:unsure:

[p-51d]

As i stated on the thread the frames on the rockets could be smaller, the flaps have bits on the wrong way around and it has no crew members but it still looks a nice first attempt.

[shuttle]

The third Me-110 has been announced by HM - Schnauffer's machine. I hope they get the RADAR aerials looking OK but I think Corgi could do a much better job....

:) Shuttle

[Nimrod48]

The third Me-110 has been announced by HM - Schnauffer's machine. I hope they get the RADAR aerials looking OK but I think Corgi could do a much better job....

:) Shuttle

They realy do need to be photo etched items to look convincing preferably to be fitted by the customer. :)

[shuttle]

I disagree - look at the great job Corgi have done on this one......

:D Shuttle

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Luftwaffe1.jpg

[Nimrod48]

I disagree - look at the great job Corgi have done on this one......

:D Shuttle

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Luftwaffe1.jpg

Yes a fine model which I still have to aquire... I was thinking of the HM 110 when talking of the antenna array IMHO they do look rather thick.:)

[shuttle]

Nimrod,

The point I am making is that Corgi can produce fine arrays that are fitted at the factory.

:) Shuttle

[japadvan]

When will the HM 110's be available?

Saw on Mr J's site last month "due in stock 31st December" yet it still shows "pre order"

Was I dreaming or what?


Regards,

Jap

[CFBC]

When will the HM 110's be available?

Saw on Mr J's site last month "due in stock 31st December" yet it still shows "pre order"

Was I dreaming or what?


Regards,

Jap

No.. Landed this week and due in next to the importer so I presume into the retailers at the end of the week.... :)

[Lofty]

No.. Landed this week and due in next to the impoter . :)

Ouch.....cut off in its prime.....;)

[japadvan]

Great. Thanks.

Jap

[Angels one-five]

I see that TFM is now showing the HM Me110 in stock. Photos at this link (http://www.flyingmule.com/products/HM-HA1801)

[hawker]

I can't help it...

Looked at the pictures of the HM me-110 on the FM-site.

Think the cockpit-window looks a bit....

toyish ?????

[sniperUK]

I'm no expert on Luftwaffe aircraft but the whole nose area just looks "wrong" to me:unsure:

[col]

No - not your classic streamlined Bf110 nose, but I guess this is just the result of wartime equipment additions. The nose isn't aesthetically pleasing but wouldn't say (without evidence) it was wrong. Hopefully, Corgi's early Bf110 will be a bit sleeker.

[Angels one-five]

I'm no expert on Luftwaffe aircraft but the whole nose area just looks "wrong" to me:unsure:

See post #100 for an explanation on this one.

[kevjb64]

Think the cockpit-window looks a bit....

toyish ?????

Obviously will have to wait to see one but the canopy looks a bit ' heavy ' with the frame struts being very wide ??

[prune]

What disappointed me when I saw the model at the NEC toyfair was the mottle effect,subtle it is not.
Hobbymaster showed they can do a really nice mottle on their winter Stuka, best I've seen on a diecast.
I'll still buy one though.

[Edward Papazian]

What disappointed me when I saw the model at the NEC toyfair was the mottle effect,subtle it is not.
Hobbymaster showed they can do a really nice mottle on their winter Stuka, best I've seen on a diecast.
I'll still buy one though.

Aside from their other defects---thick canopy frames, klunky antennae, etc---the crude mottling on HM's early BF-110s is a big turn-off for me. There's no excuse for not cutting the masks to get a more random look and making sure they sit high enough off the surface to ensure a sprayed effect. I guess I'll have to modify my models rather extensively when they finally arrive.

[uksubs]

I see that TFM is now showing the HM Me110 in stock. Photos at this link (http://www.flyingmule.com/products/HM-HA1801)

Looks like it was made by IXO :wacko::(

[p-51d]

Looks fine to me,nose was bulged to fit heavier guns ,joint lines once again shame Corgi.

[CFBC]

I am going to reserve judgement until I see one in the flesh, but looks "ok" in the photographs and no "inked" panel lines too! :)

[kevjb64]

Looks like it was made by IXO :wacko::(

Once again not having seen it yet do not want to go to OTT but at the mo does not look as good as the IXO one , which was one of their best efforts IMPO .

[The Defiant Man]

I saw it at Harrogate and thought it looked OK.....but then again, I'm no expert....:o

[uksubs]

I am going to reserve judgement until I see one in the flesh, but looks "ok" in the photographs and no "inked" panel lines too! :)

I won't be able to see it in the flesh as there no model shop in my area :(
So going by that photo i won't be buying one

[theodore]

Hello fellow diecast enthusiasts!!

My diecast 'dealer' over here in Orlando, Florida, USA, has my HobbyMaster Bf 110 G-2/R3 safely tucked away for me at his store so I will be procuring said aircraft this upcoming Sunday and I will give everyone my opinion of what I think of the quality and accuracy!! :)

[CFBC]

I won't be able to see it in the flesh as there no model shop in my area :(
So going by that photo i won't be buying one

Subs, as soon as they arrive in the UK I will acquire and get some pictures posted. :)

[CFBC]

Hello fellow diecast enthusiasts!!

My diecast 'dealer' over here in Orlando, Florida, USA, has my HobbyMaster Bf 110 G-2/R3 safely tucked away for me at his store so I will be procuring said aircraft this upcoming Sunday and I will give everyone my opinion of what I think of the quality and accuracy!! :)

Theo, nice one.. Will be interested in your comments and thoughts. :)

[Cruver Collecter]

Mine made it in last week and here is what it looks like.

[P51D]

Mine made it in last week and here is what it looks like.


Thanks for pic Cruver, model looks quite promising! Seems they have left the wash off, looks much better! Still want to see it in the metal but will probably get that one :)

[uksubs]

Subs, as soon as they arrive in the UK I will acquire and get some pictures posted. :)

Thx for that m8 :)

[Angels one-five]

Mine made it in last week and here is what it looks like.

What's your opinion of it CC?

[Cruver Collecter]

What's your opinion of it CC?

To be honest after some of the negative remarks I have seen on the Bf 110 on the MH site I was just a little apprehensive. When I opened the box,, hmmn color looks a little more subdued than in the pictures, which is a good thing. For some reason pictures I have seen so far , looked possibly like color might have been off a bit, but up and personal it looks ok ( Might be lighting or flash, my shots look same as I have seen posted). The mottling could have been done better, but for some reason at a little over arms length it does not look to shabby (Could be a case of needing new glasses too.). The aileron balances were backwards, but Hawk said that production had already started, so have to see how next one comes out. I found that the rocket launchers go on better if you try to separate attachment points of them a little before attaching. I noticed they seem to be angled in a little too much, and that made them pop back out. The Bf 110 that I received did not have the gap in the wind screen like one I had seen posted earlier. Not necessarily the best model I have seen, but in all honesty, it does look pretty nice sitting up on the shelf.

[leeG]

I just got the shipping notification, so mine is on the way! I'm looking forward to this model and the upcoming G4.

[Kubikali]

The model in the picture has a plastic look to me. Canopy, wing attachments.
How's this irl??

[Angels one-five]

To be honest after some of the negative remarks I have seen on the Bf 110 on the MH site I was just a little apprehensive. When I opened the box,, hmmn color looks a little more subdued than in the pictures, which is a good thing. For some reason pictures I have seen so far , looked possibly like color might have been off a bit, but up and personal it looks ok ( Might be lighting or flash, my shots look same as I have seen posted). The mottling could have been done better, but for some reason at a little over arms length it does not look to shabby (Could be a case of needing new glasses too.). The aileron balances were backwards, but Hawk said that production had already started, so have to see how next one comes out. I found that the rocket launchers go on better if you try to separate attachment points of them a little before attaching. I noticed they seem to be angled in a little too much, and that made them pop back out. The Bf 110 that I received did not have the gap in the wind screen like one I had seen posted earlier. Not necessarily the best model I have seen, but in all honesty, it does look pretty nice sitting up on the shelf.

Thanks CC - sounds like more pros than cons overall. I might have to look out for this one.

[Cruver Collecter]

The model in the picture has a plastic look to me. Canopy, wing attachments.
How's this irl??

The underwing rocket launchers and drop tanks are most definitely plastic.
Not so sure, but the horizontal stabilizer and the twin rudders may be plastic too. Main fuselage and main wing most definitely (tink,tink) metal. Just made another observation. The nose section of the fuselage may also be plastic, but that would make sence with next two versions coming out with radar on the nose.

[Cruver Collecter]

Here are some comparison shots between the HM and IXO Bf 110.

[david cotton]

Here are some comparison shots between the HM and IXO Bf 110.

Neither of them grab me :( The Me110 looks better in the flying pose, and you need a crew for that. I hope the Corgi effort looks better.

Would be nice if someone came up with a high quality (thats FM out then) 1/48 Me110. Its a spindily aircraft and needs a bit of size to show it at its best ......and allow a bit of cockpit detail :)

[CFBC]

Pictures of Hobby Masters latest release in the UK, HA1801 have now been posted and can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=7614) in the manufacturers section.

[kevjb64]

The detail on wheels / rocket tubes etc . looks a little better in these pictures than others I have seen . Have it on order as want to have a long look at this one before I decide how many schemes I may eventually purchase .:)

[CFBC]

The detail on wheels / rocket tubes etc . looks a little better in these pictures than others I have seen . Have it on order as want to have a long look at this one before I decide how many schemes I may eventually purchase .:)

Have to say that the production version is a lot better than the pre-production sample I initially had play with before.

The u/c still take a little assembly and time to get right and the rocket tubes could be better in my opinion, but I think overall it is a good release. HM have certainly toned down the panelines that really helps.

Also have to say that this is a lot better than the IXO release!

:)

[Lofty]

Also have to say that this is a lot better than the IXO release!

:)

In all fairness that wouldn't take much though.......:LOL:

[col]

The mottling is a lot better in the metal than it has appeared on photos.

[Scottuk]

It definitely looks better "in the flesh" than it does in the pictures. Cheers CFBC:D

[CFBC]

It definitely looks better "in the flesh" than it does in the pictures. Cheers CFBC:D

Oh yes, forgot you saw it in the flesh! That's two coffee's and a good ol'chin wag you owe me! :D

[david cotton]

Does not look like it has a crew or a stand. I would of liked one to display with a B17.

I have looked at the photo's on the Forum and at the moment I do not feel the need to buy this one :(

I am surprised that HM have not done a crew, as the have a pilot in the 1/48 Spitfire and in the new 1/32 Dautless. :unsure:

[Graham]

Iv'e had the IXO as a stop gap for some time now, I think I'll wait for Corgi's BoB 110 and their future versions.

[kevjb64]

Does not look like it has a crew or a stand. I would of liked one to display with a B17.

I have looked at the photo's on the Forum and at the moment I do not feel the need to buy this one :(

I am surprised that HM have not done a crew, as the have a pilot in the 1/48 Spitfire and in the new 1/32 Dautless. :unsure:

Too be fair the pilot in the Spit is so sodding small would probably fit in the 110 anyway !! :rolleyes: :D

[CFBC]

Too be fair the pilot in the Spit is so sodding small would probably fit in the 110 anyway !! :rolleyes: :D

Hmm, good thinking. Wonder what the RAF pilot would think of that though! :D

[KO-B]

Too be fair the pilot in the Spit is so sodding small would probably fit in the 110 anyway !! :rolleyes: :D

Still taller than Witty's munchkins though...

(Last seen looking for a booster cushion for a 1/144th Lanc) ;)

[leeG]

Iv'e had the IXO as a stop gap for some time now, I think I'll wait for Corgi's BoB 110 and their future versions.

The IXO is a 110E-1 with the extended tail for holding the life raft.

HM makes the 110G2 and 110G4.

Corgi is doing the 110C.

So it looks like no overlap yet between the three manufacturers.

[boondogger]

I've just received mine today and in general I'm quite pleased with it, particularly since HM seem to have employed admirable restraint with regard to panel lines this time. Like the some other forumites I regret the absence of crew since I display wheels up in general (how much can it add to the cost of a model for god's sake?) I also wonder why we needed a removable canopy unless it was for popping the little chaps in and out. There's not really a great deal to admire inside at this scale.

[CFBC]

I also wonder why we needed a removable canopy unless it was for popping the little chaps in and out. There's not really a great deal to admire inside at this scale.

Yes, that was my thoughts too, so I am hoping at some stage HM intend to produce some pilots that suit! :)

[theodore]

I finally removed my Me-110 G-2 from the box and it is rather nice!! :) :D :cool The only drawback, besides the lack of detail in the cockpit, is the somewhat flimsy landing gear.:( I would have to rate this a '9' on a scale of 1 to 10.:D

[CFBC]

Please be aware that these pictures have been supplied directly from Hobbymaster and are taken of a pre-production sample and maybe subject to change on the final production version. Thank you


HA1803 - Bf-110G-4, G9+EF, Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer, IV./NJG 1, St. Trond, Belgium, October 1944

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1803%20Pre-pro/HA1803Pre-pro-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1803%20Pre-pro/HA1803Pre-pro-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1803%20Pre-pro/HA1803Pre-pro-4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1803%20Pre-pro/HA1803Pre-pro-3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1803%20Pre-pro/HA1803Pre-pro-5.jpg

[prune]

I know its only a pre-pro,but the radar ariels are so overscale it spoils it for me.

[dilligafocau]

Some production pics at themodelhangar

http://www.themodelhangar.com/forum/hobby-master-25/62529-ha1802-bf-110g-4-g-9-wd.html

Im going to wait for the Corgi versions :unsure:

[DCRanger]

Never been a fan of the 110 even when building Airfix kits. The antenna and rocket tubes really put me off.:(

[CFBC]

Some production pics at themodelhangar

http://www.themodelhangar.com/forum/hobby-master-25/62529-ha1802-bf-110g-4-g-9-wd.html

Im going to wait for the Corgi versions :unsure:

:confused: :confused: Erm, that's the second one Dill! Third release ain't out as yet! :)

[Merlin G.C.]

I know its only a pre-pro,but the radar ariels are so overscale it spoils it for me.

Yes me too. Really pity I think. Great subject ruined by those aeriels:(

Why couldn't have HM copied Corgi's efort on the Ju-88??:confused:

[kevjb64]

Some production pics at themodelhangar

http://www.themodelhangar.com/forum/hobby-master-25/62529-ha1802-bf-110g-4-g-9-wd.html

Im going to wait for the Corgi versions :unsure:

I am beginning to recognise the code on MHII , all HM is good but " not as bad as expected " , " better than the last one" , " lets give them the benefit of the doubt " , " the joint line is not as bad as it looks in the pics " etc . is usually a sign not to buy . :rolleyes:

[Cardinal]

I am beginning to recognise the code on MHII , all HM is good but " not as bad as expected " , " better than the last one" , " lets give them the benefit of the doubt " , " the joint line is not as bad as it looks in the pics " etc . is usually a sign not to buy . :rolleyes:


Many a true word spoken with the hint of not so subtle sarcasm ... ;) :D :LOL:

[dilligafocau]

:confused: :confused: Erm, that's the second one Dill! Third release ain't out as yet! :)

Doh!, my next optometrists' appointment must be overdue :)

[Cruver Collecter]

I have the first Bf 110 and the second should be coming to house sometime next week. I do like the pre production pictures for the third one in the series. The model has the Schräge Musik armament setup and the aileron balances are correct too. If you noticed, the first two models had the aileron balances on backwards. It seems that someone pointed this discrepancy out, and hmmnn looks like they listened because the pre production photos show that they are now on correct. Good indication that HM takes and implements inputs from their customer base.

[MiGAlley]

I agree that the antennae on this one look way oversize. They do look a bit better on the other 110 nightfighter in its production shape, though. I am very curious about Corgi's version, and will definately get a Mediterranean/North African one - lots of attractive schemes there. But theirs will be an early version, so it's unlikely that we'll see them do a nightfighter. As I'm a nightfighter fan, I may nevertheless get the HM 110, but the previous one. I like the mottle on that better, likewise the panel lines, and it'll look great next to Altaya's Uhu and Corgi's Lancaster. Honestly, we're not going to see many nightfighters, and although this has its flaws, it's a whole lot better than Ixo's 110, and than Dragon's 262 NF!

[Cruver Collecter]

I agree that the antennae on this one look way oversize. They do look a bit better on the other 110 nightfighter in its production shape, though. I am very curious about Corgi's version, and will definately get a Mediterranean/North African one - lots of attractive schemes there. But theirs will be an early version, so it's unlikely that we'll see them do a nightfighter. As I'm a nightfighter fan, I may nevertheless get the HM 110, but the previous one. I like the mottle on that better, likewise the panel lines, and it'll look great next to Altaya's Uhu and Corgi's Lancaster. Honestly, we're not going to see many nightfighters, and although this has its flaws, it's a whole lot better than Ixo's 110, and than Dragon's 262 NF!

Corgi Bf 110C does have some potential as far as variety goes. It also supports a few interesting night fighter versions.

[col]

Corgi Bf 110C does have some potential as far as variety goes. It also supports a few interesting night fighter versions.

Agree, these would look very attractive.

[MiGAlley]

Ah yes, I have that particular Osprey issue as well. Those are very nice, and they're nightfighters allright, but they're not really the iconic German mottled grey versions, are they? As I said, I'm very curious what Corgi will come up with, and space permitting I will buy several of theirs if they have the right schemes for my collection. But I still like the idea of one of those late-version 110s sitting with the Uhu, so I may still give HM the benefit of the doubt - if I like it when I see it in the metal.

Still hope Corgi somehow manage to do a nightfighter Ju 88, especially that of the "fighting prince", Prince Sayn-Wittgenstein. Now that would really be the icing on the nightfighting cake!

[Cruver Collecter]

Still hope Corgi somehow manage to do a nightfighter Ju 88, especially that of the "fighting prince", Prince Sayn-Wittgenstein. Now that would really be the icing on the nightfighting cake!

Now that would be one I would want to add to my collection. I also would like to have one of the Ju 88 day time fighter variants from the Eastern Front. I would really like to have one like the aircraft in this picture.

[Scottuk]

Finally got my 110 and put it together. Yes it is fiddly but a worthy effort from Hobbymaster. No matter what criticism has been levelled at them (washes, panel lines etc.) at least they deliver on their promises.:D

[Cruver Collecter]

My HM Bf 110 came in yesterday and it is a nice looking model. Looks pretty good sitting next to the first HM Bf 110.

[biffo]

Ah yes, I have that particular Osprey issue as well. Those are very nice, and they're nightfighters allright, but they're not really the iconic German mottled grey versions, are they? As I said, I'm very curious what Corgi will come up with, and space permitting I will buy several of theirs if they have the right schemes for my collection. But I still like the idea of one of those late-version 110s sitting with the Uhu, so I may still give HM the benefit of the doubt - if I like it when I see it in the metal.

Still hope Corgi somehow manage to do a nightfighter Ju 88, especially that of the "fighting prince", Prince Sayn-Wittgenstein. Now that would really be the icing on the nightfighting cake!OH YES! A N/FIGHTER JU 88, THE HENDON ONE WITH B.M.W's OH YES!:cool

[minter]

and the third one will be a green sharksmouth one..........:cool

[col]

Am I seeing things?

The first nightfighter Bf110 appears to have a vertical bar connecting the upper and lower antennaes on each side. The pre pros on Hawkone's site don't. For all I know this bar is correct but with my limited knowledge this doesn't seem right.:unsure:

[Cruver Collecter]

Am I seeing things?

The first nightfighter Bf110 appears to have a vertical bar connecting the upper and lower antennaes on each side. The pre pros on Hawkone's site don't. For all I know this bar is correct but with my limited knowledge this doesn't seem right.:unsure:

They must have missed the bar on the pre production model.

[Red 2]

I suspect the Corgi 110 is still some way from reaching the shops:( :( so I have bitten the bullet and despite some reservations re the profile of the latest HM 110, have ordered the forthcoming nightfighter.

This really is the acid test for me re HM. Get this wrong and I will be a tad upset as the 110 is one of those aircraft that I hold dear to my heart....blame Airfix and the famous Roy Cross 110/Spit Dogfighting Duo artwork!

[shuttle]

My only reservation is the the Radar array with this model. I don't believe it is as good as the Corgi efforts which, for example, on the recent Ju-88 look much more realistic. Corgi seem to use 'etched brass' as opposed to plastic and can get much better results. Any agree?

:) Shuttle

[Red 2]

Would agree that it is essential to get the radar array right.

I'm not keen on the HM canopy or the engine profile (IMPO the top looks a tad like a Toblerone from certain angles) but beggars can't be choosers so I'll take a risk on the nightfighter.:)

[kevjb64]

My only reservation is the the Radar array with this model. I don't believe it is as good as the Corgi efforts which, for example, on the recent Ju-88 look much more realistic. Corgi seem to use 'etched brass' as opposed to plastic and can get much better results. Any agree?

:) Shuttle

Was chatting with Tim from D.I. and there version is due in the next 2-3 months , he confirmed that to get the correct scale ' etched brass ' is needed . Whilst expensive it does give the best results as has been seen with Corgi , obviously due to their pricing structure HM cannot use such quality raw materials . :)

[col]

They must have missed the bar on the pre production model.

Hi Cruver. This, of course, is a profile of the 2nd HM nightfighter and assume from the profile that the vertical bracing is correct. Is this one of the Osprey profiles?
The piccies I've seen are of the 1st nightfighter and as I said the pre pros on that show no vertical bracing bar, whereas the production model does. Presumably, to cut costs, HM would produce 2 nightfighters with the same aerial array so, therefore, assume it was an amendment during model design. Not saying it's inaccurate, but if anyone has any photos of this layout or can point me in the right direction I would like to see them.

[southyorkshireman]

picked up the non aerial version in York yesterday....

Overall a good model, but a couple of QC issues with undercarriage and rocket pods, one seems to follow the profile of the wing with the rockets facing backwards? And the undercarriage although sits nicely on the front two pegs, trying to get the rear one to stay in once the model's weight is sat on it is impossible, fortuntaly not noticeable though...

Think thats satisfied my need for a 110 though, won't be getting anymore!

[Cruver Collecter]

Hi Cruver. This, of course, is a profile of the 2nd HM nightfighter and assume from the profile that the vertical bracing is correct. Is this one of the Osprey profiles?
The piccies I've seen are of the 1st nightfighter and as I said the pre pros on that show no vertical bracing bar, whereas the production model does. Presumably, to cut costs, HM would produce 2 nightfighters with the same aerial array so, therefore, assume it was an amendment during model design. Not saying it's inaccurate, but if anyone has any photos of this layout or can point me in the right direction I would like to see them.

You are correct, profile picture came from Osprey Night Fighter issue. I also came across a photo of a captured Bf 110 with similar brace on radar in the Aero Details issue on the Bf 110. I do believe the next Bf 110 night fighter coming out will have the unbraced radar setup.

[hawkonevoodoo]

They must have missed the bar on the pre production model.

The pre-production pictures on my site and elsewhere are just that, pre-production. There are 4 or 5 phases to the production process and usually these pictures are taken at phase 2 or 3 so there could be some parts that just haven't been made yet or are missing or incorrect. This usually is where we as collectors point these items out and Hobby Master is advised. The majority of the time it is just that the missing part was meant to be added in the next phase. This is why CFBC and myself always say that these pictures are pre-production and should only be used to give you some idea of what the final product will look like.

[Edward Papazian]

After seeing the pre-pro pictures of HM's second BF-110G, plus some pictures of delivered models, I had major reservations about this one. However, mine just arrived and it's much better than I anticipated. The mottling is vastly improved, there is no canopy gap, the panel lines aren't inked and the radar antenna seem to have been trimmed down a bit. Here's how it looks:

[DCRanger]

It does look better, I might gt one after all.

[Agent X20]

That does look nice Mr Eddie...

[kevjb64]

Nice strategic photo there , aerial will look better from above as widest bits are side on !!

[Lofty]

Those radar antennae look to be about a scale of 6" thick.........:(
The Hounds etched efforts are way superior......HM going to the Dogs?????:(








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[P51D]

Those radar antennae look to be about a scale of 6" thick.........:(
The Hounds etched efforts are way superior......HM going to the Dogs?????:(








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Have to agree!

Improvement over the pre-pro but antennae still look way off scale which puts me off buying it!

[Edward Papazian]

Nice strategic photo there , aerial will look better from above as widest bits are side on !!
As you may have noticed, in various posts I have made, I was rather critical of HM's initial BF-110Gs, with particular emphasis on what I considered to be their unrealistic mottling. Other aspects, such as the overly thick radar antennas and canopy gaps or excessively thick frames were also an issue. My picture was angled primarily to show the significant improvement in the camouflage, not to present the radar in the best possible light.

Being a perfectionist is a fine thing and I am certainly as guilty as others on this score. Still, I enjoy collecting and, in many cases, modifying diecast warbirds, AFVs, etc. If I rejected every model with some flaw out of hand and shunned all of the offending manufacturer's products, my collection would be a tiny one indeed.

[P51D]

If I rejected every model with some flaw out of hand and shunned all of the offending manufacturer's products, my collection would be a tiny one indeed.

Totally agree but looking at my collection (and the ceiling joists) I don't think I have been looking anywhere near hard enough for the flaws! :LOL:

Really just comes down to personal taste and which flaws are acceptable to you. :)

[kevjb64]

As you may have noticed, in various posts I have made, I was rather critical of HM's initial BF-110Gs, with particular emphasis on what I considered to be their unrealistic mottling. Other aspects, such as the overly thick radar antennas and canopy gaps or excessively thick frames were also an issue. My picture was angled primarily to show the significant improvement in the camouflage, not to present the radar in the best possible light.

Being a perfectionist is a fine thing and I am certainly as guilty as others on this score. Still, I enjoy collecting and, in many cases, modifying diecast warbirds, AFVs, etc. If I rejected every model with some flaw out of hand and shunned all of the offending manufacturer's products, my collection would be a tiny one indeed.

Perhaps they unilaterally decided to trim the antenna down then as that would have to be the case , doubt they would have had chance to react to people's thoughts with these two being delivered so closely together . I will have them next week so will be able to tell .:)

[Cruver Collecter]

Those radar antennae look to be about a scale of 6" thick.........:(
The Hounds etched efforts are way superior......HM going to the Dogs?????:(

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Radar antenna are right under 1/32nd of an inch wide, which puts them in just under 2 1/2 inches on the the real thing. 6 inches would probably would closer to just over a 1/16th of an inch wide in 1/72nd scale.

[Lofty]

Radar antenna are right under 1/32nd of an inch wide, which puts them in just under 2 1/2 inches on the the real thing. 6 inches would probably would closer to just over a 1/16th of an inch wide in 1/72nd scale.

I stand corrected.......:D
Still reckon they look like the thing would topple on to its nose.......
Its a downer as I am dying to add a 110 to the collection.......:(

[col]

Did we really think we would get scale perfect antenna? Within commercial restraints they look acceptable. The final mottling looks to have been enhanced in appearance and that sells the model for me. On the other hand, even IXO managed a bit of etched brass on their He219.

Out of interest :o how are the antenna fixed to the nose? Individually, or as a pair? I have an unmade Revell Bf110 nightfighter in the attic, you see, and I wonder how easy it would be for a bit of cannibalising to occur.

[P51D]

Did we really think we would get scale perfect antenna?


Maybe not, but I'm still with Lofty on this one...........and don't even get him started on the IXO He219 :LOL: :LOL:

[shuttle]

Corgi, to their credit, have always produced very nice photo etched arrays which have made a big difference to their models.

:D Shuttle

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Luftwaffe1.jpg

[Edward Papazian]

Did we really think we would get scale perfect antenna? Within commercial restraints they look acceptable. The final mottling looks to have been enhanced in appearance and that sells the model for me. On the other hand, even IXO managed a bit of etched brass on their He219.

Out of interest :o how are the antenna fixed to the nose? Individually, or as a pair? I have an unmade Revell Bf110 nightfighter in the attic, you see, and I wonder how easy it would be for a bit of cannibalising to occur.

Perhaps Hawk could answer your question better than I, however, without taking the antenna and nose apart for a definitive view, it seems that they are two separate pieces. When I jiggle one side, there is no movement on the other. The attachment is quite sturdy.

[Lofty]

Corgi, to their credit, have always produced very nice photo etched arrays which have made a big difference to their models.

:D Shuttle

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Luftwaffe1.jpg

And there I rest my case......;)

[Cruver Collecter]

I did some measurement comparisons between my Corgi Catalina photo etch radar antennas and that of the Hobby Master Bf 110 plastic antennas and found that they were pretty close as far as width goes. As stated earlier the Hobby Master measures right at 1/32nd of an inch where Corgi antenna is pretty close to the same. Corgi one may be slimmer by about 2/100th of an inch and that is about it. Based on measurements, they are both reasonably close to each other in with regards to width of the antennas. Between 1/100th & 2/100ths on an inch is really not that much of a difference. Side depth of the Corgi antenna is much thinner, but kind of think this puts it slightly out of proportion with regards to scale, would think dipole antenna would have same depth verses width.

[Sailor.]

I did some measurement comparisons between my Corgi Catalina photo etch radar antennas and that of the Hobby Master Bf 110 plastic antennas and found that they were pretty close as far as width goes. As stated earlier the Hobby Master measures right at 1/32nd of an inch where Corgi antenna is pretty close to the same. Corgi one may be slimmer by about 2/100th of an inch and that is about it. Based on measurements, they are both reasonably close to each other in with regards to width of the antennas. Between 1/100th & 2/100ths on an inch is really not that much of a difference. Side depth of the Corgi antenna is much thinner, but kind of think this puts it slightly out of proportion with regards to scale, would think dipole antenna would have same depth verses width.

:eek: Where's mi' anorak, I'm off! :eek:

:) CC, you really should try and get out more old bean! :)

[johnnyboy]

I dont want to get into this size issue but the Cat has a Yaggi antenna and the 110 has a dipole:D

[Cruver Collecter]

I dont want to get into this size issue but the Cat has a Yaggi antenna and the 110 has a dipole:D

Yep the Catalina did have Yagi radar antenna, but the antenna style is still base on an array of dipole elements. Yagi radar dipole elements would be a rod shape and not flat. The Yagi antenna on the Corgi Catalina should also been a little be smaller width wise in size, but it is all I have to compare scale wise with those on the HM Bf 110. Point being that even though HM went with plastic for its radar antenna, it still is comparable. Photo etch is great if you were trying to depict a flat radar antenna, but has its limitations when trying to depict a rounded object.

[Cruver Collecter]

[CENTER CC, you really should try and get out more old bean! :) [/CENTER]

So true!:LOL: Its just that I have read so many posts that indicated that the Corgi photo etch antennas were significantly better than the plastic ones of the HM Bf 110. I thought it might be interesting to take a closer look to see if that was the case. After doing some measurements, well there just was not that big of a difference.

[kevjb64]

So true!:LOL: Its just that I have read so many posts that indicated that the Corgi photo etch antennas were significantly better than the plastic ones of the HM Bf 110. I thought it might be interesting to take a closer look to see if that was the case. After doing some measurements, well there just was not that big of a difference.

It is interesting as well that as far as I know Diverse Images who produce models that as far as I am concerned are more thoroughly researched than anyone else have opted for photo-etched on their version of the 110 . :) Of course that kinda research / quality comes with a price tag . :)

[johnnyboy]

I was going to stay out of this thread but… As this picture shows the antenna array on the Me110 was made up of 3 different size elements not that I would have expected Hobbymaster to have gone that far in getting it right. Even though its not right it wont stop me getting one and if it does start to bother me I can always use stretched spure to correct it.:)
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/ooooooooooooo.jpg

[Cruver Collecter]

Hobby Master did a fairly accurate job in portraying the radar on its latest Bf 110G. There is also room for several more versions of their Bf110 night fighter with just the variation in radar types and antennas that the Bf 110 was equiped with. Hope they do put out a couple more day fighters though. Some of the pictures below show some of the different radar antenna configurations the Bf 110 was equiped with.

[Cruver Collecter]

Couple more Bf 110 radar configuration images.

[spitfire]

Dont mention the H219 to me, QC issues dont even begin to cover it.

I have an HM110 on the way so I cannot comment yet as to the antennae.

At least HM makes them, Corgi has gone a bit quiet of late!

I also like Corgi stuff so I hope things are OK with the Pooch.
________
LLAMA (http://www.ford-wiki.com/wiki/Land_Rover_Llama)

[Red 2]

Dont mention the H219 to me, QC issues dont even begin to cover it.

I have an HM110 on the way so I cannot comment yet as to the antennae.

At least HM makes them, Corgi has gone a bit quiet of late!

I also like Corgi stuff so I hope things are OK with the Pooch.

To be honest, I suspect quite a few of us are buying a HM 110 as the Corgi one is yet to appear. HM are, for the price, exceptionally good value but I still feel that a Corgi model, at the top of their form, would not have the issues that the HM has. Alas we don't have a choice at the moment so HM 110 it is.

Looking forward to seeing the nightfighter in the flesh.....wonder what the nose profile is.:unsure:

[Sailor.]

"Corporal!"

"Sir!"

"Take Red2 out and shoot him."

Red2 is dragged from the Mess, presently there is a loud and very satisfying bang. Sailor takes a long draught from his pint.

"Can't have that kind of talk on this Squadron, and to think we nearly let that blighter run Bomber Command's Big Show!"

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:














Wonder if I'll bag one of those Hun nightfighters at next month's toy fair?

[charley]

Call me old fashioned but at under £20?????? :rolleyes:

[CFBC]

Call me old fashioned but at under £20?????? :rolleyes:

Exactly! Around that sort of pricing I think these are great value for money and will always say that about HM product and how much they cost.

I suppose they could up the price and offer a better product/finish etc/, but then you would find they would get into the same problems as Corgi with their RRP's, reduction in prices, special of the weeks. etc. Why? Not worth it, HM and their importer are looking to offer us a good price for a fair product.

Ok, it and they are going to have problems, inaccuracies and the odd hick-up, but we have to remember it is a mass produced product.

I take each one as it arrives now, but I do always try and remember how much I am paying also! :)

[Red 2]

"Corporal!"

"Sir!"

"Take Red2 out and shoot him."

Red2 is dragged from the Mess, presently there is a loud and very satisfying bang. Sailor takes a long draught from his pint.

"Can't have that kind of talk on this Squadron, and to think we nearly let that blighter run Bomber Command's Big Show!"

Wonder if I'll bag one of those Hun nightfighters at next month's toy fair?

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Nightfighter will of course have a Mossie on its tail!:D

Seeing as it looks like a long wait for Corgi's 110 (Dear Santa, if I am very, very good..:rolleyes: :( ), I will happily take my HM nightfighter. Doesn't stop me still wanting a really accurate model though ...:)

Someone else I was speaking to described it as a 90% model which is absolutely fair for the money, exceptionally good value etc.etc.

Personally, I will buy the HM model but still pay the extra for that 97% model when it comes as the 110 is one of those iconic warbirds to me and the little details matter. To many others, won't be an issue.

[Agent X20]

Still think that Eddies photo shows an A1 bit of diecast, you lot keep going for the jugular each time, then you will not have any hobby left.

[Red 2]

Still think that Eddies photo shows an A1 bit of diecast, you lot keep going for the jugular each time, then you will not have any hobby left.

:D The 110 is to me like the VC-10 is to you!

Difference is I'll happily buy the HM 110 but I will still buy a more expensive model if someone gets all the bits and bobs right.

[Agent X20]

Appreciate what you say.... but....The VC10 is obviously faulted and very very badly so... cockpit escape capsules and bleedin great joinlines not ONLY where they normally are as in on the underside, but the plane is made from 3 sections. :mad: :mad: :mad:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/AgentX20/rubbish/VC10poor.jpg

This Me 110 is nothing like as poor as the VC10 (which is the best part of £70..).. at £15 its a steal... ( from the photos..) and by far the best of the Hobbymaster bunch.

It just seems at the moment (from the sidelines as I only buy these things when they are rubbish money), that no model, however good, will be good enough for the masses.......

Go and look at the carp that was produced back in 2000 - its come a long way since then..:D :D :D

... and its got no bleedin doors..!!!!

[CFBC]

you lot keep going for the jugular each time, then you will not have any hobby left.

Quite agree. It's a fine balance between QC and price!

How'd we get on to VC10's? :confused: :confused: :( (It's an Me-110 thread) - :rolleyes: R2! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Red 2]

Ah, crossed lines methinks. Wasn't comparing the 110 model to the VC-10 model (the 110 is demonstrably better), was comparing my fondness and critical eye for the 110 to yours for the VC-10.

Still want my ultimate 110...;) :D

[dilligafocau]

Quite agree. It's a fine balance between QC and price!

How'd we get on to VC10's? :confused: :confused: :( (It's an Me-110 thread) - :rolleyes: R2! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Well seeing as we're talking VC-10's (ahem) just ordered this same one with all it faults :D

[Agent X20]

Lines were not crossed at all.. I think I had something to complain about.... you must have a very critical eye.... I've built 1/32 110's which looked quite similar to that HM nightfighter jobbie.. and I dont think that one is far off the mark at all... (the first HM one, quite franky was a bit pants... the IXO one IMHO is quite underrated, its a nice little model.....)

As for dilligafocau - he's just mad..!

[dilligafocau]

Lines were not crossed at all.. I think I had something to complain about.... you must have a very critical eye.... I've built 1/32 110's which looked quite similar to that HM nightfighter jobbie.. and I dont think that one is far off the mark at all... (the first HM one, quite franky was a bit pants... the IXO one IMHO is quite underrated, its a nice little model.....)

As for dilligafocau - he's just mad..!

As a hatter (used to live in Luton) and proud of it :LOL:

[KO-B]

I was going to stay out of this thread but… As this picture shows the antenna array on the Me110 was made up of 3 different size elements not that I would have expected Hobbymaster to have gone that far in getting it right. Even though its not right it wont stop me getting one and if it does start to bother me I can always use stretched spure to correct it.:)
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/ooooooooooooo.jpg

Like many, I was quite put off by the pictures of HM's nightfighter, however photos like this have made me think again. The model doesn't look as far off (to me) as it did originally. Actually I could be quite tempted after all.

The antenna (not the diagonal posts they are mounted on) in this picture look a darker colour than the rest of the aircraft, almost matching the prop blades. Whether this is through weathering or they were painted like that I can't say. Maybe if they were darker on the model that would disguise some of the thickness of the plastic.

I do feel that this is a model that has perhaps received more than it's fair share of 'flak';) from some quarters, there's no guarantee the Hound's version is going to be better, it'll certainly be more expensive. As already stated, the HM 110 seems a well finished lump of diecast for the price.

KO-B

[Red 2]

Lines were not crossed at all.. I think I had something to complain about.... you must have a very critical eye.... I've built 1/32 110's which looked quite similar to that HM nightfighter jobbie.. and I dont think that one is far off the mark at all... (the first HM one, quite franky was a bit pants... the IXO one IMHO is quite underrated, its a nice little model.....)

As for dilligafocau - he's just mad..!

Aaah. Haven't seen the nightfighter in the flesh yet. My only 'close encounter' has been the first HM 110 which was a disappointment in a couple of areas.Still good value for money but not quite there in terms of the definitive 110 model. So hopefully the nightfighter will be better, hence my reservations. ALTHOUGH I HAVE BOUGHT IT!

And yes, I do have a critical eye for the 110.Was the first aircraft I drew and I used to get quite worked up about the illustrations in some of the poorer Commando books|!:D :LOL:

[Cruver Collecter]

Like many, I was quite put off by the pictures of HM's nightfighter, however photos like this have made me think again. The model doesn't look as far off (to me) as it did originally. Actually I could be quite tempted after all.

The antenna (not the diagonal posts they are mounted on) in this picture look a darker colour than the rest of the aircraft, almost matching the prop blades. Whether this is through weathering or they were painted like that I can't say. Maybe if they were darker on the model that would disguise some of the thickness of the plastic.

I do feel that this is a model that has perhaps received more than it's fair share of 'flak';) from some quarters, there's no guarantee the Hound's version is going to be better, it'll certainly be more expensive. As already stated, the HM 110 seems a well finished lump of diecast for the price.

KO-B

Another interesting feature on the bottom radar dipole antennas is the red and white bands.

[leeG]

Aaah. Haven't seen the nightfighter in the flesh yet. My only 'close encounter' has been the first HM 110 which was a disappointment in a couple of areas.Still good value for money but not quite there in terms of the definitive 110 model. So hopefully the nightfighter will be better, hence my reservations. ALTHOUGH I HAVE BOUGHT IT!

And yes, I do have a critical eye for the 110.Was the first aircraft I drew and I used to get quite worked up about the illustrations in some of the poorer Commando books|!:D :LOL:

I'm looking for the FOUR definitive 110s.

- Long range day fighter.
- Fighter/bomber.
- Heavy fighter.
- Night fighter.

Corgi looks to be making the day fighter with their someday to be released 110C. Hobby Master has given us the heavy fighter 110G-2/R3 and the night fighter 110G-4. IXO's 110E would seem to provide the fighter/bomber, but it doesn't have any bombs!

I have in hand or on order all the current crop of 1/72 110s, and I like them all. :D

[hworth18]

As an early critic of HM's 110, I was pleasantly surprised when I picked one up.. The paint scheme is much better than the pre-pros and all the little quirks I had about it before seem to be gone or much improved.. The radar array is still a little oversized, but that is expected when made from plastic.. There are probably a few more things HM could work on, but visually, it is nice to look at goes well on my shelf..
Overall, I am quite happy as I have been with all my recent HM purchases..;)

[CFBC]

As an early critic of HM's 110, I was pleasantly surprised when I picked one up.. The paint scheme is much better than the pre-pros and all the little quirks I had about it before seem to be gone or much improved.. The radar array is still a little oversized, but that is expected when made from plastic.. There are probably a few more things HM could work on, but visually, it is nice to look at goes well on my shelf..
Overall, I am quite happy as I have been with all my recent HM purchases..;)

Thanks Harry - Am picking mine up this week, so will get to see it first hand. Will also get some photo's online as soon as I can too.

[hworth18]

Thanks Harry - Am picking mine up this week, so will get to see it first hand. Will also get some photo's online as soon as I can too.


I really don't think you'll be disappointed.. The only thing I did notice was that the balance horns on the ailerons are still being put on backwards, but I don't look at the undersides of my planes that much anyways..:D

[Cruver Collecter]

Here is a photo of my HM BF 110 night fighter. They did a nice job on it and yep the aileron balances are still on backwards. From the pre production photos of the next night fighter, they did get arround to fixing the aileron balance issue.

[Sailor.]

"Nightfighter will of course have a Mossie on its tail!"

"Corporal!"

"Sir!"

"Where did you shoot Red2?"

"Behind the hangers Sir."

"No, You idiot...Where?"

"In the head Sir, as ordered!"


"Thank gawd for that, anywhere else and you might have done 'im a serious mischief. Wheel 'im in Corporal!"

"Sir!"

Red2 wanders back into the Mess with a plaster on his temple, and a more than usual, gormless look on his face, and shouts.

"This is b****y dangerous, get to the bar lads this round's on Sailor!"

:wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

[Red 2]

[B][COLOR="Red"]
"This is b****y dangerous, get to the bar lads this round's on Sailor!"

:wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

YOU ALL HEARD THAT!

:eek: THe next round is on Sailor! Blimey...never thought I would see the day!:D


Mind you, 110 could be on the tail of the Pathfinder Mossie....;) :D :LOL:

[Sailor.]

"Mind you, 110 could be on the tail of the Pathfinder Mossie...."


If the bugger had got 'Türsteher' stencilled on the cowling then I'd be really worried!!!

[CFBC]

YOU ALL HEARD THAT!

:eek: THe next round is on Sailor! Blimey...never thought I would see the day!:D

Roll on October then! :D

[Sailor.]

Now look chaps, steady on...
wot wiv three ex wives and God knows how many little b-words I've got running around the Republic of Yorkshire shouting 'Fatboy's mi' Dad' would you really see a proud man, penniless, broken and sobbing on the end of the bar at Elvington.

:( :( :( :( :( :(

[Martin Bull]

Well, I've gone ahead and ordered the 'Drewes' 110G-4. The earlier models didn't look impressive to me, and I still hope that Corgi will deliver a 'definitive' 110. But the pics and discussion on here have convinced me to get this one.

[Sailor.]

Same here, hope to get one at the next toy fair.

[Grim Reaper]

Now look chaps, steady on...
wot wiv three ex wives and God knows how many little b-words I've got running around the Republic of Yorkshire shouting 'Fatboy's mi' Dad' would you really see a proud man, penniless, broken and sobbing on the end of the bar at Elvington.


:( :( :( :( :( :(


In a word YES :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[CFBC]

In a word YES :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Yep! :) Sailor offering to buy a drink is like a rare comet pasing the earth! It simply does not happen offen enough! :LOL:

[kevjb64]

Had my first good look at HA1802 today and overall its nice . Very heavy for a piece of HM diecast so that felt impressive , the scheme is very good . No pilots is a draw back and the cockpit and antenna look very thick / heavy , though antenna not as bad as I expected ( could be one of those cases were even if it is right it just does not look right , D.I.' s bird is the same Mk. just a different aircraft so will be interesting tosee how there's look ). One thing I noticed was on the box art and most pictures I have seen there is a large unit badge just below the pilots position on the fuselage yet it is absent from the model ??? :)

[david cotton]

Had my first good look at HA1802 today and overall its nice . Very heavy for a piece of HM diecast so that felt impressive . No pilots is a draw back :)

No pilots is a no no for me. You can't have a dog fight with a no crewed fighter.....it just cannot be :eek:

[biffo]

No pilots is a no no for me. You can't have a dog fight with a no crewed fighter.....it just cannot be :eek:Having just recieved my new H/M BF110 Martin Drews very pleased at first but mildly dissapointed at no sheild marking on the nose have been in touch with Garys Models looks like this release does not have it!still a nice model though

[leeG]

Having just recieved my new H/M BF110 Martin Drews very pleased at first but mildly dissapointed at no sheild marking on the nose have been in touch with Garys Models looks like this release does not have it!still a nice model though

The color profiles I have of Martin Drews' day fighter Bf110G4 (no radar) does not have a shield. I do not have a night-fighter (with radar) profile. There was a discussion at the MHII forum of the shield deletion from the production version compared to the pre-production photos. The consensus was Drews' Bf110G4 did not have a shield and Hobby Master corrected the livery between pre-production and final production.

Does anyone have a photo or reference for this bird?

[Martin Bull]

I've just removed my Drewes 110 from its box :cool:

Firstly, I'm fairly certain that Drewes did not carry the diving-eagle emblem which is shown on the box. I have photos of some of Drewes aircraft somewhere in my Nachtjagd book collection....:unsure:

Secondly, this is a good model. I like it. The overall look and detailing are good, the aerials are a bit oversized but don't look ridiculous, the special exhausts look good.

But, best of all, H/M have come very close to getting the 'mottling' effect to look right. Sadly, the model is let down by the 'greenhouse' framing and by lacking a crew.

I'll be honest and say that I wish Corgi had beaten H/M to the punch with this one. But a Bf110G-4 is an important aircraft ( essential to any Bomber Command collector ) and this H/M model does look the business - it captures just the right, 'sinister' effect.

If it were a £45 model, I'd be harder on it. But for the money, it's an impressive piece of kit......

[johnnyboy]

I was going to wait for the next one as I did not like the look of the mottling' effect on the pre pro but after these pics and MB giving the model the thumbs up I think I will be getting this one after all:D

[biffo]

I'M GLAD THE MARTIN DREWS 110 MAY NOT HAVE A SHEILD , BUT THERE IS ONE LITTLE PEICE THAT LOOKS LIKE A GREY BOW TIE WHERE DOE'S IT GO?:unsure: APART FROM THAT, LOOKS GOOD WITH MY IXO HE 219 UHU

[Martin Bull]

I think the 'grey bow-tie' is in fact the 'closed' door for the tailwheel.....;)

[Scottuk]

First impressions of this latest offering from HM are good. Can't wait to get it home and out the box:D

[raddger]

Got my nightfighter yesterday. Overall very nice, the radar doesn't look tooooo bad and the paint job is very nicely done.

The only minor gripe for me is the canopy - it sits beautifully on one side but no matter how hard i squeeze it won't sit flush on the other....

Also, the pegs that secure the canopy are quite visible through the side of the windshield so it looks a bit odd.

But having said that - i'm really pleased with it.

Can't comment on the ultimate accuracy of it bit it looks like a 110 nightfighter to me!

Will probably end up getting the second nightfighter now too.

It's about time corgi did a Ju-88 nightfighter to go with it!

Raddger

[biffo]

I think the 'grey bow-tie' is in fact the 'closed' door for the tailwheel.....;)I DON'T THINK THE 110 HAD A RETRACTABLE TAIL WHEEL ANYBODY ELSE KNOW WHERE THE BOW TIE GO'S?

[Martin Bull]

That's a very good point, Biffo - it didn't ! But I think that H/M think it did, because the 'bow-tie' fits perfectly.....:wacko:

[Merlin G.C.]

That's a very good point, Biffo - it didn't ! But I think that H/M think it did, because the 'bow-tie' fits perfectly.....:wacko:

Yes - the 'bow tie' was a mistake. Read about it some time ago on the MHII forum.

Future Me-110 releases should be 'sans -bow tie' :D

[biffo]

Yes - the 'bow tie' was a mistake. Read about it some time ago on the MHII forum.

Future Me-110 releases should be 'sans -bow tie' :DThanks too small to wear!

[Martin Bull]

Sorry - these pix are just snaps and not in the Agent X20 or Shuttle league - but I'm quite chuffed with this model.....

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Pathfinders/Pathfinders001.jpg


http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Pathfinders/Pathfinders004-1.jpg


http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Pathfinders/Pathfinders006.jpg


As I said, for the price, not bad. The canopy of mine seems to fit very well, so maybe there are one or two q/c issues......

[DCRanger]

I saw both in MZ yesterday but they didn't appeal to me. Mind you, I never liked the Airfix version either.

[P51D]

Saw this one the other day and it did look better than I expected!

I think they were asking £27.99 though, which seemed steep compared to other prices mentioned on this thread. Since most comments are that it is 'OK for the money' i wondered what the MRRP actually is on this one?

Anyway decided my IXO will do for now until Corgi release theirs.

[biffo]

I MUST PRAISE H/M ON A STONKING MODEL , THE BEST OF MY 6 STUKA's, AND SOMTHING OTHER MAKERS DON'T DO A SPARE RADIO MAST, ALONG WITH THE NEW 110's (SPARE BOW-TIE) CORGI BEWARE!:D

[CFBC]

Have just uploaded the latest Photographs to the HM Forum section and these can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=7877)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1802%20Production/2969ae6d.jpg

A nice release personally! ;) :) A couple of issues it has, but for the money an excellent issue.

[eismeer]

Very nice pics CFBC, cheers:cool:

Gonna have to pick one of these up, looks very neat and as stated, at a great price:)

[CFBC]

Very nice pics CFBC, cheers:cool:

Gonna have to pick one of these up, looks very neat and as stated, at a great price:)

Yes Eis, I didn't know what I was going to make of it to be honest with all the mixed opions, but I was presently suprised at how good it is for the money that HM want.

Ok, it is a little bit of a pain in teh ar$e assembling the U/C (those who bought the first issue would know), but once assembled is quite sturdy!

The overall paint finish and effects are very good and impressed me as well as the antenna as I thought i night have to assemble that too, but it is fixed well to the aircraft.

Personally as mentioned before, I think HM have a good issue here, especially for the money demanded.

:)

[ruger357]

Bought the first two in the series. I am very pleased with them. Can't wait for the Corgi 110C to come out.

[Shamrock]

I now have both and think they are excellent value for money. The rear mgs should be a bit more detailed and smaller IMHO. The Dragon JU-87 captures the MG81Z mounting perfectly I feel. :)

[CFBC]

It would be nice for a pilot and co-pilot seeing as the canopy comes off and you can see inside. Perhaps a little more detail inside? (Worth a few quid more?)

Overall though, very good for the money. ;) :)

[theodore]

After Corgi releases their Me-110C within the next FEW years :LOL: :p , after all is said and done, I think that HobbyMaster will have the best Me-110's out there, less expensive than Corgi, and different variants as well!! :cool :)

[shuttle]

My HM Me-110 has now gone on display and a very nice model it is too. I had to stick the canopy down as it had a pronounced gap on the port side but it now looks fine. The finish is superb and apart from the known horn balance problem these are my only complaints. I would have preferred a 'Corgi style' RADAR array (using etched brass) for the centre aerials but the main ones look OK - I appreciate that could put the cost up though. Here are some pictures including the Corgi Ju-88 to show how good etch brass can look.

All in all, a very good model, great value (it is quite big) and a different mark to the Corgi version (if it appears....) so everyone should be happy.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Me-1103.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Me-1102.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Me-1101.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Luftwaffe2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Luftwaffe1.jpg

[col]

Just got mine through today. Post on this seems to have started off a bit down and gradually got more favourable, centering on the radar array. Overall the impression has averaged out as good for the price, could have been a bit better.
Well, all I can say is it doesn't do the model justice. The mottling couldn't be done any better (though HM probably have'nt done themselves any favours using the pre pro box art).
As for the radar array I think photos give the wrong impression. Out of the box the array looks a lot more delicate than I was expecting. Centre array is a little heavy perhaps but I don't think an etched set would really have made the slightest bit of difference.
If you're sitting on the fence, buy it.

[biffo]

Just got mine through today. Post on this seems to have started off a bit down and gradually got more favourable, centering on the radar array. Overall the impression has averaged out as good for the price, could have been a bit better.
Well, all I can say is it doesn't do the model justice. The mottling couldn't be done any better (though HM probably have'nt done themselves any favours using the pre pro box art).
As for the radar array I think photos give the wrong impression. Out of the box the array looks a lot more delicate than I was expecting. Centre array is a little heavy perhaps but I don't think an etched set would really have made the slightest bit of difference.
If you're sitting on the fence, buy it.

Have an illustration in a book by Bil Gunston Aircraft Of W.W.2 it has the Martin Drews BF110 N/Fighter in it, this has a yellow radio mast the letter W is in green and it has the unit marking shield on the nose!:confused:

[p-51d]

Saw the first two on display in Norwich yesterday and have to say i like them, pilots would be nice as usual HM, nightfighter looks especially good and i intend to get the third release, can Corgi's offering ,IF we ever see it or get it be any better???

[kevjb64]

Have an illustration in a book by Bil Gunston Aircraft Of W.W.2 it has the Martin Drews BF110 N/Fighter in it, this has a yellow radio mast the letter W is in green and it has the unit marking shield on the nose!:confused:

I have to admit the pictures I have of this machine have the unit shield on them but there are others who have pictures without , so yes :confused: ! :)

[col]

Have some profiles of Bf110 nightfighters from Scale Aircraft Modeller circa 2005. This includes the Drewes machine - no unit badge and the code in black. Probably both are right / wrong.

[Sailor.]

Just added HM's 110 nightfighter to the ranks in the Emporium, all was quiet therein when I closed the door. This morning I went in for a pike and all the gun turrets on the Lancs and Halibags were trained on the Jerry interloper!!! :eek:
And....I swear it's true... mi' Bomber Harris figure is now scowling furiously!!! :eek:
At the stroke of midnight I shall remove the offending Hun and re-investigate at dawn.
Weird innit?

[southyorkshireman]

No are you sure it isn't just like that episode of the simpsons, and Corgi have simply fitted a device into their models to destroy all other competitors efforts? :D

[Martin Bull]

At the stroke of midnight I shall remove the offending Hun and re-investigate at dawn.


Introduce a Corgi Mossie NFII into the cabinet......;)

[von hitchofen]

nice bit of Moskitopanik required, wheres Branse Burbridge when yer need him...

[Sailor.]

Here's my two 'pennoth after having a good look at the model. It's a gem and the Pooch will have to be on top form to nobble it.... if they ever do one that is! :unsure:
Am I right in thinking you leave them rocket pod thingys off the nightfighter?

[leeG]

Here's my two 'pennoth after having a good look at the model. It's a gem and the Pooch will have to be on top form to nobble it.... if they ever do one that is! :unsure:
Am I right in thinking you leave them rocket pod thingys off the nightfighter?

Yes. Leave the rockets back at the base.

[ruger357]

Here's my two 'pennoth after having a good look at the model. It's a gem and the Pooch will have to be on top form to nobble it.... if they ever do one that is! :unsure:
Am I right in thinking you leave them rocket pod thingys off the nightfighter?

I also kept them off my nightfighter, but put them on the dayfighter

[Kubikali]

I tried - and managed - to attach the rockets, but I found it to be a scary excercise...

[ruger357]

I tried - and managed - to attach the rockets, but I found it to be a scary excercise...

Same here, they were sort of a pain.

[johnnyboy]

Hawk1 has a drawing of the up coming release on his site
http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/files/HA1804_sample.bmp
I like the look of this scheme its very:cool: Does anybody know the history behind this aircraft?

[Martin Bull]

Not the most exciting of histories - it's the 6.NJG6 machine of Oberfeldwebel Helmut Treynogga which got lost, ran out of fuel and was interned at Dubendorf in Switzerland.....

[ZS-VAN]

Not the most exciting of histories - it's the 6.NJG6 machine of Oberfeldwebel Helmut Treynogga which got lost, ran out of fuel and was interned at Dubendorf in Switzerland.....

Not the most exciting indeed. :( Scheme looks cool though. :cool

[Nimrod48]

Not the most exciting indeed. :( Scheme looks cool though. :cool

Anothe Bf110 for the collection & if it comes sans crew at least I can tell folk they have gone to look for petrol. :)

[ZS-VAN]

Anothe Bf110 for the collection & if it comes sans crew at least I can tell folk they have gone to look for petrol. :)

:LOL: Good one Nimrod48. I still haven't bought a HM Bf110 and was thinking this was a cool scheme. So many other priorities though. That and sometimes there are distractions.

I wanted the Israeli A4 and when I got it somehow the Top Gun A4, Brentwaters A10 and Singapore Buffalo found their way into the parcel as well. :rolleyes: I needed an A10 :D but then they released the new one with the lovely smile in similar camo. Can you ever win? :wacko:

[Hurriup!]

Not the most exciting of histories - it's the 6.NJG6 machine of Oberfeldwebel Helmut Treynogga which got lost, ran out of fuel and was interned at Dubendorf in Switzerland.....

A similar history to Corgi's Mount N' Ride B-17.

[david cotton]

I see HM are bringing out some crew figures :) If they bring out a suitable crew for the 110, would it be possible to get them into the cockpit without doing damage:unsure:

I do hope that the figures come out with oxygen masks on, as I alway think they look more war like:)

[Nimrod48]

:LOL: Good one Nimrod48. I still haven't bought a HM Bf110 and was thinking this was a cool scheme. So many other priorities though. That and sometimes there are distractions.

I wanted the Israeli A4 and when I got it somehow the Top Gun A4, Brentwaters A10 and Singapore Buffalo found their way into the parcel as well. :rolleyes: I needed an A10 :D but then they released the new one with the lovely smile in similar camo. Can you ever win? :wacko:

Know what you mean ZS & Mr J has not helped by advertising some of the rarer Corgi birds :confused:

[CKS1]

Not the most exciting of histories - it's the 6.NJG6 machine of Oberfeldwebel Helmut Treynogga which got lost, ran out of fuel and was interned at Dubendorf in Switzerland.....

I did read that the Germans did a deal to get one of their night fighter Me110’s back from the Swiss.

The German’s were desperate to get it back due to the radar on board. The Swiss accepted after some deft reverse engineering (to obtain the technology for them selves) and received swag of late mark 109’s in return.

Could this be that fighter?

Cheers CKS1

[johnnyboy]

I did read that the Germans did a deal to get one of their night fighter Me110’s back from the Swiss.

The German’s were desperate to get it back due to the radar on board. The Swiss accepted after some deft reverse engineering (to obtain the technology for them selves) and received swag of late mark 109’s in return.

Could this be that fighter?

Cheers CKS1

I think you will find that it was not this one but another. On the night of April 27/28, 1944 (Ober?)Leutnant Wilhelm Johnen claimed a Lancaster, but his aircraft (Bf-110G-4 Werknummer 740055 C9+EN) was damaged in a second engagement, and he force landed in Switzerland. The aircraft was examined by the Swiss, but was destroyed by German request in exchange for 12 (I think) Bf-109Gs. These aircraft were never used in combat, because the engines were in really bad condition. But it looks like the Swiss took they time about destroying as I have found this
http://www.xs4all.nl/~aobauer/Lichtenstein%20radars.pdf
which seems to show at lot was done before they did:LOL:

[p-51d]

William has been commenting on MH2 that the canopies are wrong and will be amended for the fourth release, it seems they are considering supplying canopies for retrofitting too.Let's hope HM carry on like this.

[kevjb64]

William has been commenting on MH2 that the canopies are wrong and will be amended for the fourth release, it seems they are considering supplying canopies for retrofitting too.Let's hope HM carry on like this.

Yes the canopies are too thick in several places , well done to HM for taking note . So many of their releases are so close but get let down by niggling little errors , slightly better cockpits , crews originally in and a lick of dark paint over the forward radar areas and you have got a truly great model here ( oh and rear wheel ) . Still at least they are rectifying the mistakes . :)

[Nimrod48]

Found this just now on the HM site :) HA1805 BF-110 G4 3C+LB, Stab I/NJG 4 "Shark Mouth. HA1805 will also come with 3 additional
"late" version canopies so you can retrofit the first three Bf-110 releases HA1801, HA1802, HA1803.

[kevjb64]

Found this just now on the HM site :) HA1805 BF-110 G4 3C+LB, Stab I/NJG 4 "Shark Mouth. HA1805 will also come with 3 additional
"late" version canopies so you can retrofit the first three Bf-110 releases HA1801, HA1802, HA1803.

Good as have already said , apart from minor errors this mold is close to being a classic . Good marketing by HM , certainly should guarantee sales of HA1805 !! :rolleyes: :D ;)

[leeG]

Good as have already said , apart from minor errors this mold is close to being a classic . Good marketing by HM , certainly should guarantee sales of HA1805 !! :rolleyes: :D ;)


I think the shark mouth livery alone is enough to guarantee HA1805 sales. Bf-110s, P-40s and shark mouths just naturally go together. :cool

This approach for distributing the new canopies works well for me, personally, as I will have the first three HM 110s and can't pass up a shark mouth. I'm also looking forward to Corgi's shark mouth 110C. And looking. And looking.......

The new canopies HM is providing have the true "G" greenhouse. The canopies originally supplied were for an "F." While there is no excuse for the wrong canopy on HA1802 and HA1803, the canopy on the HA1801 was correct according to one reference. There is a color profile of Bf-110G-2/R3 "2N+EM" in Squadron's Messerschmitt Bf 110 Zerstorer in action, page 26, which shows the aircraft with a "F" style canopy.

There is a photo of '2N+EM' in Osprey's Messerschmitt Bf 110 Zerstorer Aces of World War 2 on page 94 that shows the aircraft did have the proper "G" greenhouse. I applaud HM for making the correction.

My other favorite manufacturer, Gemini, has fixed problems (such as the Spitfire green color and troll pilots) in later releases. HM is going above and beyond by providing parts to correct their earlier releases. Good Job! :D

[leeG]

I think you will find that it was not this one but another. On the night of April 27/28, 1944 (Ober?)Leutnant Wilhelm Johnen claimed a Lancaster, but his aircraft (Bf-110G-4 Werknummer 740055 C9+EN) was damaged in a second engagement, and he force landed in Switzerland. The aircraft was examined by the Swiss, but was destroyed by German request in exchange for 12 (I think) Bf-109Gs. These aircraft were never used in combat, because the engines were in really bad condition. But it looks like the Swiss took they time about destroying as I have found this
http://www.xs4all.nl/~aobauer/Lichtenstein%20radars.pdf
which seems to show at lot was done before they did:LOL:

Wilhelm Johnen's brand new Bf-110G-4/R3 'C9+EN' was traded for 12 Bf-109Gs. There is a picture of this airplane in Osprey's German Night Fighter Aces of World War 2 on page 65.

The Dubendorf aircraft HM is modeling is 6/NJG 6 Bf 110G-4/R1 '2Z+OP' Werke Number 5547. There is a color profile of this airplane in Squadron's Walk Around Messerschmitt Bf 110G on page 76. Its pilot claimed a navigational error, but this was a feint as the Swiss later returned the aircraft and granted the pilot political asylum.

[William]

Hi,

Attached some photos of the test color sample of the "Shark Mouth". Accoding to reference the camouflage is very worn and faded. We tried hard to simulate the worn.

Some color spots will be painted over the body.

[Nimrod48]

Hi,

Attached some photos of the test color sample of the "Shark Mouth". Accoding to reference the camouflage is very worn and faded. We tried hard to stimulate the worn.

Some color spots will be painted over the body.

Thanks for posting William....looking forward to pics of the finished article :)

[William]

Thanks for posting William....looking forward to pics of the finished article :)

No problem. My pleasure. :)

[CFBC]

The third 110 has arrived in the UK.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1803%20Production/HA1803-7.jpg

More photographs can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=8282).

[Abbevilleslayer]

I've been waiting for this one!!!!! Maybe we can find a way to have the Hunter become the Hunted in a Lanc, 110, and NF Mossie display!?!?!?:D

[DCRanger]

That's the third and I still haven't seen the one I want.:(

[Agent X20]

William has been commenting on MH2 that the canopies are wrong and will be amended for the fourth release, it seems they are considering supplying canopies for retrofitting too.Let's hope HM carry on like this.


Pity the pooch didnt listen over the Lightning...:mad: :mad: :mad:

[ZS-VAN]

I must say the more I look as these 110s the more I like them. So we have to buy the 4th one to get the canopies for the first 3 is it? :unsure:

[CFBC]

I must say the more I look as these 110s the more I like them. So we have to buy the 4th one to get the canopies for the first 3 is it? :unsure:

Yes according to what William said. :)

[Angels one-five]

I'm sorely tempted to pick up one of these 110s. I've been patiently waiting the arrival of the Corgi BoB 110, but my patience is beginning to wear out. I'll certainly have a look at an HM version at the next show I go to. What's the forum verdict so far - which is the best one...?

[blue steel]

That's the third and I still haven't seen the one I want.:(

I have the first 2 x 110's but I would like to see the example flown by Martin Becker who was awarded the Knights Cross and Oakleaves and survived WW2 with 58 night victories

[blue steel]

I'm sorely tempted to pick up one of these 110s. I've been patiently waiting the arrival of the Corgi BoB 110, but my patience is beginning to wear out. I'll certainly have a look at an HM version at the next show I go to. What's the forum verdict so far - which is the best one...?

Well it may or may not be the best or most interesting but if the 4th ones out by the next show you can sell the spare cockpits :D Seriously I guess it's hard to recommend the first 3 releases (although I have the first 2 and the 3rd on order) if the canopy is incorrect :( But they all look pretty good to me! Also the first 3 are all different (non-radar, radars etc) but personally I do like the scheme of HA1803 (with radar....and incorrect canopy....I think :confused: ) HA1805 is scheduled soon with a shark mouth and radar so could be the one worth waiting for

[blue steel]

I'm sorely tempted to pick up one of these 110s. I've been patiently waiting the arrival of the Corgi BoB 110, but my patience is beginning to wear out. I'll certainly have a look at an HM version at the next show I go to. What's the forum verdict so far - which is the best one...?

Apparently 'Shark Mouth' HA1805 is coming next (before HA1804) and will contain the spare canopies in order to retrofit HA1801,1802 and 1803. Hopefully if all that is correct that could be the one to get - but please check first :)

[Nimrod48]

The third 110 has arrived in the UK.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1803%20Production/HA1803-7.jpg

More photographs can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=8282).

Looking forward to getting this one to go with the first two issues a simple scheme but well executed IMHO :)

[Kubikali]

It has probably come up before, but is the "fencing" not too thick??

[William]

Well it may or may not be the best or most interesting but if the 4th ones out by the next show you can sell the spare cockpits :D Seriously I guess it's hard to recommend the first 3 releases (although I have the first 2 and the 3rd on order) if the canopy is incorrect :( But they all look pretty good to me! Also the first 3 are all different (non-radar, radars etc) but personally I do like the scheme of HA1803 (with radar....and incorrect canopy....I think :confused: ) HA1805 is scheduled soon with a shark mouth and radar so could be the one worth waiting for

The HA1801 still use the "F" stye canopy so no replacement is needed for this one.

For the HA1802 the cost is the highest for us as you can imagine with all the hand painted color spots.

[Nimrod48]

The postie has just delivered HA1803 & I have to say despite the rather simple camo scheme it is a very nice model IMHO.
No issues with the fit of any of the customer add ons & the canopy sits snug to the fuselage the only downside on my sample is a slight chip in the light blue paint forward of the L/H antenna array.....anyone know the correct Humbrol colour to touch this up?:)

[blue steel]

The HA1801 still use the "F" stye canopy so no replacement is needed for this one.

For the HA1802 the cost is the highest for us as you can imagine with all the hand painted color spots.

I fully understand William and thanks for the information re: HA1801. I have the first 2 and will be getting HA1803 plus the 'Shark Mouth' version. As i say they all look good to me :) Thanks for taking the trouble to supply replacement canopies, it's a really nice gesture. I wouldn't have ever known the difference! Any chance of a Martin Becker version in the future? Famous pilot and nice scheme :)

[William]

I fully understand William and thanks for the information re: HA1801. I have the first 2 and will be getting HA1803 plus the 'Shark Mouth' version. As i say they all look good to me :) Thanks for taking the trouble to supply replacement canopies, it's a really nice gesture. I wouldn't have ever known the difference! Any chance of a Martin Becker version in the future? Famous pilot and nice scheme :)

A Martin Becker version in the future for sure. One good example from the web.

What about the D5+ RL in the RAF Museum at Hendon? The camouflage is a real challenge. :)

[blue steel]

A Martin Becker version in the future for sure. One good example from the web.

What about the D5+ RL in the RAF Museum at Hendon? The camouflage is a real challenge. :)

The Hendon 110 looks great William :) I have a nice print of the Becker 110 if it is of any help to you.

[Sailor.]

Is there anywhere in cyberspace with pictures of both the early and late cockpits on the nightfighter?

[scott]

I have not got any 110's yet as i was waiting for the Corgi one's but i am getting abit itchy and so might have to pick up all three (they are all western front ?) and with pilots on the way :cool

[CFBC]

I have not got any 110's yet as i was waiting for the Corgi one's but i am getting abit itchy and so might have to pick up all three (they are all western front ?) and with pilots on the way :cool

You will not be dissapointed... If you do not mind a small amount of assembly of u/c/ aerial and underwing items then it's fine. If you do, then wait for the Cornby release, but no dates as yet though.

I am guessing early/mid 2009. Your call... :)

[scott]

You will not be dissapointed... If you do not mind a small amount of assembly of u/c/ aerial and underwing items then it's fine. If you do, then wait for the Cornby release, but no dates as yet though.

I am guessing early/mid 2009. Your call... :)

I cant wait that long i need to scratch my die cast itch , Thats it I'm off looking for them :cool

[CFBC]

I cant wait that long i need to scratch my die cast itch , Thats it I'm off looking for them :cool

Can I sugest someone from this (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/Promoters.html)page?

[johnnyboy]

Is there anywhere in cyberspace with pictures of both the early and late cockpits on the nightfighter?

I do not know if this site might help you but there are tons of pics of all things Luffty on here
http://www.luftwaffephotos.com/lme1101.htm

[ZS-VAN]

I do not know if this site might help you but there are tons of pics of all things Luffty on here
http://www.luftwaffephotos.com/lme1101.htm

Cool site JB. ;)

[CFBC]

Thank you to Hobby Master for allowing us these pre-production photographs of the following 110. Please be aware that these photographs have been supplied by Hobby Master of the pre-production version and are subject to change.


HA1805 - BF-110 G4 3C+LB, Stab I/NJG 4 "Shark Mouth"

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Pre-Production/HA1805.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Pre-Production/HA18056.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Pre-Production/HA18051.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Pre-Production/HA18052.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Pre-Production/HA18054.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Pre-Production/HA18053.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Pre-Production/HA18055.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Pre-Production/HA18057.jpg

[david cotton]

If HM gave it a crew, a stand, and the wheels up option, I would of purchased all their 110's to date :eek:

As it is, I will have to wait for the corgi one to come along .....eventually:unsure:

I like the paint finish on this, it looks very light and feathered.

[P51D]

I know this one is meant to represent a weathered aircraft but isn't that green a bit like the early Gemini one (which took such a battering)

Maybe gemini were just trying to represent a weathered spitfire! :LOL:

Anyway still waiting for a 110 that i like. Maybe (like DC) I will have to wait for the Corgi one.

[david cotton]

I know this one is meant to represent a weathered aircraft but isn't that green a bit like the early Gemini one (which took such a battering)

Maybe gemini were just trying to represent a weathered spitfire! :LOL:

Anyway still waiting for a 110 that i like. Maybe (like DC) I will have to wait for the Corgi one.

I do like this HM 110 and all their others :) ....its just that they don't have the right configeration .... flying.....for me :(

[johnnyboy]

I do like this HM 110 and all their others :) ....its just that they don't have the right configeration .... flying.....for me :(

I do not know what you have seen DC but all the new 110s come with crew and the wheels up option has been on all of them plus stand:wacko:

[charley]

Nice looking scheme, I've often wondered why the Me 410 has had very little interest shown in it on the forum :confused:

Looking at Cosford's example a few months back it's an awesome looking machine.

What would be the next German type to make it into diecast?

[p-51d]

Nice looking scheme, I've often wondered why the Me 410 has had very little interest shown in it on the forum :confused:

Looking at Cosford's example a few months back it's an awesome looking machine.

What would be the next German type to make it into diecast?

Many threads on here about this the most obvious being a Do17 or Do217 IMPO, as 110's go this will be my first one .

[William]

If HM gave it a crew, a stand, and the wheels up option, I would of purchased all their 110's to date :eek:

As it is, I will have to wait for the corgi one to come along .....eventually:unsure:

I like the paint finish on this, it looks very light and feathered.

Hi,

This version will come with crew, wheels up and a stand.

Thank you.

[david cotton]

Hi,

This version will come with crew, wheels up and a stand.




And I shall buy it :D

[Hoverbug]

[QUOTE=charley;220653]Nice looking scheme, I've often wondered why the Me 410 has had very little interest shown in it on the forum :confused:

QUOTE]

Perhaps because they were such Browning fodder?

[Red Leader]

Agree about the 410 Hornisse. The Cosford one looks great. Would be excellent in 1:72!

[William]

Hi,

The Me-110 with crews and a few camouflage spots.
Rear gun further shortened.

[Nimrod48]

Hi,

The Me-110 with crews and a few camouflage spots.

Cant wait for this one William....looking good :)

[david cotton]

Hi,

The Me-110 with crews and a few camouflage spots.


It looks good enougth for me to buy :) I am looking forward to this one now :)

[totalplanenuts]

[QUOTE=charley;220653]Nice looking scheme, I've often wondered why the Me 410 has had very little interest shown in it on the forum :confused:

Looking at Cosford's example a few months back it's an awesome looking machine.

First the Me 110, Ju 88, Do 17, then the Me 410, Ju 188, Do 217 ? :unsure:

That said, the Me 410 is one of my very favorite twin engined fighters.:D

And btw, it wasn't that bad, but happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[blue steel]

Latest ME110 looks great :) ME410 would be excellent, I still have my original Corgi diecast model somewhere which dates from the mid 70's (Happy Days :D ) made under the 'Lintoy' brand name I think

[leeG]

That said, the Me 410 is one of my very favorite twin engined fighters.:D

And btw, it wasn't that bad, but happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

By wrong place, I assume you mean in front of P-51s and P-47s? And by wrong time, I assume you mean when they were firing? ;)

The 410 would make a nice model. Something to go along with all the HM 110s.

[Red 2]

My order is in for the 'Sharkmouth'! :cool: :D

[Scottuk]

I'm well impressed by the 3rd release:D

[CFBC]

I'm well impressed by the 3rd release:D

Yes, a class release indeed and we have been waiting long enough also for a decent 110....

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1803%20Production/HA1803-7.jpg

The fourth release should also be as good. looking at Williams pre-pro/production sample pictures. ;) :)

[kevjb64]

Finally got the 3rd release and as I and others have said before , it is ok but still a nearly model . The new greenhouses will help , as will the crews when they become available but once again with a bit more effort and thought this could have been a world beater . Yes it may have cost a bit more but with a better radar antenna , and the above points it would have been awesome . HM have just proved the difference with their own Kate . Bit of a bad show having the new greenhouses only available if you purchase another model . :(

[leeG]

Bit of a bad show having the new greenhouses only available if you purchase another model . :(

This works perfectly for me. :) I already have the first three. :cool:

I can't resist a shark mouth 110, so this is a model I would buy corrected greenhouses or not. I even have the elusive, soon to be released, well maybe 2009 for sure, Corgi 110C on pre-order. :rolleyes:

Getting the corrected greenhouses with the shark mouth release is a very pleasant, unexpected bonus. What other manufacturer would even bother to make corrected parts for previously issued models?

As I see it, Hobby Master is getting new greenhouses out to their loyal Bf-110 collectors in a way that causes the least fuss for both HM and the collectors. Pretty amazing and a jolly good show!

[ChairmanMilo]

I'm happy to have the third release too. It now sits among my favourite Fw 190s and Bf 109s on the shelf - the first two have been re-boxed and stowed in the "hangar" (read: full-to-capacity-closet-oh-my-god-DON'T-OPEN-THAT-DOOR-crash-bang). I liked the first two, flaws and all, but the third is best so far and I can't wait to get my hands on the next two (especially the shark-mouth with the replacement canopies included).

[blue steel]

I'm more with Kev on this one although I understand that it's a great gesture by Hobby Master and would be difficult to control any other way. I also have the 110's that need the new canopy and will be getting the Sharkmouth. Thing is, will HM be making a higher than average production run of the 'Shark' so that there are enough canopies to go round for the earlier models?

[johnnyboy]

I have so far resisted getting a H/M ME110 but now that Corgi's BoB version will not now be coming out till next year I will be getting the next shark mouth one from H/M, This means I will have a few spare canopy's so if I can help anyone of you out give me a PM:)

[kevjb64]

This works perfectly for me. :)

Getting the corrected greenhouses with the shark mouth release is a very pleasant, unexpected bonus. What other manufacturer would even bother to make corrected parts for previously issued models?

As I see it, Hobby Master is getting new greenhouses out to their loyal Bf-110 collectors in a way that causes the least fuss for both HM and the collectors. Pretty amazing and a jolly good show!

Well interesting view though wrong as some manufacturers in the past have actually gone as far as supplying the whole plane free of charge if it was wrong . :(

[Nimrod48]

I look forward to purchasing the Shark mouth 110 not only because it looks one :cool plane but als to get the corrected canopies for the other 110s in my collection & once the crews are (eventually) installed for me they will be as good I can reasonably expect for the money, regarding the antenna array
I imagine it is a compromise between accuracy & child safety laws as I assume all models sold within the EEC have to have a sample submitted for evaluation before being put on sale to the public.:)

[kevjb64]

I look forward to purchasing the Shark mouth 110 not only because it looks one :cool plane but als to get the corrected canopies for the other 110s in my collection & once the crews are (eventually) installed for me they will be as good I can reasonably expect for the money, regarding the antenna array
I imagine it is a compromise between accuracy & child safety laws as I assume all models sold within the EEC have to have a sample submitted for evaluation before being put on sale to the public.:)

Possibly but doubt it , if as most companies do , you have for adult enthusiast ( do not know us childish collectors very well do they :rolleyes: ) or not for below 14 on the box you are covered . The money side rings true and for some it will be an acceptable compromise . :)

[Agent X20]

I imagine it is a compromise between accuracy & child safety laws as I assume all models sold within the EEC have to have a sample submitted for evaluation before being put on sale to the public.:).. as well as the feasibility in getting it to you in one piece..:)

[kevjb64]

.. as well as the feasibility in getting it to you in one piece..:)

Corgi and D.I. have both managed very well so far .:)

[p-51d]

Just seen the pics on MH11 for the sharkmouth 110, looks great impo so i ordered one, it comes with 2 extra canopies not 3, so if anyone wants one let us know.

[johnnyboy]

The same here it will be my first 110 so if you want a spare canopy give me a PM guys

[CFBC]

Latest 110 offering from HM "HA1805 - Messerschmitt Bf-110G4 "3C+LB, Stab I/NJG 4,Willi Herget, Shark Mouth" has now been potographed and can be seen in the Manufacturers Section.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Production/HA1805-7.jpg

More photographs can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=8741)

[CFBC]

Have just updated the Manufacturers Section with better photographs showing the colouring which are much more representative. :)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Production/Revised%20Photographs/HA1805H.jpg

More photographs can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=8741)

Anyone interested in this release? :D

[minter]

not really, just waiting for a plain old BoB green one, preferably sharksmouth, and then a wespen one

[scott]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA1805%20Production/Revised%20Photographs/HA1805H.jpg


Nearly went for the first 3 110 but once i saw this i decided to wait and this will be my first HM 110 along with the next one (cant be bothered to wait for Corgi )

[DCRanger]

Anyone interested in this release? :D

No not really. I've looked at them quite a bit but somehow they just don't appeal to me. I'm in a monority I know.:)

[P51D]

not really, just waiting for a plain old BoB green one, preferably sharksmouth, and then a wespen one


Might be tempted by something like that! None of the 110's so far have really appealed.

[blue steel]

On pre-order and looking forward to it. Do have a soft-spot for the 110....especially with a sharky mouth :D

[david cotton]

Do we have pics of it with wheels up and on its stand :unsure:

[no4mkit]

Like the sharkmouth, but they need to check the orientation of the stbd tail fin swazi - off about 20 degrees!

...such a nitpicker... :rolleyes: :LOL:

[Scottuk]

I have the first 3 but I'm not sure about this one, probably need to see it in the flesh:D

[Red 2]

Book your BOMBER COMMAND DAY ticket by the 31st of July and you could win this 110 in the last of the early bookers' promotions!

Go on......:)

[goodfella]

I Really Really Want an Me110, and like the look of all the HM versions, BUT not one has jumped out and said buy me, I have not seen any in the flesh, only on the net. I am holding back & I don't know why?:confused: Such dilema:wacko:
I think I can wait and see what the Corgi BOB one is like.

[P51D]

I Really Really Want an Me110, and like the look of all the HM versions, BUT not one has jumped out and said buy me, I have not seen any in the flesh, only on the net. I am holding back & I don't know why?:confused: Such dilema:wacko:
I think I can wait and see what the Corgi BOB one is like.

Thing is you can't really see any of them being difficult to obtain in the future (if you suddenly decided one of them is a must have :) ) Only difference is that they will most likely be cheaper!

I am sure either HM or Corgi will bring one out soon though that we will be prepared to pay (close!) to MRRP for :D

[Red 2]

I Really Really Want an Me110, and like the look of all the HM versions, BUT not one has jumped out and said buy me, I have not seen any in the flesh, only on the net. I am holding back & I don't know why?:confused: Such dilema:wacko:
I think I can wait and see what the Corgi BOB one is like.

Might have a long wait.:(

Personally am going for HM and , if Corgi produce a better 110, I'll be in their queue as well!:)

[spinnaker987]

I Really Really Want an Me110, and like the look of all the HM versions, BUT not one has jumped out and said buy me, I have not seen any in the flesh, only on the net. I am holding back & I don't know why?:confused: Such dilema:wacko:
I think I can wait and see what the Corgi BOB one is like.

I'm the same - the only scheme to date that has tempted me is the sharkmouth one, and even that doesn't excite me overly :-/

I also wonder if my lack of enthusiasm is because it is a later version - maybe the Corgi earlier version will inspire me (if and when it arrives!)?

[blue steel]

I think your recent posts re: ME110 have said alot. The HM models are very nice and this will be my 4th but the 'early' versions of the 110 have that extra something due to the B of B and probably the 'Airfix' kit too! Either way a desert scheme looks particularly good on a 110 (IMPO) so here's hoping......:)

[p-51d]

I Really Really Want an Me110, and like the look of all the HM versions, BUT not one has jumped out and said buy me, I have not seen any in the flesh, only on the net. I am holding back & I don't know why?:confused: Such dilema:wacko:
I think I can wait and see what the Corgi BOB one is like.

They look very impressive in the flesh IMPO, as for the Corgi, no pre-pro's or info of any kind, it's as if they don't care about pre-orders IMPO.

[kevjb64]

They look very impressive in the flesh IMPO, as for the Corgi, no pre-pro's or info of any kind, it's as if they don't care about pre-orders IMPO.

I think with the crew and new greenhouse , a very good model is about to get better . :)

[Red 2]

They look very impressive in the flesh IMPO, as for the Corgi, no pre-pro's or info of any kind, it's as if they don't care about pre-orders IMPO.

Corgi's model is apparently still a long way off and without starting thread drift that will cause Admin overexcitement, I think they have a lot of catching up to do in every sense.

The 110 market is currently being very well addressed by HM. Not to say that a Corgi model wouldn't succeed, just that HM will undoudtedly benefit from being first off the blocks and, given the price point, the HM is actually a very good model.

No offence to the shorted one, HM etc. but I think this is one model that looks better in the flesh than in photos.:)

[Cardinal]

Corgi's model is apparently still a long way off and without starting thread drift that will cause Admin overexcitement, I think they have a lot of catching up to do in every sense.

The 110 market is currently being very well addressed by HM. Not to say that a Corgi model wouldn't succeed, just that HM will undoudtedly benefit from being first off the blocks and, given the price point, the HM is actually a very good model.

No offence to the shorted one, HM etc. but I think this is one model that looks better in the flesh than in photos.:)


It's good to have your balanced opinion Red 2. None of the HM Me110s have thus far appealed to me (based only on photos) and I've been hoping that the Corgi version will be what I'm looking for.

I have to admit though that I'm becoming extremely skeptical in general as to Corgi's future given the increased quality, better pricing and innovation from competitors like HM that seem to have taken a large portion of the market. I'm becoming increasingly impressed by the range and quality of HM's products and am finding myself allocating an increasing amount of diecast financial resources in their direction (CW is also starting to have an effect although I still think they're a tad overpriced.)

I'm starting to think that by the time Corgi get their act together the diecast 'boat' will have sailed without their shipment ... :(

[Red 2]

It's good to have your balanced opinion Red 2. None of the HM Me110s have thus far appealed to me (based only on photos) and I've been hoping that the Corgi version will be what I'm looking for.

... :(

Difficult I know but if you can see the HM 110 in the flesh, it might just change your mind. :)

[Scottuk]

I have to agree with what has been said already. I wasn't too keen on the HM 110 until I saw the first one "in the flesh", I have all 3 so far and am waiting to see the fourth one before buying. As for Corgi/Hornby 110, I wouldn't hold your breath on this. I've just cancelled ALL my Corgi pre-orders due to their inability to let the customer know what is happening (that and the fiasco over the 500/150/0 freebies from the voucher scheme).

[Sailor.]

I bought this one, just to stop mi' Lanc and Halibag gunners from nodding off in their turrets. The photos are top notch but the real thing is much better, looks quiete sleek, potent and menacing.... and I'm no big fan of things Hunnish.
http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=7877

[Abbevilleslayer]

Do you think they will do an all black "Falck"?

[CFBC]

Do you think they will do an all black "Falck"?

Funny you should ask/say... Get your idea's in quick Abbe and ANY photo's you may have!!! ;) :)

[goodfella]

Sorry to say that I have NOT pre-ordered the Corgi 110 either:( or any of their future releases, @ one time I bought the lot :confused: Looking back I guess they were the No1 choice? But other firms have given them a good run for your money.
I will take you guy's advise and see one in the flesh to decide, If your right then me's purchase me thinks:D

[Abbevilleslayer]

Hey William, how about this one, Please?:)

[Abbevilleslayer]

I would prefer the one that has the all red shark mouth! I just don't know where to go to get good color profile pics?????:)

[spinnaker987]

Hey William, how about this one, Please?:)

Now that one I like - would definitely purchase an "All Black" one! (Sorry, a very poor pun, probably only appreciated by rugby fans!)

[no4mkit]

Oh Faulk, I'd like that one too! ;)

Prob is that's the earlier mk (most notable difference is the engines) which HM isn't doing. Corgi is....one day.......we hope....

[KO-B]

Hey William, how about this one, Please?:)

Sold!

KO-B

[kevjb64]

Oh Faulk, I'd like that one too! ;)

Prob is that's the earlier mk (most notable difference is the engines) which HM isn't doing. Corgi is....one day.......we hope....

Thats an F-4 version isn't it No.4mkit ?? Different engines , rudders as well I think from the G .:)

[Abbevilleslayer]

Sorry guys. You know way more about the 110 than I certainly do. But I really want an all black 110 to fight it out with all the other black fighters!!!!:D

[kevjb64]

Sorry guys. You know way more about the 110 than I certainly do. But I really want an all black 110 to fight it out with all the other black fighters!!!!:D

IF Cornby do a C then they could most probably do an F-4 as I think the engines housing was the same on the DB601 as the 601F , the 601B engine had a different shape . The F-4 also had an interior set up for a 3 man crew not a 2 .:)

[parsig9]

I just don't know where to go to get good color profile pics?????:)



Ever see this? You'll need a few hours to browse.:D

8 pages of German ones and a few others. http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/318/2

[Abbevilleslayer]

Hi Parsig, thanks for the site but nothing comes up????:wacko: :confused:

[parsig9]

Hi Parsig, thanks for the site but nothing comes up????:wacko: :confused:


Works for me! Here try this. It's Russian in origin and loads slowly.

http://wp.scn.ru/

Here is an example of the odd ones they have profiles of:

[Abbevilleslayer]

Ok, there we go. Cool!!!!! Maybe I was just having a small problem with my internet. Very awesome site, Thanks!!!:cool

[Abbevilleslayer]

Oh Faulk, I'd like that one too! ;)

Prob is that's the earlier mk (most notable difference is the engines) which HM isn't doing. Corgi is....one day.......we hope....

Hi no4, I believe it is the E-1 used by Falck in the Netherlands during June of 1941.

[ZS-VAN]

Now that one I like - would definitely purchase an "All Black" one! (Sorry, a very poor pun, probably only appreciated by rugby fans!)

I'm sure there wouldn't be a problem on here mate. On the other side of the pond? Well, that would be another matter entirely.

[MiGAlley]

I bought this one, just to stop mi' Lanc and Halibag gunners from nodding off in their turrets. The photos are top notch but the real thing is much better, looks quiete sleek, potent and menacing.... and I'm no big fan of things Hunnish.
http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=7877

I really like this scheme, but the canopy and plasticky exhausts kill it for me - the Ixo version has much narrower canopy struts, which suit it much better than these heavy-handed ones. I'm a real nightfighter buff, but somehow these miss the spot for me.

Still, the new canopies might have improved matters somewhat - has anyone got any pictures of the second and third releases with the new canopies that came with the fourth release? Thanks!

[von hitchofen]

how long will it take Cornby to do a Iraqi Bf110 - 2015 anyone....nice bit o' desert kit :D

[Cruver Collecter]

Works for me! Here try this. It's Russian in origin and loads slowly.

http://wp.scn.ru/

Here is an example of the odd ones they have profiles of:

The Iraqui version would be a good mod for the IXO Bf 110 with the extended tail fuselage section.

[Abbevilleslayer]

Do any of you fellas like this one?
G9+AA
Geschwaderkommodore Oberst Hans-Joachim Jabs
On 29 April 1944 his Bf 110G-4 night fighter was caught on a daylight air test by a flight of Spitfires from 132 Squadron, RAF,
led by 15-kill ace Wing Commander Geoffrey Page.
In a desperate dog fight Jabs managed to down two Spitfires before deliberately force landing and scrambling for cover before his aircraft was destroyed by strafing.

[no4mkit]

I'd go for that one Abbeyville provided they do a good job of the paint scheme.

[P51D]

I really like this scheme, but the canopy and plasticky exhausts kill it for me - the Ixo version has much narrower canopy struts, which suit it much better than these heavy-handed ones. I'm a real nightfighter buff, but somehow these miss the spot for me.

Still, the new canopies might have improved matters somewhat - has anyone got any pictures of the second and third releases with the new canopies that came with the fourth release? Thanks!

Never thought I would go for an IXO over an HM :eek: but have to say I agree with you for the reasons you stated (canopy, overall look)

Paintwork on HM obviously vastly better then IXO as you would expect but the overall look just isn't there (yet) for me.

[Abbevilleslayer]

OR?

1943, June 22 - Messerschmitt Bf 110G-4 - Venlo, Netherlands
Geschwaderkommodore Major Wolfgang Falck

[William]

Hi,

A couple of photos showing bombs attached.

William

[Nimrod48]

Hi,

A couple of photos showing bombs attached.

William

Looking good William many thanks for the pics :)

[DCRanger]

Does look good if a little overloaded? Will the production model come with bombs, rocket tubes and fuel tanks? If so will they be detachable?

[William]

Does look good if a little overloaded? Will the production model come with bombs, rocket tubes and fuel tanks? If so will they be detachable?

Yes, they will be detachable.

[Abbevilleslayer]

I have a question for all you fellas, Did the NachtJagd ever carry the rocket tubes for night Ops? And if so, Did they ever fire them at the night raiders?

I know they were intended for day raiders. I'm guessing they might not have been as acurate as during the day.:confused:

[Grim Reaper]

I have a question for all you fellas, Did the NachtJagd ever carry the rocket tubes for not Ops? And if so, Did they ever fire them?

I know they were intended for day raiders. I'm guessing they might not have been as acurate as during the day.:confused:

What is not Ops Abbe

[leeG]

I have a question for all you fellas, Did the NachtJagd ever carry the rocket tubes for night Ops? And if so, Did they ever fire them at the night raiders?

I know they were intended for day raiders. I'm guessing they might not have been as acurate as during the day.:confused:

The use of rockets was as a daylight stand-off weapon to break up the tight bomber box-formations and scatter the bombers so they no longer enjoyed the protection of mutual fire support that the formations provided. Individual bombers were relatively easy prey.

The night fight was one vs one. The bombers flew singly in a stream, not in formation. The fighter was directed to the target by ground control then used its own airborne radar to stealthily close to canon range.

So the answer to your question is no.

[ACES]

Picked up my first BF 110G-4 ''Shark Mouth''and must admit i like it,also all the fittings are a good snug fit..:)

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/KudosPlus/pics/P7290158-1.jpg

[Nimrod48]

Got mine yesterday very nice it is too I have not had a chance to swap the two supplied canopies over yet....that is such a good touch by HM:)

[Daywalker]

Could someone please post some pics with the Sharkmouth BF 110 displayed on the stand? I would love to see that from different angles.

Thanks in advance.

[Red 2]

My one will be stalking the heavies at the BC Day!:D

[ACES]

Could someone please post some pics with the Sharkmouth BF 110 displayed on the stand? I would love to see that from different angles.

Thanks in advance.

Here you go....it looks :cool Enjoy


http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/KudosPlus/pics/P7290162.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/KudosPlus/pics/P7290161.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/KudosPlus/pics/P7290165.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a261/KudosPlus/pics/P7290164.jpg

[david cotton]

I think I will get me one of those when I get back from my trip. This model seems to be getting better and better :)

[ChairmanMilo]

Thank you for the pics, ACES. It's amazing how quickly the fourth HM Bf 110G was released! I remember reading about it for the first time something like a month or two ago. The finish on this one looks great and I think it's very considerate of HM to have included the spare canopies. At long last I can fix the others that I have in my collection :)

After the next two releases - the Swiss-captured version with different radar antennae and the wasp-nosed day fighter with bombs - I wonder what Hobby Master has in store for us?

[p-51d]

Picked up my sharkmouth 110 today from Jumblies, a superb model IMPO, anyone notice the lack of Swastikas on the box , presumably to allow sales in Europe.

[William]

Hi,

Some photos of the next BF 110. The RLM 74 is not correct and it will be changed.

It will also come with pilots.

William

[Cardinal]

Hi,

Some photos of the next BF 110. The RLM 74 is not correct and it will be changed.

It will also come with pilots.

William


Superb!

I no longer collect 1/72 WWII fighters but this will be my first HM Bf/Me110 (it's a two engined 1/72 so I can still collect it given that it could be classified as a 'heavy' :o :D).

William, when can I pre-order this in 1/48 (together with the Ju88)? :cool: :) ;) :D

[kevjb64]

Very nice , looks to be in with a shout of the best yet . The mold looks so much better without the very cheapo looking plastic radar . :)

[William]

Superb!

I no longer collect 1/72 WWII fighters but this will be my first HM Bf/Me110 (it's a two engined 1/72 so I can still collect it given that it could be classified as a 'heavy' :o :D).

William, when can I pre-order this in 1/48 (together with the Ju88)? :cool: :) ;) :D

1/48? Will look very nice indeed.

William

[Cardinal]

1/48? Will look very nice indeed.

William


William, are you hinting that there may one day be a Bf/Me110 in 1/48 scale from the 'meister' of the hobby ...?

(I'll pre-order right now if that's the case :) :) :) :D.)

[William]

William, are you hinting that there may one day be a Bf/Me110 in 1/48 scale from the 'meister' of the hobby ...?

(I'll pre-order right now if that's the case :) :) :) :D.)

There are quite a bit of other ubjects that worth doing in 1/48 I believe in the near future.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[CFBC]

Hi,

Some photos of the next BF 110. The RLM 74 is not correct and it will be changed.

It will also come with pilots.

William

Looks very nice William. Will be looking forward to it's release. :)

Here also is a photograph I have (old one I acquired sometime ago and lost, but during my office clear-up have found. ;) :cool

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/ME110.jpg

It is enscribed on the back, 110G-2 II/2G 1, Montecorvino, Italy - 1943. Just to show the "Wespe (Wasp)" Nose Art... :cool

[Grim Reaper]

William are you trying to bankrupt me :LOL: what with Me110`s and the Beaufighters plus all the others HM are producing I don`t think it will take to long :LOL:

[Abbevilleslayer]

:D I love that color wartime photo, Thanks!!!!!

[Cruver Collecter]

I wonder if the folks at HM might consider going with the four MG17 machine gun nose armament on the Wespen version as apposed to the twin MK108 cannon.

[Abbevilleslayer]

Well, why don't you ask William. It's getting close enough to Christmas.:D

[William]

I wonder if the folks at HM might consider going with the four MG17 machine gun nose armament on the Wespen version as apposed to the twin MK108 cannon.

Hi Curver,

Our "Wespe" is based on the drawing of the Walk Around Book P. 72.

I am taking a closer look of everything. The general opinion is that the Wespe should have an earlier smooth nose with 4 machine guns (photo attached).

The drawing in p.72 seems to indicate a late nose version.

Will let you know our decision later on.

William

[ZS-VAN]

That does look good. :cool

[Grizzly Adams]

If it has that early nose i'll have one. Looks muchos cool, classic Me110!

[leeG]

Hi Curver,

Our "Wespe" is based on the drawing of the Walk Around Book P. 72.

I am taking a closer look of everything. The general opinion is that the Wespe should have an earlier smooth nose with 4 machine guns (photo attached).

The drawing in p.72 seems to indicate a late nose version.

Will let you know our decision later on.

William

I have that reference, and to my old eyes the profile on page 72 definitely shows machine guns, not canons.

[Cruver Collecter]

Hi Curver,

Our "Wespe" is based on the drawing of the Walk Around Book P. 72.

I am taking a closer look of everything. The general opinion is that the Wespe should have an earlier smooth nose with 4 machine guns (photo attached).

The drawing in p.72 seems to indicate a late nose version.

Will let you know our decision later on.

William

The four MG17 armament configurations is most likely the best way to go on this one. From what I can dig up the Mk108 30mm cannon was based on an RLM requirement for cannon to be used against bombers and just does not fit in with ground support role. It also seems unlikely that either fighter bomber or Zerstörer variants having the enlarged vertical stabilizers and feel that this may have been associated with the night fighter variants. I just found a photo of the first HM Bf 110 release that gives a better view of the tail planes on this aircraft, and it definitely looks like it has the earlier style vertical stabilizers/rudder configuration (Though it does have the later style canopy arrangement). Squadron Bf 110 in action series a nice color plate of this first HM Bf 110, but does not match up canopy and rudder assembly with actual photo of same plane in issue.

[Abbevilleslayer]

I have been waiting for the right price to pop up for me to buy HobbyMaster's 110 and I got it!!! My first HM 110 is Schnaufer's and man is it Gorgeous!!!! I have always loved the 110 but man did HM do a stand up job. Next will be Martin Drewes' 110 and then of course the rest of the HM lineup of 110's.:D :D

[andrewvft]

I sure hope HM will expand into the earlier variants of the Bf-110. I'm confident Corgi will screw up the 110C leaving collectors on the loser end of the table if HM doesn't save us:)

[kevjb64]

I sure hope HM will expand into the earlier variants of the Bf-110. I'm confident Corgi will screw up the 110C leaving collectors on the loser end of the table if HM doesn't save us:)

Up to date Corgi's Luftwaffe offerings have been very very good , of course they may well mess up the 110 as you say but at least they know they can get the cockpit glasshouse wrong ( then decide to update but not correct it:rolleyes: at your cost ) , not put in pilots ( then do pilot packs at your cost ) and still have some people arguing over the rudder size without anyone saying too much . Fortunately the C does not have large radar to naff up .

If this is the case it will allow the large number of Corgi diehards ( awful scoundrels you know ) on here and MHII to say " not bad for a first effort " , " at least its cheap " ( nope sorry wrong on that one :rolleyes: ) , " what about when company x did that to model y 4 years ago , don't you remember that `!! " . :rolleyes: All in all I am looking forward to the usual bunfights , its been a while since Corgi brought anything out and we had a proper open debate without all the PC and bias that goes with some other companies . ;)

[Red 2]

I sure hope HM will expand into the earlier variants of the Bf-110. I'm confident Corgi will screw up the 110C leaving collectors on the loser end of the table if HM doesn't save us:)

Wouldn't be so confident that Corgi will screw up...the latter Corgi Lufty releases have been very good and certainly more than a match for HM standards.

If Corgi do the 110 justice as they did with the He111, Ju 87,Ju88 and Ju52, it will be a model worth having in any Luftwaffe collection. Yes, HM have the market to themselves at the moment but their 110 does have flaws and I think there is still room for a really good, detailed early 110. Would also like a later variant with better scaled radar antennae...but beggars can't be choosers at the moment! Off to play with my Sharksmouth...

[andrewvft]

I'm guessing their new 110 mold is going to end up like their new P-51B mold or the same quality issues of what looks like their upcoming A-4. God knows what sort of price tag they are going to put on it too...

[Red 2]

I'm guessing their new 110 mold is going to end up like their new P-51B mold or the same quality issues of what looks like their upcoming A-4. God knows what sort of price tag they are going to put on it too...

I wouldn't right off the 110...with accurate research (and Corgi is now taking that very seriously and using people who really know their stuff in specialist fields) and the right manufacturing base, any Corgi model that is a new tooling from now on has the potential to be a good one. And an early 110 has some cracking possibilities for schemes.....:)

A place for a HM and Corgi 110 if they are both clever about what they do.

[Garethster]

HM have still got a long way to go before I will even think of spending any lucre on their Me-110. I'm not sure if the pics of it are accurate but the HM Me-110 leaves me kind of cold; it just doesn't look right to me, and in particular I don't care for the deer antler antennae arrays (way to thick :eek: ).

Past Corgi Luftwaffe offerings in general have been very good, and I'm hoping they can follow up with some more excellent castings - the Swordfish, Lysander and newer moulds are terrific examples of what they are capable of.

So for now I will leave my money on the hound.

[kevjb64]

HM have still got a long way to go before I will even think of spending any lucre on their Me-110. I'm not sure if the pics of it are accurate but the HM Me-110 leaves me kind of cold; it just doesn't look right to me, and in particular I don't care for the deer antler antennae arrays (way to thick :eek: ).

Past Corgi Luftwaffe offerings in general have been very good, and I'm hoping they can follow up with some more excellent castings - the Swordfish, Lysander and newer moulds are terrific examples of what they are capable of.

So for now I will leave my money on the hound.

Good for you , the HM mafia will not be happy but you happen to be correct , not that that will worry them , INCOMING !! :rolleyes:

[Garethster]

INCOMING !! :rolleyes:


Donning flak jacket....heading for bomb shelter now :D

[dilligafocau]

Good for you , the HM mafia will not be happy but you happen to be correct , not that that will worry them , INCOMING !! :rolleyes:

Are you hoping Corgi's Me-110 is the one to 'Make you an offer you can't refuse' ?? :)

Have'nt really looked that seriously at HM's 110 yet, the upcoming Wespe, Wasp, stinger thingy one is quite eye catching though. Will probably look at this one on its release :unsure:

[Garethster]

Are you hoping Corgi's Me-110 is the one to 'Make you an offer you can't refuse' ?? :)

Have'nt really looked that seriously at HM's 110 yet, the upcoming Wespe, Wasp, stinger thingy one is quite eye catching though. Will probably look at this one on its release :unsure:

I haven't written off HM entirely but their Me-110 hasn't gotten my vote yet. We shall see if they can improve on the initial offerings. Aside from that I really don't care for HM's flimsy and pingy bits - Corgi's are way more sturdy.

[leeG]

Up to date Corgi's Luftwaffe offerings have been very very good , of course they may well mess up the 110 as you say but at least they know they can get the cockpit glasshouse wrong ( then decide to update but not correct it:rolleyes: at your cost ) , not put in pilots ( then do pilot packs at your cost ) and still have some people arguing over the rudder size without anyone saying too much . Fortunately the C does not have large radar to naff up .

If this is the case it will allow the large number of Corgi diehards ( awful scoundrels you know ) on here and MHII to say " not bad for a first effort " , " at least its cheap " ( nope sorry wrong on that one :rolleyes: ) , " what about when company x did that to model y 4 years ago , don't you remember that `!! " . :rolleyes: All in all I am looking forward to the usual bunfights , its been a while since Corgi brought anything out and we had a proper open debate without all the PC and bias that goes with some other companies . ;)

I hear the Corgi 110C in now due in March 09. Smart of you to start lowering expectations for the model because with all that time for research plus being able to learn from HM's 110 examples there is no excuse for it not being absolutely perfect. Seriously, I'm looking forward to getting it. I've had it on pre-order since December 07. And I have high hopes for the new Corgi. They listened to the collector's and reversed the swastika decision. Listening to collectors just like HM does! It's going to be a wonderful diecast world! :D

[p-51d]

I hear the Corgi 110C in now due in March 09. Smart of you to start lowering expectations for the model because with all that time for research plus being able to learn from HM's 110 examples there is no excuse for it not being absolutely perfect. Seriously, I'm looking forward to getting it. I've had it on pre-order since December 07. And I have high hopes for the new Corgi. They listened to the collector's and reversed the swastika decision. Listening to collectors just like HM does! It's going to be a wonderful diecast world! :D

Well if it is'nt perfect and going by Corgi's past lack of pre-pro's and interaction it won't be, many will buy it out of some kind of one way loyalty. As a new mold i expect HM joint lines now , if it's like the Halifax i'll stay well away BoB or not.

[Scottuk]

Good for you , the HM mafia will not be happy but you happen to be correct , not that that will worry them , INCOMING !! :rolleyes:


Having read the last few posts in this thread I realised something. You don't do irony on here do you?:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[Garethster]

Well if it is'nt perfect and going by Corgi's past lack of pre-pro's and interaction it won't be, many will buy it out of some kind of one way loyalty. As a new mold i expect HM joint lines now , if it's like the Halifax i'll stay well away BoB or not.

For the same reason I won't buy from HM I'll only buy an Me-110 from Corgi if it's done right - I don't believe in brand loyalty.

[Red 2]

I think it is way,way too early to jump to assumptions re Corgi's new 110 tooling. There is a heck of a lot of interaction going on with specialist researchers...yes, they haven't opened up yet to HM's extent (and one can but hope) BUT to assume that a Corgi 110 will automatically be inferior to the HM version(and good as it is, it does , shock horror,have flaws!) is clearly wrong IMPO.

'One way' blind loyalty or the reverse can work across ALL manufacturers and, based on history, ALL are capable of producing stunners and clunkers. If Corgi had produced the HM 110 with the wrong canopy initially and only offered it as a retrofit by buying another new model and then had the deer antlers radar, they would have been absolutely crucified! Remember the furore over the Corgi JU88 cannon or even Gemini over aerials?:LOL:

So, let's be objective and view any manufacturer's models on their merits when they are actually officially released for viewing and view everything in the context of what a model sets out to achieve and at what cost. Otherwise, IMPO, comments end up being based on nothing more than our personal views of manufacturers generally,and as we fall into increasingly predictable pro/anti camps, a discussion ends up being more a case of love/hate ping pong rather than a constructive airing of views.

I have 2 HM 110s (Sharksmouth will be chasing a Lanc at the BC Day complete with its humongous deer antlers radar that does make me cringe a little every time I look at it) and the HM is the best 1/72 110 I can get at whatever price at the moment. With any luck, HM might even correct the radar and a couple of other things BUT I'm still very much looking forward to the Corgi release. Will cost more but if I want a better level of detailing re radar etc, I'll probably have to pay for it. Corgi's 110 business case may not be as good as it was pre HM but, if they do it as good as they can, a Corgi 110 should be a must have in a Lufty collection, alongside the later HM versions.

If HM do earlier 110s, I'll probably wait to see Corgi's offering before committing.

Time will tell and it'll be interesting to see what both HM and Corgi do.

[dilligafocau]

Having read the last few posts in this thread I realised something. You don't do irony on here do you?:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:


Actually.....I just do the washing....the missus does the ironing :D

[Scottuk]

Actually.....I just do the washing....the missus does the ironing :D

So you don't fit the Aussie male stereotype then? I hope your mates down the pub don't find out. :LOL:

I see the thread developing into the usual HM/Corgi slagging match. I will state now for the permanent record. I don't have a brand preference regarding the models themselves, I just don't rate Corgi as a company due to the way it has ripped off it's customers in the past (bit more serious than a replacement canopy issue I think).

Yes I do think the radar ariels are too thick on the HM 110 but I'm sure I read William's comments and explanation somewhere about that (another reason why I prefer HM as a company).

[CFBC]

I see the thread developing into the usual HM/Corgi slagging match.

I do hope not. I am sure we can all be "balanced" here. Whilst I don't mind contructive comments, slanging matches are a no, no. OK! :)

I like to think most collectors would adopt R2's attitude and thoughts? I for one am.... Good post R2.

[P51D]

BUT to assume that a Corgi 110 will automatically be inferior to the HM version(and good as it is, it does , shock horror,have flaws!) is clearly wrong IMPO.



Then perhaps I am just as guilty of assuming quite the opposite :)

I have no loyalty to any one manufacturer, all seem to have their flaws and merrits but personally don't really rate HM's 110. If Corgi's 110 is as good as I hope it will be it will be my first one (not counting my IXO)

[kevjb64]

Are you hoping Corgi's Me-110 is the one to 'Make you an offer you can't refuse' ?? :)

Have'nt really looked that seriously at HM's 110 yet, the upcoming Wespe, Wasp, stinger thingy one is quite eye catching though. Will probably look at this one on its release :unsure:

I think as others have said about a variety of hound stuff , I hope this one comes out of the Swordfish factory and not the P51B factory . :rolleyes: I found HM's version quite annoying in the fact it was a ' so nearly ' mold . :)

[kevjb64]

Actually.....I just do the washing....the missus does the ironing :D

:LOL: :D

[kevjb64]

I think it is way,way too early to jump to assumptions re Corgi's new 110 tooling. There is a heck of a lot of interaction going on with specialist researchers...yes, they haven't opened up yet to HM's extent (and one can but hope) BUT to assume that a Corgi 110 will automatically be inferior to the HM version(and good as it is, it does , shock horror,have flaws!) is clearly wrong IMPO.

'One way' blind loyalty or the reverse can work across ALL manufacturers and, based on history, ALL are capable of producing stunners and clunkers. If Corgi had produced the HM 110 with the wrong canopy initially and only offered it as a retrofit by buying another new model and then had the deer antlers radar, they would have been absolutely crucified! Remember the furore over the Corgi JU88 cannon or even Gemini over aerials?:LOL:

So, let's be objective and view any manufacturer's models on their merits when they are actually officially released for viewing and view everything in the context of what a model sets out to achieve and at what cost. Otherwise, IMPO, comments end up being based on nothing more than our personal views of manufacturers generally,and as we fall into increasingly predictable pro/anti camps, a discussion ends up being more a case of love/hate ping pong rather than a constructive airing of views.

I have 2 HM 110s (Sharksmouth will be chasing a Lanc at the BC Day complete with its humongous deer antlers radar that does make me cringe a little every time I look at it) and the HM is the best 1/72 110 I can get at whatever price at the moment. With any luck, HM might even correct the radar and a couple of other things BUT I'm still very much looking forward to the Corgi release. Will cost more but if I want a better level of detailing re radar etc, I'll probably have to pay for it. Corgi's 110 business case may not be as good as it was pre HM but, if they do it as good as they can, a Corgi 110 should be a must have in a Lufty collection, alongside the later HM versions.

If HM do earlier 110s, I'll probably wait to see Corgi's offering before committing.

Time will tell and it'll be interesting to see what both HM and Corgi do.

Good post . :)

[Sailor.]

:eek: I once bought an IXO 110 for fifty quid! :eek:

[The Defiant Man]

:eek: I once bought an IXO 110 for fifty quid! :eek:

I thought you'd have kept quiet about that......:D (even if we did know;) )

I saw the HM 110 at Harrogate toy fair before it was released. I thought (and still think) that it's ok overall. Have I got one? Nope. Will I? It depends on what Corgi comes up with. Just waiting and seeing......For the moment, my £11.99 IXO :p looks fine in the display......

[Sailor.]

For the moment, my £11.99 IXO :p looks fine in the display......

:p Hope it's bleedin' wings drop off! :p

[Red 2]

:p Hope it's bleedin' wings drop off! :p

Sailor,do we need a Mossie behind the 110 on the BC Day display?:D

[The Defiant Man]

:p Hope it's bleedin' wings drop off! :p

It was the IXO Mossie where that happened!:LOL:

Gawd that was a cr*p model all-round......