Vickers Valiant

[Vbombers3]

Why doesn't Corgi make a Valiant?

[kevjb64]

Originally posted by Vbombers3 .Why doesn't Corgi...........


This is unfortunately like the football pools , please pick any 8 from 11

[charley]

Why doesn't Corgi make a Valiant?

Cos they is stoopid!!!! :rolleyes: :p

[Vbombers3]

Cos they is stoopid!!!! :rolleyes: :p

But they make Vulcans and Victors, their catalogues show many. Does their future production programme include Valiants? How can I complete my collection?

[charley]

buy a resin one of GT Models... Valiant will never happen.. Corgi say not enough schemes???? Pants if you ask me.....

[Agent X20]

Mr Charles is right on there.. if it begins with V it better be a VC10..!!

[Vbombers3]

It seems other people like the Valiant.
http://www.flight-manuals-on-cd.com/VALIANT.html
I think this site is from New Zealand.

[scrounger]

oh dear, not this again.

there have been loads of people ask for the valiant even myself, but i dont think its ever going to happen.

[shuttle]

As GT have already done half the work, plus the sales of the Vulcan and Victor appear to be healthy, it would not be to much of a risk for Corgi to produce this one. It would sell well on it own and as part of a set. Some good schemes plus combat experience make it a genuine subject for a release. Maybe the chap in Corgi who authorised the production of the Buccaneer would also like to push for the Valiant as well?

:D Shuttle

[goonybird]

Trouble with a Valiant is that would have to be 1/144th. I can't see corgi doing much in 1/144th, as 1/72nd appears to be their 'golden egg'
The last all new 1/144th casting was the B52 in May 2002, thats almost 3 years ago. Only thing since has been modified toolings, eg Awacs and yet to appear Super Connie.
Much as I want to see a Valiant and a VC10, the thorough ineptidude of the management, and subsequent policy changes have killed this. :mad:
If you wish a Valiant or TSR2 look elsewhere, as you will become old and gray waiting, and I'm old and gray now.

[ForkTailedDevil]

A GT resin Valiant and an Exclusive Models TSR2 in 1:144 have been on my shopping list for a long time but a combined total of £250 plus P+P always makes me whince even though I have the money for the set, actually I have the money for a couple more than a bakers dozen worth of these sets but no room and no sustainable excuse to get them :(

Well the one excuse I have is to line up a picture with the 3 V's and a TSR2 in it just to make the 1:144 lovers on the page weep. :p

[Vbombers3]

I can take it, forktaildevil. Post your piccies of the Valiant and I'll cry like a man. It's the honourable thing to do. :o

[NeilD]

Now THIS is the sort of thing we need.... :D

[NeilD]

Valiants are gonna be a DIY job I'm afraid...

[ForkTailedDevil]

Since Corgi say they won't do a Valiant due to lack of schemes etc can any of us suggest a few interesting airframes worth doing?

How about Valiant B.1 WZ366 which dropped Britains first nuclear bomb, the Blue Danube, on 11th October 1956.

or

Valiant B.1 XD814 of 148 Squadron which dropped the first bombs of the Suez Crisis

or


Valiant B.1 XD818 which dropped Britiains first hydrogen bomb (which didn't work properly) on 15th of May 1957 on Malden Island. It is also preserved at Hendon, being the only remaining Valiant

or

Valiant B.1 XD816 which took part in the flypast to mark the disbandment of Bomber Command.

or

Valiant B(PR).1, WZ392, one a a few converted to the Photo Reconaisance role

or

Valiant BK.1s. The tanker version which was the version many of the Valiants ended their careers

So, thats six without even trying.

The sole Valiant B.2, WJ954, thats the beautiful black one with the nose and wheel fairing extensions, is a different proposition . The black scheme was applied as it was intended as a "pathfinder", penetrating to a target area at low level and marking it with flares for a follow-up strike by other bombers. Unfortunately this variant is 180cm longer ahead of the wings and thus would require fiddling with the mould, aswell as adding the wheel fairing extensions on the wings.

In terms of numbers, 104 productions variants along with 3 prototypes were made.

Another variant worthy of mention is the "radio countermeasures (RCM)" role as it was known them, but is now more commonly called ECM. About 7 conversions to this standard where made.

The only problem I see is that many of them are only in white. Personally I'm not a fan of the Corgi white V-bomber set cos of its looks.Interestingly in terms of the insignia however, the RAF roundels on Valiants were left in solid red-white-blue but it was thought that this insignia might be permanently burned into an aircraft by a blast; in the other V-bombers, the roundel became faded pink-white-violet. Personally if you have been dropping nuclear weapons having a roundel burned permanently into your wing is the least of your worries.

Any other airframes of interest?

[CFBC]

Personally FTD I think Corgi are side-stepping this one for some reason.... :confused:

We all know it's available for mucho-dosh elsewhere which we do believe has some connections with Corgi in the past, but I would not put hand on heart and say thats the reason why!!

if ure not sure who it is, then take a look at Tri's site and see the alternative manufacturer... :)

I could be totally wrong of course....

[kevjb64]

Trouble with a Valiant is that would have to be 1/144th. I can't see corgi doing much in 1/144th, as 1/72nd appears to be their 'golden egg'
The last all new 1/144th casting was the B52 in May 2002, thats almost 3 years ago. Only thing since has been modified toolings, eg Awacs and yet to appear Super Connie.


I think much of the answer lies in this post . I cannot confirm if it is still Corgi policy ( after another recent cabinet shuffle ) but two things seemed obvious and connected . Corgi wanted a bigger share of the US market
( Dragon got that some time ago which is why I agree with Agent and think they are after Corgi's jugular ) so that meant larger scale . Larger scale also usually leads to larger profit , so when 1:72 proved more popular than 1:144 they concentrated on 1:72 ( specially WWII / Military ) . They then spent a fortune on 1:32 R&D and bigger aircraft in 1:72 hoping everyone would concentrate on them . This policy was an all round disaster , not only has 1:32 and the four engined 1:72 not been a success but the lack of funding available for new single seater / twin engined 1:72 has meant they have continued to churn out model after model from the same moulds to the point that no one wants to buy them anymore either . Also USA has not gone for corgi in a big way .
I still do not think this will improve the situation for 1:144 fans but hopefully they are trying to sort out 1:72 . I think 1:32 will not survive either !

[goonybird]

Thank yopu Kevjb64 for one of the most constructive and intuitive posts I have seen for weeks on this forum. Totally sums up what others and myself have been trying to say for ages. Prospects definitely not good for the long term.


and I was losing hope :confused:

[Vbombers3]

So everyone is of the opinion that Corgi will release no Valiant? :confused:

I shall have to change my name to Vbombers2 in that case. :(

[Agent X20]

Better do that then.. seems they have kinda left the 1/144th folk high and dry..

Been banging on for yonks as to a Valiant.. never had this much trouble trying to pull a woman.... :D :D :D

[goonybird]

So everyone is of the opinion that Corgi will release no Valiant? :confused:

I shall have to change my name to Vbombers2 in that case. :(

More like Vbombers0 as unlikely well see any more from Corgi! :D

[CFBC]

So everyone is of the opinion that Corgi will release no Valiant? :confused:

I shall have to change my name to Vbombers2 in that case. :(

Keep watching and praying V3, you never know!! ;) One day....

(wait for the negative vibes)

[kevjb64]

Bark , Bark , Bark . Thats one of my dog impressions !!

[CFBC]

That should be "woof, woof" :)

Anyway, we digress, but have to agree with your other posting that Corgi have to find their feet again (get back to basics) and start producing the "core" subjects again that got them established.....

[kevjb64]

No woof woof would be my OTHER dog impression .

[Agent X20]

Like blooming Crufts in here... :p

[Albert Ross]

We are getting quite close to a Valiant...you wouldn't know HOW close and it would make you weep if you knew what it has been upstaged by!! :o

[DCRanger]

Take it that the new catalogue is out soon? :)

[spock1]

Take it that the new catalogue is out soon? :)

:D Not more than 3 weeks away, dare say the leaks will be showing anytime around now.......... :rolleyes:

[spock1]

We are getting quite close to a Valiant...you wouldn't know HOW close and it would make you weep if you knew what it has been upstaged by!! :o

:D I wonder if LOGIC might have pervaded here, could we yet see a 1/72 Vulcan ??........... :rolleyes:

[Vbombers3]

We are getting quite close to a Valiant...you wouldn't know HOW close and it would make you weep if you knew what it has been upstaged by!! :o

Do you work for Corgi Albert Ross and should I cry? I have wanted a Valiant for oogles now to go with my Vulcans and Victors. Can you tell us what upstaged the Valiant?

[Vbombers3]

I know now its the white York finally being produced isn't it? ;)

[Agent X20]

VC10.... :D

[The Defiant Man]

From uncle A it sounds like we might get a Valiant early 2006......if we are going to weep over what beat it to the catalogue in 2nd half 2005 it doesn't sound too promising......

[shuttle]

I think the Valiant was beaten by:

A Vulcan with working 'Blue Steel' or a 707 with a working 'Blue Steel' or a Dakota with working 'supply drop' feature or a pink Dakota or a blue Dakota or a grey Dakota or a 'Spruce Goose' or a 'blimp' or a 'blimp' with working 'display sign' or finally, a new range of diecast 1:1 flying birds, starting with a 'Blue tit (with a working Blue Steel(?))'!!

:D Shuttle

[ForkTailedDevil]

We are getting quite close to a Valiant...you wouldn't know HOW close and it would make you weep if you knew what it has been upstaged by!! :o

So basically we were going to get a Valiant very soon but something new is being produced that can actually upstage a Valiant? Very few Corgi (military)collectors would be able to think of a new casting that they would rather have than a Valiant. Contenders-
VC10?
Tiffie?
MiG 17
Sabre?
Me 262?
Nimrod?
Late mark Spitfire?

Or do you mean we are getting a brand new casting that no-one wants?

[plumstix]

Concorde, finally? No probably not.

[shuttle]

I think I was closer to the truth as it sounds like it was upstaged by a right stinker!!!

:D Shuttle

[goonybird]

Probably 1/144th largish Bomber? US or other origin? doubt if we would get a Tu95 as too esoteric. More like a B47?. B58, B36 be nice though. More likely a nimrod? :confused:

[shuttle]

Goonybird,

I just get the impression it is something that will cause outrage!! A Nimrod or VC-10 wouldn't. Maybe your American bomber theory has some substance? Remember, Corgi USA seem to have a lot of power these days and could offer up a alternative American subject to keep the Valiant at bay. Bob the Yank will be gutted if it is true!!!

:D Shuttle

[goonybird]

Goonybird,

I just get the impression it is something that will cause outrage!! A Nimrod or VC-10 wouldn't. Maybe your American bomber theory has some substance? Remember, Corgi USA seem to have a lot of power these days and could offer up a alternative American subject to keep the Valiant at bay. Bob the Yank will be gutted if it is true!!!

:D Shuttle

Yeah Shuttle this is a weird one. As what largish mil. planes are there that haven't been done? Thats why I was going the b47 route. nice but ultimately disappointing. cant think of much else? prop or jet.

[shuttle]

Goonybird,

Whatever the truth, at least we now know that the Valiant is being discussed by Corgi as a subject and that Uncle Albert is pushing for it so fingers crossed!!

I am just glad that either Albert (or a Corgi 'mole') is taking note of the forum. Albert's comments over the last 24 hours have been very interesting!

:) Shuttle

[plumstix]

Maybe it's another Lib this time in 1:144.

[kevjb64]

That would be wonderful ( NOT ) but it seems obvious a Valiant would be a success . Has been a long long time since I purchased a 1/144 but this would do it .

[Albert Ross]

Goonybird,

Whatever the truth, at least we now know that the Valiant is being discussed by Corgi as a subject and that Uncle Albert is pushing for it so fingers crossed!!

I am just glad that either Albert (or a Corgi 'mole') is taking note of the forum. Albert's comments over the last 24 hours have been very interesting!

:) Shuttle

I AM that mole!

[The Defiant Man]

Maybe it's another Lib this time in 1:144.

Just what I was thinking as I was scrolling down the thread......

[Agent X20]

Galaxy....

[Seafire47]

I think a Liberator is the most likely choice. It's been asked for many times by the 1/144 fans and having done the 1/72 model it should be relatively easy to scale it down.

As "Liberator" is almost as dirty a word as "Zero" on the forum it would certainly fit in with Albert's comment that Valiant fans will weep when they find out what they're getting instead. :D

[Albert Ross]

Galaxy....

Prefer Cadburys :rolleyes:

[kevjb64]

I think a Liberator is the most likely choice. It's been asked for many times by the 1/144 fans and having done the 1/72 model it should be relatively easy to scale it down.

As "Liberator" is almost as dirty a word as "Zero" on the forum it would certainly fit in with Albert's comment that Valiant fans will weep when they find out what they're getting instead. :D


Very Spockish argument there Seafire , would'nt bet against you .

[Agent X20]

Oh dear.... :(

1/72 for the things with guns
1/144 for the airliners.... :D

[The Defiant Man]

Oh dear.... :(

1/72 for the things with guns
1/144 for the airliners.... :D

Selfishly I'd go along with that.....only collect 1/72 military.... :p

[CFBC]

Corgi "guard" the secret third "V".... Seen today... :)

P.S - It's free to see Corgi... :D

[Vbombers3]

I think the Valiant was beaten by:

A Vulcan with working 'Blue Steel' or a 707 with a working 'Blue Steel' or a Dakota with working 'supply drop' feature or a pink Dakota or a blue Dakota or a grey Dakota or a 'Spruce Goose' or a 'blimp' or a 'blimp' with working 'display sign' or finally, a new range of diecast 1:1 flying birds, starting with a 'Blue tit (with a working Blue Steel(?))'!!

:D Shuttle

Ha ha Shuttle you make me chuckle. You have a fine sense of humour!

[BSteinIPMS]

Goonybird,

I just get the impression it is something that will cause outrage!! A Nimrod or VC-10 wouldn't. Maybe your American bomber theory has some substance? Remember, Corgi USA seem to have a lot of power these days and could offer up a alternative American subject to keep the Valiant at bay. Bob the Yank will be gutted if it is true!!!

:D Shuttle

BTY is experiencing some minor disappointment, Shuttle, but he has a coping mechanism in place. (Newcastle Brown Ale.... :D )

I'd not mind there being no Valiant if I knew it were displaced by a VC10 (surely Corgi can easily pump out 50 very different schemes and liveries for this classic) or a ........dare I even contemplate such a thing?.......a Convair B-36? :eek: What a stablemate model for Corgi's B-52 series. I wonder if I should get on my soapbox and lobby for a B-36? ;)

[Vbombers3]

BTY is experiencing some minor disappointment, Shuttle, but he has a coping mechanism in place. (Newcastle Brown Ale.... :D )

I'd not mind there being no Valiant if I knew it were displaced by a VC10 (surely Corgi can easily pump out 50 very different schemes and liveries for this classic) or a ........dare I even contemplate such a thing?.......a Convair B-36? :eek: What a stablemate model for Corgi's B-52 series. I wonder if I should get on my soapbox and lobby for a B-36? ;)

I think it might have been the Nimrod that postponed the Valiant Bsteinipms. Glad to see the Nimrod and I'll add one to my collection but I wonder how many liveries it appeared in?

[shuttle]

Bob and Vbombers3,

I still think the Herky Bird and chopper knocked the Valiant on the head as it has not been asked for by anyone (as far as I know). The Nimrod, being a mighty fine aircraft, has not caused any 'howls of pain' from forum members as I think it has been asked for quite a lot. I am still very keen to see how Corgi produce the new Hercules set. Will the Pavehawk be a diecast?

I think Corgi USA could do a B-36 but is there enough schemes to get the investment back?

:) Shuttle

[NeilD]

will the Herk and Helo combo come with poles so that you can display them 'in flight' like the chinook and Landrover?? think you're right, was probably this that scuppered the Valiant..
Neil.

[sniperUK]

Would have loved the Valiant but no complaints from me about the Herc/Pavehawk as one of my interests is Spec ops, on the same theme RAF herc tanker with Merlin or HC3 Chinook.