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Brad

17th August 2004, 04:14

Memphis Belle does look great! So does Yankee Doodle, although I wonder why they chose a livery with very little artwork. The coastal command seems to be a favorite with the brits, and I have to say the Coastal Fortress and the Coastal Lib look awesome displayed side by side. I have mine displayed like that with the two Royal Navy Corsairs flying below them in formation.
While I do like the Minookie and Sweet and Lovely, the green on them seems just a little off.

Typhoon-MKV

17th August 2004, 07:00

Yeah we need the Classic Silver, they do seem to have bought out a lot of green coloured ones.....

Agent Carr

17th August 2004, 11:54

Like the B17 however agree that they are a bit green. Silver battle scared version would really turn me on.

CFBC

17th August 2004, 13:19

Steady on A/C...... Don't get too excited or else...... I have to agreethat a silver battle scared B17 would be nice...... (there Stealth, ive confessed it)......

I keep losing the green ones in the undergrowth!!!

SSRST

17th August 2004, 17:34

They are really nice. I think the reason for the coastal command b17s popularity is the very attractive price. You can pick these up at £40 now.

I think the memphis belle is the best though.

jasgreeny

17th August 2004, 19:09

I love the B17s after seeing the Memphis Belle film. Love my Memphis belle model but was a bit disappointed with the waist gun positions being covered over, think it would look much better if they had open hatches with two little gunners inside?

Would be even better if they brought out a limited run, say 1000 of the Memphis Belle in a weathered/battle scared edition with the above open waist guns and the radio operators gun position open at the ready. Be great to see one in full battle dress so to speak, a true representation of how they would have looked during their working days rather than a museum piece

jasgreeny

17th August 2004, 20:17

WJP?

18th August 2004, 00:18

I have the Memphis Belle and Miss Minookie. Like the Memphis Belle the best. I am waiting to see what else comes out before considering the coastal command. Going to try to limit myself to 3 of each of the heavy bombers.

jasgreeny

18th August 2004, 20:40

Ive only got one each of the big birds but have space for more if the right one comes along or they appear at the right price

charley

18th August 2004, 20:47

Memphis Belle, Strawberry Bitch and S-Sugar are my 3 Big Birds! have been tempted by Costal Command Stuff thought... Not looking to aquire any more...

Aeronut

18th August 2004, 21:51

I also agree some of the greens look at little to lime to me, and havent bought for this reason. Being such a large model it appears a sea of green, needs something to break it up a bit Weathering perhaps????? :)

I've got Sweet and lovely and agree the green looks very erm.....green !
I think you are right about the weathering , we are used to seeing B17's after they've been sitting out in the east anglian weather for a couple of year's , but not so long ago I remember seeing some photo's of a B17 that is based in france now , it had just had a total respray with just the stars and lettering to go on , and the green they used did look just like that as used on Sweet and lovely ! pehaps thats how they looked new in the 1940's

jasgreeny

24th August 2004, 12:09

Albert?

are we likely to see a all silver 17G in 2005, will it be modelled on an exsisting museum aircraft or other? :)

minter

24th August 2004, 15:54

a silver b-17 ,could the obvious one be a bit o lace, but if i bought one have got the raf coastal command one in my sights, looks neat.

Typhoon-MKV

25th August 2004, 07:11

Yeah Bit o Lace has to be the one......

CFBC

25th August 2004, 09:02

That would be a lovely addition to my collection!!

Lofty

25th August 2004, 21:03

Just received Yankee Doodle from that jolly nice Mr Chapman chappie from Evilbay "Airbase" summat or other is his nom de plume
If ya reading this thanx Boyo!
Right got to go and wind Mr Spock up over CHC ltd model..........

Typhoon-MKV

28th August 2004, 20:49

jasgreeny

15th October 2004, 16:41

So Al weve had hints about what Lanc and Mozzie we can expect. What about the fort, Are we going to see an all silver one then ?? :)

Typhoon-MKV

15th October 2004, 23:19

Well there have been no hints dropped.....

Agent X20

15th October 2004, 23:56

Bit of Lace...... has to be.... they have done it in every scale so far.. and Armour do a 1/48th one for the same sort of money...

CFBC

16th October 2004, 00:08

Gotta be Agentx... Now that would look good if done right!! :)

Agent X20

16th October 2004, 00:10

Back to weathered models... this forum is circular..

simonclarke1034

16th October 2004, 07:07

I would love to see a B17G of "Chowhound" of 322nd BS,91st BG (RAF BASSINGBOURNE). If IM right I think this was in Robert Taylors painting called "Helping Hand" where its flying home with battle damage and a P51 Mustang is escorting it! Agree with everyone above theres loads of different colour schemes they can do. :rolleyes:

barretpa

16th October 2004, 07:22

Bit o Lace or Sentimenental Journey it will have to be one or the other, best two choices in my opinion :cool:

jasgreeny

16th October 2004, 12:40

C.H.C newsletter says they have got 2nd patches in stock now, has anyone seen one of these in the flesh? if so what do you think?

Lofty

17th October 2004, 12:12

I'm bidding on one on Evilbay....so if you lot could S*d off !! So i can get it cheap i will luv ya all..... :D

ACES

17th October 2004, 15:53

Saw 2nd Patches at modelzone today,in my opinion the set of teeth on the nose ruin the model,which is a pity,because otherwise it looks good, with it also having waist gunners this time :(

eismeer

18th October 2004, 01:23

Gambit

18th October 2004, 02:56

I bought the "Memphis Belle" but have passed on the rest, mainly because of the colour schemes. I am hoping they will release a version with open waist guns. A Sally B or Bit of lace would be nice.

Typhoon-MKV

18th October 2004, 06:17

Saw the Eighth Army Airforce set at NEC (17.10.04) going for just £32.50 (1/72).Never bought it as i had already spent a fair wedge but now i am back home i am wishing i had splashed out the extra gyno and took the plunge.

Anybody got this set ?. Is it a good one to buy ?.

If i remember right didn't this set retail at around £120 ?.

Am kicking myself now. Please tell me it was crap :D .

At that price I should of if I were you, I got mine for £55.00 and I thought that was a good price.

I personally think the P47 in the set is one of Corgi's better P47's, and in fact is probably second only to NGNG.

It's a good set and for that price.....Blimey.....

barretpa

18th October 2004, 08:52

minter

18th October 2004, 08:55

I bought the "Memphis Belle" but have passed on the rest, mainly because of the colour schemes. I am hoping they will release a version with open waist guns. A Sally B or Bit of lace would be nice.

agree with that, dont like the colour schemes on most, an all silver one might have me reaching for me wallet!

shuttle

18th October 2004, 09:10

Am kicking myself now. Please tell me it was crap :D

Barretpa,

Apart from the B-17, the Mustang and the Thunderbolt it was crap! Stealth is correct is saying that the P-47 was one of the best. I am sure there are still a few floating around so you might get the chance again.

:) Shuttle

Lofty

18th October 2004, 09:20

Eismeer, you should hang your head in shame as the set retailed originally around £147 :eek:
Get a time machine and return to the scene of your "crime" :D

barretpa

18th October 2004, 09:23

My comment was aimed at eismeer, and i agree with you it is a very worth while set to have. I only picked it up a few weeks ago , had been putting off buying a B17 untill a G model came out, but what the hell it,s only money!!! :D :D

Lofty

18th October 2004, 09:32

Can't take it with you when you go....So might as well enjoy it whilst here...
Lets face it if you shuffle off this mortal coil in debt, you personally made a profit :D

shuttle

18th October 2004, 09:50

Barretpa,

I have picked up the 'Belle', 'Sweet and Lovely' and the Coastal Command B17 so far as well as the box set (Miss Minookie). Managed to get them all at a reduced price from either eBay or Modelzone. An all over silver 'G' model would be great. I was always inspired by the Airfix box art for their B-17 "A Bit O' Lace" so maybe this would be a good choice!

:) Shuttle

barretpa

18th October 2004, 09:53

Can't take it with you when you go....So might as well enjoy it whilst here...
Lets face it if you shuffle off this mortal coil in debt, you personally made a profit :D

Great thought think i,ll go out and buy a few more,can only improve my profit levels, at least thats what i,ll tell the wife. :eek: :eek:

raff

18th October 2004, 10:11

IMHO the thing that makes the B17 model stand out from the rest are the flaps. Displayed with them and gear down and seen from underneath they really do look the business. I was very disappointed they weren't incorporated into the Lancasters and Liberators .... I just hope they'll bring 'em back on future models. Working lights or flaps? No contest. :mad:

Picking up "Patches" from Sandown on the 30th. so keeping my fingers crossed it's as good as it looks [for once] in the catalogue.
I suppose "A Bit o' Lace" and "Sally B" are inevitable [I hope] but I'd also like to see something along the lines of the 381st Group aircraft illustrated in the "Flypast book of the Flying Fortress". [If you're a B-17 fan I can really recommend it] Now that's what I call weathered!

Sorry eismeer .. but the 8th air force set is very good. The B-17 green isn't anything like as garish as on others and I agree with Stealth that the P-47 is up there with NGNG. The Mustang though, has stayed in the box!
I'm sure you'll get another chance .. there were quite a few around a couple of months ago .. they can't all have gone.

raff

Agent Carr

18th October 2004, 11:53

Plenty of American sets still around i saw them as low as £45 last month and they still were not selling.

eismeer

19th October 2004, 00:51

So it looks like i made a big mistake not going the extra yard. :o

Ah well, maybe the same trader will be there on Dec 12th at the next one and will still have a few available........ ;) .

goonybird

19th October 2004, 20:40

So it looks like i made a big mistake not going the extra yard. :o

Ah well, maybe the same trader will be there on Dec 12th at the next one and will still have a few available........ ;) .

That particular trader is always there. Had the set last time for £36.50 (cheap then) Looked at that myself @32.50 , but wanted liberator and had limited funds. Thought the 1/72nd B17 Yankee doodle for £27.50 would've been my bet o'wise. :o

eismeer

19th October 2004, 21:13

Goonybird.

Might get myself an early Christmas prezzie then :cool:.

eismeer

20th October 2004, 03:46

Anyone see B17 Flying Legends on Discovery Wings last night ? .

It showed all the remaining 13 airworthy Forts around the world at this present time plus the history of the aircraft and its crews.

Had some favourites talked about hear.

They also spoke to the pilot of the Memphis Belle, Robert Morgan, and asked him about the documentary made during the war about the Belle and its crew. It was interesting to hear that he asked the producer of the documentary ' what would have happened if we had been shot down on our final (25th) mission '. The answer he received was ' not to worry, we had a back up '.

Apparrently there was another B17, Hells Angels, that was also nearing its 25th mission and would have become the focus of the documentary.

So if fate had not played its part we could have all been buying models of Hells Angels instead of the Belle.

One of the B17s featured on last nights programme was called 'Aluminium Overcast'. B17-G, silver, chin turret, big red tail.........What more could we want :D .

http://www.bomberflight.com/images/7e.jpg

http://www.bomberflight.com/images/7d.jpg

Pretty good site too ;) .

Red Leader

20th October 2004, 11:01

Does anyone havea Memphis Belle 1:72nd scale Corgi?
I was looking at one the other day and it didn't have awiste guns, but the box showed that it did. was the model correct? Or had it lost it's waist guns?

plumstix

20th October 2004, 12:14

I noticed that too (see Auntie Corgi's bloomers thread). I'm not sure which is correct.

Gambit

20th October 2004, 12:22

No waist guns.

jasgreeny

20th October 2004, 13:02

I emailed corgi asking them about that, i was rather miffed! they didnt give a reason or explanation but said the model had closed waist gun hatches :confused: which i think is a real shame

Ive said it before, would be great if they would bring out a modified version with said guns weathered & battle scarred. Its done 25 missions for petes sake!

Agent X20

20th October 2004, 16:22

Dont want the crew getting a chill.....

Lofty

20th October 2004, 20:41

S'posed to have movable tail rudder an' all :(

Typhoon-MKV

20th October 2004, 20:42

Now you cannot beat the Silver Fort with Coloured Tail.

The Dogs Danglies.....

raff

20th October 2004, 21:43

Now you cannot beat the Silver Fort with Coloured Tail.

The Dogs Danglies.....

Yup, especially if, like most dogs' danglies, they are weathered!

raff :D

Agent X20

20th October 2004, 22:16

A well liked model.... thank gawd for CFBC's dodgy keyboard.. seem to be missing a 'c'

Lofty

21st October 2004, 09:03

Thought i told you lot to let me win a cheap "patches" on Evilbay.... :rolleyes:
And you some of you B*gg*ers went and ran it up to over 50 quid :mad:
Now theres annuver one and i want it so back off and wait ya turn! :cool:

Agent X20

21st October 2004, 09:26

Why the hurry..?

It will be £30/40 like the others.. and remember its a G.. (for Germany) :D :D :D .. we will give it a logo....

tiger-sqn

23rd October 2004, 19:21

Hello all,

I have seen that Bit O Lace will be with us in Jan 05, but numbers are limited, as it is mainly a US release! :mad:
The uk catologue does not have a pic :( :( has anyone got one :confused:

CFBC

23rd October 2004, 19:30

Slow down Tiger.....!! No.. No UK piccies at present..... Perhaps one of our comrades in the US will help us out.......

I will have a good search also tomorrow and see if we can find it for yer....

:)

I'm just drooling over some of the other stuff.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tiger-sqn

23rd October 2004, 19:44

Cheers CFBC ;)

This forum stuff is great! a great source of information. :)

There are some beauties on their way!!!!!!! :p :p

CFBC

23rd October 2004, 20:46

N/P's Tiger... Spent 1/2hr trying to find information with no joy, but I will keep searching...... In the meantime if anyone comes-up with anything.... Please feel free to post it....

jasgreeny

25th October 2004, 01:55

So where are these darn pics ??

CFBC

25th October 2004, 08:37

I dunno JG.... I spent a good few hours last night going between search engines, shop and various places trying to finid piccies, but NOTHING.....

Seems very strange..... No marketing of them by Corgi in the States either!!!!!

tiger-sqn

26th October 2004, 03:55

Hey Uncle Albert,

Can you help? :confused: Some one at Corgi UK or US must have a pic of what Bit O Lace is going to look like! :rolleyes:

jasgreeny

27th October 2004, 01:55

Its sooooooooooooo frustrating!!!!

Been hopeing corgi would release this model (bot o lace) they have and its one of the few we cant get a pic of :mad:

why oh why oh why :mad:

Albert Ross

27th October 2004, 10:16

Hey Uncle Albert,

Can you help? :confused: Some one at Corgi UK or US must have a pic of what Bit O Lace is going to look like! :rolleyes:

They probably have, but I haven't seen one yet. No worries you know it's going to be GREAT ;)

Lofty

27th October 2004, 10:20

Good ol' Albert...Ever the salesman :D

Albert Ross

27th October 2004, 10:21

Albert?

are we likely to see a all silver 17G in 2005, will it be modelled on an exsisting museum aircraft or other? :)

Hope so, there are so many schemes to choose from. Any suggestions?

raff

27th October 2004, 16:54

They probably have, but I haven't seen one yet. No worries you know it's going to be GREAT ;)

Uncle Albert

I've no doubt about that! ... it's just whether we mortals this side of the pond are going to be able to get our sticky paws on them!

I'd like to see a weathered 381st BG version. A "mucky" Yankee Lady if you like! :rolleyes:

Raff

Lofty

27th October 2004, 20:44

Careful with that sorta talk at your age Raff :p
Can ya ticker cope with that excitement? :D

charley

27th October 2004, 20:54

Hope so, there are so many schemes to choose from. Any suggestions?

Blimey...where do you start with that one!!! I suppose things like 'Aluminum overcast' and 'sentimental journey' are obvious choices, well known examples in the warbird community, and very nice they are too! :)

Personally i'd love to see 'Moonlight Serenade' nice Glenn Miller tribute. :)

Would a post war 'civil' example be a bit too diverse?????

CFBC

27th October 2004, 21:04

What I would suggest is an actual flying Fortress from the US mainly as then Corgi will have the US market behind them..... OK, let me get my reference books out!!!! Nice suggestions Charley already though... :)

Albert Ross

27th October 2004, 23:19

Uncle Albert

I've no doubt about that! ... it's just whether we mortals this side of the pond are going to be able to get our sticky paws on them!

I'd like to see a weathered 381st BG version. A "mucky" Yankee Lady if you like! :rolleyes:

Raff

I don't think they would be listed in the catalogue, if you couldn't get them.
All the 'Unsung Heros and 1/35th scale Choppers were US-instigated and they were all available over here. (Less of the 'mucky ladies' - moderator is watching!) ;)

Gambit

28th October 2004, 01:18

They probably have, but I haven't seen one yet. No worries you know it's going to be GREAT ;)
According to a New York website they will be posted on Friday.

eismeer

29th October 2004, 23:12

Blimey...where do you start with that one!!! I suppose things like 'Aluminum overcast' and 'sentimental journey' are obvious choices, well known examples in the warbird community, and very nice they are too! :)

Personally i'd love to see 'Moonlight Serenade' nice Glenn Miller tribute. :)

Would a post war 'civil' example be a bit too diverse?????

Totally agree charley. Aluminium Overcast would be a great choice. Posted some links to a couple of pics of it on page 5 of this thread. Problem is there are sooooo many cool themes that could be applied for the all over silver B-17 that you are spoiled for choice.

Bring em all on :)

ACES

1st November 2004, 19:18

I have heard very little about 2ND PATCHES has anybody picked up one yet,or is this bird going to drop rock bottom. :eek:

CFBC

1st November 2004, 19:57

Aces, must admit too that ive not seen many of them over here...... Who's hiding em all..... Anybody know owt?

shuttle

1st November 2004, 20:04

The Mighty Modelzone in Maidstone had them in on Saturday along with the new B52. Both looked very nice. They also had the Dragon P47 and FW-190.

:) Shuttle

CFBC

1st November 2004, 20:08

Yeah, the CHC had the P47 and Me also..... Didn't see the Patches, but it could have been hiding..... I think Raff has one?

Raff, Whats the run on em son?

Albert Ross

1st November 2004, 22:23

Aces, must admit too that ive not seen many of them over here...... Who's hiding em all..... Anybody know owt?

I've got one and think it looks very good.

Lofty

2nd November 2004, 12:35

Yes , but your gonna say that aren't you Albert ;)

jasgreeny

2nd November 2004, 17:16

Like to see Yanky Lady, like the silver with red tailmarkings ??

CFBC

2nd November 2004, 20:40

Yes JG so would I, but the Sally B US import looks bl**dy good.. Thats the one and hey - Uncle A.... U were probably given one!!! Is it one of yours then? ;)

Agent X20

2nd November 2004, 20:49

Give it time............ they will all be there...... patience..........

The Bit O Lace... yep.. weathered wing.. yep.... 9/10 for that.. the rest looks .. kin immaculate, spotless.......... ooops we did it again..... a blankety blank uuuugh uggh... Hope its just a bum catalogue photo...... :D

Lofty

2nd November 2004, 22:25

You readin' the right catalogue Agent? I never noticed a photo of a Bum!
Admittedly there were some right A*se ideas....."clockwork" Spit being the main one :D

Albert Ross

2nd November 2004, 23:22

Yes , but your gonna say that aren't you Albert ;)

Not at all, if I thought it was full of errors and I didn't like it, I would say so!
This is not one of mine, but it matches up with the photos I have of it.

Lofty

3rd November 2004, 10:35

I believe you....Honest :p :D

Red Leader

3rd November 2004, 23:51

I am getting really confused about Memphis Belle! Can someone please shed any light on why the 1:144 model has waist guns but the 1:72nd doesn't!!??

raff

8th November 2004, 17:32

Re the "2nd Patches" .. [just to repeat the "what have you bought" thread], I picked mine up at Sandown.
IMHO it's the best B-17 yet. The olive drab looks spot on ... [i.e. what we think it should look like] with the "patches" on the fin and lower starboard wing making for a "different" looking model ... as does the shark toothed chin turret. I like it very much.
As with the SEAC B-24 I pre ordered mine. I may see it around cheaper in a few months time, but as only 1900 were produced didn't want to take the risk.
Raff

Typhoon-MKV

8th November 2004, 17:53

Thanks for that Mr Raff, did not know whether to go for this one or not, and save me cash for the Bit'o'lace special.....

Might give it a whirl.

Agent X20

8th November 2004, 22:44

I think like a lot of them Mr Stealth, if the price is right then you'll pick one up... those that really want them will pay the money.. personally have kinda grown up with Bit O Lace starting with the Airfix 72 model like most I suppose, followed by colour (oops sorry color) wartime shot of her which was released as a poster which adorned the bedroom wall.. suppose it would be Heidi now..?

So all is riding on Lace.. hopefully she will be well weathered as per all the shots of her... but in the meantime if theres a Patches at a couple of tenners then I could be pursuaded.... no space though!!

CFBC

8th November 2004, 22:47

Thats interesting Agentx as with Patches being new, it has not even made Evilbay as yet after several weeks of being released which is quite interesting, but the Libbie that was released at the same time has....... 1200 release quantity also.....

Agent X20

8th November 2004, 23:04

Wonder if a fair old chunk of them went Stateside.. Ist G model.. the one we have all been waiting for... definitive Fortress iconic and all that... if so they will bouce back..

Libbies.. what we on now the eigth Libbie and theres still three more to go...!!! aaaargh.... You HAVE to be dedicated (or ****** committed)

CFBC

9th November 2004, 07:16

Yeah, thats my thought Agentx that they went Stateside indeed...... BIG question is will we see em back later? :confused:

Agent X20

9th November 2004, 09:04

Yep... everything else seems to be coming back.... there cannot be that many US collectors out there otherwise you would have seen a proliferation of US types which quite frankly we havent seen at all....

Go global on the Bay and it dont add that many to the hit count... if yer see what I mean... strange cos they are a damn site cheaper..!! :mad: :D

CFBC

9th November 2004, 09:23

Yep.. Done that Agentx on Evilbay and ive only found one or two globally also which is strange...... Don't mention the price!!! :mad:

raff

9th November 2004, 09:23

Yeah, thats my thought Agentx that they went Stateside indeed...... BIG question is will we see em back later? :confused:

Difficult one to answer. But as has been said ... it is the first "G" and it is very, very nice. I can certainly imagine that it will be one of the more "sought after" over there.
However, if history is anything to go by, as I paid the current asking price, it probably will be available at around £20 in a few months time! :(
Raff

Agent X20

9th November 2004, 09:28

No... I meant.. go global on E Bay and the total count dont go up by many... i.e. there seem to be few US enthusiasts overall, let alone Patches models..

Yep, they will be back... and no doubt you might get change for a cup of tea out of three tenors...

Havent seen Forts at £20 yet... but there is still time..

CFBC

9th November 2004, 09:42

Yankee's coming close Agentx...... Yes, thats what I also mean't about Evilbay, hard to explain on ere though.... :rolleyes:

Agent X20

9th November 2004, 09:57

Would have thought it ( EBay) be more popular in the States, further to travel and no toyfairs..

jasgreeny

10th November 2004, 01:17

love the look of patches but decided to hang on till there more like £45, hope i havent stung myself!!

I have on the other hand pre ordered bit o lace as was worried i wouldnt get one being a u.s release, i imagine it being more sought after as its the first silver one and its very well known

WJP?

10th November 2004, 03:47

Would have thought it ( EBay) be more popular in the States, further to travel and no toyfairs..
There are plenty of online dealers over here with good prices so I don't see the need for E-bay. It might be good for an older release but its not necessary for the newer stuff. I use the same 3 or 4 online dealers. They typically have everything and one will have good price. There are also a couple others that I use occasionally if I see an extremely good deal.

Agent X20

10th November 2004, 10:08

Yes I was thinking that, you seem to have more proactive dealers over there and far closer pricing between rrp and dump...

Gambit

11th November 2004, 22:46

I saw the second patches today, but will wait for the "Bit O' Lace".
I was thinking that the new US P-51 Mustang "Creamer's Dream" should be flying between the "Memphis Belle" and the "Heavenly body".

CFBC

11th November 2004, 22:48

Funny that Gambit as I looked at one today also and it is noce, but the trader wanted "just" that little bit too much for it...... I may regret that, but hey ho..... Looked nice and with the Bit O'Lace on the horizon, well......

Typhoon-MKV

11th November 2004, 22:49

Yeah - bit'o'lace - it's a winner.....

Agent X20

12th November 2004, 00:23

Wanna see it first... Could actually be a hard one to get......

minter

12th November 2004, 08:19

Wanna see it first... Could actually be a hard one to get......

is the 1/144 hard to get cant remember seeing that many around?

CFBC

12th November 2004, 08:21

Yes and no Minter.... Depends on where you look, but there are normally a couple or one on Evilbay now and again... :)

philminnion

16th November 2004, 00:21

planejunky

20th November 2004, 20:47

I picked up Second Patches today. I thought it was a nice bit of work. So the verdict is out as to whether the shark's teeth on the chin turret was there or not. I don't really care - it looks good! This will be my second B17 after the Belle. I will probably pick up a B17G in all aluminum livery when they come out.

Anyone else have Second Patches? What say you - do you like it or would you sooner have seen one with a less controversial livery.

Phil Minnion

Wasn't too keen myself. I don't own any of the larger 1/72 models, due to space conciderations, as I will only be able buy one large model it must be carefully concidered.

I'm sure the Lancaster models have gone down well with our friends in Lincolnshire, (CFBC has a whole squadron!) I however, live in the heart of 8th Air Force country so the B-17G in the right scheme could be the one I go for.

There's talk of "Bit O'Lace" which although nice, I feel it's a bit clichéd. Ideally I would like to see a late 385th BG a/c as I grew up a mile from Great Ashfield, but I don't reckon that will happen. :(

CFBC

21st November 2004, 08:03

Wasn't too keen myself. I don't own any of the larger 1/72 models, due to space conciderations, as I will only be able buy one large model it must be carefully concidered.

I'm sure the Lancaster models have gone down well with our friends in Lincolnshire, (CFBC has a whole squadron!) I however, live in the heart of 8th Air Force country so the B-17G in the right scheme could be the one I go for.

There's talk of "Bit O'Lace" which although nice, I feel it's a bit clichéd. Ideally I would like to see a late 385th BG a/c as I grew up a mile from Great Ashfield, but I don't reckon that will happen. :(
I must admit P/J that with having a whole Squadron of Libs, B17's and the lovely Lancaster it certainly restricts me in space for mrs CFBC's things, however I am happy to get a Bit O'Lace and any other B17G's, especially the 385th BG as that was a nice livery also..... Although I do prefer my Lancs!!

;)

planejunky

21st November 2004, 13:37

I must admit P/J that with having a whole Squadron of Libs, B17's and the lovely Lancaster it certainly restricts me in space for mrs CFBC's things, however I am happy to get a Bit O'Lace and any other B17G's, especially the 385th BG as that was a nice livery also..... Although I do prefer my Lancs!!
;)

I know the problem over feeling that it's taking over, I have to be very careful and have imposed my own restrictions. Snapper is great, and she likes them, but I wouldn't want them all over the house either.

Trouble with the Lancs is that although it's a lovely model, the colours were nearly all the same. I feel the the B-17 has much to offer in different markings, the flamboyant yellow tails on Rattlesden B-17s is probably why it's always picked as a modelling subject. The Rattlesden based 447th BG was of course part of the 4th Combat Bomb Wing, which included the 94th BG at Bury St Edmunds, 486th BG at Sudbury and the 487th BG at Lavenham, so all had the yellow tails!

I somehow don't think Corgi are going to be short of ideas and suggestions for markings on the B-17G! :D
I'd like to see:

385th BG Great Ashfield
390th BG Framlingham
100th BG Thorpe Abbotts
447th BG Rattlesden (something other than Bit O'Lace)

Ok guys, what would your B-17 unit preferences be?

Agent X20

21st November 2004, 17:52

Bit of Lace will be excellent if weathered .. cra* if not.. excellent if metal... cra* if spayed Humbrol No 11.....
Then we can have our Reich defence 190A's... come on..!!!
One to have.. the one with the lifeboat underneath .. just for bathtime fun..!!

CFBC

9th January 2005, 01:23

My 2nd Patches arrived all the way from the States in perfect nick.... Must admit it's a nice one...... Roll on B.O.L.....

Looking forward to that release.... :D

NeilD

9th January 2005, 01:52

I prefer the bare metal schemes, if done properly and nicely weathered..ie NOT done with a wire brush like what Corgi normally does (that C47!)..

http://www.455th.ukpc.net/tomfeise/8thusaaf/markings.htm

NeilD

9th January 2005, 01:54

like these...

http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/photo.asp?photoid=254&asortType=6&apage=1

CFBC

9th January 2005, 01:57

Oh yes Neild, it would be nice to see some of those indeed..... About time Corgi realised that... Would crack open the US market more too......

NeilD

9th January 2005, 02:00

did you spot the PINK mustangs.... :eek:

http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/photo.asp?photoid=240&asorttype=6&apage=1

CFBC

9th January 2005, 02:09

did you spot the PINK mustangs.... :eek:

http://www.armyairforces.com/forum/photo.asp?photoid=240&asorttype=6&apage=1
Oherr, hmmm. Don't tell Albert......

How about a "Preston Pride" or "Yankee Doodle Dandy" or "Yankee Lady" B17 then???? Nice silver finish..... Nice markings.... Both Stateside... :)

NeilD

9th January 2005, 02:18

CFBC

9th January 2005, 02:21

Pink Mustangs.. Better not tell The Agent or Lofty..

Aluminium Overcast woudl be a good-un, good sales potential there as its a well known a/c..
I also like Fuddy Duddy.. same colours I suppose as Bit Of lace.. but you can fly on it.. :D

http://www.b17.org/flight/Yep, thats another good tipster there Neild..... Well, could not sleep... Done my stuff and hitting the sack again.... Good chat... Night... :)

NeilD

9th January 2005, 02:22

well I'm at work so i've got an excuse for sitting here typing rubbish! :D
night!
Neil.

neighbob

9th January 2005, 13:14

The b17 is a nice model.The only problem i have with it is fitting it into my cabinet,it fits but only at a great angle as if it were doing an extreme manoever which takes up a lot of space.

Angels one-five

9th January 2005, 14:50

Aces-High

9th January 2005, 16:06

Im in the same boat Angels One Five. I have'nt gone down the B-17 route yet. The green paint on them never looked quite right :confused: The CC one looked good though, and 'Patches' seems to look the best of the bunch. Was going to wait until Corgi produce a couple of all aluminium finish B-17G's before I decide.

Gambit

9th January 2005, 16:30

I'm thinking of buying my first B17 and have seen 2nd Patches on display - I think it looks pretty good. Anyone out there care to offer some advice on which is the best of the B17s to date? :confused:

I have the Memphis Belle which is probably the best of the lot IMHO.
I think the sharks teeth should have been weathered on the 2nd patches.
The next one I might consider buying is the "Bit O' Lace".
Maybe they'll motorize the B17 next......props turning, interior lights, 5 machine guns blasting away... :D

Lofty

9th January 2005, 20:08

Waitin' for "2nd Patches" to arrive from the States.....
Wish me luck thru customs boys.......... :)

Angels one-five

10th January 2005, 09:26

Good luck with it Lofty. Be interested in hearing your views on 2nd Patches when it arrives. Is it much cheaper importing from the US than buying here (accepting that HM Customs may take their slice)?

Lofty

10th January 2005, 09:41

Agent X20

10th January 2005, 09:43

I feel like a smuggler <tee hee>
As yer on the coast there should be no problem there....

CFBC

10th January 2005, 09:46

Got the plane for £36, shipping about £16 so 52 quid all in (as long as customs don't get their mitts on it)
Mind you if they do i'll have Parcelfarce adding £11 to the total.....won't be such a bargain then :(
I feel like a smuggler <tee hee>
Yep, about the same price as I paid for it with a little help from the marking down <cough> of the item too.... NO questions asked ok.... I order it as I had not seen one close to that at any t/f's, but someone posted that they had seen it for £55 at one and £49 at another, Hmmm. Typical.... Oh well..... At least mine has USA blood.... LOLOLOL.

Good luck Lofty and hope they helped out... <cough>. Why can we not get these prices like our cousins in the States straight away? Would help both UK economy and retailers alike.....?? :confused:

:)

Agent X20

10th January 2005, 09:50

You would think that ones cousins in the States would be a little more agressive with their marketing to peeps in the UK.. specially on the smaller models... ( and fire breathing...)

Supose at the end of the day, it whether you get caught at the customs..

minter

10th January 2005, 11:50

As yer on the coast there should be no problem there....

cant stop the immagrants lets start charging them!

Agent X20

10th January 2005, 11:53

My post was to assist in satisfing Mr Lofty's urges to have a smuggler... nowt to do with immigrants... :p

Lofty

10th January 2005, 20:53

Shhhhhhssss! Also smuggling in "pistol packin' mama" Libby at £26 and £16 shipping.........Don't grass me up dudes :o

CFBC

2nd February 2005, 13:47

I read that the "Liberty Belle" has now taken to the skies in the USA after a number of electrical faults last year and thus feel it would make a very good "addition" to the Corgi range after this years first release.... Would be a good one with it now flying and a "can be seen B17"...... :)

What's say you lot? :D

snafu

2nd February 2005, 15:30

Good idea - it's good to collect planes you can see, either in a museum or better still flying. I like to collect planes related to Duxford or have appeared at Legends, therefore , pleased to see new Duxford Phantom due out later in the year.

CFBC

7th February 2005, 18:16

So.. B17 - Bit O'Lace..... A sure fire winner then guys? :)

spock1

7th February 2005, 18:30

Waitin' for "2nd Patches" to arrive from the States.....
Wish me luck thru customs boys.......... :)

:confused: Mr. Lofty and all,

Good luck, lets hope there no AA fans within the ranks of HMCE who may be Forum members!!!.......... ;)

CFBC

7th February 2005, 18:34

So.. B17 - Bit O'Lace..... A sure fire winner then guys? :)

Actually Spock1... I do know of one of them that use the Forum, yeah..... :D

Oh well.... :rolleyes:

raff

7th February 2005, 21:06

If these pricing differentials continue this could be the rebirth of Marshall Aid.
Certainly there won't have been so many B-17's heading this way since lend / lease.

For those who might not like it ..it's the same as imported cigarettes ... if you don't like loosing the revenue Mr. Brown, then lower the tax. i.e compete and don't make it worthwhile.
A thought for the day? :rolleyes:
Raff

spock1

7th February 2005, 21:18

:) Mr. Raff,

Very good points which doubtless someone within the walls of Whitehall currently pondering. Hopefully they will one day, sooner as opposed to later, act in a sensible manner (cough!) and do something to redress the balance. As has been hinted upon before the 'Global' Marketplace is far more accessible than it ever was and as this said accessibilty increases so does the awareness of our beloved 'rip off' Britain......... :(

CFBC

7th February 2005, 22:38

Two good post's guys and at present, more B17's may hit these shores than during WW2 from the States in this economical climate!!!! :rolleyes:

Agent X20

7th February 2005, 22:48

:confused: Mr. Lofty and all,

Good luck, lets hope there no AA fans within the ranks of HMCE who may be Forum members!!!.......... ;)

Hopefully they are after bigger fishes than the odd diecast...

Other manufacturers even out the costs between nations.. cant all be tax... RRP must have something to do with it....

Typhoon-MKV

8th February 2005, 06:03

Two good post's guys and at present, more B17's may hit these shores than during WW2 from the States in this economical climate!!!! :rolleyes:

Yes very true and there is supposedly 300 bit'o'laces hitting our shores, now if they cannot sell them in America, then the whole of the Corgi Marketing department need to find a new job, especially after the excellent work on the Shu-Shu's - NOT.....

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Agent X20

8th February 2005, 09:00

the whole of the Corgi Marketing department need to find a new job,
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
There is one..?

simonclarke1034

9th March 2005, 11:16

I received BitOLace this morning and I must admit, it's a very nice model and IM pleased with it. :D No waist guns though :mad:
It's gone straight into the display cabinet and looks good next to the B24 You Cawn't Miss It! :)

CFBC

9th March 2005, 12:55

S/C.. What do you make of the weathered and non weathered mix.... I like it, but..... Also the Nose Art looks good too...

simonclarke1034

9th March 2005, 13:43

The weathered look is much better than I thought it would be and the nose art panal is a nice touch :) . As previously discussed the two bands of green on the fuselage are quite bright but I think this is one of my favourite B17's to date. I have the 8th AF Set and upon looking at Miss Minookie and comparing them Im not sure whether Corgi have left some detail out and simplified it a little, ie. NO Waist guns :mad:
Overall though Im really pleased with the model and with a run of only 2100 you cant complain. :D

jasgreeny

9th March 2005, 14:40

I just dont get it? the fortress along with the other four engined bombers is one of my favourite aircraft. Why corgi continue to leave off the waist guns on this model and on the 24s I just dont know, realy spoils the model for me. Is it a cost thing? surely it cant be that expensive to stick two little sticks of plastic on each side of the craft to make it more authentic, they have on 2nd patches. And i always thought the B17G had a permanent gun position for the radio operator? Its a flying FORTRESS famous for bristling with machine guns so where are they. They managed to put all the guns on the Heinkel so why not on the 17s & 24s. I have a B17G by Franklin Mint Shoo Shoo Baby its smaller and has the works so why corgi cant put all the details on this big 1.72 thing please explain

Very dissapointed :( :( :( :( :(

minter

9th March 2005, 14:52

funny that the waist guns are on the 1/144 scale though and not 1/72 http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/confused/bluThinking.gif

NeilD

9th March 2005, 15:02

sounds a odd not having waist guns? some of the 1/72 have 'em some don't :confused: oh well might've saved me some money..! :D

Neil.

CFBC

9th March 2005, 15:57

Here are some pictures of the B.O.L B17 sent in by Simonclarke1034.

Thanks S/C. :)

Personally I am also at a loss why we have no waist guns either... Would make it look a whole lot better.... :( However, it still looks very, very good.... :)

ACES

9th March 2005, 17:45

Its a shame about the waist guns,but that is going to be one of my favourite

models,i have just watched a dvd which featured a fort minus the top turret

painted in B.O.L. colours and the two bands painted are vivid green.

condor

9th March 2005, 17:50

What a shame its a great looking model - Looks like I'll have to dig deeper into empty pockets :( These models should carry a "wealth" warning sticker! :eek: These models will seriously damage your bank account!!!! :D

Condor

DCRanger

9th March 2005, 19:10

Its a shame about the waist guns.
To say that there are no waist guns isn't quite right. If they are as on the CC B17 they are in the stowed postition inside the aircraft. I think some one made the same comment about one of the Libs and the same applies.

Personally I don't mind this as it makes the model a little lees prone to damage.

Agent X20

10th March 2005, 08:29

Bum.. its a difficult one... not brilliant.. but not bad.... will wait till see in the flesh... Thanks for photies Mr Clarke....

jasgreeny

10th March 2005, 09:33

As far as im aware this only applies to F model 17s that had open waist windows and a hatch they could close when the guns were stowed (as on the 1.72 memphis belle). Where as the G model had glazed over waist windows and a permanent gun mounting, the guns only being removed for cleaning after a mission then returned for the next. Maybe corgi should have left all the guns off and claim they were at the cleaners.

But again i wasnt there and im no expert, just what i believe to be true. :)

minter

10th March 2005, 10:05

oh dear, nice pics, i do like this one, better than the green jobbies,and virtually on a par with the cc fort

The Defiant Man

10th March 2005, 10:44

Well, appears I'm in a minority (of one so far!). Sorry, don't like it......

Agent X20

10th March 2005, 11:03

I have a sneakin suspicion I could be siding with you here Mr D... but hey when they are £25..!!

minter

10th March 2005, 11:51

i like it compared with the other american ones, but will it hit the bins?

Agent X20

10th March 2005, 11:55

I think that depends on how many Yankees take it up.

They couldnt get rid of 1000 Mustangs :D

Canadian Lanc only 2000 :D

Two plus two equals five, but IMHO I reckon it might.. a good chance.. If it dont then there will plenty around at RRP or thereabouts to buy...

minter

10th March 2005, 11:59

well this is the 8th b-17 where to next i wonder? and wheres 2nd patches many about latley?

Agent X20

10th March 2005, 12:09

Thats the other thing.. got ter be fairly nutty to have bought all 8... Space the final frontier is at a premium.. i think they could have done better by using some natural metal finishes on it rather than give it what appears to be a coating of Humbrol No 11..!!

The Defiant Man

10th March 2005, 16:54

That yellow is rather bright :cool:

Craig

10th March 2005, 16:56

I like the scheme, but still can't summon much enthusiasm for the battle scarred look. sorry, but it's not my thing.

CFBC

13th March 2005, 12:51

B.O.L does "US" proud... :)

CFBC

13th March 2005, 12:54

A few more shots... Weathered or not weather that is the question...? :)

ACES

13th March 2005, 12:55

Roll on friday when i pick mine up :) .....good pics CFBC

NeilD

13th March 2005, 13:05

nice... I think the weathering thats been done is good.. just a pity they didnt do a bit more of it, the engine cowls for instance.. but having said that tis the only 1/72 B17 thats tempted me so far, just depends on what price they end up at.. :eek:

by the way, did we sort out whats happened to the waist guns? are they visble 'stowed' through the clear panel??

Neil.

CFBC

13th March 2005, 13:09

Put it this way... I canna see em.. :D

guignol1971

13th March 2005, 13:13

Nice pics CFBC... :)
Very nice model too... :)

FROGGY

13th March 2005, 14:14

Thank's for pics CFBC
Agree with you pierre, it's a nice model but it's very big !

Agent X20

13th March 2005, 17:21

Jeez.. the bits that are good are very good.. the bits that are bad are joint lines... poo.. ah well wait til one seen in flesh..

DCRanger

13th March 2005, 17:25

Put it this way... I canna see em.. :D
Try shining a torch in there. :)

simonclarke1034

13th March 2005, 19:25

No waist gunners on this plane. Took their gun's and went on annual leave! :D

DCRanger

13th March 2005, 20:29

guignol1971

13th March 2005, 22:22

Thank's for pics CFBC
Agree with you pierre, it's a nice model but it's very big !
Allons Alain...t'as bien encore une petite place chez toi... ;) mets un de tes meubles sur le palier... :D

NeilD

13th March 2005, 22:55

My CC B17 has the guns inside but no crew. B24 Booby Trap has the guns inside the aircraft along with crew members.

either way both the B17F and B17G appear to be wrong as some else posted earlier, the F should have the guns in an open window (no perspex) and the G should have the guns poking out as a la Corgi's B17F.

b17g..although the perspex panel is missing!!
http://www.ratol.fi/~tmannine/pics/868_right_waist_gun.jpg

b17f
http://www.b17flyingfortress.de/english/index.php?id=interior.htm

CKS1

14th March 2005, 03:12

Mr CFBC.

The "Chin" turret looks fixed is this the case?

Cheers CKS1

simonclarke1034

14th March 2005, 11:25

Yes that's correct CKS1, It is mate! :)

eismeer

14th March 2005, 11:27

Yeah nice pics CFBC. This plane takes me way back. The old Airfix model but also the giant poster i had on my bedroom wall all through my youth.

Along with my posters of Debbie Harry :D

Agent X20

14th March 2005, 12:39

I'll second that.. next B17 realease.. all aluminium with Debbie Harry nose art.........!!! Woo Hoo... ;)

minter

14th March 2005, 12:50

I'll second that.. next B17 realease.. all aluminium with Debbie Harry nose art.........!!! Woo Hoo... ;)

as she used to be, not as she is now

Agent X20

14th March 2005, 13:01

Yep.. think the B17 has faired better...

minter

14th March 2005, 13:34

yep rather have a ride on a b-17 :D

The Defiant Man

14th March 2005, 15:02

Debs....was on my wall too.

Agent/Minter...I bet she would think exactly the same..... :p :D

minter

14th March 2005, 15:03

huh! little does she know............im hung like a p#ny....sorry admin :rolleyes:

The Defiant Man

14th March 2005, 15:15

huh! little does she know............im hung like a p#ny....sorry admin :rolleyes:
not My Little Pony? :p :D

minter

14th March 2005, 15:16

i knew someone was going to say that :rolleyes:

Agent X20

14th March 2005, 15:23

Can we please get back to either the thread or Debbie Harry... Just been informed by Mrs A its sausages tonight and its puttin me off me food. :D

minter

14th March 2005, 16:07

pork or beef ?

Agent X20

14th March 2005, 16:39

Pork and Apple evidently...

datacroft

14th March 2005, 17:31

Also known as Walls B17's;)

Agent X20

14th March 2005, 17:37

Ahah.. back on thread...!!

CFBC

14th March 2005, 17:42

Good job threads back on topic!! ;)

CKS1... Yes as S/C has said... It is fixed.... Sorry, missed ure earlier question... :)

Agent X20

14th March 2005, 18:51

Better not fall off its stand then.. no give... :mad:

Seems a bit silly not have that moveable..

jasgreeny

14th March 2005, 21:36

Is a bit dissapointing that the chin turret is fixed

Agent X20

14th March 2005, 22:23

.. afterthought... methinks..

CKS1

14th March 2005, 23:00

Yes it is a tad disappointing that the turret doesn’t move!!! Not too worry I’m still buying it as it brings back heaps of memories as well!!

Cheers CKS1

CFBC

14th March 2005, 23:03

Yeah - Likewise CK... It's a very good piece and thats why I wanted to get those outdoor photo's up and shown.... :D

jasgreeny

14th March 2005, 23:32

Dont get me wrong i like it but think it could of been that much better with waist guns, moving chin turret, bit more weathering around the engines etc to complete the look. Shouldnt there be a window on the crew access door?

CFBC

14th March 2005, 23:42

Shouldnt there be a window on the crew access door?

Dare I say it, I think so, but I am not 100% sure n that.. Certainly looking at the B17 Flypast book I picked-up last year, that certainy shows a window.....

minter

15th March 2005, 08:08

nice pics cfbc, move over Mr T,you can nit pick at this one as much as you like,but sure does look good at the end of the day :)

Martin Bull

11th October 2005, 09:10

I'm having an 'AA moment' here ; postie delivered a huge box this morning all the way from Norfolk - B-17G 'Bit O'Lace' :cool: :cool: :cool:

Opening this box was a real pleasure.....my only B-17 ( so far.... :rolleyes: ). I wanted it because it has that really flash 8th AF look, so typical of later B-17s. No way was I tempted at £80+, but at the price I paid it's a real bargain.

Lovely, lovely model. OK, I know it's silly that the waist guns appear to be 'shipped', and some of the colouring is arguable, but the overall effect is very pleasing indeed. Would look great alongside a 'little friend' such as 'BBD' or 'NGNG'.

Oh, and for the connoisseurs, there's a stunning, full-page, Charles E Brown colour photo of this very aircraft in Martin W Bowman's Fortress book, 'Flying To Glory'.

Mmmmmmmm....... :)

minter

11th October 2005, 09:17

yeah nice one,.......any one got "mount N ride"...looks good also colour looks accurate,but im no expert

kevjb64

11th October 2005, 09:56

yeah nice one,.......any one got "mount N ride"...looks good also colour looks accurate,but im no expert

Have ordered it , should be here Thursday , so will let you know what I think .

Martin Bull

13th October 2005, 19:01

Still in 'Bit o'Lace' mode, anyone who's got the model will find this link very interesting : -

http://www.bates-r-us.org/abitolace

Sailor.

13th October 2005, 19:23

Does the model have waist guns? It appears to have them in the photos on Martin's link, but not on the superb pictures of the model on Tricky's site. :confused:

uksubs

13th October 2005, 19:51

Does the model have waist guns? It appears to have them in the photos on Martin's link, but not on the superb pictures of the model on Tricky's site. :confused:
Nope :( & the chin turret does not move !
Very bad gap around cockpit!
plane look plastic :eek:
Corgi paint job just Don't look realistic :(

Agent X20

13th October 2005, 19:52

You referring to Bit of Lace..?

Agent Carr

13th October 2005, 19:59

I love my Bit of Lace its the only craft in my 100 strong collection that I have paid £65. It is one of corgis nicer B17s

uksubs

13th October 2005, 20:05

You referring to Bit of Lace..?
Yes m8

Martin Bull

14th October 2005, 08:02

On looking at it again - I still like it ! :)

I'm not bothered by the non-moveable chin-turret, but I'm annoyed at the lack of waist guns. The finish is not realistic for the aircraft as modelled : as the '1:1' pics show, this one should be really weathered.....in fact, I could probably pour some old sump oil over it if I was after total accuracy. As for the gap around the cockpit, maybe mine isn't that bad - I really wouldn't have noticed it until it was mentioned above.

BUT - after all that, the model ( to me, anyway ) has a real sense of drama and captures something of the essence of the B-17 and the men who flew in them ( and I've been lucky enough to talk to quite a few ). OK, I'll admit it's the small boy in me, but 'Bit o'Lace' has that 'wow-factor' & I'm very pleased indeed to have it in my collection.

:)

Aces-High

15th October 2005, 21:07

Looking at B-17 Mount & Ride on FM's website. Very tempted by it, looks like they've got the green spot on.

kevjb64

21st October 2005, 09:40

Looking at B-17 Mount & Ride on FM's website. Very tempted by it, looks like they've got the green spot on.

Arrived this AM , great piece ! :) Would normally say ' would not expect this to dump heavily ( £30-£40 ) but only moderately ( £50-£60 ) but after Jerk's . Oulton and Hartmann , it sadly probably will . :mad:

prune

21st October 2005, 09:57

[QUOTE=Martin Bull]On looking at it again - I still like it ! :)

I'm not bothered by the non-moveable chin-turret, but I'm annoyed at the lack of waist guns. The finish is not realistic for the aircraft as modelled : as the '1:1' pics show, this one should be really weathered.....in fact, I could probably pour some old sump oil over it if I was after total accuracy. As for the gap around the cockpit, maybe mine isn't that bad - I really wouldn't have noticed it until it was mentioned above.

I'm more bothered by the wing stripes being black instead of dark blue.Didn't anybody tell them they got it wrong years ago with the 1/144 version. Unforgivable, as there are so many references to this aircraft.Just who is the numpty in charge of researching markings at Corgi?

Martin Bull

21st October 2005, 13:59

You're dead right, prune - the stripes should be dark blue. Possibly someone at Corgi has been confused by the wartime colour photos, in which it looks more black than blue.

And I still like it..... ;) :o

david cotton

3rd November 2005, 16:43

Hello all
I am after A bit Of Lace (1:72) .... has any one one got one for swaps. Would like to swap a jet or 2 for it, but would also consider one of my rare early fighters... such as wick 109 ! :eek:

Regards
David

Agent X20

3rd November 2005, 17:01

David

Surely its best just to buy BOL as she is currently residing in dumpsville... (well on the outskirts then)

david cotton

3rd November 2005, 17:05

David

Surely its best just to buy BOL as she is currently residing in dumpsville... (well on the outskirts then)

Please point me in the direction of dumpsville ! :D

Agent X20

3rd November 2005, 17:10

PM and map sent old froot..

Martin Bull

3rd November 2005, 17:12

You won't regret it, dc..... ;) :cool:

Grizzly Adams

3rd November 2005, 21:07

Absolutely wont regret David m8. BoL is a beauty to behold, my fav B17 even pipping the Coastal Command version!

Craig

3rd November 2005, 21:26

Maybe, but the Coastal Command one is nice, especially at £35!! :D The Forts are like all the big stuff though, even the best releases are dumped becasue there's just too many of them and they're too big to collect them all! Still tempted by a 2nd Paches though... :rolleyes:

shuttle

3rd November 2005, 22:03

Craig,

I managed to my '2nd patches' onto the display shelf today. it's a cracker!!

:) Shuttle

Grizzly Adams

3rd November 2005, 23:47

NeilD

4th November 2005, 08:08

PM and map sent old froot..

so what price is the B.O.L going for at the moment?? best you send me a map too.. ;)

Typhoon-MKV

4th November 2005, 08:27

so what price is the B.O.L going for at the moment?? best you send me a map too.. ;)
£45.00 BIN

Aces-High

4th November 2005, 09:09

For £29.99 Patches is a lovely B17, but its not the best one by a long way. I want to see the camo of Mount n Ride in the flesh. It looks like Corgi might have got the Olive Drab spot on on this one.

Grizz

Agreed GA,

M & R looks spot on in terms of colour scheme, am put off it though by the lack of waist gunner positions. :( Thought all Forts had waist gunners? :confused:

david cotton

4th November 2005, 11:59

Hello all
Did the first 1:72 scale B17 (Memphis bell) end up in the dumper as well? I never saw a cheap one any where ! :confused:

Regards
David

Agent X20

4th November 2005, 12:07

Yes.. specially in the USA...

minter

4th November 2005, 12:51

and i paid full whack for the 1/144 version :mad:

Agent X20

4th November 2005, 12:58

You are not alone there old froot..... then ended up with about 4 Memphis Belles...at the last count... but in those days was quite happy to pay that sort of money.. now I would be a little annoyed to buy one of their so called limited limited numbers to see it being uncerimoniously being dumped into da bins.. :rolleyes:

minter

4th November 2005, 14:07

older and wiser

jasgreeny

4th November 2005, 14:19

Agreed GA,

M & R looks spot on in terms of colour scheme, am put off it though by the lack of waist gunner positions. :( Thought all Forts had waist gunners? :confused:

Agree thats the only reason i wont buy it. I just hope corgi are reading and will correct these not so minor mistakes on future releases (ditto with thw 24s). Would love to see a 17G in all its mighty glory waist guns and radio operators gun :)

And a 17F again this time with open waist windows and open radio operators window with guns at the ready in true at war formation style, wouldnt be opposed to a little weathering :) that would be a beast and have pride of place in my cabinet

I live in hope. Ive been tempted after seeing some of the customed models to adjust them myself but have so far resisted

prune

4th November 2005, 14:37

And a 17F again this time with open waist windows and open radio operators window with guns at the ready in true at war formation style, wouldnt be opposed to a little weathering :) that would be a beast and have pride of place in my cabinet

I live in hope. Ive been tempted after seeing some of the customed models to adjust them myself but have so far resisted

Agreed, if Corgi could get the exhaust staining on the wings (and the Lanc)right it would look great,as long as it wasn't orange :rolleyes:

Martin Bull

4th November 2005, 15:33

I took a long look at M&L in MZ today - I still don't think Corgi have got the green quite right, but it's a lot closer than their previous efforts. It's a fine-looking model but not for £109.99..... :eek:

Aces-High

4th November 2005, 18:34

Agreed, if Corgi could get the exhaust staining on the wings (and the Lanc)right it would look great,as long as it wasn't orange :rolleyes:

Bring on the weathering! Corgi's attempt on their last sea-King was a decent effort.

jasgreeny

5th November 2005, 16:41

I couldnt resist it anymore. I dropped into Hobbycraft bought some metal wire and black paint. Dug out me drill and now my Bit O Lace has her full complement of guns :) I even got out me wax pastells and added a bit more weathering.

david cotton

5th November 2005, 16:48

Hello all
You have led me down the road to damnation again. Dont buy "A Bit Of Lace", the bank account tells me..... your account is diving towards the red faster than a crashing Stuka. But the voices of evil (Martin Bull and Agent X20 to be precise) say Buy it.... it beutiful.... you wont regret it.... Buy it.

I tried to resist, I fought the good fight and resisted the urge. I am not weak..... I am strong..... I am not addicted...... No Problem :rolleyes:

A bit of Lace should arrive next week in the post :o

Wife is going to kill me. :(
Regards
David

prune

5th November 2005, 16:49

All we need now is for everone to agree that a weathered version doesn't de-value the model and we can all get on with it :rolleyes:

david cotton

5th November 2005, 16:49

prune

5th November 2005, 16:53

Them yellow bits need the dirty thinners treatment as well ;)

david cotton

5th November 2005, 17:06

Them yellow bits need the dirty thinners treatment as well ;)

I feel faint.......thud.

Martin Bull

5th November 2005, 17:14

In fact, the yellow cowlings should be white..... ;)

fllbrkfg

5th November 2005, 17:15

Hi all, I'm new at this, and I have to agree with you all, my question goes back to the Corgi B-17F Sweet and Lovely, What's with the olive props, tires and guns?. When I recieved it I thought it was a mistake by Corgi... :confused:

prune

5th November 2005, 17:17

In fact, the yellow cowlings should be white..... ;)
Jasgreeny might as well go the whole 9 yards then, repaint the cowlings and the wing stripes ;)

prune

5th November 2005, 17:21

jasgreeny

5th November 2005, 17:21

:( oh pants. Nope its staying as it is

prune

5th November 2005, 17:25

:( oh pants. Nope its staying as it is
You've started it now, might as well finish it.My Brian Lane 1/32 spit was damaged so I weathered it, it looks great now impo.

CFBC

5th November 2005, 17:31

Can we see some pics of the modified B17's then? :D :)

prune

5th November 2005, 17:37

Corgi couldn't have cocked up the markings much more on BOL could they.M ind you they could have done the tail beige I suppose. Shame on such an iconic airplane. Wonder what the reaction would be if they issued a 2nd run with the corrections (and missing guns)

fllbrkfg

5th November 2005, 17:49

prune

5th November 2005, 17:58

If there was one B-17 you want right, it was BOL.And they expect us to pay £90 for that particular piece of historical inaccuracy. I'll probably still buy it though, but for no more than £45.And I will make the changes.

jasgreeny

5th November 2005, 18:04

I know alot of people have expressed how pleased they were with BoL But i was truly gutted. There was so much wrong, admittedly i didnt know about the white cowlings or the blue v. I couldnt look at it without feeling hard done by. But at least now ive cured my main gripes (the guns) and can live with it now.

Martin Bull

5th November 2005, 19:36

DCRanger

5th November 2005, 19:48

The one thing for sure is Corgi in not consistant. The BoL 1/144 has waist guns. I have 4 B-17's.. sweet and lovely, 2nd patches ,miss minookie and yankee doodle, and if they made it in another scale there are few / many variations to one another......oh well.....i'm still hooked..... :D
Consistancy?? Have you compared the 1/144 Coastal Command B17 with the 1/72 version. So many differences I started a thread on it a while ago. Despite that I love them both.

neighbob

5th November 2005, 21:30

Can't beat the CC B17 it's a beauty.Going to sit in a ball turret now and have ago at shooting down Jerry.

Actually going to have a go at Secret weapons over Normandy with the lad on his PS2
in for another thrashing no doubt.

fllbrkfg

6th November 2005, 00:23

I never got the chance to get the coastal command or see the plane at a local hobby store. I remember a B-17 navigator I talked with and he said there were many times when they went on there next mission there would be pieces of other 17's to repair there damage....

ozlanc

6th November 2005, 01:48

david cotton

6th November 2005, 07:58

I know this'll sound totally illogical...but I look on 'BoL' as a spectacular model of a 'typical late-war B-17G'.

As an accurate model of the actual aircraft, it's considerably 'off' which is pretty inexcusable when you consider how many colour images there are of the real thing . At £99.99, I'd have felt totally ripped-off. But for £45, it's one of my favourites of the year. It really makes a terrific display item.

Hello all
This post is very true , but does show how high are expectations are today. If 10 years ago someone had offered me BOL for £109, I would of bit his hand off there and then.Hell yes , even 5 years ago ! 10 years ago, some thing like BOL, would of been £350. No wonder why we all made model kits back then ! Even now, If Dumping was not going on, I would of paid the full £109 for this aircraft and been very happy.

I am like a little boy on Christmas Eve at the moment, waiting for my BOL to be delivered. I simply cant wait to get me mitts on it !

Regards
David

Martin Bull

6th November 2005, 08:07

I agree with Martin B - whoa that was unexpected ;)

LOL ! :D :eek:

And dc - you've got a point.... But 5 years ago, I paid full RRP for 'Sugar' and really, I can't find anything wrong with it. It was obvious at the time that Corgi had really put some effort into getting this ground-breaking model absolutely right.

I agree that five years on, we've all grown more critical - but at the same time, Corgi are letting their standards slip. I don't think it does any harm for true enthusiasts like us to point it out to them !

Having said all which - don't let any of this spoil your enjoyment of 'BoL'. I got a real thrill when I opened that box for the first time and I'm quite sure you will too.....Corgi have captured some of the drama of the 8th Air Force with this model. :cool:

david cotton

11th November 2005, 14:03

Hello All
My B17 Bit Of Lace had landed at airfield Cotton. This is Die Cast porn at its best. Even the wife likes it :eek:

Only bit I dont like is the lack of waste guns.... but hey, the cat would of snapped em off anyway.

The nose art panel really adds to the model. its not just a cheap bit of tat to make it sell (and it didn't).

I am already drifting back to my child hood days .... remebering buying the airfix kit with my first paper round wage....... and compleatly Fire Trucking it up.

How thing have changed.... no more paper round, just send the wife out to stand on the street corner. No more glue and paint..... (well, maybe for the wife) just straight from the box.

Well I'm off to drool over me B17 again. :)
Regards
David

Martin Bull

13th November 2005, 07:53

datacroft

13th November 2005, 08:10

Only bit I dont like is the lack of waste guns....

That's why they wasted the waist guns. :p :D :D

david cotton

13th November 2005, 08:14

That's why they wasted the waist guns. :p :D :D

Every ones a Critic.........When I was a devil worshipper, I sold my soul to Santa :eek:

David

david cotton

13th November 2005, 09:13

Hello all

Just been reading a bit of Combat Crew again, and it mentioned the cramped condition that the ball gunner was in. This got me thinking,(ahhh the pain) were there any cases of ball gunners dying from DVT, like can happed on Economy Air Travel today. I mean, if the poor guy has his knees round his ears for 6 or 7 hours, it aint gina do his circulation any good. Yet I have never read of any Ball Gunners dying misteriously after a mission. Any one ever heard of a case of DVT in WW2 bomber crews ???

Regards
David

Martin Bull

13th November 2005, 09:23

I've never read or heard of such an instance, David.

I guess we have to remember that these guys were very young, and also very fit. The selection process was pretty thorough, and men were 'washed out' ( in RAF parlance ) for many seemingly minor imperfections.

I've been in 'Sally B' and it seems unbelievably cramped, much smaller than I'd thought - I just couldn't imagine what it must have been like to be not only in action, but suffering temperatures down to minus 40 degrees.

91st veteran Sam Halpert summed it up pretty well in a lecture at Bletchley Park in the Summer. Asked if he'd ever flown in a B-17 since the war he replied :

'Are you kidding !? The best thing about the end of the war was the thought that I'd never have to fly in one of the damn' things again.....'

Aces-High

13th November 2005, 12:29

david cotton

14th November 2005, 21:42

MEMO TO CORGI

Next years' 'Nine-O-Nine'.....

Can you please - please - get the Green right, this time ?

Take a look at Roger Freeman's 'Mighty Eighth - The Colour Record' and you'll see that, even allowing for deteriorating film, 'Nine' was very faded indeed toward the end of its career.

In fact, the shade looks absolutely the same as the green-painted panel in front of 'Bit O'Lace's cockpit.

So there you are - you've got a tin of the right colour lying around somewhere ! Use it well, and we'll have a B-17 which is just about spot-on.......

Hello Hello
Just been looking at nine O nine in the Roger Freeman book to

If they get the color right, the plane will look awful unless they weather it. They need to highlight the panel work and weather it good and proper like. Saying that.... even if they don't , I will still want one :eek:

Agent X20

14th November 2005, 22:52

91st veteran Sam Halpert summed it up pretty well in a lecture at Bletchley Park in the Summer. Asked if he'd ever flown in a B-17 since the war he replied :

'Are you kidding !? The best thing about the end of the war was the thought that I'd never have to fly in one of the damn' things again.....'Bit like Mr Holmes and his Hurricane.. reunited with the machine that tried to kill you....

Think theres a slight overglorification of war,, My dads brother in law was a Spitfire pilot... never talks about it, have to use some Agent persuasion on him as I havent seen him for over 20 years..

As to B17 green.. sorry but that was an Agent complaint to the Hound on day one... no support and was told that it's the correct green.... ha ferkin ha... apple green my bottom.. :mad:

minter

15th November 2005, 08:36

Think theres a slight overglorification of war,, My dads brother in law was a Spitfire pilot... never talks about it, have to use some Agent persuasion on him as I havent seen him for over 20 years..

i think their certainly is ...my dad saw a spit pilot crash land on oct 31st cut his throat on his gunsight, keeps my thoughts in check does these memories.

minter

15th November 2005, 08:37

As to B17 green.. sorry but that was an Agent complaint to the Hound on day one... no support and was told that it's the correct green.... ha ferkin ha... apple green my bottom.. :mad:

ah i'll support you now, thought it wasnt very good either.........green bottom or is it seeweed?

Agent X20

15th November 2005, 10:51

Green bottom naw.. barnacles... :D

Martin Bull

15th November 2005, 13:00

We all talk about these men, so I thought it might be nice to post a photo. This was taken at Bletchley Park in July, with Sam Halpert ( 91st BG B-17 navigator ) making a point on the left, Norm Rosholt ( 452nd BG B-17 pilot ) looking thoughtful - and the man second from right looking ready to pounce is Hauptmann Peter Spoden, Bf110G-4 Nachtjagd ace with I./NJG.6.....

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/86ba61e7.jpg

minter

15th November 2005, 14:44

Green bottom naw.. barnacles... :D

can i scrape your bottom :D

Lofty

15th November 2005, 16:41

can i scrape your bottom :D
You're scarin' me Mints

jetfan

15th November 2005, 19:07

I would assume that Corgi will do it in the pristine condition that the Collins Foundation ship is kept in. Presumeably they selected this in conjunction with the Collins marketing department. It will interesting to see if they do yet another B-24 in the latest Collins' markings since they had already done "The Dragon".

Martin Bull

15th November 2005, 19:12

Good point - but do the Collings' mechanics use those wobbly-looking WWII A-frame ladders...? :confused:

( Ohh err... I hope they don't do this ! The Collings machine isn't really 'Nine-o-Nine', it's a later one painted up like the original. The whole point of 'Nine' was the serial - 231909.... )

Agent X20

15th November 2005, 19:41

can i scrape your bottom :D
You're scarin' me Mints
Not half as much as me...

jetfan

16th November 2005, 00:42

I don't know. Collins' "909" has been to my local airport several times and I've flown in it. I don't recall seeing any folding ladders etc being carried. I would assume that when it is on tour, they rely on the local FBOs to supply any ground equipment they might need. Our local FBO is a real Warbird buff and always eager to help visiting Warbirds to encourage them to come again.
Either way, pristine or weathered, I'm looking forward to receiving this model.

CFBC

18th November 2005, 17:16

If only I lived in the States... What a bargain and I would buy a whole squadron of these (http://www.petescollectibles.com/display.asp?ItemNo=pick#item) then!! :cool:

Rusty

18th November 2005, 18:22

i think their certainly is ...my dad saw a spit pilot crash land on oct 31st cut his throat on his gunsight, keeps my thoughts in check does these memories.

Read Heinz Knoke's book recently - during his training (while still quite young), saw a squadron mate crash and burn to death in front of his eyes. I think a lot of what happened in that and any war can only be truly felt by those who actually experienced it.

Martin Bull

10th April 2006, 08:19

My reasonably cheap 'Memphis Belle' arrived this morning ; it was the one B-17 I felt was leaving a real hole in the collection.

Took two months to arrive from an evilbay seller after many e-mails and finally a reporting to e-bay - then it turned up flimsily wrapped in brown paper with the box knocked about :mad: :rolleyes:

Still, after three years on vilebay this has been the only really p*ss-poor experience I've had. Let's just say, if you're thinking of buying from a seller in the Rainham area, drop me a pm first......:unsure:

CFBC

10th April 2006, 08:31

Hope the B17 made it through "ok" inside MB.... :rolleyes: :)

Martin Bull

10th April 2006, 08:47

Model is perfect which is more than can be said for the rest of this sorry transaction.....but then, the B-17 had a well-deserved reputation for withstanding combat damage !;)

plumstix

10th April 2006, 09:02

Martin Bull

10th April 2006, 09:06

Thanks for the offer, plumstix, but I wouldn't have wanted to get you involved. At one stage I was mulling over driving round there to get my money back....:mad:

Grizzly Adams

10th April 2006, 12:54

How weird is that MB, i got a Memphis Bell a few weeks back wrapped in just a couple of bin liners, so not only did it stink, but the box was buggered! Opened it up and the model was a mess. Described as mint the bombaimers perspx was totally detched, the top half of the cockpit area was coming away, glue stains around one of the engines, pitot tubes missing a real disaster. Thankfully the seller refunded the lot, but then had the cheek to say that the damage must've been done in transit. I took photos of the damage before sending it back just in case. So anyone looking to by a Memphis Belle from a seller John33west in Kings Lynn, don't!

Grizz

Greycap Leader

10th April 2006, 13:00

Me and my dad bought a Memphis each last year from from a toyfair 30quid each, bit of a bargain at the time. Just curious MB how much did you pay for the Belle?

Agent X20

10th April 2006, 13:13

but then had the cheek to say that the damage must've been done in transit. IGrizz.. If in doubt .. blame the postie... seems a common thread..:mad:

Martin Bull

10th April 2006, 16:56

Just curious MB how much did you pay for the Belle?

It was £40 + £7 '1st class recorded' postage and packing....it never was sent recorded and as:mad: for:mad: the:mad: packing:mad: .....nurse ! my pills - in the top left pocket......quickly......

Agent X20

10th April 2006, 17:29

Thats cos you wanted the special weathered version.. no pleasing some...:blink:

Martin Bull

10th April 2006, 19:15

Weathered...not jumped-up-and-down-on and kicked-into-the-back-left-hand-corner-of-the-net.....:mad:

kevjb64

10th April 2006, 19:17

Weathered...not jumped-up-and-down-on and kicked-into-the-back-left-hand-corner-of-the-net.....:mad:

Mmm , sounds nasty , more leathered than weathered . :(

Agent X20

10th April 2006, 19:47

No pleasing som e.. i have to pay good money to get Miss Whiplash to do that to me...:LOL:

Eagle1

10th April 2006, 19:55

.. If in doubt .. blame the postie... seems a common thread..:mad:
It's all I get day in day out Agent!! :(

E1

Agent X20

10th April 2006, 20:02

Sorry to hear that....

I was of course referring to these fine E Bay sellers that sell their broken models a la Bay then blame the postal services.. and force you to take insurance....:( In fact I must speak to one about a certain Western DC3.. said he would refund.. its gone bl*ody quiet..:mad:

Eagle1

10th April 2006, 20:06

I'm quite fortunate as I can pick my stuff up at work, but some of the parcels I've received .........

What can you say eh?

E1

CFBC

17th April 2006, 20:42

http://i3.tinypic.com/vqlf6h.jpg
US33311 - B-17G Flying Fortress Big Yank Sterparone, Italy

david cotton

17th April 2006, 20:49

I eally like the finish of Big Yank :) Its got that nice flat matt finish, which looks so good. I was looking at the mighty eith in colour and some of the unpained aircraft look just like the Corgi Picture. :)

DCRanger

17th April 2006, 21:41

And yet more silver paint.!

Av8tor

15th September 2006, 12:01

According to a US retailer's website the Big Yank has been cancelled.

Av8tor :)

Martin Bull

15th September 2006, 17:16

Why don't they just stop messing about and do a really good 'Bl**dy Hundredth' Thorpe Abbotts B-17G ? Plenty of documentation available for many of the aircraft from one of the most legendary Bomb Groups.....:rolleyes:

CFBC

15th September 2006, 17:28

Yeah, agree with you MB, C*rgi really seem to be messing around at present with their releases and future releases (if the past post is true). There are SO many good B17 schemes that they could do still.......

Why oh why.... Aha.. It's C*rgi.... :)

klepto4

15th September 2006, 22:28

Whats this new silver one cost £100 plus, I bet my bottom dollar you guys wait a year before you buy. I kinda like the first one with the guns under the nose with the shark teath "Patches 2nd" I think, but it's still bl$$dy £100+ at CHC whilst some are going now for £40. This was an earlier release as well :confused:
Better get the other one which has the Thunderbolt with it and it's a bubbletop as well hurrah! considering they're all bloomin Razorbacks which I don't like very much!
Moan over K4 out ;)

Red Leader

18th September 2006, 19:13

Anyone have any opinions on Sentimental Journey? Not seen one of these up close in real life yet.

Agent X20

18th September 2006, 19:20

Anyone have any opinions on Sentimental Journey? Not seen one of these up close in real life yet. Very silver.... very polished...(but not in a 'metal way' but so is the real thing.... If you want a 'warbird' B17 then its the closest you will come to one... if you want an operational number, there are better models about.. (IMHO DYOR etc)

She always reminds me of an Aifix kit...put together and all I had was two cans of paint.. silver and black... paint her up and slap the transfers on..:) :) :)

Also depends what you are paying.. £30-40 bargain.. £80.. not so...

Martin Bull

18th September 2006, 19:34

It's a very attractive model but it's never really appealed to me....if you want a model of SJ as it appears today, fine ( and as Agent quite rightly says, there have been plenty around the £45 mark ). But it doesn't have the 'WWII look' in the same way that, for instance, 'Nine O Nine' does. So I haven't been tempted to add it to my B-17 lineup.

Red Leader

18th September 2006, 19:40

Well CHC are doing em at £40 at the mo, which I reckon is a good deal.It looks different so I may get one. Is the silver finish the same as Bats B25?

CFBC

18th September 2006, 19:43

Well CHC are doing em at £40 at the mo, which I reckon is a good deal.It looks different so I may get one. Is the silver finish the same as Bats B25?

Bargain for that personally, but the finish is more a mirror finish (http://www.tricatus.co.uk/aa33307.htm)RL, not like Bats at all.. Thats a dull silver (http://www.tricatus.co.uk/aa35303.htm)..... Have one in front of me.... Take a look on Tri's site and you will see....

I agree with MB... For the money (at £40) then worthwhile, but there are more WW2 looking aircraft out there! 9o9 indeed!!!! Still eludes me... :rolleyes: :)

Red Leader

18th September 2006, 19:56

Thanks for comments guys. As a lot of you have said often enough on here usually best to see something in flesh first before buying it. It looks good on Tri's site so I think I'll take the plunge.

Agent X20

18th September 2006, 20:04

Would think if you pay £40 and think its the pants.. stick it in the loft for five years.. you should get yer money back.. and more..

The Defiant Man

18th September 2006, 20:50

Presonally, I like SJ.....which is unusual in that I am not normally a great fan of polished schemes......as stated by others....£40 fine, but not anywhere near RRP....mind you that goes for all the big stuff!:D

hworth18

18th September 2006, 22:47

I think SJ is one of the better B-17s put out by Corgi.. The finish is just fantastic and it is a real show piece.. (still waiting on my 909, should be here by Wednesday).. Woohoo!!!:D

condor

19th September 2006, 07:42

I had SJ, but couldn't get away with the silver finish. "Bit o Lace" is a much better model IMHO.

cONDOR

Cardinal

20th September 2006, 11:00

I think SJ is one of the better B-17s put out by Corgi.. The finish is just fantastic and it is a real show piece.. (still waiting on my 909, should be here by Wednesday).. Woohoo!!!:D

I am in full agreement with hworth18 on this - Sentimental Journey is in my opinion the best Corgi B17 out there with Bit O Lace running a close second ;) :D.

Martin Bull

20th September 2006, 11:09

I can see we're going to have to talk about this....;)

http://www.eccentrix.com/members/freedomland/gunfight.jpg

ozlanc

20th September 2006, 12:50

Sentimental Journey is ok but I prefer Bit o Lace myself because it actually flew in combat.

Agent X20

20th September 2006, 13:22

909.. best one so far, but nowhere near what they could do with a proper bit of weathering to hide the joint lines..:D

BOL.. How can you have a nice shiny Fort with a tatty replacement wingtip.. :confused:

Mind you.. even a weathered Lane Spifire has a bright yellow shiny new spinner..:D :D :D

Cardinal

21st September 2006, 06:10

Sentimental Journey is ok but I prefer Bit o Lace myself because it actually flew in combat.

Depends on how you look at it ;).

I speak under correction, but I believe that the Sentimental Journey Warbird flying today (aircraft not name) saw service in the Pacific Theatre of Operations, after which it saw extensive service as an airborne 'fire-fighter' before becoming what she is today :D.

In essence Sentimental Journey is iconic as it represents both the past and the present - swords into ploughshares so to speak :cool:.

Martin Bull

21st September 2006, 07:56

Cardinal's basically right - SJ was built in March 1945 and served in the Pacific but not as 'Sentimental Journey' which flew with the 457th BG from Glatton, whereas 'BoL' is - almost :rolleyes: - represented by Corgi in its original combat colours.

ozlanc

21st September 2006, 10:56

True Mr Bull, the actual B-17 airframe # 44-83514 was modified after the war to represent 'Sentimental Journey'. 44-83514 was built to late in the war for the European theatre and was relegated to various NON-combat missions in the Pacific theatre. Therefore the Corgi model is an aircraft that never flew in combat representing another aircraft. Bit o Lace may not be totally accurate but it's still well ahead of SJ imo. Of course my preference for purely combat aircraft is just my opinion, and if some collectors like SJ thats fine by me.

SJ reminds me of the following quote from Blackadder :)
Percy: You know, they do say that the Infanta's eyes are more beautiful than the famous Stone of Galveston.
Edmund: Mm! ... What?
Percy: The famous Stone of Galveston, My Lord.
Edmund: And what's that, exactly?
Percy: Well, it's a famous blue stone, and it comes ... from Galveston.
Edmund: I see. And what about it?
Percy: Well, My Lord, the Infanta's eyes are bluer than it, for a start.
Edmund: I see. And have you ever seen this stone?
Percy: (nods) No, not as such, My Lord, but I know a couple of people who have, and they say it's very very blue indeed.
Edmund: And have these people seen the Infanta's eyes?
Percy: No, I shouldn't think so, My Lord.
Edmund: And neither have you, presumably.
Percy: No, My Lord.
Edmund: So, what you're telling me, Percy, is that something you have never seen is slightly less blue than something else you have never seen.
Percy: (finally begins to grasp) Yes, My Lord.

CFBC

27th September 2006, 13:27

Good stuff Cardinal, MB and Ozlanc....

So, what about 9o9 then? :) You learn stuff everyday on this forum....

david cotton

28th September 2006, 19:34

I see that CHC are selling Mount N Ride for only £40. I am tempted at this price to buy one for the loft. However, is this a wise move at the moment... any one got some advice here :unsure:

DCRanger

28th September 2006, 19:48

See the CHC pre-orders and Lev Leaves the CHC threads first.:)

Martin Bull

22nd October 2006, 17:52

There seem to be less and less 1/72 B-17s about on evilbay and the stalls these days.....

This is one of Corgi's less-well-loved models, but no excuses for posting a wonderful pic of the 1/1 scale item.....

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/SweetLovely.jpg

Red 2

22nd October 2006, 17:58

Mount' R still around but the others seem to be scarce now....glad I got BoL and '9 0 9' when I did. And, no, you can't mention that bargain again!:p

david cotton

22nd October 2006, 18:01

Thats A FAKE pic.... I've got the Corgi Sweet and Loverly..... and that B17 pic does not have the right shade of apple green ;)

Red 2

22nd October 2006, 18:02

Thats A FAKE pic.... I've got the Corgi Sweet and Loverly..... and that B17 pic does not have the right shade of apple green ;)

Hmmm.....dihedral....:unsure: :LOL:

Martin Bull

22nd October 2006, 18:02

I thought so - the figures look unrealistic and there's some glue on the prop blade.....:o

david cotton

22nd October 2006, 18:02

Mount' R still around but the others seem to be scarce now....glad I got BoL and '9 0 9' when I did. And, no, you can't mention that bargain again!:p

Any one what to swap a certified 909 and Sleepy time gal for my BOBMF Lancaster set :D

Red 2

22nd October 2006, 18:05

Sorry, '9 0 9' is the B-17 equivalent of the battle scarred Spit!:D Planning on it being the family heirloom:D

Martin Bull

22nd October 2006, 18:05

No thanks - think I'll hang on to my £50 certified 'Nine-O-Nine'.....:LOL:

david cotton

22nd October 2006, 18:08

No thanks - think I'll hang on to my £50 certified 'Nine-O-Nine'.....:LOL:

Sorry, missed that, how much did you pay for your certified , super rare, most wanted, 909 B17. Can't of been less than Red2 did...for sure :unsure:

Red 2

22nd October 2006, 18:55

No, no....don't mind me.....no chips on my shoulder.....not sad or bitter in any way...:p {mutter, mutter}:D

Martin Bull

29th October 2006, 12:53

Having carted my model of 'Sweet and Lovely' around Ridgewell yesterday gave me a much better appreciation of this model.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Ridgewell026.jpg

We don't seem to have discussed it a lot here, probably because it was one of the very early Corgi B-17s ( Jan 2003 ). I have to confess I'd bought mine on evilbay for about £35 two years ago and stuck it straight in the loft....:o

I think that Corgi did actually try to get the green right, hoping to emulate the 'weathered' look ; but somehow in 1/72 scale it just doesn't come across well. IMHO their current P-47/B-17 dark O/D would have made this a cracking model. ( Afterthought - why on Earth have Corgi given the tyres a greenish hue ?? :blink: )

But as it is, it's a very good rendition of a B-17F - correct, early upper turret with the flat top and heavy framing, plus a well-detailed 'stinger' tail. Also a full complement of nose guns and the two waist guns as well ( why have Corgi dropped those on later models ? :confused: ). All in all, a better model than its given credit for, I think.

Craig

29th October 2006, 13:04

two waist guns as well ( why have Corgi dropped those on later models ? :confused: ).
Possibly because they're pretty frail and prone to breaking? Round the fuselage is where it seems "natural" to pick it up, and if you do you'll break them off! would rather they be there, but can see the logic in removing them also...

Martin Bull

29th October 2006, 15:08

Must admit I picked the thing up about 50 times yesterday, never came near breaking them ; they are also sturdier than they look.... I really wonder if it's 'ease of production' or something.

neighbob

29th October 2006, 16:33

Martin Bull

29th October 2006, 17:00

http://www.blueblood.net/boards/images/smilies2/thefinger.gif

neighbob

29th October 2006, 17:21

http://www.blueblood.net/boards/images/smilies2/thefinger.gif

And i see you have some new play mates:LOL:

DCRanger

29th October 2006, 18:21

t - why on Earth have Corgi given the tyres a greenish hue ?? :blink: )

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: Here's couple of quotes from the Black Hawk thread.

It could be the wrong shade of black, sort of very dark green.:eek: :D

Stupid boy!!!:blink:

CFBC

29th October 2006, 19:22

http://www.blueblood.net/boards/images/smilies2/thefinger.gif

I take it that these are the only fingers that this little green "thing" has and is not a "gesture" of bad taste MB. ;) :)

Martin Bull

29th October 2006, 19:26

Of course - I think he's making some point about 'green fingers' or the like.....;)

prune

3rd December 2006, 12:28

Am I imagining this, but a few days ago did someone post that they wouldn't get a Nine 0 Nine as the tail position was wrong :confused:

Martin Bull

3rd December 2006, 12:43

Red 2

3rd December 2006, 13:08

I'm not sure about this one. The current flying replica in the USA has a 'Cheyenne' tail position. The original was delivered in February 1944 and most likely had a 'stinger' tail. But, to quote from Ray Bowden's superb 91st BG book ; -

'During it's long combat career the ship received 21 new engines and 18 replacement Tokyo tanks, 15 main fuel tanks and countless manhours of maintenance and patching up of battle damage...' ( 'Plane Names & Fancy Noses' p. 151 ).

So it's posible that '9-0-9' may have had a subsequent 'Cheyenne' tail retro-fitted......

Anyone disastisfied with their model can have it removed by the 'Die Cast Disaster Removal Team' a charitable organisation set up by Red 2 to help out poor unfortunates saddled with '909s', Lane Spits, Swordfish and the like. Free of charge as well.... so stop that pain....you know it makes sense!

prune

3rd December 2006, 13:09

Cheers MB, I suppose all B-17Gs delivered before that date had the stinger tail.With all that damage that should be one hell of a faded finish.Still a nice model though.

Martin Bull

3rd December 2006, 13:15

Just to confuse the issue even more, the current replica '9-0-9' as flown by the Collings Foundation featues the early 'stinger' tail.....

The search goes on.....:wacko:

Martin Bull

4th December 2006, 19:10

Well, I certainly shan't be hopping from foot to foot waiting for US33313 late in 2007.

http://www.3000toys.com/images/CORGI/US33313.jpg

No disprespect to the original 91st BG 'General Ike' which was a celebrated aircraft, but after 'Bit O'Lace' and '9-0-9', this one does look rather tame. Have we seen the best of Corgi's B-17s ? :(

Martin Bull

24th February 2007, 10:31

Thankfully, this one has been 'dropped' or 'deferred' in the Great Corgi Cull Of 2007.

So it looks like no B-17s at all this year - grab those bargains while you can.....

Red 2

24th February 2007, 11:19

Thankfully, this one has been 'dropped' or 'deferred' in the Great Corgi Cull Of 2007.

So it looks like no B-17s at all this year - grab those bargains while you can.....

I think the market has had enough B-17s for a while, certainly with 1000-1500 runs. Don't want the thread to wander but do wonder if the risk associated with issuing the larger models and them not selling might just be too much for Corgi at the moment. Halifax will be interesting in terms of what is actually issued. Whatever transpires, I'm glad I've got '9o9' and 'BoL' safely sitting on the shelf.

Martin Bull

24th February 2007, 12:51

I think the market has had enough B-17s for a while,

Think you're probably right - for sure, the relatively mundane-looking 'General Ike' would have pleased only the most ardent 91st BG enthusiast.

( I'm just soooo glad I picked up my £50 '9-0-9' when I had the chance....http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/nana2.gif)

datacroft

24th February 2007, 17:03

( I'm just soooo glad I picked up my £50 '9-0-9' when I had the chance....)
Fifty smackeroonies.:confused:
That's twenty nine squid more than your normal buying trigger.:LOL: :LOL:

Red 2

24th February 2007, 18:42

Think you're probably right - for sure, the relatively mundane-looking 'General Ike' would have pleased only the most ardent 91st BG enthusiast.

( I'm just soooo glad I picked up my £50 '9-0-9' when I had the chance....http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/nana2.gif)

Nooooo.....that fruit again!!!:rolleyes: :LOL:

dilligafocau

4th April 2008, 06:39

Picked this up from the Bay, dang Aerial fell off as I attempted to straighten it...oh well will re-attach with Locktite 406 later :o

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/Belle1small.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/Belle2small.jpg

CFBC

4th April 2008, 07:56

Looks very :cool Dill. Reminds me I must get those new cabinets that Mrs CFBC said was my Xmas pressie and get that B17 display sorted with the Dragon gunner and also a few diecast on display.... ;) :)

FierytheAngelsFell

29th June 2008, 01:18

My first 1/72 B-17. A stunning model. It arrived this week with the other bird in the second picture.

blue steel

29th June 2008, 01:49

I think the market has had enough B-17s for a while, certainly with 1000-1500 runs. Don't want the thread to wander but do wonder if the risk associated with issuing the larger models and them not selling might just be too much for Corgi at the moment. Halifax will be interesting in terms of what is actually issued. Whatever transpires, I'm glad I've got '9o9' and 'BoL' safely sitting on the shelf.

Will be interesting indeed. I think you're right with regard to the B17 but I hope at some point we might see a Sally B and the RAF MKIII camo job, previously released in 1/144, added to the 1/72 range

Red 2

29th June 2008, 05:48

My first 1/72 B-17. A stunning model. It arrived this week with the other bird in the second picture.

Fantastic pair of models and, even if you never had any other examples of that aircraft type, you have picked nominees for the best of each type:cool: :)

Cardinal

29th June 2008, 06:03

As much as I like Bo'L, 909 and MB, I would have to say that my personal favourite of all the Corgi B17s is still Sentimental Journey . It may perhaps be a little understated for some, but it is really a scheme that one never seems to tire of :cool:. If you can find one at a reasonable price it is well worthwhile adding to the collection :D.

kevjb64

29th June 2008, 10:00

Will be interesting indeed. I think you're right with regard to the B17 but I hope at some point we might see a Sally B and the RAF MKIII camo job, previously released in 1/144, added to the 1/72 range

Agree with you and Red 2 , these would be two schemes I would def. buy but as stated there is already a lot of schemes about . I fear the future of these older mold four engine heavies depends on Cornby being able to make 500 runs viable , or not . :)

blue steel

29th June 2008, 10:59

Agree with you and Red 2 , these would be two schemes I would def. buy but as stated there is already a lot of schemes about . I fear the future of these older mold four engine heavies depends on Cornby being able to make 500 runs viable , or not . :)

Hi Kev. They have the casting which is the most expensive bit so they may as well go for a low run on a selected model (RAF MKIII ;) ) but perhaps a Sally B may justify a higher run. Might be worth looking at in say 2009/10 depending on what the future holds of course. I have Bit of Lace (memories of Airfix :) ) M. Belle, the Pacific set 'Miss Minookie' and the RAF CC at the moment. Refrained from a 'nine-o-nine' due to space and finance but quite fancy one now - anyone know the going rate for these please?

kevjb64

29th June 2008, 11:42

Hi Kev. They have the casting which is the most expensive bit so they may as well go for a low run on a selected model (RAF MKIII ;) ) but perhaps a Sally B may justify a higher run. Might be worth looking at in say 2009/10 depending on what the future holds of course. I have Bit of Lace (memories of Airfix :) ) M. Belle, the Pacific set 'Miss Minookie' and the RAF CC at the moment. Refrained from a 'nine-o-nine' due to space and finance but quite fancy one now - anyone know the going rate for these please?

The last nine-o-nine's seen on the bay all made good money up and around SRP then someone ( cannot remember who ) found a cheapish source in the states though still fairly expensive with the recent USPS increase in postage, which a few of the guys purchased . Seem to have disappeared off the radar though recently .

Agree only Cornby know the math for how much was paid for molds / goodwill etc . and wether they have been able to renegotiate with Mr.Wong on the production deal , Corgi's always seeming to be one of the most expensive in the market place . I think you right the market could now probably only stand one of these every 18-24 months or so . :)

ZS-VAN

29th June 2008, 11:42

My first 1/72 B-17. A stunning model. It arrived this week with the other bird in the second picture.

Nice score mate. Congrats! Got agree with R2, great choices. ;) Great way to revive a thread!

spinnaker987

5th November 2008, 20:19

dilligafocau

5th November 2008, 20:42

kevjb64

5th November 2008, 20:43

And while we're all sending reminders / making demands of Corgi, can I remind them that I want a Bomber Command B-17 as well (although I don't mind waiting until after they've released the Stirling ;) :D ). This one would be a good choice in my books: -

Is there another well known nose art one , only FM have already done this one , albeit in 1:48 ??

spinnaker987

5th November 2008, 20:44

Would love to see one of these :cool: , the 1/144 version was a mite small :rolleyes:

I don't do 1:144, so I should have also said that they have to do it in 1:72 ;-)

(How did my post finish up in this thread?)

CFBC

5th November 2008, 20:46

(How did my post finish up in this thread?)

Because I moved it to the B17 thread. ;) :)

Dutchie

5th November 2008, 22:05

My first 1/72 B-17. A stunning model. It arrived this week with the other bird in the second picture.

Very long on my wishlist and ordered A bit o' Lace today:)

Martin Bull

5th November 2008, 22:18

Well done Dutchie ! No collection is complete without 'Bo'L'......:cool:

fatalbert

5th November 2008, 22:33

Well done Dutchie ! No collection is complete without 'Bo'L'......:cool:

Unfortunately i have to agree as mine is missing both 'Bit o Lace' and 'Sentimental Journey'.:(

Dutchie

5th November 2008, 22:58

Well done Dutchie ! No collection is complete without 'Bo'L'......:cool:

I knew you are a big fan of this B-17:) When it's on display in my cabinet I'll put a picture on this thread:)

Craig

5th November 2008, 23:48

I knew you are a big fan of this B-17:) When it's on display in my cabinet I'll put a picture on this thread:)

Great choice! Wish I had one! :(

Agree on the 214 Sqn B-17, can't believe Corgi still haven't done one. A must have for sure :cool

spinnaker987

6th November 2008, 00:45

Because I moved it to the B17 thread. ;) :)

Thought I was back on MHII for a sec :eek: ;) :D .

Hornchurch

6th November 2008, 01:54

And while we're all sending reminders / making demands of Corgi, can I remind them that I want a Bomber Command B-17 as well (although I don't mind waiting until after they've released the Stirling ;) :D ). This one would be a good choice in my books: -

Great choice! Wish I had one! :(

Agree on the 214 Sqn B-17, can't believe Corgi still haven't done one. A must have for sure :cool

spinnaker, I've gotta agree with you & Craig on an excellent choice & suggestion for the various Black/Camouflaged 214 Sdqn aircraft :cool :cool

Supremely cool, to say the least

Theo Boiten's superb & in-depth books, regarding German NachtJagd attacks on some of these 100 Group jammers are WELL worth reading

I was amazed to hear about a 19 year old ('Full-Blown') German (RAF) on board one of these Camouflaged beauties & his running verbal battles with the Me.110 controllers......... v.interesting stuff

If Corgi done it in limited numbers, I reckon it would be a strong-seller, PROVIDED we're not TOO-LONG & TOO DEEP in this financial recession.......

Maybe a year down the line, perhaps ?

Hopefully, one for the (not too distant) future ??????????????

This, & a Stirling would be mouthwatering stuff :cool

spinnaker987

6th November 2008, 03:15

Hornchurch,

Been doing a bit of reading about 100-Groups activities laltely myself. Fascinating stuff for sure!

Dutchie

6th November 2008, 11:31

Great choice! Wish I had one! :(

Agree on the 214 Sqn B-17, can't believe Corgi still haven't done one. A must have for sure :cool

Goes well with the Coastal Command Liberator:cool:

blue steel

6th November 2008, 16:58

spinnaker, I've gotta agree with you & Craig on an excellent choice & suggestion for the various Black/Camouflaged 214 Sdqn aircraft :cool :cool

Supremely cool, to say the least

Theo Boiten's superb & in-depth books, regarding German NachtJagd attacks on some of these 100 Group jammers are WELL worth reading

I was amazed to hear about a 19 year old ('Full-Blown') German (RAF) on board one of these Camouflaged beauties & his running verbal battles with the Me.110 controllers......... v.interesting stuff

If Corgi done it in limited numbers, I reckon it would be a strong-seller, PROVIDED we're not TOO-LONG & TOO DEEP in this financial recession.......

Maybe a year down the line, perhaps ?

Hopefully, one for the (not too distant) future ??????????????

This, & a Stirling would be mouthwatering stuff :cool

Hey, I want some love too (Post 364) :) :D :LOL:

eismeer

7th November 2008, 02:04

Unfortunately i have to agree as mine is missing both 'Bit o Lace' and 'Sentimental Journey'.:(

I'm in the same boat as you fatalbert:(

As much as i like SJ it is one i can live without but BoL is a must have at some stage:cool:

Have tried on a number of occasions (e-bay) to secure one and been knocked back. Guess it is gonna be one i have to bite the bullet on if it is to make it to my collection:D

von hitchofen

7th November 2008, 13:39

spinnaker, I've gotta agree with you & Craig on an excellent choice & suggestion for the various Black/Camouflaged 214 Sdqn aircraft :cool :cool :cool

would be great...but could Cornby be trusted with all the aerials...and the H2S radome....:unsure:

and could I be trusted to get it out the box intact....:eek:

Red 2

7th November 2008, 17:05

would be great...but could Cornby be trusted with all the aerials...and the H2S radome....:unsure:

and could I be trusted to get it out the box intact....:eek:

They did a decent job with the special duties Wellington and I would have one in a flash but would it sell enough?:unsure:

von hitchofen

7th November 2008, 17:13

and I would have one in a flash but would it sell enough?:unsure:

hmmm, thats the ninety quid question....:unsure:

spinnaker987

7th November 2008, 20:06

would be great...but could Cornby be trusted with all the aerials...and the H2S radome....:unsure:

and could I be trusted to get it out the box intact....:eek:

I think we've got a better chance with them doing this than we have of them producing an earlier B-17C (Fortress I).

datacroft

7th November 2008, 20:23

I think we've got a better chance with them doing this than we have of them producing an earlier B-17C (Fortress I).
Already got one.:p :D
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/datacroft/b17five.jpg

Craig

8th November 2008, 11:13

They did a decent job with the special duties Wellington and I would have one in a flash but would it sell enough?:unsure:
I'd say it's in with a good shout, it's a good looking aircraft and a very interesting role. I think it's certainly got more chance than some of the heavies that have already been done! :D

As for the Bit O'Lace/Sentimental Journey debate, I don't have BoL but wish I did. As for Sentimental Journey though, can't say as I'm too upset at the omission, just doesn't really appeal in the same way. There's plenty of others I'd like to have ahead of it anyway, that's for sure :)

canberra-tt18

8th November 2008, 12:23

Does anybody know where i can buy Bit o lace or mount and ride from. Can't find any on Ebay and i won't be buying one from america.

scott

8th November 2008, 12:34

Does anybody know where i can buy Bit o lace or mount and ride from. Can't find any on Ebay and i won't be buying one from america.

Its just a waiting game then .
I got mine from the US when it was $2.01 to a £ :wacko:

CFBC

8th November 2008, 13:36

Does anybody know where i can buy Bit o lace or mount and ride from. Can't find any on Ebay and i won't be buying one from america.

Yeah, case of sit tight and wait.. They do appear from time to time.. :)

KO-B

8th November 2008, 13:51

Already got one.:p :D
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/datacroft/b17five.jpg

Now this, I like! :cool Who makes it?

KO-B

eismeer

8th November 2008, 15:34

Does anybody know where i can buy Bit o lace or mount and ride from. Can't find any on Ebay and i won't be buying one from america.

Yep, as suggested, the 'bay is probably yer best option but like i said in an earlier post, you might have to bite the bullet on this one and push the boat out to secure one:)

Just let me know if you are gonna bid on the next one that hits the 'bay, just so we don't try biting the bullet at the same time;) :LOL:

kevjb64

8th November 2008, 16:01

Yep, as suggested, the 'bay is probably yer best option but like i said in an earlier post, you might have to bite the bullet on this one and push the boat out to secure one:)

Just let me know if you are gonna bid on the next one that hits the 'bay, just so we don't try biting the bullet at the same time;) :LOL:

Well keep your eyes open as Monday / Tuesday have been set aside as re-arrange the loft days ( which basically translates as try to make more room to store even more diecast :rolleyes: ) and whilst I can never be sure what I will find there are a couple of spare BoL's up there somewhere . ;)

eismeer

8th November 2008, 16:03

Well keep your eyes open as Monday / Tuesday have been set aside as re-arrange the loft days ( which basically translates as try to make more room to store even more diecast :rolleyes: ) and whilst I can never be sure what I will find there are a couple of spare BoL's up there somewhere . ;)

You've got my attention:D

spinnaker987

9th November 2008, 20:09

Already got one.:p :D
http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k251/datacroft/b17five.jpg

Very nice - Corgi is it ;-)

kevjb64

9th November 2008, 20:33

Very nice - Corgi is it ;-)

Doubt it as no one has questioned any of the colours . :rolleyes: :LOL:

Hornchurch

10th November 2008, 04:48

Hornchurch,

Been doing a bit of reading about 100-Groups activities laltely myself. Fascinating stuff for sure!

would be great...but could Cornby be trusted with all the aerials...and the H2S radome....:unsure:

and could I be trusted to get it out the box intact....:eek:

These T.V. aerials would make 'box-extraction' a more challenging task !

Be nice if Corgi DON'T (mistakenly) fit a "Cheyenne", either :D

Dutchie

19th November 2008, 17:16

Well done Dutchie ! No collection is complete without 'Bo'L'......:cool:

Waiting for two weeks, but today it arrived!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:
and Martin, you are right:)

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/006-4.jpg

KO-B

19th November 2008, 17:22

Waiting for two weeks, but today it arrived!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:
and Martin, you are right:)

No.1 on my 'To Buy' list for 2009 (Along with PO-S, I hope).
Great picture, Dutchie!:cool

KO-B

Eagle1

19th November 2008, 17:25

Waiting for two weeks, but today it arrived!!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:
and Martin, you are right:)

Very nice Dutchie, I'm still after a 9-0-9 at some point.

E1

kevjb64

19th November 2008, 17:25

Very nice Dutchie . :)

Martin Bull

19th November 2008, 18:13

Well done, Dutchie !

Can't resist posting this again - at the actual main runway....

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Rattlesden%20Airfield/Rattlesden11Nov05035.jpg

Craig

19th November 2008, 18:20

Some corking pics, Dutchie you lucky lucky man! One day I'll find one for sensible money (I hope... :o ) :) ;)

Upkeep

19th November 2008, 19:01

Be nice if Corgi DON'T (mistakenly) fit a "Cheyenne", either :D

I would have to say, they got BOL most correct, if I was to judge from the telling [ photos here ] (http://bates-r-us.org/abitolace/). Certainly THE Corgi B-17 worth hunting down . . which reminds me . . . :unsure:

Pity about most of the other B-17s of theirs though, save the 'Belle'.

/U

Shamrock

19th November 2008, 19:04

Dutchie

19th November 2008, 19:08

Well done, Dutchie !

Can't resist posting this again - at the actual main runway....

http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/Rattlesden%20Airfield/Rattlesden11Nov05035.jpg

Airfield Rattlesden:cool: :cool: :cool: MB:)

spinnaker987

19th November 2008, 19:23

I've only got one 'Fort in my collection, Memphis Belle. Those pics are telling me that I need a B-17G to keep her company - think I might have to track down a BOL :rolleyes: .

Upkeep

19th November 2008, 22:54

Looks great Dutchie. I treated myself to this some time ago. The Airfix kit of this aircraft was the first large model I made over 45 years ago. Time flies indeed. I'll bet a lot of the other 'old geezers' on the forum did the same :D

Here's one 'old geezer' who built that Airfix kit in 1967 and enjoyed every second of it! :D NOW I do have to either get a copy of BOL, or build that Airfix kit again! One or the other! ;)

http://www.airfix.com/_images/assets/product-directory/product-full/15%20fortress%20resized%282%29.JPG

A real gem!!

/U

DCRanger

19th November 2008, 23:04

Yup, I made the Airfix kit as well.

eismeer

20th November 2008, 00:31

Nice pics Dutchie and great addition to your collection:cool: but you are really making me green with envy:D

Hornchurch

20th November 2008, 00:36

Here's one 'old geezer' who built that Airfix kit in 1967 and enjoyed every second of it! :D
NOW I do have to either get a copy of BOL, or build that Airfix kit again! One or the other! ;) A real gem!!/U

I would have to say, they got BOL most correct, /U

Well, um........

Most Sadly, they DIDN'T get it right/correct :D ;) !!!!!!!!!!!!

Now I don't wanna break hearts here; or see anyone taking a "Stanley-Knife" to their wrists (job) - or, worse still :D = relegating THEY'RE own Corgi "Bit O' Lace" to the loft........... just cause it's (um) "wrong" (Duck Icon Req'd !)

You'll have to "Grin & Bear it" :D ;) :cool: :cool:

Oh & BTW = if it's (prob') already been mentioned, I AIN'T gonna "trawl" thru 466 previous posts (on this thread) to find out; so bear with me, will ya ?????
(can Guarantee, at least 4 - 5 have prob' already spotted the obvious ?)

Corgi's '976' (Bit O' Lace) has YELLOW cowls......

Airfix's '976' (Roy Cross, Bit O' Lace) has WHITE cowls...

The section of picture I'm including, is the REAL '976' Bit O' Lace (42-97976)

The shot is one of a number, taken on the afternoon of 12th May 1945, over the surrounding Norfolk countryside........(many of '976' on her own & also with her sister ships)

As ya can see = the cowls are anything BUT 'Yellow' :rolleyes:

Certainly weathered enough for THOSE cowls to have been painted sometime in 1944, let alone summer '45

Any "sticklers for realism", who now feel that I've 'punctured' their Diecast Rattlesden/B.17 dream, are MORE THAN WELCOME:D ;) to sling their 'innaccurate' YELLOW cowl '17's over to Hornchurch field, ya here ?????

There's a good home (& a Badger 200, compressor & a few tinlets of Humbrol Matt white plus some Rowney's "Raw-Sienna" on stand-by;)

Upkeep

20th November 2008, 01:19

. . . Any "sticklers for realism", who now feel that I've 'punctured' their Diecast Rattlesden/B.17 dream, are MORE THAN WELCOME:D ;) to sling their 'innaccurate' YELLOW cowl '17's over to Hornchurch field, ya here ?????

There's a good home (& a Badger 200, compressor & a few tinlets of Humbrol Matt white plus some Rowney's "Raw-Sienna" on stand-by;)

Excellent!! :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL:

/U

Martin Bull

20th November 2008, 07:41

Shamrock

20th November 2008, 08:06

Girlpower was the watchword of the 90s; from now on it's 'GEEZERPOWER' :LOL: from the Airfix/Frog/Revell makers of the 60s :D

Garethster

20th November 2008, 08:25

Girlpower was the watchword of the 90s; from now on it's 'GEEZERPOWER' :LOL: from the Airfix/Frog/Revell makers of the 60s :D

I'm still buying those vintage kits too ;) Forget GreyPower I think GeezerPower is waaaaay cooler. So rock on you old Geezers:D ;)

Craig

20th November 2008, 16:30

Yup - and he stripe on the wing's the wrong colour too....

In fact, the model is another Corgi 'classic' in that it was torn to sheds on this very forum when it came out ( rather like FTT and another current release ) and yet despite some very obvious faults, Bo'Ls gone on to become just about everyone's favourite Corgi B-17 and an absolute 'must have' for the serious AA collector.....;)

To be fair, it is innaccurate (I won't comment on the others-not my "area" ;) ) but at the end of the day, it does look very very right. You can't allow for that, and it has something of the "look" about it (like the Hackl 109-not spot on-but it looks it). Sometimes there's more to it than bang on accuracy, I believe I was discussing this with yourself and Paul at Elvington, dimensionally it may be perfect, but without the "look", it's all for nothing. It works the other way too ;)

Dutchie

20th November 2008, 22:05

Nice pics Dutchie and great addition to your collection:cool: but you are really making me green with envy:D

How can I make it up again:rolleyes: :)

Dutchie

20th November 2008, 22:14

A original war-photograph of A B O L :)

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/Rob-1.gif

Dutchie

20th November 2008, 22:18

A a scheme done in this colors:)

But what the right colors may be, I think Corgi produced a great model:cool:

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/3_7.jpg

Hornchurch

21st November 2008, 05:00

A original war-photograph of A B O L :)

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/Rob-1.gif

Funny enough Dutchie, that shot is ALSO one of the group/batch/series of pix taken by Charles E. Brown on the afternoon of 12th May 1945, over N.E.Norfolk (that I'd refered to in post No.416).

Beautiful series of shots, of one of the E.T.O.'s most iconic Bombers

As you've prob' picked-up (from my tongue-in-cheek post), I really do like the Corgi "Bit O' Lace" B.17 (despite the evident 'Faux-pas') & I guess that most guys would maybe put it as their 1st choice Corgi B.17.. (maybe with the exception of "Nine-Oh-Nine" ? - which would be MY choice, if I had either....)

Just a crying shame that there's no-one else around doing 1/72nd scale Four-Engined Bombers & Transports, to "raise the bar" higher

Martin Bull

21st November 2008, 07:49

'Nine-Oh-Nine' is probably the better model - it's a real beauty - but somehow, IMPO 'Bo'L' has that brash, flash, '8th Air Force' look ( a sort of 'camouflage is for wimps', if you'll forgive the expression.....;)

ZS-VAN

21st November 2008, 08:48

The thing that I miss most on the later B17s is the waist guns, why ever did Corgi delete these? :confused:

Cardinal

21st November 2008, 08:55

For me, Sentimental Journey remains #1 with 9 0 9 a close second - BoL does look very :cool: though.

prune

21st November 2008, 09:03

My BOL has stayed in its box since buying it.For me the cowls come into the glaring error category,yet I couldn't resist snapping it up at Duxford for £50.Still debating wether to repaint but that will kill its value:unsure:

kevjb64

21st November 2008, 10:58

The thing that I miss most on the later B17s is the waist guns, why ever did Corgi delete these? :confused:

Some of the later marks of B17's did not have waist gunners for the same reasons that say Wellington's and Lancasters lost various gun positions as different needs appeared , such as lessened threat from the luftwaffe day fighters , extra bomb loads or installation of long range tanks in the fuselage . :)

Upkeep

21st November 2008, 13:55

I'm still buying those vintage kits too ;) Forget GreyPower I think GeezerPower is waaaaay cooler. So rock on you old Geezers:D ;)

I'm with you on that!! Nothing more fun now than building those original vintage kits, and I've done a few now that have been an absolute treat. But back to BoL . . .

There is really nothing on this Cornby model that couldn't be revised easily providing one has reasonably decent modelling skills. Those cowls can be changed easily enough, as per Mr. Hornchurch's suggestions, and the stripe on the wing too. A few tinlets of Humbrol and you are away to the races. I dare say you could even do it all with a brush, if you have the skills. The end result is a model that is MUCH more accurate and still maintains that lovely 'brash look' we all fell in love with during the 60s after seeing the Airfix box art. Value? If these paint mods are done with skill, the model will go UP in value, not down. As an example, after doing my SnS Dams Lanc mods (as seen [ HERE (http://www.diecastflightdeck.com/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1214) ] on DFD), I've gotten some rather surprising yet ridiculously high offers for it, even though I've never mentioned I want to EVER sell it. See? Value just went UP.:D After the mod, it is not just another SnS Dams Lanc -- it is a unique one-off custom job that a couple of nutters think they want.:wacko:

/U

von hitchofen

21st November 2008, 17:08

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/Rob-1.gif

just goes to show how unnecessary Corgi's "weathering" was....i have a shot from later in that series and BoL is a very dirty bird ....;)

prune

21st November 2008, 18:05

Value? If these paint mods are done with skill, the model will go UP in value, not down.

Great news, I can get FTT now and paint the cowls:LOL:

kevjb64

21st November 2008, 18:33

Great news, I can get FTT now and paint the cowls:LOL:

But would that raise the value for the people with the cammo cowls / prints or devalue for the people with the unpainted cowls photo / prints ?? :confused:

Upkeep

21st November 2008, 18:35

Great news, I can get FTT now and paint the cowls:LOL:

Knock yourself out! :D Just remember to stay within the lines!:eek:

/U

Hornchurch

22nd November 2008, 01:10

But would that raise the value for the people with the cammo cowls / prints or devalue for the people with the unpainted cowls photo / prints ?? :confused:

Great news, I can get FTT now and paint the cowls :LOL: `

Am I right (or wrong) by reading the above quotes & assuming that some guys on here AIN'T happy with 'unpainted engine cowl flaps' on Corgi's "Friday the 13th" Halifax model ?

I'm also presuming it's been dealt with before (on the forum ?), but ya never
know WHO's overlooked something like this & WHO is already aware of it......

BUT.... it ain't unreasonable, seeing an active Bristol-Hercules engined British Bomber a/c with bare-metal unpainted Cowl-flaps

I'm only too aware that LV.907 "Friday" herself (basically) had painted cowl flaps in all the pix of her that I've ever seen.......... but I've included a Wartime picture in a new thread/post ("Plastic-chat; Hints.." section ) showing an active Bristol-Hercules engined a/c with bare-metal cowl flaps

Thought I'd mention it, so as to save folks not wanting to buy (F.T.T.) or, being "put-off" because of those strange looking 'unpainted flaps'

Sorry about thread-drift; now, back to yakking about B.17's

eismeer

22nd November 2008, 02:04

How can I make it up again:rolleyes: :)

Thats easy. Just put that highly inaccurate;) B17 back in its box immediately and you send it directly to me for disposal as it just doesn't look right in your otherwise perfect collection:LOL:

CFBC

25th January 2009, 10:26

An early war B17 with those defensive blisters and without the tail position would be cool though.

As the B17 is an extisting tooling and one perhaps that could be relatively cheap to produce from a manufacturers view, what liveries are or still perhaps to be done?

Obviously the above would mean "tooling mods". Anyone know what would be involved? :)

DCRanger

25th January 2009, 11:23

Obviously the above would mean "tooling mods". Anyone know what would be involved? :)

A new fuselage!

http://thumb3.webshots.net/t/58/658/3/7/45/2427307450102810203dYMbti_th.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2427307450102810203dYMbti)

Red 2

25th January 2009, 11:25

Sadly that is why I said I would be dreaming in another thread re my desire for an early B-17.

And I suspect the market would be quite small....:(

KO-B

25th January 2009, 11:27

As the B17 is an extisting tooling and one perhaps that could be relatively cheap to produce from a manufacturers view, what liveries are or still perhaps to be done?

Obviously the above would mean "tooling mods". Anyone know what would be involved? :)

Think it would mean a totally new fuselage casting at the very least. Tail is totally different. (Tapers to a point - no rear turret, smaller fin/rudder and horizontal stabilizers. Not sure about the wings. Think a big ask in the current financial mess. Would love one at some point though, perhaps HM's first Heavy? RAF CC scheme would look :cool: Also US pre-war or perhaps this one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:B-17C_with_RAF_colors.jpg

KO-B

CFBC

25th January 2009, 11:30

Yeah, that's what I thought...

So, Any as impressive as "Memphis Belle" or "Bit O'Lace" and "Sentimental Journey" or even "9 o' 9" using existing tooling?

;) :)

KO-B

25th January 2009, 11:43

Red 2

25th January 2009, 12:19

RAF livery , 100 Group, to banish forever the memory of the FM version.

Could use the existing tooling with min mods, just a question of level of demand. 750 run?

Martin Bull

25th January 2009, 12:27

So, Any as impressive as "Memphis Belle" or "Bit O'Lace" and "Sentimental Journey" or even "9 o' 9" using existing tooling?

;) :)

'9 O 9' showed what Corgi can do when they get their act together. There are so many potential schemes and everyone will have their personal favourite ; for instance, I'd still like a 'Bl**dy Hundredth' Thorpe Abbotts aircraft - 'Rosie's Riveters' or similar. Plenty of history available, lots of photos and profiles around.....

Agent X20

25th January 2009, 12:28

Thunderbird.

http://www.303rdbg.com/thunderbird/ferris.html

eismeer

25th January 2009, 12:35

Would go with Red2's suggestion for a 100thBG Fort':cool:

Also seen pics of a silver B17 with a big red tail, looked really neat:cool:

http://www.100thbg.com/index.htm

prune

25th January 2009, 13:40

DCRanger

25th January 2009, 14:49

RAF livery , 100 Group, to banish forever the memory of the FM version.

Could use the existing tooling with min mods, just a question of level of demand. 750 run?

I'd go for one o those then I could replace my CC model.

Craig

25th January 2009, 16:35

Sally B or an RAF 100 Group one for me :)

Greycap Leader

25th January 2009, 17:11

GIVE IT TO UNCLE!!

Or

MYSTERY SHIP!!

planejunky

25th January 2009, 17:35

I'd buy Sally B in an instant if it was offered in 1/72nd.
As for wartime schemes I'd like to see another silver 8th AF livery - particularly as BoL seems to be harder to find now. One of the Ridgewell 381st BG birds would be pretty colourful.

KO-B

Sally's a no go unless it was a commission for B-17 Preservation Ltd as the name a logo are both copyrighted and used as trademarks for the Sally B team.

As for other schemes, there's literally hundereds to choose from, I personally would like to see "Ruby's Raiders" of the 385th BG, or a 100th BG machine.

Craig

25th January 2009, 20:09

Sally's a no go unless it was a commission for B-17 Preservation Ltd as the name a logo are both copyrighted and used as trademarks for the Sally B team.

As for other schemes, there's literally hundereds to choose from, I personally would like to see "Ruby's Raiders" of the 385th BG, or a 100th BG machine.
That sounds more like an opportunity than a barrier to me, would make for a very nice piece, and having to involve Sally B's owners I'd say was a positive thing :)

planejunky

25th January 2009, 22:11

That sounds more like an opportunity than a barrier to me, would make for a very nice piece, and having to involve Sally B's owners I'd say was a positive thing :)

Well that depends. I'm not sure how many they'd need to order for a commission, but it would be a horrendous outlay at a time when finances are tight for the whole operation. That new engine didn't come cheap for a start! ;) So far as any "Sally B" merchandise goes, they like to keep things in house, so you definately won't be seeing a 1/72nd Sally B turn up in your local diecast shop. ;)

That said I'm sure they'd sell quicker than the 1/144 models!

Craig

25th January 2009, 22:45

Well that depends. I'm not sure how many they'd need to order for a commission, but it would be a horrendous outlay at a time when finances are tight for the whole operation. That new engine didn't come cheap for a start! ;) So far as any "Sally B" merchandise goes, they like to keep things in house, so you definately won't be seeing a 1/72nd Sally B turn up in your local diecast shop. ;)

That said I'm sure they'd sell quicker than the 1/144 models!
But why would this have to be done as a commission? Corgi could produce it in conjunction with the owners, perhaps with a donation to Sally B in with the bargain. It'd be a good seller, generate a bit of cash for Sally B, and some good PR for Corgi :)

602sqn

25th January 2009, 22:55

I'd like a 'Liberty Belle' in 1/72nd. Would have thought it may prove popular, after last summer's visit to the UK.

planejunky

25th January 2009, 23:45

But why would this have to be done as a commission? Corgi could produce it in conjunction with the owners, perhaps with a donation to Sally B in with the bargain. It'd be a good seller, generate a bit of cash for Sally B, and some good PR for Corgi :)

They don't work that way I'm afraid, as I said they keep anything with their logo in house as they have total control. The wooden model brigade have tried the "we'll donate a percentage" tact and were turned down flat.

Unless they could guarantee total control over sales, they wouldn't interested. While I can see your point, I also know Elly and respect her decision on this. ;)

planejunky

25th January 2009, 23:48

I'd like a 'Liberty Belle' in 1/72nd. Would have thought it may prove popular, after last summer's visit to the UK.

I agree it would be nice, but again you'd run into issues over the name usage. "Nine O Nine" was a real aircraft, and a famous one at that, so Corgi didn't have to worry about trademarks etc.

Hornchurch

25th January 2009, 23:50

Thunderbird for me as well.Got the decals with the intention of re-painting 2nd Patches,then found out Thunderbird had the earlier Cheyenne tail gunners position:( Be good if Corgi could do a faded Olive Drab,as Thunderbird was a veteran.

http://www.303rdbg.com/art-styling-thunderbird2.jpg

prune, those decals you've got......

does it equate to a scaled-down version of the Superscale decal sheet.....

No. 48-524 ?

(only in 1/72nd, of course !, so it'll presumably be 72- something !)

That's got a couple of 303rd B.G. '17's - plus another option with the same kinda "nose-artwork" as...(& also called...) "Thunderbird"

Just wondering

Craig

26th January 2009, 01:16

They don't work that way I'm afraid, as I said they keep anything with their logo in house as they have total control. The wooden model brigade have tried the "we'll donate a percentage" tact and were turned down flat.

Unless they could guarantee total control over sales, they wouldn't interested. While I can see your point, I also know Elly and respect her decision on this. ;)

That's interesting, fair enough. I'm not sure I agree with that line, but that's pretty irrelevant, if that is how it is you're right it's a non-starter. :( Just Jane Lanc instead then... ;) :D

C17Driver

26th January 2009, 01:42

DannyBoy76

26th January 2009, 02:23

Piccadilly Lily, 100th BG, 351st BS.

Please. (http://www.100thbg.com/spotlight/styling/pages/piclily.htm)

Hornchurch

26th January 2009, 02:44

Make the following and I will buy.

1. Any 390th Bomb Group bird. Liberty Belle would be OK but there are many others. My uncle was a tail gunner there.

2. Little Miss Mischief, 91st BG. Great story behind this aircraft. See attachment.

3. All American Girl, 100th BG. A friends brother was KIA on this aircraft.

So, Any as impressive as "Memphis Belle" or "Bit O'Lace" and "Sentimental Journey" or even "9 o' 9" using existing tooling?

;) :)`

Excellent choices C.17

Those decals for "Little Miss Mischeif" were originally produced by Microscale/Superscale in 1/48th scale - to accompany the 1/48th Monogram kit

"Little Miss Mischeif" is also featured on the front-cover of the "Squadron-Signal" publication (No.12) on B.17's & best of all........ there's a section inside (pages 33-34-35) which includes dramatic pictures of her (apparent ?) final-crashlanding, EVEN AS a "Half & Half" ship !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a GREAT call C.17, asking for "Little Miss Mischief" (tho' a headache for Corgi !)

My personal 'nomination' ties in nicely with CFBC's 'quote' (question) above...

B.17-G, known as.....Ol' Gappy....42-40003

She was coded "WA*H"

...............& flew with the 379th B.G. (Triangle 'K'), from Kimbolton (near Alconbury)

...............why does she fit in with those CFBC quoted ????????

Because she's (easily) THE "top-scoring" B.17 in the 8th Air-Force

She flew a staggering 157 missions !

That factor alone makes her a (more than) 'worthy' choice of B.17 to be made

It's actually quite baffling - how ALL the Major 'Model' companies (both Die-cast AND Plastic) have managed to overlook this particular a/c

More missions than "Friday 13th"

More than 'S'-Sugar, or "Mike squared" (ED.888, 140 missions)

No other English-based Four-engined Bomber comes close...(157 missions)

Even the aftermarket-decal folks are 'snoozing'

Plz wake-up, SOMEONE out there in 'Model-Land' :D

planejunky

26th January 2009, 11:50

Just please no more 91st BG! We've now had two, and there was a hellava lot of other groups in the 8th AF that could also be modelled. The 100th BG has to be a prime contender, though in these times I think Corgi will be playing it pretty safe rather than releasing aircraft of this size.

prune

26th January 2009, 20:01

prune, those decals you've got......

does it equate to a scaled-down version of the Superscale decal sheet.....

No. 48-524 ?

(only in 1/72nd, of course !, so it'll presumably be 72- something !)

That's got a couple of 303rd B.G. '17's - plus another option with the same kinda "nose-artwork" as...(& also called...) "Thunderbird"

Just wondering
It's Superscale sheet 72-870,besides Thunderbird it has decals for one other,a B-17F named Thumper.

Hornchurch

27th January 2009, 00:30

It's Superscale sheet 72-870,

besides Thunderbird it has decals for one other,a B-17F named Thumper.

`

Sounds like a duplicate sheet (options-wise), but in different scale.....

(48-524 & 72-870)

Mine ALSO has 'Thumper' (coded PU*F) - another 303rd B.G. B.17-F

'Yardbird' is the 'third' alternate option (coded PU*A)

Actually, if you look closely enough, you'll find THAT particular 'Thunderbird'

IS NOT a 303rd B.G. machine, at all (despite the similarity !)

It's a 91st B.G. a/c, coded 'LG*T' (with the nose-art appearing the same or similar in style to the 303rd B.G. a/c that Agent posted.....

I bought the sheet, as I managed to pick up a few cheap 1/48th B.17-F's from a dealer in Wales (back in '99) @ the Model-Engineer's expo, in London

There are several pix of the above a/c , in books, tho' I've NOT seen 'em on the internet.

blue steel

27th January 2009, 01:26

Along with Sally B and the RAF camo (as released in 1/144) I'd like to see an example from the 381st or 398th Bomb Group (or whatever), in silver with red trim and white on black letter code.......as in a proposed :unsure: 'Warbird' release. This a scheme that I feel is synonymous with UK based B17's and I think yet to be offered in 1/72

smartd

27th January 2009, 02:29

Here are some flying examples from a while back:

CFBC

4th March 2009, 21:45

Anyone want another B17? ;) :)

planejunky

4th March 2009, 21:58

Depends on what it is. :)

Cardinal

4th March 2009, 22:06

Anyone want another B17? ;) :)

Depends on what it is. :)

Sally B!

sniperUK

4th March 2009, 22:08

Depends on what it is. :)

94th bomb group,Bury St Edmunds?.......................................... .I wish:rolleyes:

charley

4th March 2009, 22:10

Sally B!

I seem to recall the Sally B bridge being well and truely burnt a few years back! :rolleyes:

I'm with PJ! Bring on a 'Bl00dy Hundreth' machine. :cool

I only have 1 B17 which is the Flightline '909' would love to see another 'Flightline Example'

There are plenty of 'Airworthy machines' to pick from too Pink Lady etc....

Garethster

5th March 2009, 05:09

Anyone want another B17? ;) :)

Know something we don't? ;) :LOL:

Martin Bull

5th March 2009, 07:47

A well-researched 100th BG machine ( maybe an 'F' like 'Rosie's Riveters' ) , done to the same standard as '9-0-9', would be an immediate 'buy' for me.....:cool:

11SQNLDR

5th March 2009, 08:02

I don't have room for another Fort but for the right scheme i'd squeeze one in.... always space in the kids treehut:LOL:

david cotton

5th March 2009, 08:08

A well-researched 100th BG machine ( maybe an 'F' like 'Rosie's Riveters' ) , done to the same standard as '9-0-9', would be an immediate 'buy' for me.....:cool:

I am of the same mind :) A 100BG machine would be a great subject......would be nice to have a bit of box art on it to.......6 March 1944, head on attack on the way to Berlin :)

dilligafocau

5th March 2009, 08:44

Watched that wartime b/w doco that had Memphis Belle as the star of the film but also showed the B17G 'Old Bill' make it home shot to pieces, always wanted a model of that one http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/images/icons/icon14.gif

CFBC

5th March 2009, 08:54

The BIG question is does anyone have any good reference material for these 17's... :confused: ;) :)

Angels one-five

5th March 2009, 09:19

The BIG question is does anyone have any good reference material for these 17's... :confused: ;) :)

The site here (http://www.100thbg.com/spotlight/styling/styling_main.htm) is a good start for the '$$$$$$ hundredth'

Ooooh - the rude word checker has removed the b-l-o-o-d-y from the post...!

sniperUK

5th March 2009, 09:28

http://www.war44.com/images/planes/2/1.jpg

B-17F-25-DL 42-3082 Double Trouble of the 333rd BS/94th BG, Bury St Edmunds (Rougham), October 1943 This Fortress certainly lived up to its name, pilot Lt Bill Winnesheik being forced to abort the mission to Bremen on 25 June 1943 after fighters knocked out two engines. He landed in England despite a full bomb load. On 4 October 1943, during a mission to St Dizier, in France, fighters again disabled the No 3 engine, and this time the propeller refused to feather. However, the crew managed to crash-land at Margate - the bomber was duly salvaged. Assistant engineer/waist gunner Vance Van Hooser, who was on his 23rd mission, was hit in the head by 20 mm shell fragments and never flew again.

The Defiant Man

5th March 2009, 09:41

Anyone want another B17? ;) :)

RAF camo one please......

sniperUK

5th March 2009, 09:47

http://www.elite.net/castle-air/boeing_b17g.html

http://www.nose-art.net/B-17g-na.jpg

C17Driver

5th March 2009, 11:45

Whichever B-17 they make, can they do two things please? Get the correct tail gun position and PUT SOME ****** WAIST GUNS IN THOSE OPENINGS!

planejunky

5th March 2009, 12:52

Martin Bull

5th March 2009, 15:29

The BIG question is does anyone have any good reference material for these 17's... :confused: ;) :)

There's quite a lot of good material around on the 8th AF's aircraft - they weren't as shy of taking photos as the RAF.

Ray Bowden's book 'Plane Names & Bl00dy Noses' is a good starting point for the 100th - great nose-art pics and stories-behind-the-aircraft :cool:

( He ! He ! I managed to get around the PC censorship.....:LOL: )

Hornchurch

6th March 2009, 10:02

Whichever B-17 they make, can they do two things please? Get the correct tail gun position and PUT SOME ****** WAIST GUNS IN THOSE OPENINGS!

Agreed, it just doesn't look right without the waist guns!

I'd be up for that 94th BG bird, local territory for me! :)`

Nah, Bleedin' 'ell

Sticky-out guns are for 10-year-old kids !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But I DO agree with Mr.Globemaster's comment's, re; the tail !

Fer Gawd's sake..... that Java 1942 looks plain STUPID with a 'Cheyenne'

WHY OH WHY OH WHY does THAT late-turret appear on Corgi 'E's & 'F's:rolleyes:

Loadsa decent 8th Air-Force birds to cover.

Bring on Kimbolton's 157-mission-bird, "Ol' Gappy", plzzz

Failing that, a Thorpe-Abbot's 100th B.G.

C17Driver

6th March 2009, 11:41

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Nah, Bleedin' 'ell

Sticky-out guns are for 10-year-old kids !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ahh, Mr H. I kinda like those "sticky-out" guns see how none of my Pooch B-17's have them.

Wolster

6th March 2009, 12:13

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Nah, Bleedin' 'ell

Sticky-out guns are for 10-year-old kids !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's called a flying FORTRESS, without guns its like a broken pencil!!

Merlin

6th March 2009, 12:35

Corgi did put guns in the waist windows, they're just inside in their stowed positions (at least in Memphis Belle)...It seems to me that, for the most part anyway, the waist guns were generally stowed inside until engagement with the enemy was imminent.....besides, those were always the first to get broken off my plastic model kits no matter how careful I was, as that would be the area that I was always grasping the model by.

Cardinal

6th March 2009, 21:34

Merlin

6th March 2009, 21:40

Merlin, o stripy one, do you have any idea how that post can be used against you ... ;) :D :LOL:

Cardo, how would I have guessed you to be the one to pick up on that?....:D

Merlin

6th March 2009, 21:55

Has anyone mentioned the first 8th AF B-17 to complete 25 missions?....and no, that isn't Memphis Belle either (she was the first B-17 to complete 25 missions with a film documentary crew aboard)...I'm talking about the 303 BG's B-17F Hell's Angels , which completed 48 missions without a single abort before returning to the U.S. ..This one always seems to get overlooked

Cardinal

6th March 2009, 22:08

Cardo, how would I have guessed you to be the one to pick up on that?....:D

It's a gift, I know ... :LOL:

Merlin

6th March 2009, 23:30

It's a gift, I know ... :LOL:

well now that you mention it, I've often heard people murmuring of you as being "gifted"......;) :)

Cardinal

6th March 2009, 23:31

well now that you mention it, I've often heard people murmuring of you as being "gifted"......;) :)

... now that is deeply concerning :eek: :wacko: :D :LOL:. Volatile, perhaps ... :unsure:

CFBC

6th March 2009, 23:31

I'm talking about the 303 BG's B-17F Hell's Angels , which completed 48 missions without a single abort before returning to the U.S. ..This one always seems to get overlooked

Any info Merlin or photographs? :)

kevjb64

6th March 2009, 23:58

17 , B17 crew members received the Medal of Honor so any of those would do but I particularly like Colonel ( then 1st Lt. ) William R.Lawley's story . :)

http://results.yahoo.com/

then go down to 8.1

kevjb64

7th March 2009, 00:06

Or we could have Wulf Hound 41-24585 , later flown as DL + XC and we know Mr. Wong has the right colours now . :)

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/439/2/0/3_b1

Merlin

7th March 2009, 00:19

Any info Merlin or photographs? :)
hope this is helpful....
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l205/skunkwrx/hellsangelsb17.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l205/skunkwrx/HU034119.jpg

A historical review of the exploits and accomplishments of the implied Bomber Group, 303rd Bombardment Groups (Heavy) (303rd) European Theater of Operations (ETO) show's that this bomber unit did not tolerate malcontents, drunken pilots or aircrews. Such individuals, had they existed, would have seriously hindered the effectiveness of combat operations and would have been dealt with harshly and promptly. Documented records of the 303rd can be found in "Might in Flight", Daily Diary of the Eighth Air Force's Hell's Angels, 303rd Bombardment Group (H), by Harry D. Gobrecht, LtCol, USAF (Ret). One of the 303rd's most famous B-17's serial number #41-24577, commanded by then Captain Irl Baldwin, was named "Hell's Angels". This aircraft was unnamed until it's fourth or fifth mission. The crew decided to adopt the name "Hell's Angels" after the 1927 "Hell's Angels" WWI fictional Fighter Squadron movie by Howard Hughes. On 13 May 1943 the 303rd's B-17F "Hell's Angels" became the first 8th Air Force B-17 to complete 25 combat missions. This feat has wrongly been credited to the"Memphis Belle" B-17 including the 1943 and 1990 "Memphis Belle" movies. The "Memphis Belle" B-17 was the first to complete 25 missions and return to the USA. "Hell's Angels" continued to fly combat missions until 13 December 1943, when she completed 48 combat missions it was retired from combat. Shortly thereafter she was flown to the USA, rejoined by members of the Capt Baldwin crew, went on a morale boosting tour of war production plants. "Hell's Angels" B-17F. serial number #41-24577 was dismantled, for scrap, in 1947. On 7 January 1944, by a vote of group and squadron commanders, "Hell's Angels" became the name of the 303rd with "Might in Flight" being retained as the Group motto.