1/48 Corgi Hurricane?

[blue steel]

Seems that the announcements of the HM P-51D Mustang and Spitfire Mk1 are proving interesting. Not saying that Corgi should follow suit but I can't help thinking that if they had planned a 1/48 Hurricane for 2010 it might have been good for them, especially as they have a very nice Bedford QL truck gathering dust in the 1/50 tooling bank that would complement any 1/48 WW2 RAF planes very nicely. Just a thought......and maybe they have :)

[Dutchie]

1:48 Hurricane is my big wish....
sometimes thinking the Hurricane is even more a favorit then the Spitfire:)

[Agent X20]

What..?.. after the 1/32 balls up....

Might get rectified if we see a two blader Mark 1....

[blue steel]

1:48 Hurricane is my big wish....
sometimes thinking the Hurricane is even more a favorit then the Spitfire:)

I think me too.....:)

[Kubikali]

1:48 Hurricane is my big wish....
sometimes thinking the Hurricane is even more a favorit then the Spitfire:)

It certainly is to me...!

[blue steel]

What..?.. after the 1/32 balls up....

Might get rectified if we see a two blader Mark 1....

Well I was only suggesting Guv......:)

[Agent X20]

No worries, their 1/72'er is a lovely little one...:D

This sorta stuff could convert a lot of 1/72'ers...

[no4mkit]

Love Hurricanes, but I'm way too invested in 1/72nd and far too short on space to even consider it.

[blue steel]

No worries, their 1/72'er is a lovely little one...:D

This sorta stuff could convert a lot of 1/72'ers...

Especially if there is a RAF QL to park beside em :cool

[Dutchie]

Let's go for the1:48 HURRICANE ...Blue Steel & Kubikali:cool: :)

[Edward Papazian]

With HM evidently seizing the opportunity afforded by the demise of FM's 1:48th scale line, I suspect that the Hurricane---hopefully including the four canon MK IIC as well as earlier marks----is very high on their list.:)

[The Defiant Man]

With HM evidently seizing the opportunity afforded by the demise of FM's 1:48th scale line, I suspect that the Hurricane---is very high on their list.:)

It should be high on their list....no brainer for HM in 1/48......and Corgi should leave HM to the WWII 48ths (now that HM have got the start of a "range" going).....

[Davidte2007]

:) From all of my 1/48 collection there is only one that i would keep! being a pro-built, MK-22 Spitfire ;) its an absolute dream.

:) now for the rest of the 1/48 collection being from the Franklin Mint range, as follows every Spitfire and Hurricane produced including is it Armour Range as well.:) bar x2. Have all got to go.!!! :eek:

:) Why-? :unsure: For several reasons-

A) Limited display mode (no stand.:mad: )

B) Wheels Down (Fixed.:( )

C) No Pilots.(:( :( )

D) Biggest pain! With no flight mode option they just take up to much room.

:) as for the F.M. Spits the down fall for me are the props (No Need!) but i will say the Hurricane's are very nice indeed you should have a look at them. if 1/48 is your preferd Scale ;) may well be tempted to keep just one Hurricane :D :rolleyes:

:) IMHO, Don't think the hound would enter the realms of 1/48 WWII as to much is going into 1/72 and much to our delight some regeneration into 1/32 :D :D

:) Reckon Corgi/Hornby are happy to stick with WWI 1/48 due to limited demand.

[minter]

It should be high on their list....no brainer for HM in 1/48......and Corgi should leave HM to the WWII 48ths (now that HM have got the start of a "range" going).....

agree, love Hm to do a 1/48 hurri ,a Lacey or Carey one would do just fine :)

[blue steel]

Well, as long as HM/Skymax leave all the 1/72 stuff to Corgi then........:D

[Agent X20]

Well, as long as HM/Skymax leave all the 1/72 stuff to Corgi then........:D

WW2 stuff....

[BSG-75]

The FM Hurricane (I have the IIc "intruder") is very good other than the cannon are very fragile. The rest of it is a very nice model, is there still a market for 1/48th with a lot of FM stock still floating around ?

[blue steel]

WW2 stuff....

Well, business is business so don't care who makes what as long as it is good:)

[Agent X20]

is there still a market for 1/48th

1. Yes... as most folk dont have any 1/48 stuff.
2. If the models are good then they will sell as ironically although we have seen many diecast Spitfires Hurricanes etc, just how many of them would you give five stars to..??. especially a Mark 1 Spitfire... is there a bigger icon..?
3. At the going rate the HM Mk1 will be the same price as the pooch Mark 1. therefore no contest really.... and if the collectorate dont buy em they would get the rest away via catalogues, direct offer 70th anniversary etc.. Good, pretty and resonably priced, you should get at least 25,000 Mark One 1/48 Spitties away this year.. simples.

Its the getting it to market in time....

[BSG-75]

1. Yes... as most folk dont have any 1/48 stuff.
2. If the models are good then they will sell as ironically although we have seen many diecast Spitfires Hurricanes etc, just how many of them would you give five stars to..??. especially a Mark 1 Spitfire... is there a bigger icon..?
3. At the going rate the HM Mk1 will be the same price as the pooch Mark 1. therefore no contest really.... and if the collectorate dont buy em they would get the rest away via catalogues, direct offer 70th anniversary etc.. Good, pretty and resonably priced, you should get at least 25,000 Mark One 1/48 Spitties away this year.. simples.

Its the getting it to market in time....

But apart from that..... ?;) :D

I see your point, the FM range was variable before the paint schemes come into it and I'm a big fan of the HM 1/48th (I only own one though) and Corgi are back on track in quality if the TSR-2 is anything to go by (Ok, different scale) but I have a problem with the pricing and I can't see them doing 1/48th in a price that would match HM.

[minter]

hmmm, a HM MK1 same price as a corgi 1/72, the HM one lots of extra detail, no crappy pilot, its a no brainer,i'll have one of each they produce , so how come corgi cant reduce RRP

[blue steel]

The FM Hurricane (I have the IIc "intruder") is very good other than the cannon are very fragile. The rest of it is a very nice model, is there still a market for 1/48th with a lot of FM stock still floating around ?

I'm certainly not anywhere near qualified to say but HM think there still is so we will see. Main point about Corgi doing a 1/48 Hurricane for the 70th anniversary is that the plane would surely at least 'break-even' and I reckon they could sell a load of their QL trucks too :) (with some figures perhaps as well) After their 1/72 and 1/32 Hurricane offerings I just think it would have been fitting for a 'British' company to release a classic Battle of Britain model in 1/48 scale for the anniversary as I have no doubt that HM's Spitfire will do well (and once you've bought one of those......)

[Cruver Collecter]

The FM Hurricane (I have the IIc "intruder") is very good other than the cannon are very fragile. The rest of it is a very nice model, is there still a market for 1/48th with a lot of FM stock still floating around ?

Not sure what the impact might be with all the FM models still on the market. Still haven't seen any significant dip in the FM line. So if given a choice of shelling out $55.00 for a new HM Spitfire mold or $70.00 plus for an older FM version, hmmmn pretty easy call there. With Hobby Master prices going for less than the older FM stock, just don't see FM having that large of an impact.

[Davidte2007]

Not sure what the impact might be with all the FM models still on the market. Still haven't seen any significant dip in the FM line. So if given a choice of shelling out $55.00 for a new HM Spitfire mold or $70.00 plus for an older FM version, hmmmn pretty easy call there. With Hobby Master prices going for less than the older FM stock, just don't see FM having that large of an impact.

:) Well, see and agree with much of what you say Cruver ;) but please correct me,if im wrong.! but havent F.M. pulled the plug on WWII infact on all its aviation production line-? :unsure:

:) If so, ok an op for another manufacture to step in and fill the gap.! :rolleyes:

:) But then if the above is true :D and nobody want's a slice ;) then put into laymens terms and as a collective and a collectors point of view :)

:) No more Franklin Mint Production = increased price on second hand market,
no need to state the obviouse and why!
but i see that the reason as to why the price will always beat H.M. :eek: for a long time to come of course thats only MHO. but from a collecters point of view somthing we may all agree with-? ;)

[p-51d]

hmmm, a HM MK1 same price as a corgi 1/72, the HM one lots of extra detail, no crappy pilot, its a no brainer,i'll have one of each they produce , so how come corgi cant reduce RRP
A Corgi Hurricane would cost £60 and be a fish out of water range wise, much better to spend the dough on the 2011 Stirling mould IMPO.

[blue steel]

A Corgi Hurricane would cost £60 and be a fish out of water range wise, much better to spend the dough on the 2011 Stirling mould IMPO.

But that would be a very slow seller especially after the typical dark green and earth' and/or Arthur Aaron VC.....and if not a 1/48 Hurricane (fair point by the way) much better to spend it on something that they can knock out in multiple schemes IMHO. As soon as most have got one 'typical' Stirling they wont bother with many after that and will be calling for other 'ambitious' types such as the Hampden or Whitley

[Cruver Collecter]

:) Well, see and agree with much of what you say Cruver ;) but please correct me,if im wrong.! but havent F.M. pulled the plug on WWII infact on all its aviation production line-? :unsure:

:) If so, ok an op for another manufacture to step in and fill the gap.! :rolleyes:

:) But then if the above is true :D and nobody want's a slice ;) then put into laymens terms and as a collective and a collectors point of view :)

:) No more Franklin Mint Production = increased price on second hand market,
no need to state the obviouse and why!
but i see that the reason as to why the price will always beat H.M. :eek: for a long time to come of course thats only MHO. but from a collecters point of view somthing we may all agree with-? ;)

You are absolutely correct about Franklin Mint no longer being in the aircraft model market. With regards to the US Market, there is a few auctions going on right now from Perry's huge stash of models. So could be looking at even more FM products being available on the market. Of the three high ticket 1/48th scale producers (Eagles International, Carousel 1 and Franklin Mint.), just never thought FM line measured up to the other two quality wise, even though they were priced similarly to the C1 models. I only have three FM models and always have looked at them being more Stand Off Scale, that being if you stand way off they look pretty good.:D

[Davidte2007]

You are absolutely correct about Franklin Mint (Cheers C.C. was :unsure: not now! ;) )

Stand Off Scale, that being if you stand way off they look pretty good.:D


:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :D :cool Yeh! Spits :rolleyes:

:D But still think the Hurricane looks spiffing old chap.;)

[The Defiant Man]

A Corgi Hurricane would cost £60 and be a fish out of water range wise, much better to spend the dough on the 2011 Stirling mould IMPO.

Totally agree.....

:eek: :D

much better to spend it on something that they can knock out in multiple schemes IMHO. As soon as most have got one 'typical' Stirling they wont bother with many after that

A bit like the TSR.2.....

[Cruver Collecter]

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :D :cool Yeh! Spits :rolleyes:

:D But still think the Hurricane looks spiffing old chap.;)

Have never owned one of the FM Hurricanes, but from the photos they do look pretty neat. I would still like to see a new tooling in 1/48th scale for the Hurricane. Even FM only did thirteen of these.

[blue steel]

Totally agree.....

:eek: :D



A bit like the TSR.2.....

There could be a way around the first point but I understand the concerns. Are you agreeing with the Stirling 'investment' or saying that the TSR.2 is not a great choice over the longer-term? Sorry if I'm being a thicko :D Ta :)

[Upkeep]

Myself, I'd be happier if Corgi took the funds that they may shove into the development of a 1:48 Hurricane and put it towards the Stirling development. I think Corgi should stay out of 1:48 (outside of their WWI stuff), at least during this soft economy. Maybe later.

Stirling now.

/U ;)

[KO-B]

Well I'd have a 1/48th Hurri, although I'd rather see a really good IIc in 1/72nd first. Agree with those that say that Corgi should stay out of this scale. Price being one of the main reasons. HM would do a decent - if not perfect - 1/48th Hurricane for the same price as one of Corgi's 1/72nd fighters.

KO-B

[blue steel]

So, Corgi 1/48 WW1 'OK' (no-one else does them) 1/72 Heavies 'OK' (no-one else does them) 1/32 WW2 Brits/Jerry/US 'OK' too (limited alternative choice) 1/72 and 1/48 choppers 'OK' (limited choice from others, make that maybe one?).......mmmmm, all sounds rather familiar. Seems to me that if others dare not tread (in the main) where Corgi have then it's a 'great idea' for Corgi to continue with these lines but woe betide them (and for whatever reason) if Corgi choose to have a little dabble in something else that is considered 'unfamiliar' territory

[KO-B]

Well if Corgi want to dabble in 1/48th WW2 then good luck to them, but I just don't think they'd be competitive with HM on price. I'd sooner see them stick to what I personally think they're best at for now, such as 1/72nd heavies and mediums and upgrading/replacing some of their early 1/72nd releases.
No reason at all why they shouldn't go 1/48th at some point, I suppose, but I've a feeling they'd be £45-£50 models at least. Don't know, maybe people would be happy to pay that?:unsure: Still, cheaper than the RRP of the departed EI or C1 ranges. For me certainly they'd be maybe "one or two" rather than "must have the lot" models.
But then I could be talking a load of old b@lls.
Wouldn't be the first time...:( ;)

KO-B

[sniperUK]

If Corgi went into the 1/48th WW2 range where does the development money come from? They have a limited budget at the minute for this allowing them 5-6 new castings a year so if you are putting the development funds into 1/48 you would want at least two models in the range so that limits models to your core market two four ,if you add a 1/48th WW1 model it cuts the 1/72 releases to three for the year,1 modern,1 helo and 1 WW2 ,I can hear the complaints stating now.

[blue steel]

Amazing how a mere 'suggestion' (and that is all it was) that Corgi might have considered a 1/48 Hurricane for the 70th anniversary has been blown out of all proportion. I mean, I'd have really hated it if they may have seen this as an opportunity to offer a nice Battle of Britain model to the British 'public' (couldn't think of a better time really) at the expense of starving investment against what the 'majority' demand. Corgi Hurricane, Bedford QL tanker and figures in a set as well as available seperately. Well, it sounds okay to me anyway and it was just a thought rather than a demand

[blue steel]

If Corgi went into the 1/48th WW2 range where does the development money come from? They have a limited budget at the minute for this allowing them 5-6 new castings a year so if you are putting the development funds into 1/48 you would want at least two models in the range so that limits models to your core market two four ,if you add a 1/48th WW1 model it cuts the 1/72 releases to three for the year,1 modern,1 helo and 1 WW2 ,I can hear the complaints stating now.

Against a WW1 model :confused: Sorry Sniper, I know you really know your stuff but a Hurricane against WW1 for 2010 would win every time. PS Oxford Diecast are releasing some RUC Land Rovers this year :)

[KO-B]

Amazing how a mere 'suggestion' (and that is all it was) that Corgi might have considered a 1/48 Hurricane for the 70th anniversary has been blown out of all proportion. I mean, I'd have really hated it if they may have seen this as an opportunity to offer a nice Battle of Britain model to the British 'public' (couldn't think of a better time really) at the expense of starving investment against what the 'majority' demand. Corgi Hurricane, Bedford QL tanker and figures in a set as well as available seperately. Well, it sounds okay to me anyway and it was just a thought rather than a demand

And it was a good thought - I certainly wouldn't decry Corgi if they announced one, particularly presented as you suggested, but as a range I think 1/48th WW2 might be a step too far for them at the moment, for many of the reasons sniper outlined.

KO-B

[blue steel]

And it was a good thought - I certainly wouldn't decry Corgi if they announced one, particularly presented as you suggested, but as a range I think 1/48th WW2 might be a step too far for them at the moment, for many of the reasons sniper outlined.

KO-B

Thanks KO-B, appreciate the comment ;) . This was also suggested as a 'one-off' for this special year and certainly not as the start of a range - sorry if I didn't make it clearer. That said.......Hawker Hunter and Bedford.......:D
PS I'm a 1/72 collector in the main :)

[KO-B]

Thanks KO-B, appreciate the comment ;) . This was also suggested as a 'one-off' for this special year and certainly not as the start of a range - sorry if I didn't make it clearer. That said.......Hawker Hunter and Bedford.......:D
PS I'm a 1/72 collector in the main :)

No worries. It would've helped if I'd read your opening post properly as well rather than plunged in in an effort add my own comments.:)

It has got me thinking again that I'd love to see some suitable accessories to accompany the aircraft we collect. I won't harp on too much as its' been covered elswhere and I don't want to hijack your thread, but something like the Airfix refuelling/emergency sets, in diecast, with (painted) figures would be great. Post war stuff as well, too, of course.

KO-B

[blue steel]

No worries. It would've helped if I'd read your opening post properly as well rather than plunged in in an effort add my own comments.:)

It has got me thinking again that I'd love to see some suitable accessories to accompany the aircraft we collect. I won't harp on too much as its' been covered elswhere and I don't want to hijack your thread, but something like the Airfix refuelling/emergency sets, in diecast, with (painted) figures would be great. Post war stuff as well, too, of course.

KO-B

I have a feeling that the vehicles will come sooner rather than later. Don't worry about hijacking mate, we're all talking about stuff we love and feel passionate about - the more the merrier!

[The Defiant Man]

There could be a way around the first point but I understand the concerns. Are you agreeing with the Stirling 'investment' or saying that the TSR.2 is not a great choice over the longer-term? Sorry if I'm being a thicko :D Ta :)

More a case of a 1/48 Hurri wouldn't fit into Corgi's range as well as a Stirling would.....just as a 1/72 Stirling wouldn't fit into HM's range/market. Corgi do great heavies and HM do great 1/48 fighters.....stick to what you're good at......

As for the TSR.2.......I hope they've covered their costs with the 1st release:unsure: ......because not many folks (in the overall scheme of things) will be buying multiples......

[blue steel]

More a case of a 1/48 Hurri wouldn't fit into Corgi's range as well as a Stirling would.....just as a 1/72 Stirling wouldn't fit into HM's range/market. Corgi do great heavies and HM do great 1/48 fighters.....stick to what you're good at......

As for the TSR.2.......I hope they've covered their costs with the 1st release:unsure: ......because not many folks (in the overall scheme of things) will be buying multiples......

Well, you could say that about alot of things really. That's like saying Corgi shouldn't consider a 1/48 Hunter as HM have done a 1/48 Panther. They make diecast so should have the option of doing what they feel rather than pigeon-holing them all the time :)

[Edward Papazian]

With HM probably trying to "corner" the 1:48th scale market, this poses an interesting "strategic" question for Corgi. Should it compete with HM in this arena? Or should Corgi concede the 1:48th scale---except for WWI birds-----and compete with HM in areas where it is in a far stronger position, namely mediums and biggies? I think it is more sensible for Corgi to avoid needless duplication and competitive pricing issues by doing a Stirling and other much requested WWII bombers. Among these would be the A-20, A-26, Hudson, Whitley, etc. I would also go preemptively in the "German direction", with planes such as the ME-410, FW-189, Arado 196 and, even, the HE-219----before HM or SkyMax gets around to them.

[blue steel]

With HM probably trying to "corner" the 1:48th scale market, this poses an interesting "strategic" question for Corgi. Should it compete with HM in this arena? Or should Corgi concede the 1:48th scale---except for WWI birds-----and compete with HM in areas where it is in a far stronger position, namely mediums and biggies? I think it is more sensible for Corgi to avoid needless duplication and competitive pricing issues by doing a Stirling and other much requested WWII bombers. Among these would be the A-20, A-26, Hudson, Whitley, etc. I would also go preemptively in the "German direction", with planes such as the ME-410, FW-189, Arado 196 and, even, the HE-219----before HM or SkyMax gets around to them.

Problem being that HM don't do any heavies so they wouldn't be 'competing' with them as such. I think Corgi should concentrate on 1/72 but by doing all the 'biggies' at circa £90 where many collectors will be happy just to have one typical example will hamper them when trying to offer these in various liveries. Just look at how many Mustang schemes have been offered up by collectors since the announcement of the HM model, not to mention their continuing releases of Avengers, P-39's,F4's, A4's, Migs, 104's etc. I think Corgi will most definitely be getting the short straw of the remaining subjects if they do not get in quick with 'compact' models that can be offered in many desirable liveries

[Edward Papazian]

Problem being that HM don't do any heavies so they wouldn't be 'competing' with them as such. I think Corgi should concentrate on 1/72 but by doing all the 'biggies' at circa £90 where many collectors will be happy just to have one typical example will hamper them when trying to offer these in various liveries. Just look at how many Mustang schemes have been offered up by collectors since the announcement of the HM model, not to mention their continuing releases of Avengers, P-39's,F4's, A4's, Migs, 104's etc. I think Corgi will most definitely be getting the short straw of the remaining subjects if they do not get in quick with 'compact' models that can be offered in many desirable liveries

You have a point, however when I said Corgi could compete with HM by moving more aggressively into mediums and biggies----a market it now owns----it is, in effect, preempting HM from going in that direction and making further inroads. Now, if this sector of the market isn't seen as the most profitable arena to play in, I suppose that Corgi could fight it out with HM on the 1:48th front. Unfortunately, HM will, no doubt, be able to put out product much faster than Corgi and at cheaper price points, due to its partnership with its factory complex. That puts Corgi at a distinct disadvantage in such contests, in my opinion.

[blue steel]

You have a point, however when I said Corgi could compete with HM by moving more aggressively into mediums and biggies----a market it now owns----it is, in effect, preempting HM from going in that direction and making further inroads. Now, if this sector of the market isn't seen as the most profitable arena to play in, I suppose that Corgi could fight it out with HM on the 1:48th front. Unfortunately, FM will, no doubt, be able to put out product much faster than Corgi and at cheaper price points, due to its partnership with its factory complex. That puts Corgi at a distinct disadvantage in such contests, in my opinion.

In a way, it may be a good thing if HM did make a medium or heavy, it would certainly be interesting (money on the A20 or A26 if so) Regarding 1/48 for Corgi, I do not think it is generally a good idea for them to go that route although amazingly it is okay for them to produce WW1 models in this scale! I just felt that a 'good' Corgi 1/48 Hurricane in 2010 may have been an idea....and as stated earlier it was merely a suggestion and not a demand :)

[ZS-VAN]

You have a point, however when I said Corgi could compete with HM by moving more aggressively into mediums and biggies----a market it now owns----it is, in effect, preempting HM from going in that direction and making further inroads. Now, if this sector of the market isn't seen as the most profitable arena to play in, I suppose that Corgi could fight it out with HM on the 1:48th front. Unfortunately, FM will, no doubt, be able to put out product much faster than Corgi and at cheaper price points, due to its partnership with its factory complex. That puts Corgi at a distinct disadvantage in such contests, in my opinion.

I'm assuming HM? :unsure:

[Edward Papazian]

I'm assuming HM? :unsure:

Correct. I've fixed it.:o

[Red Leader]

I would say that noe that HM have are doing a MK 1 Spit aHurricane and probably also a BF 109 Emil are fairly obvious next. IF BOB nuts will buy Spits then they'll want Hurris and 109's to go with em!!!

[Upkeep]

Amazing how a mere 'suggestion' (and that is all it was) that Corgi might have considered a 1/48 Hurricane for the 70th anniversary has been blown out of all proportion. I mean, I'd have really hated it if they may have seen this as an opportunity to offer a nice Battle of Britain model to the British 'public' (couldn't think of a better time really) at the expense of starving investment against what the 'majority' demand. Corgi Hurricane, Bedford QL tanker and figures in a set as well as available seperately. Well, it sounds okay to me anyway and it was just a thought rather than a demand

BS, this reaction is bound to happen as none of us are privy to Corgi's business plans or market research, so a healthy dose of passion always seems to get mixed in with speculation. :D

All good fun, IMPO.

/U

[blue steel]

BS, this reaction is bound to happen as none of us are privy to Corgi's business plans or market research, so a healthy dose of passion always seems to get mixed in with speculation. :D

All good fun, IMPO.

/U

Ha, Mr.U :) See post nr. 42 :) ;)

[Craig]

More a case of a 1/48 Hurri wouldn't fit into Corgi's range as well as a Stirling would.....just as a 1/72 Stirling wouldn't fit into HM's range/market. Corgi do great heavies and HM do great 1/48 fighters.....stick to what you're good at......

As for the TSR.2.......I hope they've covered their costs with the 1st release:unsure: ......because not many folks (in the overall scheme of things) will be buying multiples......


Would think there's not many models you can get 4500 away to the retailers straight off, that's got to be a fair chunk of it accounted for :)