HP Victor XM715 "Teasin' Tina" Flys at Bruntingthorpe! [Archive]

highnoon1966

3rd May 2009, 17:42

Just Returned from the Cold War Jets Open Day at Bruntingthorpe having seen the resident HP Victor XM715 conclude it's fast taxi run by becoming airborne about half way down the runway! Returning to earth with a bit of a side drift on due to the wind and ending stationary with just it's tail visible over the crest of the horizon. Amazing! :D :D :D

sniperUK

3rd May 2009, 17:47

shuttle

3rd May 2009, 18:07

Were the throttles temporarily jammed....!

:eek: Shuttle

CFBC

3rd May 2009, 18:16

:cool Any pics anyone? :)

sniperUK

3rd May 2009, 18:20

Pic here mate
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=227&start=125

planejunky

3rd May 2009, 19:36

Martin Bull

3rd May 2009, 19:56

:cool Any pics anyone? :)

Does this help........

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/victor/xm715-banking.jpg

..........? :o

Craig

3rd May 2009, 20:01

I'm not surprised the commentators asked people not to publish photos, as it all amounts to evidence. I reckon they'll need to get their story straight, or brown smelly stuff is about to hit the fan! :eek:
From what's been said it looks like freak weather has played its part, I wasn't there so don't know details but it looks like this was anything but graceful! :eek:

planejunky

3rd May 2009, 20:05

From what's been said it looks like freak weather has played its part, I wasn't there so don't know details but it looks like this was anything but graceful! :eek:

Yeah it certainly looks that way. I reckon some CAA directives for fast taxiing aircraft will be forthcoming too.

highnoon1966

3rd May 2009, 20:13

As you say it was anything but graceful and i'm sure the strong cross wind which had been blowing all day was a major factor in the incident. I'm just glad everyone involved was ok as it could have ended very differently.

planejunky

3rd May 2009, 21:10

The winds have been a factor nearly everywhere today, we were supposed to fly the PT-19 this afternoon but decided not to bother. :(

zed550

3rd May 2009, 21:16

yes it did fly,i do have pics but will be refraining from posting them as requested from the staff at bruntingthorpe.
amazing how there is always one who cant keep quiet when asked politely.

Red 2

3rd May 2009, 21:39

Sadly, you can see the CAA, insurance companies and local licensing authorities being more than a tad interested in this.

Just glad all are safe, that is the important thing. Suspect the future taxi runs may not be so fast....;)

highnoon1966

3rd May 2009, 22:28

yes it did fly,i do have pics but will be refraining from posting them as requested from the staff at bruntingthorpe.
amazing how there is always one who cant keep quiet when asked politely.

As I left Bruntingthorpe shortly after the Victor taxi run was unaware there had been a request made not to mention the incident.

Arno 01

3rd May 2009, 22:42

As I left Bruntingthorpe shortly after the Victor taxi run was unaware there had been a request made not to mention the incident.

I wouldn't worry too much, as I am sure that you are not the only one to mention what happened,luckly it all ended OK, congrats to the crew for getting her down again.
I am sure that in the next few days video will be on you tube and the media will catch on and all those with photos, doing the right thing at the moment, will be the first to sell their soul ( and airbourne Tina pics ) to the Sun for £2,000 :LOL:

Shot of the day any one??:LOL:

Agent X20

3rd May 2009, 22:53

.. all getting really quite silly..... really time to move on.... trouble is as far as aircraft production.... we havent...:mad:

Radlett resident 1959-1962...:wacko:

planejunky

3rd May 2009, 23:13

.. all getting really quite silly..... really time to move on.... trouble is as far as aircraft production.... we havent...:mad:

Radlett resident 1959-1962...:wacko:

Christ, have you been at the Merlot again Agent?! :LOL:

Agent X20

3rd May 2009, 23:30

No need for the blaspheemin there Mr PJ.....:D :D :D

Like a plane rises 40 feet in the air and the CAA is going to clasp everyone conected with it in leg irons... if they do then so be it.. they have pretty much stopped everything else.. Good on the old girl..!!

My prose was that it is such a pity that for you youngsters you really have diddly squat left to look at when it comes to aircraft.... you only have to pop up/down/along to the likes of Cosford to see we will never make planes like this again..

Savour the VC10's whilst they last.....

As for Radlett.. Handley Page.. old froot...... sorry that would have been too subtle for some.... its most probably why I am partially deaf... we then moved into the DeHavilland flightpath.... mmmm all those blo8dy Tridents....:D :D :D

zed550

3rd May 2009, 23:43

was a bit more than 40 feet:(

Red 2

3rd May 2009, 23:58

I doubt very much whether the owners or organisers expected this to be kept off the CAA's radar, simply too big a story.

Thankfully no injuries other than I suspect severely bruised pride. Can see their insurance premiums going up and the undoubted resulting visit from officialdom will no doubt be a joy.

Now, how about, ahem, a fast taxi run of the Dx resident Fw 190....;) :D :LOL:

dilligafocau

4th May 2009, 00:21

As I left Bruntingthorpe shortly after the Victor taxi run was unaware there had been a request made not to mention the incident.

You must have missed this guy at the gate giving people instructions :LOL:

http://thesettlementchannel.squarespace.com/storage/Sargent%20Shultz.jpg

planejunky

4th May 2009, 11:04

Now, how about, ahem, a fast taxi run of the Dx resident Fw 190....;) :D :LOL:

Only if you have the permission of the administrators that now own the aircraft! ;)

johnnyboy

4th May 2009, 12:22

Only if you have the permission of the administrators that now own the aircraft! ;)

From what I have read on another forum it is very unlikely that the Duxford Fw 190 will fly any time soon due to the CAA, There are now so many restriction that would need to be overcome to for it to gain a fit to fly certificate and it would also cost lots of money to do so within the UK

Drew Peacock

4th May 2009, 13:11

.. all getting really quite silly..... really time to move on.... trouble is as far as aircraft production.... we havent...:mad:

Radlett resident 1959-1962...:wacko:

How right you are my freind.And i knew exactly what you meant by the Radlett reference too.My Grandfather worked at Handley Paiges Radlett works in the late 30s/early 1940s and some genuine Halifax rivets remain in my Dads shed!!

As for great aircraft-well,i was watching Farnborough the golden years 1949-59 this morning.Fantastic DVD that brings everything home about exactly how much we have lost...

Wish I d made Bruntingthorpe yesterday.Was seriously considering it,but settled for Cheddar Gorge in the end.

Red 2

4th May 2009, 17:49

Only if you have the permission of the administrators that now own the aircraft! ;)

Administrators? :eek:

I thought the Microsoft chappie owned the 190?

Craig

4th May 2009, 19:15

How right you are my freind.And i knew exactly what you meant by the Radlett reference too.My Grandfather worked at Handley Paiges Radlett works in the late 30s/early 1940s and some genuine Halifax rivets remain in my Dads shed!!

As for great aircraft-well,i was watching Farnborough the golden years 1949-59 this morning.Fantastic DVD that brings everything home about exactly how much we have lost...

Wish I d made Bruntingthorpe yesterday.Was seriously considering it,but settled for Cheddar Gorge in the end.
Yep, same here, accident or not seeing/photting a Victor airbourne would have been quite something, and it'll never happen again. A pity the trouble it will cause, but I still envy those lucky enough tohave seen it :cool

gary ford

5th May 2009, 08:14

I am sure we have all seen it or the roumers abound

Link to pprune

http://www.pprune.org/aviation-history-nostalgia/372553-victor-airborne-2.html

You can pledge a pound if you want to

Sponcers well it can least have a good try and we spent not a lot of dosh on it

Agent X20

5th May 2009, 08:42

CFBC keyboards abound.........:D made my Monday mornin...:D and the market is up 90 points.... interesting link Gary... all those experten....:D

dilligafocau

5th May 2009, 08:50

Im waiting for this to get onto youtube............I promise I will watch the footage wearing a blindfold:rolleyes: .......and the cheques in the mail too :D

Agent X20

5th May 2009, 08:54

... must have been someone with a cine camera...:D

Red 2

5th May 2009, 14:51

Interesting pics on the link. Looks like quite a 'hop' and no real point speculating as to why as I am sure an official investigation will be under way and the results will be known eventually.

What bemuses me is the thought that suppressing pictures or comment would somehow assist the situation. In the modern world, it is impossible to stamp out comment/news and I hope that the requests by officials on the day were made with the right intentions, not to naively hope it would make the news of the incident go quietly away. Indeed,it has probably had quite the opposite effect with more people now curious about what actually went on.:rolleyes:

gary ford

5th May 2009, 14:56

I wonder if Corgi will do a special return to Flight Teasing Tina Victor

Arno 01

5th May 2009, 15:02

Cleaned up the images form PPrune: NOTE, Not My Photos!!
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Arno01/VIC1-1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Arno01/VIC2-1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Arno01/VIC3.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Arno01/VIC4.jpg

Agent X20

5th May 2009, 15:04

... more to the point a Datacroft AA48701 1/144 re-enactment.. as there's such a shortage of photographs*...:rolleyes: ..........just so in future years, millions can say.. 'I was there..' :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

*spooky Mr Arno......

johnnyboy

5th May 2009, 15:31

Better than the couple of pictures I have of the trip :LOL: I hope we can all put forward the pictures that in the of hands forum members at some point;) :LOL:

highnoon1966

5th May 2009, 15:33

Thanks for the pictures Arno 01. They show it in much more detail than i was able to see from my vantage point at the side of the runway. I was positioned adjacent to her as the crew ran her engines up prior to moving off on her "Taxi Run" What an amazing noise her RR conways made as she thundered of up the runway.:D

Blackbox

5th May 2009, 17:35

..............................What bemuses me is the thought that suppressing pictures or comment would somehow assist the situation..........:

And that, I would humbly submit, is likely to be as big a worry to the authorities as the actual 'take-off'. I'm sure any prevailing culture surrounding flight safety and SOPs may be about to get a bit of a prod.

Hopefully, the CAA won't over react and I wish those at Brunty all the best for the future.

planejunky

5th May 2009, 21:02

That is seriously airborne, and looks seriously scary! :eek:

shuttle

5th May 2009, 21:54

I saw the pictures yesterday and essentially it appears to be an aborted take off - very scary. The crew did well to get her back down again. I have read on other forums that the pilot could have done a circuit but would the airframe and systems have been up to it? As to the request to suppress moving and still images I think that it may have been a 'spur of the moment' request which, with hindsight, was a mistake.

I just hope that it doesn't cause any long term grief and something positive comes out of the incident - no fatalities and maybe a wake up call?

Who would have thought we would have 2 different V bombers in the air this year.....!!

:) Shuttle

Jimbo27

5th May 2009, 21:56

I was bemused by the response yesterday, the net was rife with people trying to find out the "secret". Totally counter-productive.

However, I can maybe understand that what the organisers didn't want was hundreds of images appearing as "hey guys, look at this, coool !!!"

It is one thing to make a mistake, probably didn't want to compound it by making it look like an advert for the next run.

NeilD

5th May 2009, 22:32

That is seriously airborne, and looks seriously scary! :eek:

yeah must admit when I opened the pics my thourghts were 'kin 'ell! :eek: I'd imagined it had been just a little 'air under the wheels' or a hop a la Spruce Goose..

spitfire

5th May 2009, 22:59

I understand ths safety points etc, but doesn't that middle photo of the three look just stunning.

Just imagine one of these flying at the airshows, along with the Vulcan eh!

zed550

5th May 2009, 23:09

i'll stick my poor efforts on tomorrow
myself and stinger were up on the bank at the end of the runway,must admit i had sat down and was looking away for a second or two as we had just been sand blasted by the take off.
as soon as i looked up i could'nt believe to see the victor at between 50-100 feet? off the deck halfway down the runway veering off to the left.
as soon as i started taking shots again it was sinking backdown, i was using a 500mm lense at it looked small.
all this happened well away from the public though at least halfway down the runway.
as bruntingthorpe was built for SAC its a 10,000ft runway.

shuttle

5th May 2009, 23:15

Zed,

How much of the ex-SAC runway did the Victor need to get things back under control? It sure looked like an interesting few seconds for the crew though (ex RAF?)

:eek: Shuttle

zed550

5th May 2009, 23:46

i must admit my first thoughts were he was going to have to go round.the point is though the crews who operate the jets at brunty are trained[ex RAF]
they got the situation under control and lessons will be learned.

von hitchofen

6th May 2009, 18:46

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Arno01/VIC3.jpg

fantastic :LOL: :D ...for the Victor fan;) ...love to see one of them in the air again

on of those moments when you find out adrenalin is brown for the crew, tho' :)

zed550

6th May 2009, 19:54

here's my poor efforts[from the far end] shows how far down the runway it happened.
first shot is as he starts to bring it down but imagine a couple of seconds before he was twice that height and veering to the left.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/zed550/victor%20moment/be2aedcc.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/zed550/victor%20moment/9ef90f08.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/zed550/victor%20moment/188b0063.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n243/zed550/victor%20moment/7ed56b49.jpg

CFBC

6th May 2009, 20:00

What camera lens was that then Zed? Someway down the runway and well out of the public I guess....

zed550

6th May 2009, 20:12

500mm sigma [loaned of stinger for part of the day]i use a 400mm tamron normally.

highnoon1966

6th May 2009, 21:03

Looks a far scarier incident when seen from your camera's POV zed550, i hadn't realised how far of line she'd got before touching down.

KO-B

6th May 2009, 22:58

'Incident' aside it looked a cracking day out. Would love to have gone.
Some images of the day on this (http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9298&start=0) forum. Including the you know what.

KO-B