Forces of Valor 1/72 Diecast Aircraft

[Typhoon-MKV]

We were tipped off about this at the NEC as there is some interesting stuff announced, one being a Spifire MkIX - <drool>, however the cheap price point is slightly worrying for the size of the things.

[no4mkit]

Spit IX eh, well there you go Corgi, missed out on another one. If this FOV offerings any good then Corgi's late to the ball again, just like the Gustav '109.

Maybe they're safe though, cause I agree Stealth, the price point suggests sub-Corgi/Dragon standard. Guess we'll wait and see... :rolleyes:

[Lofty]

At the risk of upsetting FOVcollector(sorry) if they are like the big stuff then Corgi and Dragon won't be sweating.....but i hope they prove me wrong :D

[minter]

the tanks are good, but planes need a lot of to be desired,but like others have an open mind till i see them, but why are there a lot of similar schemes to corgis,the stuka and the corsair i wont bother with even if they were good.A new pacific fighter would have been nice,wildcat, hellcat etc.

[snafu]

The following are scheduled to be released in the 3rd quarter of 2005:

1/32nd scale:

P51 Glamorous Glen
P51 Cripes A Mighty
Spitfire Mk IX 134th wing
Spitfire Mk IX 132nd wing
109G - Red 29
109G - Eismeer

[CFBC]

Yes Snaff's, that is right, but the list below are 1/72nd also..... Lets hope they get em right hey!!! :D

[snafu]

Yes agreed CFBC, hopefully the quality will be up there with Corgi/Dragon :)

[CFBC]

We hope.... I am investigating better piccies Snaffs and hope to get some tomorrow and if I do, then I will post em up.... :)

[CFBC]

Here we go chaps... Ive managed to acquire a few piccies of the 1/72nd FOV releases that are due next May....

Thanks goes to a another member as well for their help... :D

Corsairs first....

[CFBC]

Hurricanes....

[CFBC]

And finally some German stuff, JU87's.....

I think if the quality is right, they could certainly make an impact.....

[snafu]

I've heard mention, on the Forum, that the price is lower along with the quality. What price are the FOV planes and has anyone actually seen any in the flesh?

[CFBC]

Snaffs,

Ive seen the 1/32nd stuff only and thats very plastic and not for me, but the 1/72nd stuff is new and as such I don't think anyone has seen it....

As for pricing levels..... $18-$25 in the States, but nobody has them as yet in the UK, but I know a retailer or two that will be getting them, but no procing levels have been set....

Be interesting to see how this develops..... :)

[snafu]

Thanks CFBC, I'll keep my eyes open on the Forum as some of the 1/72 schemes look rather tasty!

[scrounger]

nothing new on the corgi side then CFBC?

[no4mkit]

Snaffs,

Ive seen the 1/32nd stuff only and thats very plastic and not for me, but the 1/72nd stuff is new and as such I don't think anyone has seen it....

As for pricing levels..... $18-$25 in the States, but nobody has them as yet in the UK, but I know a retailer or two that will be getting them, but no procing levels have been set....

Be interesting to see how this develops..... :)

That price range mirrors Dragon's, so lets hope they're comparable in quality. As CFBC says, new scale so quite possibly they'll be nothing like previous FOV stuff.

Fingers crossed 'cause I'm really diggin' those Hurricanes... :D

[CFBC]

nothing new on the corgi side then CFBC?
In what way Scrounger?

No4... Yep!! tend to agree... Those Hurricanes look good.... :)

[The Defiant Man]

Stuka liveries not very original..... :(

[no4mkit]

Nor are the Mustangs (other thread) Defiant. Almost a case of why bother...

..wish one of the manufacturers would grow some gonads and give us a razorback P-51 (in 1/72) ... :rolleyes:

[Agent X20]

Thought razorback was P47...?? (owing to canopyline..)

[no4mkit]

razorback as in P-51B/C. Universal term in the case of both types.

[snafu]

I've e mailed Panache Place Inc (California) and Unimax Toys Ltd (Hong Kong) for any more details on the proposed 1/72nd releases. Contacts gained via:

http://www.forcesofvalor.com

So far no response :(

[minter]

love those tanks,but alas no spondooleys after iv'e bought me planes :o

[Lofty]

Fingers crossed 'cause I'm really diggin' those Hurricanes... :D
I hope they are the biz too......As the Scorpions sang "Rock you like a hurricane" Yehaw!!!!!
Dunno wot that has to do wiv anyfing.....just went thru me 'ead :confused:

[snafu]

I've e mailed Panache Place Inc (California) and Unimax Toys Ltd (Hong Kong) for any more details on the proposed 1/72nd releases. Contacts gained via:

http://www.forcesofvalor.com

So far no response :(

Have received an e mail from Lisa Denmark of Panache Place Inc in California. She says that pictures of the new planes will appear on the website (see above) in January. They will actually appear during the summer.

[no4mkit]

pukka gen Snafu!

[snafu]

You sound like Jamie Oliver No4 :p

[no4mkit]

you wouldn't say that if you'd heard my attempt at an accent! ;) :D

[minter]

an american doing cockney...hmmmmmm its been dne before ie, dick van dyke in mary poppins :D

[Agent X20]

What Dick Van Dyke American....?????... Thought he was Dutch like Hertz Van Rental... thats a convincing accent then.. :D :D :D

[snafu]

...or Kenning Van Hire :)

[minter]

thought he was a yank,or second generation

[Agent X20]

What Kenning Van Hire... naw....Luton bodied from Bedforshire..!!

[no4mkit]

That's two things I have in common with Mr. Van Dyke then. Already like to trip over furniture, just not while "flying" the AA's round. :D :rolleyes:

[minter]

and dickies in his chitty chitty :D

[corgi956]

I note on the website of a well known shop in Warwickshire that FOV 1/72 tanks and planes have been announced as well as their prices.

The aircraft come in at £11.99. Now either they are very poor models or Corgi have a serious pricing problem on their hands.

Only time will tell but..............................

I also note that Dragon are expanding their range of German WW2 tanks and AFV vehicles quite considerably this year.

Oh b*gger. Book my place in the poorhouse right now. :D

[shuttle]

Yep, I noticed this to plus the price of their 1/32 scale Spitfife Mk IX was under £40!! I am slightly concerned but lets wait until they are out.

Dragon are indeed bringing out some excellent new AFV's. However, how about some allied tanks? The T-34 isn't much good for fighting D-Day battles!! The FOV 1/72 scale AFV range has a Sherman and a Churchill so maybe these will be on par with the Dragon offerings. I have my doubts though.....

:) Shuttle

[sniperUK]

I have seen pics of the 32nd spit at the Michtoys site and it looks fantastic whats even better is that their advertised in this months Scale Aviation Modeller at 27.99 POUNDS! :D

[Agent X20]

Is there a web link..?

[minter]

yeah pm me please if anyone knows

[Agent X20]

.. tried that just a link to other sites and pop ups about viruses...

[sniperUK]

Sorry. Direct link removed to retailer.

Mr Orange :)

[Agent X20]

Whos got em over here at under £30...

Are we talking metal or plastic..???

[sniperUK]

Metal and the importers.Release date July.

[Agent X20]

looks a nice bit of kit.. any other photos... profile shows pointy tail..... model seems to have rounded jobbie...

Low res or a bit of overspray..?

[CFBC]

I have merged the original Forces Of Valour thread started with the new one today.... If you look down the thread you will see that there are some artist impressions of the 1/72nd aircraft due in June/July...

We have actually been talking directly to FOV regarding these and as such we are awaiting the pictures directly from them. As soon as we get them, then we will get them up on the Forum/Site. :)

[minter]

looks a nice bit of kit.. any other photos... profile shows pointy tail..... model seems to have rounded jobbie...

Low res or a bit of overspray..?

where?...where :confused: :confused:

[Agent X20]

Mr Orange having a field day....

and if yer clear some space in yer PM message box, will send you the link.. :D

[Andreas]

This week I have received an email from Rosanna Chan, Unimax. She confirmed the release date of the planes in early July and the Forces of Valor homepage should be updated during next month! :)

[Abbevilleslayer]

What planes are at the Michtoys site, and what is the exact address to the Michtoys site to get to the planes? I tried one particular Michtoys site and didn't see any planes????? :D

[The Defiant Man]

Abbe - look at the first few posts of this thread! :)

Still think the schemes are very un-original..... :(

[corgi956]

Looked at the Forces of Valor website to see if they had any new pictures of their 1/72 stuff that is due in July.

Sadly they do not :rolleyes: but they have added some blurb. However, they they show a "close up" of the wing guns of the Hurricanes and express a view that this is marvellous detailing.

What? On a 1940 Hurricane? :confused: I thought the wing guns belonged to Mark IICs which came out much later?

It will be mighty disappointing if FOV have got this wrong on a Hurricane supposedly stationed in France in 1940. :eek:

[CFBC]

Hmm. U mean this one C956?

"U.K. Hurricane RAF No. 87 Squadron - England
SKN: 85229 | SCALE: 1:72

The powerful Hawker Hurricane was not as celebrated as the Supermarine Spitfire but unbeknown to most, it had more enemy kills than all others in the U.K. arsenal! As the most numerous of fighter aircraft and aircraft squadrons, the Hurricane shouldered most of the attacks by the German Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain. The Hurricane forced the Luftwaffe to commit its BF109's and BF110's to protect its long range bombers"

Information and pictures from the F.O.V site.

[corgi956]

Exactly my friend. :(

The 1940 France version also has whooping great guns.

Hope the pre-production artwork is as crap as the Hounds and they turn out alright.

Sigh. Work beckons - a riveting telekit. :rolleyes:

[CFBC]

I popped into Modelzone (was was TMC) at the Trafford Centre today and was looking around and I found that they had a few of the Forces of Valor 2005 catalogues that details the 1/72nd range and 1/32nd range that are due out....

Cost me a quid each (bought two), but well worthwhile and quite a thick catalogue with the entire range inseide... :)

[P51D]

I popped into Modelzone (was was TMC) at the Trafford Centre today and was looking around and I found that they had a few of the Forces of Valor 2005 catalogues that details the 1/72nd range and 1/32nd range that are due out....

Cost me a quid each (bought two), but well worthwhile and quite a thick catalogue with the entire range inseide... :)

Any indication of release dates in there CFBC? Are the pics the same as those on this site or more detailed?

[Rusty]

Hmm. U mean this one C956?

"U.K. Hurricane RAF No. 87 Squadron - England
SKN: 85229 | SCALE: 1:72

The powerful Hawker Hurricane was not as celebrated as the Supermarine Spitfire but unbeknown to most, it had more enemy kills than all others in the U.K. arsenal! As the most numerous of fighter aircraft and aircraft squadrons, the Hurricane shouldered most of the attacks by the German Luftwaffe during the Battle of Britain. The Hurricane forced the Luftwaffe to commit its BF109's and BF110's to protect its long range bombers"

Information and pictures from the F.O.V site.

I don't know enough about Hurri wing armament to comment, but irrespective, that is one nice looking model!!

[minter]

yep looks good that one, but the 1 sqdn one niggles me, looks way of the beam...or historically innacurate

[CFBC]

Any indication of release dates in there CFBC? Are the pics the same as those on this site or more detailed?

No I am afraid not P51D, no release dates mentioned (although I know it's around July-August in the States) and no indication of prices either...

Piccies are mostly what they have on their site, but they do look good... Stuka's do... :) (Although mainly a repeat of Corgi issues).

[Rusty]

Are their website pics computer generated?? I can't quite decide... :confused:

[CFBC]

Hmm. I am like you and cannot quite decide either Rusty.... Looking at the brochures the pictures are closer-up, but still cannot tell if plastic or diecast (as such).....

[P51D]

Don't know if this has already been posted elsewhere but the first ones are now starting to land in the UK (metal in case anyone is still unsure)

Bought the night fighter hurri, not out of box yet but looks very nice and only £11.99. Box bit basic and not much better than legends but at least all the undercart options are there. Others were let down a bit by quite heavy panel lines IMHO otherwise they were very good with nice detailing.

Don't know if others are aware but the (very!) cheap versions of this model are unweathered and only available in USA superstores such as Walmart as far as I know. Shame we have to pay extra for a few scratches but still very good value indeed!!

Anyone going to Duxford (this weekend?) will see them there as my local retailer is taking quite a few with him. He is also taking a few boxes of the plastic ones (taking them straight there and hasn't even displayed them in the shop)

[plumstix]

I'll be looking very closely for the plastic ones on Sunday.

[P51D]

Well I can now confirm that the boxes on these things are awful!

You thought Corgi legends were bad, wait till you have a go at these things :( .........and they are an odd shape so don't even stack well!

At least Corgi do a range with nice boxes but these are FOV's enthusiast range apparently. Pity they are not aimed a bit more at the collector (box really designed with single use in mind) as some of the models really are quite good especially for the money!

Biggest downside is that they have actually cast holes into the wings to accomodate the style of packing used :eek: :eek:

Good line to supplement the Corgi/Dragon ranges though especially for the money.

BUT why is it so hard to make a cheap functional box which works for both collectors and non collectors? :confused: :(

[CFBC]

More about the models P51? :D

[P51D]

More about the models P51? :D

Yes sorry about the rant, tried to take some pics but I really need to find my old digital, my new one is OK but not for the closeups!

The models themselves are very detailed but only got the nightfighter as I didn't like the heavy panel lines on the others (corsair even has lift off access panels on the wings!) Engine detailing also very good (more detailed than Corgi) but the liftoff cowling is in plastic.

Landing gear is more detailed than corgi, the panel lines have been cast more heavily...........anyway will get pics ASAP (unless someone else already has and I havn't seen them)

[no4mkit]

Here's some pics of the black NF alongside Corgi's Bader Legend model. I think it compares fairly well, and the landing gear is better detailed and stays in place! The pilot in the FOV needs adjusting though as he sits very low in the cockpit. It a very easy fix that I've described in my thread where I did the FAA Hurricane repaint. Time for another Hurricane mod.. (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2276)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/no4mkit/FOVvsCorgiHurri-3.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/no4mkit/FOVvsCorgiHurri-2.jpg
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/no4mkit/FOVvsCorgiHurri-1.jpg

[CFBC]

Thanks No.4... Be interesting to hear what some of the guys over here think as I believe they were available at the Duxford Airshow....

[Martin Bull]

Errrr...we didn't like 'em ! :o ( Although that was mainly the Stukas.....)

[Rusty]

Saw these for the first time in the flesh today. NOT impressed. Would buy for $10 from Target (unweathered), but will DEFINITELY be cancelling my pre-orders. They would just look so out of place with the others.

Having said that, they would be perfect for a diorama next to some weathered armour and some FOV panzergrenadiers on a base (like the DAv ones), but for a display cabinet - a definite no-no. :(

[P51D]

I think the weathering is the only difference between FOV's ranges (their equivalent of AA/Legends)

Most of us would probably prefere the unweathered one (as in No4's pics)only available in the USA and at.....£6 :eek: the panel lines (not an issue on this one as it's black) might not look as bad!

I like the one I got but otherwise agree with the comments of others.

[CFBC]

Most of us would probably prefere the unweathered one (as in No4's pics)only available in the USA and at.....£6 :eek: the panel lines (not an issue on this one as it's black) might not look as bad!

You could be right there P51? Ive seen them on Ebay for around the $12-15 mark, but not any lower.... I may consider them????? Undecided.....

[Martin Bull]

The models looked odd - almost over-detailed ; rather like 1/48 scale detailing on a 1/72 model :confused: . They were a mass of panel lines, inspection hatches, opening gun-hatches on the US fighters,all sorts of 'weathering effects'.....

Against a Corgi Stuka, no contest, and not that cheap at 12 quid. Definitely not for my collection at all, I'm afraid.

[Typhoon-MKV]

Saw them for the first time today at Duxford and they are awful - the only one that did look half decent was the Corsair and that was because it had some decent weathering on it - but the others, especially the Snake Stuka - no thanks......

[CFBC]

Wonder what the un-weathered ones are like? :D

[klepto4]

Took my first dip into anything non-corgi (Corgi Take Note) and ordered my first FOV Black Hurricane from a well know web-ukretailer beginning with "A". I am curious that we may have something here that may be the stiffest competition corgi are ever going to likely have to their AA ranges. For some reason I cannot see that in Dragon, Witty etc but I could be very very wrong and way off the mark here. Nonetheless these FOV's look quite interesting and it was worth £15 just to see for myself. So if corgi don't deliver next year it could be interesting to see how these pan out and if good then the majority of my cash will go on these instead of corgi's range.
Corgi do really nead to pull something special out of the bag but the more I think about the more I reckon they wont :(

[klepto4]

Oh no, I think I've bitten off more than I can chew here. I've just looked on the FOV website and the pics of the Tornado and the F14 are just the pits. Mind you the WWII stuff looks OK so fingers crossed when I get my hurricane.
But how can FOV release such horrid jets with those lines that looked like they been drawn on with big thick markers. I'm sure thats been said in the forum somewhere but I may have just wasted my time even thinking about spending £15 to a company that produces these really really bad jet models :mad:

[tuck257]

Took my first dip into anything non-corgi (Corgi Take Note) and ordered my first FOV Black Hurricane from a well know web-ukretailer beginning with "A". I am curious that we may have something here that may be the stiffest competition corgi are ever going to likely have to their AA ranges. For some reason I cannot see that in Dragon, Witty etc but I could be very very wrong and way off the mark here. Nonetheless these FOV's look quite interesting and it was worth £15 just to see for myself. So if corgi don't deliver next year it could be interesting to see how these pan out and if good then the majority of my cash will go on these instead of corgi's range.
Corgi do really nead to pull something special out of the bag but the more I think about the more I reckon they wont :(


I have the night fighter, and happy with it, undercart is alot better than corgi but canopy is a little short in height and spinner not quite the right size.
Along side all my corgi Hurricanes it looks right and not out of place and shall definatly get the other three in the set. They are a good buy.

[klepto4]

I have the night fighter, and happy with it, undercart is alot better than corgi but canopy is a little short in height and spinner not quite the right size.
Along side all my corgi Hurricanes it looks right and not out of place and shall definatly get the other three in the set. They are a good buy.

Oh cool, just hope they give us an exhaustive list of colour schemes, because as you say, if they are good then, It'll be a shame to buy a couple then they stop doing them, but thats the risk you take when take up a collecting hobby like this, which company is going to cut the mustard or which company are just going to fanny about regardless of good models.
But hey-ho being total fed up with corgi we must have faith in some-one else and I'm kinda hopeing that it's this one.
It did half give me shock though when I saw their Tornado and F14 on their web site Urgh! :eek:
Looking forward to the Hurri then as it's always exciting to branch out to other company's. I did do Armour 1:100 for a while and now you can't get them for love nor money now. They have a Swiss BF109 you know :rolleyes:

[P51D]

Wonder what the un-weathered ones are like? :D

From no4's pics I would think they are virtually the same CFBC (weathering on the black hurri is quite subtle anyway) Be interesting to hear from anyone who has both versions?

Crossed my mind when I was in the shop to wait and get an unweathered one through E-bay but I really didn't think it would be worth the extra expense (postage!) and hassle.

[Typhoon-MKV]

I have the night fighter, and happy with it, undercart is alot better than corgi but canopy is a little short in height and spinner not quite the right size.
Along side all my corgi Hurricanes it looks right and not out of place and shall definatly get the other three in the set. They are a good buy.

We are talking about Forces of Valour here - The FOV Hurricane I saw at Duxford was an Abortion - The panel lines are just far too heavy - black marker pen time!!!!

[kevjb64]

We are talking about Forces of Valour here - The FOV Hurricane I saw at Duxford was an Abortion - The panel lines are just far too heavy - black marker pen time!!!!

Sounds like could be another case of IXO here , you can put two of the same model side by side and one will be excellently produced the other total crap !!

[Martin Bull]

This is really strange - they must vary a lot. I've yet to see any IXO look as horrid as the FOV's did as Duxford. I went along fully prepared to buy - until I saw them. :confused:

[P51D]

This is really strange - they must vary a lot. I've yet to see any IXO look as horrid as the FOV's did as Duxford. I went along fully prepared to buy - until I saw them. :confused:

Fair comment but did you see a night fighter hurri or just the other 5? For me this is the only one of the 6 worth having (as the black cammo hides the nasty black lines)

[kevjb64]

Fair comment but did you see a night fighter hurri or just the other 5? For me this is the only one of the 6 worth having (as the black cammo hides the nasty black lines)


Yep that might explain it as I have only seen the night fighter so far .

[Typhoon-MKV]

Fair comment but did you see a night fighter hurri or just the other 5? For me this is the only one of the 6 worth having (as the black cammo hides the nasty black lines)

Yeah good point - the Camo one was disgusting.....

[Rusty]

It could just be me but I thought the colours were a bit off for the camo (on all of them). Maybe I'm just too used to excellently done planes... :(

[plumstix]

Saw one of the Stukas at DX and thought it was awful.

[P51D]

Saw one of the Stukas at DX and thought it was awful.

Yes they are, the panel lines playing a large part in the overall grim appearance. Scale size of these lines would be what, 4-6 inches across :confused:

I thought they would have learn't that this just doesn't work for 1:72 scale, look at their modern stuff! Strange that they should start this range by trying to copy Corgi and then pick 3 models which Corgi have done VERY well indeed! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[minter]

there is no way they could beat the corgi stuka, an absolute gem

[Martin Bull]

The stall selling the FOV Stukas for £12 was also knocking out the Leg End Stuka for £8 - no contest ! ;)

[klepto4]

Thats it then, I would love to start collecting something else, just to do meesa part in showing corgi they really must listening to us. But also that I was hoping that there was another possibility out there to get the models we want, but alas it looks like FOV is a no no judging by some of the post here and I haven't even recieved mine yet :eek:

[charley]

Came across the FOV stuff at Duxford....Didn't like it very much. Appears over detailed!

[P51D]

The stall selling the FOV Stukas for £12 was also knocking out the Leg End Stuka for £8 - no contest ! ;)

Yes it's a joke isn't it?

I guesse in the States this price situation is a bit different and the FOV stuff may get more of a look in?

[Rusty]

Yes it's a joke isn't it?

I guesse in the States this price situation is a bit different and the FOV stuff may get more of a look in?

And they have the cheaper + better ones too (Target)!

[The Defiant Man]

Can't understand folks collecting these if they are so bad, even for the price, when the same types are available from Corgi/Dragon.

IXO not great, but at least many of them are unique types.....

[bongo]

Only seen the two hurricanes, nightfighter is pretty good - though the other hurricane is kinda 'ok' from a distance, up close is looks naff. Im rather into the panel lines but as someone suggested it only works on the darker schemes.

BONGO

[P51D]

One thing that is emerging from all this it makes me (for one) appreciate just how good some of the existing manufacturers really are.

Maybe FOV are showing us that it's not that easy to produce cheap diecasts (although there really is no excuse for the panel lines)

Keep up the good work Corgi/Dragon (sort out your marketing though Corgi and agree on your release dates Dragon + more new and interesting castings from both of you, thankyou! :D :D )

[no4mkit]

The panel lines aren't as deep once you repaint them... ;) :p :D :D

[P51D]

The panel lines aren't as deep once you repaint them... ;) :p :D :D

I agree your re-painted models look very nice indeed!

But having deep panel lines AND then emphasising them with oversized black lines.............

If only you would take over running this side of Unimax then Corgi would have some proper competition!

[klepto4]

At last my first Black FOV Hurricane arrived this morning and well erm.erm not sure, I'm not too sure I like the thing, considering corgi's many varied and well built ones.
Bare with me as I know most of these things have been mentioned on the thread, so I'm just going to go through my thoughts:-
First impressions are "It just doesn't seem right to me". It's packaged as if it's mean't to be a toy for juniors which doesn't really command much respect from us serious collectors. The thing is screwed down so much that I was thinking where does it end there must be a easier way to get it out.
As for the model it's self. well the first thing I noticed was the prop being the wrong size and rather cartoony and ridiculous looking + dirty rather than it's weathered intentions. The Cockpit is a bit far back compared with corgi's and I'd prefer corgi's cockpit position. The weathered appearance doesn't lend it self to being that great. So all in all not that impressed.
What I did like was the Under Carriage and the some of the signage round the cockpit plus it's regular markings.
So ditch the weathering and the sort out the hideous prop and I'll be glad to collect them instead of corgi. But I don't think FOV will. Corgi are the better model and they're are more colour variants to choose from so corgi ....you win this round.
FOV no go really. I'm not sure about the lines as I have an all black model. But if FOV has something else wrong with these models then corgi have it in the bag really
Shame because I thought or rather hoping that corgi were going to have serious competition forcing them to really listen to us, but hey they maybe.........yeah right :rolleyes:

[CFBC]

That is sad to here from many members about the FOV stuff as I really thought (was hoping) there was another market player to give Dragon and Corgi a run in the 1/72nd market..... I suppose for the money (10 quid) they ain't bad (on Legends par), but it looks like we need a stronger player who know what they are doing.......

Looks like we have a two tear market - Dragon and Corgi, then IXO, Altaya, FOV and others.......

What we need is another in between? Comments guys? :confused:

Thanks for your feedback Klep. :)

[Agent X20]

Thing is Corgi are the market leaders.. I am only missing about a dozen of the recent small ones.. the AA Fighters.. and they have only cost me £8-12 each .. I dont consider £25 as the price for AA's and now that also includes commissions.. that is now wishful thinking.. its gotta be a real good one.. Black Mossie is about all on my radar..

£8-12.. thats all they are worth.. what is so difficult in Corgi understanding that....

Dont need anymore players ....market is saturated.

[guignol1971]

That is sad to here from many members about the FOV stuff as I really thought (was hoping) there was another market player to give Dragon and Corgi a run in the 1/72nd market..... I suppose for the money (10 quid) they ain't bad (on Legends par), but it looks like we need a stronger player who know what they are doing.......

Looks like we have a two tear market - Dragon and Corgi, then IXO, Altaya, FOV and others.......

What we need is another in between? Comments guys? :confused:

Thanks for your feedback Klep. :)
Yes I agree with you CFBC, I think there's a "second" market...so let people choose by themselves their preferences / the price they want to invest in their hobby.
I think too that the new diecasts-makers oblige Dragon and Corgi to do better, to progress, to keep their range in diecasts aircrafts.

[Martin Bull]

For me, Corgi are still #1 with Dragon/C-H very close ( but not on choice of subjects...). Then there's quite a gap and it's IXO closely followed by Witty ( who could do better if they tried just a little harder :rolleyes: ). FOV and those plastic things much further back..... :(

[klepto4]

Interesting, I know corgi are market leaders but the things wrong on the FOV Hurricane are so minor that it could easilly compete with Corgi and yet they go and blow it:- by additional weathering (which probably cost more to do) and a ridiculous looking prop (which probably wouldn't of cost any more if properly researched). So these minor things get me so wound up because if FOV just did 5 minutes more of thought, literally 5 Minutes then they could have been a serious contender, but now because of silly, stupid mistakes they fail to give the right impression to a collector like myself. How daft.

I've never had a problem with the pricing of AA's as I've budgeted for the fighters for less than £20 or there abouts. Yes they could be cheaper but I think that the quality is of a such a high standard that I've kind of agreed to corgi terms and that's the real problem isn't it:- You commit yourself to this product and then corgi go a spoil it all by introducing such stupid experimentation which threatens the whole AA range altogether.
So many people have invested their long hard earned cash to AA that the collectors were expecting and had at least a right to be granted a small measure of consistancy that gives us the definitive collection.
I bet corgi are saying "suckers" to the lot of us :mad:
Corgi if you don't love your customers then at least love your aircraft

[Lofty]

Looks like we have a two tear market - :)
Yep! i'm crying already!!!!!
Corgi = was great........ now too much milking....... :(
Dragon = nicest looking but going stale already......especially same lookin' Fockes :mad:
IXO= SH*TE......SOLD THE LOT......those kids inked panel lines finally pushed me over the edge :( :mad:
Witty......could be good......but naff , wots the point if ya get it wrong :rolleyes:
FOV = Johnny come latelys...... ditto above comment from witty :cool:

[minter]

and corgi are hiking their prices up again.....is there really any need :confused:

[klepto4]

Yep! i'm crying already!!!!!
Corgi = was great........ now too much milking....... :(
Dragon = nicest looking but going stale already......especially same lookin' Fockes :mad:
IXO= SH*TE......SOLD THE LOT......those kids inked panel lines finally pushed me over the edge :( :mad:
Witty......could be good......but naff , wots the point if ya get it wrong :rolleyes:
FOV = Johnny come latelys...... ditto above comment from witty :cool:

Totally agree with the lot. Don't these guys from witty and FOV employ quality control managers, it may make a difference if they did :rolleyes:

[G-force]

Yeah, make a difference alright, they'd be at least a tenner more then.

[Agent X20]

No need to.. cos most of their pocket money customers wont know the difference..


Corgi = was great........ now too much milking....... :(


Distribution, Marketing and Pricing are the hound problems.. milking.. everyone is guilty of that... :D

[klepto4]

.. milking.. everyone is guilty of that... :D

Bet the cows are p****d off

[Lofty]

Bet the cows are p****d off
I'll just ask Mrs Lofty for a quick quote......... :rolleyes:

[Agent X20]

Betcha dont...... :D

[Lofty]

Betcha dont...... :D
You is probably right :o ....near to killing each other at mo :eek: ......emmigrating is stretching nerves to breaking point :mad:

[Agent X20]

If she goes.... she goes..!! :D

[klepto4]

Oh let her go, you'll feel better :D

[CFBC]

Here we go guys,

A picture of each F.O.V release so far to hit our shores.

85030, 85430, 85029 (keep you guessing) and 85229.

There will be more pictures over the weekend as we will be starting a new webpage with these on. :) (Depending on the weather) :rolleyes:

(Just having picture overload).

[The Defiant Man]

Gawd that 2nd Stuka looks awful.....and the desert Hurri doesn't look much better.....

[guignol1971]

There will be more pictures over the weekend as we will be starting a new webpage with these on. (Depending on the weather)
CFBC, :)
Always the weather..., it seems to be a hard point in UK...!! :D ;) ;)

[rmorley]

PZ865- That's "Last of the Many!" What's it doing in such a disgracefully weathered 1/72 state?

:shudder:

Maybe it will end up alongside the blue "PZ"!

[minter]

1st stuka looks better than the 2nd, but that aint saying much, and the hurris i wouldnt touch with a shi##y stick

[no4mkit]

:D :D :D ... not even the black one, Mints? :)

[no4mkit]

Interesting that this new desert Hurri comes in packaging indicating 1 Sqn France. Like FOV changed production midstream realizing they'd botched the 1 Sqn livery (and Mk) replacing it with... another botched livery! :rolleyes: With all the reference material out there, why is this color thing so hard to get right?? :confused:

[CFBC]

I know No.4, this :confused: 's me indeed.... :rolleyes:

[no4mkit]

What, do they think I'm going to repaint ALL of them for them??!! I'm one man with an airbrush, what do they want from me??!!!! :p :D ;) ;)

[Martin Bull]

It's a tough, dirty job - but someone's gotta do it...... ;) :p

[CFBC]

What, do they think I'm going to repaint ALL of them for them??!! I'm one man with an airbrush, what do they want from me??!!!! :p :D ;) ;)

Be nice, how long do we have to wait No.4? :)

[corgi956]

Just picked up my Black Hurricane and apart from the guns not being at 90 degrees to the wing and the outer ones being longer than the inner ones (was this the case? :confused: ) I quite like it. :)

Glad I cancelled my orders for the Stukas and other Hurricanes though.

From the photos posted on this thread, they look crap. :eek:

Close escape methinks. :D

[minter]

:D :D :D ... not even the black one, Mints? :)

no, doesnt do it for me, want to see shuttleworths hurri though

[no4mkit]

Well if you don't mind that Shuttleworths ain't really a IIC there's hope... :o

[CFBC]

Here are a couple of pictures of the new F.O.V Corsairs available....

As I have said in the "what you bought at the w/e" thread, a lot of plane for you money (roughly give or take a tenner). Whilst we in the UK are not fanatic about Corsairs, the detailing and additional's on these for the price give them appeal.

More pictures to come on the F.O.V website page soon along with the others.

:)

[Rusty]

Here are a couple of pictures of the new F.O.V Corsairs available....

As I have said in the "what you bought at the w/e" thread, a lot of plane for you money (roughly give or take a tenner). Whilst we in the UK are not fanatic about Corsairs, the detailing and additional's on these for the price give them appeal.

More pictures to come on the F.O.V website page soon along with the others.

:)

They look a bit like dirty Altaya/Ixos, but if I was wild about Corsairs I would definitely get them (which is not the case for some of the Hurris/Stukas)!

[plumstix]

Looks like they went a bit mad with the black marker.

[The Defiant Man]

Don't like these....have the IXO Corsair, which also has a bit too much panel detail, but being dark blue doesn't show up as much.

Sorry, haven't seen a FOV yet that I would consider buying.

[Typhoon-MKV]

Now Sailor my boy this is a cr@p Hurricane.

UUrrgghhhh (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/html/85029.html)

[Typhoon-MKV]

Snake Stuka (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/html/85430.html) anyway - Corgi don't have much to worry about of this score.

[Typhoon-MKV]

Eastern Front Stuka (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/html/85030.html) complete with wobbly spinner - again Corgi can sleep easy in their bed.

[Typhoon-MKV]

The Black Hurricane (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/html/85229.html) - still not as good as Corgi's, and looking uncanily like the Easy Model one that is out at the moment....hhmmmmm

[Typhoon-MKV]

In a perverse twist I think the two corsairs are the best out of the releases currently out - which actually isn't saying that much really!!!!

85328 (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/html/85328.html) and 85028 (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/html/85028.html)

[zed550]

just got a fov corsair today,1st did not have a corsair in the collection,2nd wanted to see how fov stood up to the rest.well initially i was a bit do i or dont i like it,looks a bit ott on the weathering but the more i looked over the model it started to grow on me it has some nice touches,its heavy,undercarriage is good anyway didnt like the bug eyed pilot so it was out with the screwdriver got the cockpit out and redid his goggles with a silver marker[no more bug eyed look]back together and fitted the undercarriage and put it on the tiny stand stood back and examined it again,yes i do like it,if you look at it from a modellers view thats how the plane would have appeared in service not squeaky clean,it fills a gap and i am happy :D

[Beaufighter]

Mr Zed - couldn't agree with you more, (unless you're one of those rivet counters) - as long as you take pleasure from what you've collected - what else are you in it for - I've just receiced a FOV winter camo Stuka and I like it :)

[Rusty]

Do you normally buy your Action series models from the bay then Rusty? I thought they were only available from the bigger USA chain stores (i.e not FM or UK dealers?)

If this is the case are they worth the hassle/postage? I'm trying to picture my FOV nightfighter hurri without it's weathering and no doubt it would look better.....but does it really make that much difference?

I really think the difference between Action/Enthusiast is like night and day ( :D ). I'd post a comparison photo (I have both) but the weathered one is packed away as the almost inlaws have come to stay. Lots of mattresses on floors meant that the excess boxes had to go!

Originally I just wanted the old France Camo one (that they replaced with the Desert Hurri). The only one I could find was old stock that popped up on ebay US. Won it for $9.99 and with $11 postage, still turned out OK pricewise. I was blown away by it and got the NF Hurri from the same seller. Asked him about the others and was told that he would try but was going to charge me more than $10 as he wasn't making a profit!! (I was the only bidder for both lots on ebay)

Because I was so impressed and wanted the rest (will respray my Enthusiast versions), I posted on the Model Hanger Forum requesting Yank help in getting the rest. I have now (hopefully) got the Winter Stuka, Desert Hurri and #167 Corsair on their way to me now - $50 all in!!

[The Defiant Man]

Saw FOV 1/72 up close in the flesh for the first time today.

N/F Hurri not bad......but not good. Stuka's looked bl**dy awful.

[ozlanc]

I think the NF Hurricane is the pick of the FOV 1/72 stuff. Sadly I have to agree the enthusiast versions are by far the worst. In fact I saw a FOV F-14 Tomcat recently and it looked like it was made out of polystone, being perhaps the worst 1/72 scale diecast model I have ever seen.

The FOV 1/32 armour has some 'enthusiast weathering' problems as well. And to make matters worse many of the FOV 1/32 stuff is issued cheaper with often a better look under the Motormax and 21st Century Toys brandnames - well they look the same to my old eyes.

[CFBC]

Saw FOV 1/72 up close in the flesh for the first time today.

N/F Hurri not bad......but not good. Stuka's looked bl**dy awful.

U see the Corsairs TDF? Have to agree with the Stuka's... :D

[The Defiant Man]

U see the Corsairs TDF? Have to agree with the Stuka's... :D
No...didn't see the Corsairs.......must be rare..... :rolleyes: :D

[P51D]

U see the Corsairs TDF? Have to agree with the Stuka's... :D

Don't think they are that great either, nowhere near as good as Corgi (and by the time you have all the Corgi ones do you really need any more blue Corsairs?)

[CFBC]

Hey - HOLD ON P51....

A agree that the Corgi Corsairs are better than the FOV releases, but lets have a look at the items and compare the RRP's too.... Corgi - £18.99 - £24.99 at time of release and the FOV's are £8.99-£11.99.

Can you really compare?

Whilst I DO agree the Corgi releases are better, for the money the FOV releases are also very good.... However, I know you are going to say that Corgi Corsairs can be acquired a lot cheaper and I know that, but taking them on face-value I think the FOV Corsairs are pretty good.....

You are right about more Corsairs though too!! Who needs more..... :D

[Agent X20]

.. and dont forget yer Dragon ones as well...

.. more Corsairs than Mrs Agent..........

[CFBC]

Oh my... Don't go there Agent... :D Especially folded wing versions!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[P51D]

However, I know you are going to say that Corgi Corsairs can be acquired a lot cheaper

:D how did you know? :D

I think the important thing for FOV is not the MRRP of the Corgi's at the time of the Corgi's release but their typical going rate at the time of the FOV release

As you can currently buy pretty much any of the Corgi releases for the same price as a FOV give or take a fiver or so I think FOV are wasting their time on this one (.....give us a Sea Fury or something!...... :D )

I take your point though CFBC if you compare both MRRP's then the FOV is OK value.

[CFBC]

:D how did you know? :D
(.....give us a Sea Fury or something!...... :D )



Hmm. Some members can be predicted, others - well.... :D

Yep!! I agree also that producing more Corsairs is a simple waste of time, effort, production and also money when you could produce something that just isn't available like a Sea Fury... Corgi we hope will be producing the Typhoon next half so a Sea Fury from another manufacturer would be excellent.... Unless that is Corgi's next step? :D

As for F.O.V... Why don't they look at the market, what has been released and what they can release?

Again, market reseaerch is what it is called... :D

[corgi956]

Was looking through the "shot of the day" snaps earlier (great pictures lads - :) ) and came across LK-A Hurricane Nightfighter.

Now I aren't as big a plane buff as you guys and have knowledge gaps (big ones I'm afraid :o) so i thought my FOV LK-A was pretty good.

Imagine my horror when I notice that compared with the photo, it doesn't really look the same apart from the main black colouring of the plane.

It doesn't have the big cannons and the "real" one has loads more red on it.

In my ignorance, I thought this particular FOV was by far the best.

I'm pretty disappointed now. :mad:

[ozlanc]

Was looking through the "shot of the day" snaps earlier (great pictures lads - :) ) and came across LK-A Hurricane Nightfighter.

Now I aren't as big a plane buff as you guys and have knowledge gaps (big ones I'm afraid :o) so i thought my FOV LK-A was pretty good.

Imagine my horror when I notice that compared with the photo, it doesn't really look the same apart from the main black colouring of the plane.

It doesn't have the big cannons and the "real" one has loads more red on it.

In my ignorance, I thought this particular FOV was by far the best.

I'm pretty disappointed now. :mad:

Cheer up Corgi956, your (and my FOV NF Hurri) is true to the orginal. I have a book called 'The Encyclopedia of 20th Century Warfare' and on page 114 there is a colour photo taken of that aircraft during WWII and it looks exactly like the FOV version. It's in other books as well of course. I don't know much about the original or the later warbird version. But it could be that the aircraft in the shot of the day depicts it at different time when it had machine guns in lieu of cannons. Or it could be that the warbird version used a certain amouint of artistic license. Personally I don't place to much reliance on the 'authenticity' of most warbirds these days - and neither should Corgi et al. Btw the patches on the leading edge of the wings (red in this case) were temporary covers for the machine guns and the guns used to just fire thru them and the patches replaced/patched up when the guns were re-armed etc.

[DUXFORD 19]

I always thought the best deals were in Europe. I never thought it would be the other way around. I have both FOV Hurricanes, from our Target stores, for $9.99 each. If there would be some way I could crate up a bunch and send them, I would. But I do experience the effects of the Euro and the Royal Mail.

I found this picture somewhere.

[no4mkit]

Actually there's 3 now Dux. Our Target's on the west coast just got the 5 Sqn Desert Hurri in, and interestingly enough they're the weathered Enthusiast versions normally sold at hobby stores at the higher price point, though they are in the green rather than black box. :) But I won't go into how they've messed up on the livery again... :rolleyes:

[corgi956]

Cheer up Corgi956, your (and my FOV NF Hurri) is true to the orginal. I have a book called 'The Encyclopedia of 20th Century Warfare' and on page 114 there is a colour photo taken of that aircraft during WWII and it looks exactly like the FOV version. It's in other books as well of course. I don't know much about the original or the later warbird version. But it could be that the aircraft in the shot of the day depicts it at different time when it had machine guns in lieu of cannons. Or it could be that the warbird version used a certain amouint of artistic license. Personally I don't place to much reliance on the 'authenticity' of most warbirds these days - and neither should Corgi et al. Btw the patches on the leading edge of the wings (red in this case) were temporary covers for the machine guns and the guns used to just fire thru them and the patches replaced/patched up when the guns were re-armed etc.

Thank you very much for your post. :)

It has cheered me up no end knowing that the model is "good". The FOV model will have an honoured spot next to my Corgi nightfighters - if Mrs 956 ever allows me to have a display! :D

[minter]

if Mrs 956 ever allows me to have a display! :D

ah yes, the last and most difficut hurdle of all :rolleyes:

[corgi956]

ah yes, the last and most difficut hurdle of all :rolleyes:

Sadly, you are spot on old boy. :(

[Tiffie K N-L]

Read some of the interesting posts here on the FOV N/F Hurri so you think its a half decent model? I thought about buying one? I never strayed from corgi yet in 1/72 scale but hate the thoughts of going on evil-bay and tracking down a corgi N/F Hurri and paying $100.00 to $200.00 for it :eek: this is the one corgi model that I would like to have but $200.00 versus $14.00 for the FOV this should be a no brainer?? but I wish I wasn`t so picky :rolleyes: .

[corgi956]

It is the only FOV plane I have Tiffie. Frankly, I thought the others that FOV have produced (and indeed other maunfacturers) are not realistic enough for my liking but this is the best by far in my opinion.

I think as it is all black and those crummy "panel" lines FOV put on their planes aren't visable probably make it for me. :)

I too am a Corgi man through and through. I only have one Dragon plane (courtesy of a competition win on this Forum :) ) and this FOV Nightfigther.

I would go for it. It really is a decent model. :)

[DUXFORD 19]

Don't be picky. At 20,000 feet the lines disappear. As you fly through the air in your living room, making airplanes noises, you forget about FOV and Corgi and just have a awful good time. :D

[Rusty]

Don't be picky. At 20,000 feet the lines disappear. As you fly through the air in your living room, making airplanes noises, you forget about FOV and Corgi and just have a awful good time. :D

Too true!

[Tiffie K N-L]

Stopped by Target on my way home frome work today to check on the FOV N/F Hurri they had every Huri but that one :( .

[Tiffie K N-L]

Don't be picky. At 20,000 feet the lines disappear. As you fly through the air in your living room, making airplanes noises, you forget about FOV and Corgi and just have a awful good time. :D

And to make it a true N/F experiance we all could turn off the lights to make it dark when we fly through the livingroom :p . Who can see panel lines at night anyhow?, but watch out for those walls :eek: .

[CFBC]

Go for it Tiffie. At that value who can complain! :)

[minter]

And to make it a true N/F experiance we all could turn off the lights to make it dark when we fly through the livingroom :p . Who can see panel lines at night anyhow?, but watch out for those walls :eek: .

wait till theres a full moon and open the curtains...fab! :)

[snafu]

Got the Black FOV Hurricane and it's rubbish - all scratched paintwork and smudged paint on the spinner - truely garbage :(

[Rusty]

Got the Black FOV Hurricane and it's rubbish - all scratched paintwork and smudged paint on the spinner - truely garbage :(

Yep that's the Enthusiast version and you are quite right. However, believe it or not the Action series (non-weathered) is an entirely different story. I just can't believe how much FoV have harmed their reputation by only releasing the Enthusiast versions in Europe. Complete lunacy...

[rmorley]

Jumblies have the new FoV products under Aviation Archive page 4.

They appear to have taken a leaf out of the great book of No4mkit.

85429 (http://www.jumbliesmodels.com/85429-1.html)

An' they are doing an SEAC Hurri an' all!

85329 (http://www.jumbliesmodels.com/85329-1.html)

Kind Regards,

RM

[CFBC]

Hey Morley... Don't think there will be many takers at that price matey! :LOL:

Think I best contact Jumblies and let them know..... :wacko: :blink:

Be a little wary of teh FOV stuff guys, it is "ok", but not at mega bucks. Black Huri was ok, but the others issued we not that good.

[P51D]

They appear to have taken a leaf out of the great book of No4mkit.

85429 (http://www.jumbliesmodels.com/85429-1.html)



Good find!

They still have a fair bit to learn from no4 though don't they :D

Lets face it their models have VERY heavy cast panel lines already so why enhance them more with black (and on a white model!) :blink:

[rmorley]

Hey Morley... Don't think there will be many takers at that price matey! :LOL:

Think I best contact Jumblies and let them know..... :wacko: :blink:

Be a little wary of teh FOV stuff guys, it is "ok", but not at mega bucks. Black Huri was ok, but the others issued we not that good.

Certainly not me at £14!

Still, at least it is a white Hurri. Now, if they do a Russian one, what will Agent Carr say?

Kind Regards,

RM

[CFBC]

Certainly not me at £14!

Still, at least it is a white Hurri. Now, if they do a Russian one, what will Agent Carr say?

Kind Regards,

RM

Erm, I see £1350 for the first one? :confused: :rolleyes:

[rmorley]

Erm, I see £1350 for the first one? :confused: :rolleyes:

Perhaps that's for the pre-pro?

(See the "What, for a Sea King?" thread!)

Kind Regards,

RM

[no4mkit]

Jumblies have the new FoV products under Aviation Archive page 4.

They appear to have taken a leaf out of the great book of No4mkit.

85429 (http://www.jumbliesmodels.com/85429-1.html)

An' they are doing an SEAC Hurri an' all!

85329 (http://www.jumbliesmodels.com/85329-1.html)

Kind Regards,

RM


Interesting - good find RM! I wonder if these replace the next two Hurri's FOV has announced or are additional. Who know's, they surprised us with the unannounced desert version.

Note to FOV: this is the last freebie - I charge for all future ideas....

£1350 though... Wow, I'd only charge half that for my prepro... :D ;)


http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/no4mkit/Faahurri-2.jpg

[P51D]

Saw a couple of the latest ones today. No P40 but the ME262 and Zero were there.

Got to say they were not bad at all. Just a shame they have picked subjects that have been well covered already. Thought the zero was particularly good (but i don't need any more zeros!) Had it been ANY other Japanese fighter to the same standard i would have snapped it up.

Boxes have improved too and these models are looking more and more like Corgi's. At £12 each very competitively priced too (unlike some)!

[von hitchofen]

I quite fancy the Olive Drab 345th BG "Air Apaches" Mitchell, and even more than that

the B-26B Marauder!

[P51D]

Went back and bought the zero in the end :o

Interested to see how it compares with the other manu's for the price (have witty, dragon and corgi examples)

They have improved a lot since the last batch and have done away with the inked lines but they have retained their awful packaging. Model fixed in with screws as usual :(

Seems they forgot to include guns on these as well! :( otherwise a nice looking model, IMHO)

Nice casting, nice price!

[ZS-VAN]

Saw a couple of the latest ones today. No P40 but the ME262 and Zero were there.

Got to say they were not bad at all. Just a shame they have picked subjects that have been well covered already. Thought the zero was particularly good (but i don't need any more zeros!) Had it been ANY other Japanese fighter to the same standard i would have snapped it up.

Boxes have improved too and these models are looking more and more like Corgi's. At £12 each very competitively priced too (unlike some)!

I've got to agree, they look much better than the first lot I saw. I bought a Stuka and Hurricane then but soon dumped the Stuka. Packaging now is much better and I liked the opening engine/gun bays. If I remember correctly, wasn't the P40 an earlier version than the Corgi?

[Lofty]

I've got to agree, they look much better than the first lot I saw. I bought a Stuka and Hurricane then but soon dumped the Stuka. Packaging now is much better and I liked the opening engine/gun bays. If I remember correctly, wasn't the P40 an earlier version than the Corgi?

Yep....sure is

[dilligafocau]

Just had a look at the new Unimax Flying Tigers "White 47" P-40B Warhawk photos over at the Mule, the fit & finish of this thing is terrible http://www.airliners.net/discussions/graphics/smilies/vomit.gif
Corgi's P40's are under no threat whatsoever :)

[p-51d]

Is'nt the fundamental problem with this range that it's seen and priced as toys? , look at the 1/16 armour , it's sold in the right way and is as good as anything on the market IMPO . There's a lot to like with the Marauder but the rubber guns and sunken dorsal let it down before the finish nightmares are talked about, another tenner to sort out its faults and sell as a collectable and they'd be onto a winner but do they listen ??

[CFBC]

Is'nt the fundamental problem with this range that it's seen and priced as toys? , look at the 1/16 armour , it's sold in the right way and is as good as anything on the market IMPO . There's a lot to like with the Marauder but the rubber guns and sunken dorsal let it down before the finish nightmares are talked about, another tenner to sort out its faults and sell as a collectable and they'd be onto a winner but do they listen ??

Totally agree.. FOV's efforts have been very poor throughout their range, although the early entry levels and prices at £6-£8 was not bad for the money, but of late prices have crept-up (like others) whilst quality and offerings have not...

[dilligafocau]

I think the best 1/72 Unimax Ive seen so far was that NF Hurrie, I don't mind some of their 1/32 Tanks and am partial to the odd 1/16 piece of armour :)

Ive given up on their 1/32 aircraft completely :rolleyes:

[corgi956]

Totally agree about the NF Hurri. Only FOV plane I have because of the quality issues but this one ain't half bad. :)

Paintwork is a bit shoddy but it looks battle-scarred :wacko: and IMPO, looks good.

If I had space to display any of my stuff, it would be in there with the other all black aircraft.

[P51D]

Totally agree about the NF Hurri. Only FOV plane I have because of the quality issues but this one ain't half bad. :)

Paintwork is a bit shoddy but it looks battle-scarred :wacko: and IMPO, looks good.

If I had space to display any of my stuff, it would be in there with the other all black aircraft.


Only have that one and the zero. Both pretty good....but worst packed models i have ever seen. Unlikely to buy any more unless they produce something really unusual!

[no4mkit]

Just had a look at the new Unimax Flying Tigers "White 47" P-40B Warhawk photos over at the Mule, the fit & finish of this thing is terrible


It's really too bad that FOV can't get their game together. The basic casting is good, but the paint always is a disappointment. Their first P-40B was better if a bit plain. I will eventually get one though and try to salvage the finish, but at $20?.... not a chance. And I fully agree that their 1/32nd line is a complete waste of metal! :rolleyes:

[von hitchofen]

I think the best 1/72 Unimax Ive seen so far was that NF Hurrie,

the NF Hurri and the B26 are the only FOV 1/72s I have...neither are on display any more...need I say more? :rolleyes:

[CFBC]

What I have just acquired are the two latest Forces of Valor 1/72nd fighters...

The first, Mk IX Spitfire. Looks a very good casting and have to say very much improved over the previous castings, detailing is good, buuild quality is not that good and again I have a few blobs of glue where they should not be, but overall and this is the thing for the money (£16-£18) trhen this is overall very good with removable side engine covers.

Will try and get some photographs done tomorrow.

The second, a P-40B again not seen over here by FOV, looks good, just about to remove from packaging so cannot be 100% sure, but don't expect to keep your pckaging! Three tight bands of wire need cutting and then you have to destroy your box to get the u/c and engine cover and small plastic stand out.

Just about to assemble, so again some photographs tomorrow!

:)

[arctic-nomad]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/844722/VA.jpg


Is this new one any improvement? Looks a bit heavy on weathering maybe?

[david cotton]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/844722/VA.jpg


Is this new one any improvement? Looks a bit heavy on weathering maybe?


Are they D-Day markings :unsure: .....or just very thick black chinese pubic hairs laying on the wings :eek:

I would rather put my left testical through a mangal, than buy one of these FOV Marauders.:(

They don't air brush em....the workers pluck out their own body hairs to brush the paint on :mad: total pile of ransid cat sh1te ....now in 2 colours :(

[Edward Papazian]

Just had a look at the new Unimax Flying Tigers "White 47" P-40B Warhawk photos over at the Mule, the fit & finish of this thing is terrible http://www.airliners.net/discussions/graphics/smilies/vomit.gif
Corgi's P40's are under no threat whatsoever :)

I think you mean "White 68". I bought this P-40B despite the way it looked in pictures posted by the seller, which showed the usual ugly underwing screw holes plus the lack of wing and other markings, which were not made up for by that oversized flying tiger emblem. Also, the brown looked more like sand. After I fixed the model up, including plugging those holes with putty, it came out rather well. See the before and after shots, below:

[prune]

Are they D-Day markings :unsure: .....or just very thick black chinese pubic hairs laying on the wings :eek:

I would rather put my left testical through a mangal, than buy one of these FOV Marauders.:(

They don't air brush em....the workers pluck out their own body hairs to brush the paint on :mad: total pile of ransid cat sh1te ....now in 2 colours :(

Dont be too hard on it dc,the Chinese worker who put yours together was just having a bad day:LOL:

[KO-B]

Nice transformation EP, a pity though the FoV needs so much work. I understand their first P-40 was pretty well recieved? Seems another case of decent basic castings let down by poor execution and gimmicky removable parts.

KO-B

[prune]

After I fixed the model up, including plugging those holes with putty, it came out rather well. See the before and after shots, below:

Another great job EP,that P-40 mold is a good one.

[Martin Bull]

I have to confess that the FOV Me262 'Heinz Bar' which I so unwisely purchased is now headed for the local landfill ; truly 'dumped'.

You can't win 'em all......:(

[p-51d]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-10/844722/VA.jpg


Is this new one any improvement? Looks a bit heavy on weathering maybe?

This thing should sell in huge numbers , it's just too toy like with rubber guns, it's a shame as it's a much requested type and in D-DAY markings , come on Corgi or HM get this out and or a Boston PDQ .

[Agent X20]

Still like to see a finished article first... From that photo, I'd put a pooch B17 against that.. with is hideous nasal join lines, lack of waist guns, silly undercarriage (sits too high - or peeps dont put the legs in properly..) ..... :)

[CFBC]

This thing should sell in huge numbers ,

Yep, it should, however the finish by FOV in terms of build and quality is very hit and miss and as such make it poor, but they from whet I hear still sell well along with the rest of their range... Their pricing is very good, just wish they would sort out their quality and finish.

The new Spitfire I have here has rubber cannons! :D ((((twang))))

[Martin Bull]

The new Spitfire I have here has rubber cannons! :D ((((twang))))

Brings back some memories.....;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTnvhGHDGA

[dilligafocau]

Well as far as FOV Aircraft are concerned........:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgepWg4rzw&feature=related

[Wolster]

Well as far as FOV Aircraft are concerned........:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgepWg4rzw&feature=related

"This video is not available in your country."

Strange??

:confused:

[Martin Bull]

Well as far as FOV Aircraft are concerned........:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rgepWg4rzw&feature=related

Oh, very droll ! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[Agent X20]

"This video is not available in your country."

Strange??

:confused:

No... the Latvians have taste...:LOL: :LOL:


Yep... we naturally assume that everyone can just click on a link... speaking to a Far Eastern connection... they cant access some forums...:(

(MHII/III jibe comes next..)

[biffo]

The best model F.O.V. have come up with so far that i've seen in the flesh is the black matt N/Fighter Hurrie(see my waiting for Beaufighter pic thread) the Pearl Harbour P40 a close 2nd;)

[Edward Papazian]

The best model F.O.V. have come up with so far that i've seen in the flesh is the black matt N/Fighter Hurrie(see my waiting for Beaufighter pic thread) the Pearl Harbour P40 a close 2nd;)

Except for the wrong color and a stick-on pitot head, the FOV Zero is pretty good also. I guess Ive been luckier than most with this brand. Aside from some easily corrected overspray issues, my first B-26 and B-25 were acceptable---though not superb----and I like that Hurricane night fighter, too, although I toned down its weathering a tad. Even the Stukas---despite having two pitot heads----were well worth the money. The F4U, however had a bad fit on the engine part, causing a droopy aspect which I don't like and the cowl fit on a recent Spit was terrible. So, you win some and lose some.

[johnnyboy]

The only FOV model I have in my collection is the P40B apart the way it sits on its undercarriage I like it, Its the only early model out there so unless another comes along to replace it will stay in my cabinet
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/PICT0021.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o223/johnnyboy_041/PICT0017-3.jpg

[KO-B]

The best model F.O.V. have come up with so far that i've seen in the flesh is the black matt N/Fighter Hurrie(see my waiting for Beaufighter pic thread) the Pearl Harbour P40 a close 2nd;)

Have to agree with this, I'm pretty happy with my FoV Hurri. Shapes not quite as good as Corgi's, but it's certainly not a model I'm ashamed to display. (Unlike the SEAC liveried model that was one of my first diecast aviation purchases...:o )
Actually I thought the weathering on the nightfighter Hurri was pretty good, looked about right for a hard working aircraft, maybe the black helped to disguise some of FoV's worst excesses?

KO-B

[no4mkit]

excellent pics jb. :cool

[Punks]

This thing should sell in huge numbers , it's just too toy like with rubber guns, it's a shame as it's a much requested type and in D-DAY markings , come on Corgi or HM get this out and or a Boston PDQ .

I really quite like it. But there no accounting for taste, good or bad, it truly is in the eye of the beholder.

Besides if you buy one and don't like you could always send it to me. :rolleyes:

[Martin Bull]

My FOV B-26 Marauder 'Shootin' In' just arrived......

...and to my total amazement, it's not as bad as I thought it'd be ! :wacko:

OK, OK - it can't be considered in the same light as a Corgi or Hobbymaster model, but it's easily the best FOV model I've yet seen ( and it definitely won't be headed directly for the landfill ! ). For the price - just over £30, I don't feel robbed.

The finish is poor, but not as bad as has been described elsewhere ; there seems to be a fair bit of hand-painting, so I'd guess the quality varies considerably from model to model. No hairs or dust in mine, but there are a couple of small black smears on the bomb-bay doors ( which I'll paint over ). Ironically, the olive-drab finish almost seems to have accidental 'oil patches' on it, which is probably rather like the real thing looked in 1944 ! The plastic add-on bits ( u/c doors, bomb-doors ) aren't very good at all, and the guns are just rubbishy.

But on the plus side, the model does actually look quite a bit like a B-26. Maybe a little 'podgy', but overall the 'look' is captured ( and it is a pretty aircraft ). Markings and detail are reasonable, and ( bizarre ! :unsure: ) the cockpit figures are well-detailed.

Have to say, I like it....:o .....and as I've said before, I'm biased 'cos it's a Chipping Ongar aircraft and I never thought I'd have a model of something which flew from that airfield.

http://387bg.com/Aircraft/B-26%2043-34581.htm

[von hitchofen]

The plastic add-on bits ( u/c doors, bomb-doors ) aren't very good at all, and the guns are just rubbishy.


its a pretty good model for the price...its just the pingy bits that let it down...don't know if I'd buy another one, even if they did "Flak Bait"....bet you won't buy the FOV Mitchell, MB! ;)

[no4mkit]

My FOV B-26 Marauder 'Shootin' In' just arrived......

...and to my total amazement, it's not as bad as I thought it'd be ! :wacko:


Cool - can you post a pic, MB? :cool



and ( bizarre ! :unsure: ) the cockpit figures are well-detailed.



I was surprised too MB when (ages ago) I opened up my first FOV Hurricane for modification. The pilot was better detailed than anything I've seen in a 1/72 diecast plane!

[KO-B]

I was surprised too MB when (ages ago) I opened up my first FOV Hurricane for modification. The pilot was better detailed than anything I've seen in a 1/72 diecast plane!

That's good to hear as he's so deeply buried in there that you'd never know otherwise...

KO-B

[Martin Bull]

....bet you won't buy the FOV Mitchell, MB! ;)

Definitely, absolutely not - and there's no need to ; the Corgi one is superb.

But with no other B-26 out there ( or likely to be for quite some time ) this one is fair. I'm sitting here right now wielding the paintbrush to cover up some of FOV's Mr Wong horrid bits......;)

[dilligafocau]

Definitely, absolutely not - and there's no need to ; the Corgi one is superb.

But with no other B-26 out there ( or likely to be for quite some time ) this one is fair. I'm sitting here right now wielding the paintbrush to cover up some of FOV's Mr Wong horrid bits......;)

Its OK to call 'em pubic hairs MB :D

[Martin Bull]

Cool - can you post a pic, MB? :cool



Here we go.....these are real 'happy-snaps' taken this minute in front of my computer ( note tin of Humbrol 64 and paintbrush...:unsure: )...

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Toys/B-26001.jpg

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Toys/B-26002.jpg

To be fair, the 'horrid bits' are all on the underside - the Humbrol grey has quickly covered the black smears. The bomb and u/c doors need a little fettling but it still looks nice....;)

[uksubs]

Here we go.....these are real 'happy-snaps' taken this minute in front of my computer ( note tin of Humbrol 64 and paintbrush...:unsure: )...

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Toys/B-26001.jpg

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Toys/B-26002.jpg

To be fair, the 'horrid bits' are all on the underside - the Humbrol grey has quickly covered the black smears. The bomb and u/c doors need a little fettling but it still looks nice....;)

On mine the middle upper turret was sitting to low , but can be pushed up ;)

[gary ford]

Nice Work by Martin Bull on what is one of the best value model you can buy for its size. Not purfect by a long chalk, but captures this important aircraft very well

Also if you look at pictures of the Widow Maker it does show the turret seated very low

If this model was done to a trade standard by a number of companies popular on the forum, I would think it would be close to £50.00 or £60.00 retail.

The highest number of Bombing missions flown by any allied Bomber was over 300 and it was a Martin B26. The B26 like most of its mates was scrapped in Europe at the end of the war.

[Martin Bull]

Found this very :cool: image of the actual aircraft ( pre-invasion stripe era ) in action.........

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/51/48351-004-BFBFD176.jpg

[no4mkit]

Thanks for the pic MB. Model doesn't look bad at all. :cool

[fozzy45]

I just love the look of the B26 its such a fantastic looking medium bomber. No doubt about it when it came to mediums the Yanks covered the market with the Mitchell and the Marauder. Still we know who had the best "heavy" (and I'm not including the B29 as that one was just plain unfare!) - and no its not the bl....dy Stirling!!

[CFBC]

Please find below a few photograhps of the latest FOV releases to hit the UK. OK, now... Don't expect them to be of Corgi quality as the RRP on these I believe is around the mid-late teens, but for the money I think they are "ok", but as we have come to expect from FOV, the build and finish is not perfect and they have tried to weather also... It works some of the way!

The engine cases are removable, but expect to take ages re-fitting and getting them to re-fit is a nightmare. The u/c is better than the original ones I bought a couple of years ago too.. Sit's better and firmer when inserting! :D

Forget the packaging as once opened, it's destroyed and also forget the stand too... Cheap, clear plastic (if you can get them assembled). :D

Overall, ok. ;) :)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVP40B1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVP40B2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVP40B3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVP40B4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVP40B5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVP40B6.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVSpit1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVSpit2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVSpit3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVSpit4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVSpit5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/FOVSpit6.jpg

[Edward Papazian]

I have both of these models, CFBC, and I must say that in their unaltered form, they leave something to be desired. Apart from questions I've heard about its colors, the Spitfire isn't a bad buy for the money. However, the fit of those side panels on the engine housing was very poor on my model causing me to do a good deal of sanding. Eventually, I had to employ putty to fill up a gap on one side and touch up the area with some paint.

As for the P-40B, the sand color should probably be earth brown and the wing gun barrels should not be painted green or sand, but a more appropriate gun metal. Still worse, they've left off all of the tail, front fuselage and wing markings and doubled the size of the flying tiger emblem on the side of the plane. All in all, a very sloppy job. I fixed up my model but many collectors may not be willing to do so much work to make things right.

[johnnyboy]

What can one say about that Spitfire other than those panels lines are so subdued:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: At least its got bombs,

FOV got the colours wrong on the P40 they should be Drk Green, Earth and Sky as per RAF. The Pearl Harbour one is much nicer IMHO

[minter]

Found this very :cool: image of the actual aircraft ( pre-invasion stripe era ) in action.........

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/51/48351-004-BFBFD176.jpg

wheres the pilot?

[david cotton]

wheres the pilot?


That looks like a hell of a lot of Bombs for a mediem bomber :eek: :unsure:

[Martin Bull]

A fairly usual bombload for B-26s attacking Luftwaffe airfields, marshalling yards, etc was 30 x 100lb bombs to spread the damage as far as possible.....

[david cotton]

A fairly usual bombload for B-26s attacking Luftwaffe airfields, marshalling yards, etc was 30 x 100lb bombs to spread the damage as far as possible.....

They look bigger than 50kg bombs....but I can't be sure :unsure:

They also all seem to becoming from the centre of the aircraft's bombbay :confused:

I'm not an expert :o , but are we sure the photo is not doctored :unsure:

[Martin Bull]

The USAAF 100lb bomb ( unique to the USAAF - not used by the RAF ) was the same length as a 500lb, but much thinner. All the bombs in a B-26 bomb-bay were staggered and stacked in two central rows alongside each other.