The Three V's - Do we want a Valiant

[Typhoon-MKV]

So should Corgi (or anyone PLEASE...) Produce a Valiant......

[BSteinIPMS]

In 1/144, please.

Assuming it would be produced in three liveries (matt silver, white, and camouflage) I'd sign up for all three. :)

[Glenshiel]

Do we want a 1/144 Corgi Valiant?

Hell, yes!!!

[CFBC]

Corgi or Dragon - YEAH......!!!!!!!!!! Prefer Corgi.......... To go with the other two V's......

[Stumble]

In 1/144, please.

Assuming it would be produced in three liveries (matt silver, white, and camouflage) I'd sign up for all three. :)
What about the black one then?

[BSteinIPMS]

What about the black one then?

From the adjacent thread "A Valiant Post" I quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent X20
.. and a black one.... well it was black in the photos.....


Quote:
Originally Posted by BSteinIPMS
Right you are, Agent: it was glossy black overall. I don't think there's much chance of seeing this one, though, should Corgi ever produce a Valiant.

The black Valiant was a B Mk. 2, of which a grand total of one (1) was built, and it was significantly different from the others.

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.c...hitchwj954a.jpg

Extended fuselage, landing gear fairings extending aft of the wing trailing edge to house the rearward folding u/c, much like a Convair B-58, all conspire to require a new mold from Corgi's standard Valiant mold. That is, should there ever be one.

Let's see, that leaves silver, white, and camouflage green/grey. Still, that's one more color scheme than the numerous Corgi Vulcans.......

I'd buy all three.

[maple 01]

Blasphemer! ;) - Vulcans come in many schemes - cammo wrap-round, cammo and medium grey, cammo and light grey, gloss cammo, faded cammo, matt cammo - what more could you want? :p

-Nick

[monty]

1,000,000 times

YES PLEASE

[scrounger]

bring it on.

i'd buy every version

lets hope corgi are listening.......are you there Corgi??????

[BSteinIPMS]

I see the link to the Valiant site I posted above is inoperable due to it being truncated. Here goes again:

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/valiant/pictures.html

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/valiant/full/hitchwj954a.jpg

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/valiant/full/hitchwj954b.jpg

And Stumble, I'd love to buy a black one should Corgi ever produce it.

Nick, you're absolutely right; Vulcans DO come in a wide variety of color schemes......how could I ever have become so confused? :confused:
For penance I'll have to drink between six to eight Mooseheads.....eh? :D

[Albert Ross]

Oh no, not again!!! :o :o :o

[spock1]

:cool: Albert,

May we rightfully assume yours is the 1st NO vote then ??? If so then shame on you because believe me the demand is there!! :)

[CFBC]

That is a shame, if thats the case...... Becasue, I believe like Spock1 and many others (well - not so many at present) that we would love to see a Valiant to go with the Victor and Vulcan, but what is Uncle Albert telling us then?

No demand or no inverstment in new tooling? Or, does he personally/simply not like the Valiant, hence not going to recommend it? Come on Albert........

[Albert Ross]

:cool: Albert,

May we rightfully assume yours is the 1st NO vote then ??? If so then shame on you because believe me the demand is there!! :)

Did I say I didn't want you? No, I would love to have one just like all of you, but we have debated this subject until it's exhausted on the old Forum and I'm fed up with telling Corgi!!!!

[CFBC]

Did I say I didn't want you? No, I would love to have one just like all of you, but we have debated this subject until it's exhausted on the old Forum and I'm fed up with telling Corgi!!!!Can we tell Corgi please......? We would do it nicely......

In fact we would welcome any manufacturer, if it Corgi, Armour, Dragon or others to come online and join us.... The door is always open......

[scrounger]

i would just like to welcome Albert back to us.

WELCOME ALBERT WE MISSED YOU!!!!

[Typhoon-MKV]

Ok just get this back up - votes for the valiant folks

[ascot]

For what good it will do....YES YES YES

[goonybird]

Another Valiant (sic) effort. why,oh,why,oh,why cannot corgi get their act together on this one (and the VC10!!). Although in Albert's defence, 19 votes doesn't add up to many sales? :confused: Is V too far down the alphabet? or is it those nice people on the other side of the pond think Valiant is some kind of libido inducing drug? :p

[Kiwi Dave]

Valiant - a car which was produed by Chrysler!

[Agent X20]

.. or a 60's comic...

Captain Hurricane et al.....!!!

Whilst we are on the Valiant theme.. a Short Sperrin would be nice. :D :D :D .. in fact a series of 50's RAF numbers be good... get that chromed finish to perfection !!!!!

[goonybird]

.... in fact a series of 50's RAF numbers be good... get that chromed finish to perfection !!!!!

What like XA903, XD858, XA930, WV734,... plenty more where thay came from.

Spot the Valiant! ;)

[Agent X20]

Methinks extraction of the urine...

naw....Attacker, Swift, Javelin, even an FD2..... that sort of thing, bit esoteric so no doubt one for the specialists...!!!

Suppose there will be a silver Canberra... :D

[goonybird]

XD858 was a Valiant. Do agree about a Javelin though, and hopefully the Canberra may mature into some decent models - unlike the first two.
Who's for starting a Javelin campaign. And remember, don't eat the yellow snow.

[davidwford]

Count me in with the yes vote. I've got two thirds of the V force on display in my model cabinet, would be a shame never to complete the set!

[Agent X20]

Think most have the 66.66% there David...!!

[goonybird]

Warned you guys it was coming. 1 of a limited edition of 1. Should be worth £Gazzilions£ in a few months!

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/parfittfamily/PINKY.jpg

[Agent X20]

Ace..!!!! ...

[spock1]

:p Mr. GB - Surely you mean Pink 6 or am I going colour blind ?? Looks like the pilot may be the (grand)mother of one of the Angels off Captain Scarlet!! :rolleyes:

[goonybird]

As it is in pseudo ruski the black 6 refers to the number color. Anyway its one less ltd. edition of 3300 that can't be shifted! :) Only thing is the bloke who beat me to it elsewhere in a thread with a black york. Anyway back to my Braniff 707 - Now what color shall I do that???

[G-force]

YES!

I never saw the point in them bringing out a V-Force without it.

[jaypit1611]

Was`Suprised no one at Corgi has come up with the Valiant, they can produce quite a few version/Squadrons markings to keep going for a while

[Agent X20]

They should do one, then they can re-release the re-released V Bomber set... send yer Certs in and get a further three white uns..!!

[Rob Kocur]

Greeteings & Salutations everyone , I'm the new kid on the block.

Well I do hope Corgi take note of our input and make the Valiant , either scale , or both would be better .

It would be another beautiful model to further enhance the collection.

I personally would buy in the region of three variants at least in 1/144 scale.

I hope that when designing the casts , if made , that they are a good close fit.
I.e. on the 1/144 vulcans , just ahead of the engine air intakes , the casts don't quite match up togeter , resulting in gaps inbetween the upper and lower casts of the forward fuselage section.

Talking on the issue of casts , I do hope that when desinging the moulds , if at all possible , that the nose section could be made of a single casting. There is nothing worse than having a split cast line down the middle , which is more pronounced on the lighter colour schemes.

A 1/72 scale version would be awsome. I would find room for it if one was made.

[Agent X20]

Welcome to the forum Rob..

Agree with your points on the castings which is why the likes of the 707's are one of me favourites and perhaps its me but some of the Mosquito FB noses look a bit slap dash.. hope the commissionaires make a note to see that anything forthcoming is nice and tight..!!

But as to a Valiant.... theres gotta be an aftermarket producer who can assist here..!!..??

I would find that the room would be automatically be created as I would need to sell the kid for medical experiments to fund a '72nd one..!!

[CFBC]

Welcome to the forum as Agentx say's Rob..... Excellent points and go hunt down some more threads to post in........ :)

[Rob Kocur]

Greetings Agent X20 :)

I agree with You on the 1/72 mosquito X20 , a fine model as it is , this is a perfect example of where casting join lines can spoil the appearance of a model, made even more apparent with the so aparent rather slapped on looking nose cone ( as regards the fighter versions ).

So come on Corgi,, please put back on your thinking caps when designing moulds in order that casting join lines are better disguised and a closer fit.

Perhaps a suitable construction to the nose section for a 1/144 valiant would be as per the 1/144 B707's forward fuselage ( which I also love , have 5 of them ) , where the casting join lines are under the fuselage ....ish.

or maybe the front nose section of the 1/144 valiant should be a single piece section with fuselage spine :) , with the main wings being a separate one piece casting fitted from the underneath.....don't know ....that's one for Corgi to figure out......I would gladdly assist them :) ......

[goonybird]

Talking of joint lines on Corgi models, I actually dismantled the Harrier and painted the separate sections. The top section and bottom come apart, the tail section holds them together with a screw in the rear well, screw under the front plug, and the cockpit section slides vertically into a slot in the front fan behind the air intake. I assume this means corgi can change the cockpit for the GR3 version. What surprised me was how thin the fuselage casting is.
Also , and I know this is 144th thread, why could't corgi have done similar with the Canberra, as other threads imply no PR9 possible? :rolleyes:

[Agent X20]

Yep Mr Koncur.. I do hope Mr Heritage is reading the thread and will accept nothing short of perfection for the forthcoming... cos with no guns, light grey and green it could look a bit 'off'...

In fact the BAe Mossie.. was that a straight forward fighter nose.. or was it a one off special... I think the latter.....

[spock1]

:cool: I can only hope they do accept nothing short of perfection as otherwise it will be pulled to pieces in front of a World Wide audience with our dear Agent X20 conducting the orchestra in true Mantovani style. ;)
To be totally serious the model has to be right as any errors or cock ups will not only fall back on the manufacturer but ultimately the commissioner. I wish them the best of luck as too many more errors like those we have seen will ultimately be another nail in the coffin for the range!! :cool:

[CFBC]

:cool: I can only hope they do accept nothing short of perfection as otherwise it will be pulled to pieces in front of a World Wide audience with our dear Agent X20 conducting the orchestra in true Mantovani style. ;)
To be totally serious the model has to be right as any errors or cock ups will not only fall back on the manufacturer but ultimately the commissioner. I wish them the best of luck as too many more errors like those we have seen will ultimately be another nail in the coffin for the range!! :cool:

Totally agree with your comments Spock1, who ever produces it, and it SHOULD be Corgi, they best get it right.....!!! However, get it worng and oh my....... (Look at the BBMF Dak)...... Great shame colourwise...... :(

[Albert Ross]

The big problem with a Valiant model is selling a model to 'joe public' that probably never heard of it, have never seen one unless they have been to the RAF Museum and cannot relate to a short-lived bomber that was retired from service 40 years ago. You and I (the enthusiast) would love to have one to complete the V-bomber setm, but that doesn't make up the bulk sales that are going to cover the £25,000 tooling costs required for this plus make a profit!

[Agent X20]

CFBC.. Were you thinking Valiant....??.......I was talking about the forthcoming Mosquito.. albeit on the Valiant thread.... in reply to Mr Koncors thread about mould/join lines...

"You see Mr Hutchinson.. I was looking at you but talking to him...." (and I aint had a drink yet..)

Alberts mould is now half price .. they were £50K on the last forum....!!

[CFBC]

Mr Agent.... Moulds must be BOGOF's, we may get the Thyphoon too....... Two for one..... Kewl....

Ok, Look at me, speak to him.... No worries..... :)

[goonybird]

The big problem with a Valiant model is selling a model to 'joe public' that probably never heard of it, have never seen one unless they have been to the RAF Museum and cannot relate to a short-lived bomber that was retired from service 40 years ago. You and I (the enthusiast) would love to have one to complete the V-bomber setm, but that doesn't make up the bulk sales that are going to cover the £25,000 tooling costs required for this plus make a profit!

Err, doesn't that statement sound a bit like the York? How many joe publics' or more importantly people other side of the pond know what one of these is.
mmm... york in anti-flash white with a blue steel-except it won't sit properly on it's wheels!!

[Agent X20]

Bum.. that was our next project.. York with Blue Steel and Skybolt missiles...

Air defence/superiority version....

[BSteinIPMS]

The big problem with a Valiant model is selling a model to 'joe public' that probably never heard of it, have never seen one unless they have been to the RAF Museum and cannot relate to a short-lived bomber that was retired from service 40 years ago. You and I (the enthusiast) would love to have one to complete the V-bomber setm, but that doesn't make up the bulk sales that are going to cover the £25,000 tooling costs required for this plus make a profit!

True, true, most sales will go to those who know what the aircraft is in the first place, I agree. But I wonder how many in the U.S. bought the Britannia or the York, or even the Victor and Vulcan for that matter, not knowing much about the aircraft but just simply liking its looks?

I did!

[Agent X20]

Thats true... Lofty.. wheres Bob's order for the Pink York....??..!!

[charley]

Not one to give up i think its safe to say that Corgi Valiant won't happen so long as you have a hole..... ow ....... never mind...

Me im off to spend £120.00 on a resin one! :eek:

[BSteinIPMS]

Thats true... Lofty.. wheres Bob's order for the Pink York....??..!!

Here's my favorite, even if it's not pink.....

http://www.kotfsc.com/thunderbolt/york.htm

[Agent X20]

That a Stirling in the background..?

[BSteinIPMS]

You have a discerning eye, Agent, a Stirling it is. The twin tail wheels are a positive identification feature, along with the stalky undercart incorporating a fender.

I suppose I'd be whistling in the wind if I asked Corgi for a series of 1/144 Stirlings..... :rolleyes:

http://www.stirling.box.nl/home.htm

[Agent X20]

More the fact it was single fin and rudder... with a roundel.. square fuselage profile.. I didnt even see the twin tailwheels which would have course given it away...

Whistling in the wind.. you would have more sucess pi..... into wind...!! Mores the pity.. be a good subject...

[goonybird]

Not one to give up i think its safe to say that Corgi Valiant won't happen so long as you have a hole..... ow ....... never mind...

Me im off to spend £120.00 on a resin one! :eek:

Just found this (providing the moderators allow a link)

http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/index.php?page=shopping&shop_cat_id=3

Start saving now. :rolleyes:

note to the controllers:I have absolutely no connection with this site. (wish I did though!)

[spock1]

:) Mr. GB,

Thank you for the link, this has to be one of the best to date in the life of this Forum and its predecessor. Judging by the picture the model is worth every penny and further reiterates how big an opportunity Corgi seem intent on letting go begging!!! ........ :eek:

[goonybird]

Thanks Spock1, hope you weren't offended by the link.
As well as the other tasty stuff (that merlin engine looks good). The silver Valiant text states 'first bombs dropped in anger in the Suez crisis'!! Methinks Corgi have missed a big chance here-should have been released this half year with the Canberra.

[spock1]

:) Mr. GB,

Not in the least offended as it is a manufacturers link. As to Corgi and the Valiant me fully agrees with you. A full presentation V set has the potential to be absolute awesome!! ;)

[Agent X20]

Nearly as awesome as the last c********* up...

Thanks for that link.. its now in me favourites..... take change from pockets each day and place in moneybox.... only need £150..!!

[CFBC]

Mr G/B - Very interesting site indeed and the two Valiants I am sorely tempted....... Wonder if they give discount for bulk orders of two or more?

Anyone else want one? :)

Anybody seen them or know anyone who has procured one from them? Diecast or wood?

Great link G/B

[charley]

Valiant ordered! :o

Hendon anti flash white example!

Very tempted by that Sea Fury too.... :eek:

[scrounger]

very envious Charley.
if i ordered one of those, the senior management would be seriously peed off!!!

[scramble]

Yes must have - even in Suez crises colours!!

[CFBC]

Hmmm. What can I sell now to afford one of those....? Or two......

I think if Mrs CFBC saw if I ordered one of those, then she may just kill me!!!!
(worth a go though)..... Could be all my xmas pressies in one? Hmmmmmmm

[tricatus]

Brilliant, I'm buying a Valiant, and a 1/32 merlin, and a 1/24 seagull :) . I'll put them on the website when they arrive.

[charley]

Tricatus,

Just had a good look on your web site... it's fantastic! Im almost tempted by that D-Day Hurricane! I can't believe Corgi don't support it :confused:

The only thing their website tempts me to do is find another hobby :(

I know its been said before but well done... :)

[CFBC]

Wonder if Tri has a future running his and Corgi's website? My oh my how it would give em a boost they need..... What about it Tri?

As for the Valiant..... Starting to save-up!!!

[Albert Ross]

Err, doesn't that statement sound a bit like the York? How many joe publics' or more importantly people other side of the pond know what one of these is.
mmm... york in anti-flash white with a blue steel-except it won't sit properly on it's wheels!!

Not at all, we only had to make a new fuselage for the Lancaster!!

[DCRanger]

Pardon my ignorance but how many do Corgi reckon to sell on average of any new casting first issue and how many of these these are profitable before a limited edition appears?

[Agent X20]

I wonder if Corgi know the answer to this one....?? (judging some of their current releases I would not have thought so..)

Would have thought it is a bit like a piece of string... If yer first casting was a Red Arrows Hawk then thousands.. but after two or three you would lose interest....

Something like a 737, okay your first issue won't sell thousands, but you would be good for 100's of liveries...

If they were to produce something like a Jaguar.. wonder why they bother at all...
:D

[tricatus]

Wonder if Tri has a future running his and Corgi's website? My oh my how it would give em a boost they need..... What about it Tri?

As for the Valiant..... Starting to save-up!!!

Now that's a job I would kill for...... :) .......as to the Valiant: watch tomorrow's update :D

[CFBC]

Now that's a job I would kill for...... :) .......as to the Valiant: watch tomorrow's update :D Push it Tri.... The Corgi website is not teh best at present and with yours in operation, well...... Ure photies are better and with working operation photies too...... Worth asking and talking to em......

Uve got that Valiant ain't yer!! Tinker... ;)

[BSteinIPMS]

Now that's a job I would kill for....
Believe me, Tri, nobody deserves it more than you! :D

[CFBC]

A Valiant..... I woudl love a Valiant, BUT do you think we will get one from Corgi?

No.. Why? Becasue I think the guy who works alongside Corgi and helps manufacture in some way already produces his own Valiant and as such I feel that Corgi would not want to tread on anyones toes here.... Now, I would like to be corrected here if I am wrong, but thats the feeling I get..... :)

[CFBC]

Time to raise this thread again me thinks!!

Either Corgi or Dragon please.... :D

[G-force]

Time to raise this thread again me thinks!!

Either Corgi or Dragon please.... :D

Good on you CFBC, about time too.
I honestly hope it's Corgi but if the guys & dolls at Dragon are watching, you never know.

[CFBC]

If you have not voted members then please do so

:)

[Vbombers3]

I'd prefer a 1/144 Valiant from Corgi, should they ever get off their ar** and do one. Rather have a Corgi one than Dragon so it would better match the Corgi Vulcan and Victor. Be a shame for Dragon to steal Corgi's thunder, not that Corgi has much left.

What true Englishman's blood wouldn't be stirred by the painting of the Valiant?

Moreover, can we have a matt aluminium Vulcan, please? Only livery Corgi has not done yet.

[CFBC]

Nice pictures VB3,

I agree that an aluminium Vulcan would be nice.... :cool:

Oh and a Valiant... :D

[avro730]

The "guy" is called Ted and from what I’ve seen produces brilliant models. He has made many "masters" for corgi not only aircraft but vehicles as well. I am sure from my brief contact with corgi if they wanted to make a Valiant the fact that Ted produces one in resin at £150 a copy wouldn’t stop them. My recent posting on the 1 Sqn thread could be repeated here, I asked a rep from corgi on a recent road show how about a Valiant, the response was " not enough schemes for that", so they produce a Nimrod!!!, Great that we have a Nimrod but surely the mileage from a Valiant must be greater, plus the three "V's" in a boxed set. Really even from a business point of view the Valiant is a must do for Corgi. I will try and find the link to Ted's web site and post later.

A Valiant..... I woudl love a Valiant, BUT do you think we will get one from Corgi?

No.. Why? Becasue I think the guy who works alongside Corgi and helps manufacture in some way already produces his own Valiant and as such I feel that Corgi would not want to tread on anyones toes here.... Now, I would like to be corrected here if I am wrong, but thats the feeling I get..... :)

[Vbombers3]

These wot yer lookin' fer?

http://www.tricatus.co.uk/gtvv01.htm

http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/index.php?page=shopping&shop_cat_id=13

http://www.georgeturnermodels.com/index.php?page=shopping&shop_cat_id=21

Corgi could do this one in three liveries. Black one with modified moulds. Sell individually or as boxed set of three V-bombers. They won't, tho. Why? Too bl***y minded! Can't stand a profit. :mad:

[Agent X20]

Too late.. but I suppose we couild end up with another white set..!!

Aluminum Vulcan could be lovely... it could also look like sh one t.... ( if all they do is spray it in No11..)

[G-force]

I fear that silver Vulcan was a B1, and pre-kinked leading edges.

[Agent X20]

Naw.. it has the edges kinked.. :D

[G-force]

But is it a B1?

[Agent X20]

Yep.... Avro Vulcan B1 XA892..?

[G-force]

Borrocks!

[CFBC]

Hmm. Any use? :rolleyes:

[Agent X20]

Got it ... Avro Vulcan B1 XA897 :p :p :D

'Tasman Flight' Avro Vulcan B1 XA897 at RNZAF Ohakea in September 1967. 897 crashed at London Airport on its return.

Copyright © unknown. Gregg Shaw Collection

[G-force]

ANOTHER missed chance for Corgi. Word is that the Valiant at Hendon, the last remaining example is to be moved to Cosford for a proper "V-Force" display, along with the other cold war jets.
Now, what if they were to do those three particular aircraft together in a box set, or is that too much to hope for? Oh well.

[Vbombers3]

Matt aluminium Vulcans. And wot's this then? :eek: :D

[G-force]

Please tell me you don't think that last one is a Vulcan.....quick.

[BSteinIPMS]

Please tell me you don't think that last one is a Vulcan.....quick.

A what? :D

[Vbombers3]

Please tell me you don't think that last one is a Vulcan.....quick.
Oh, fer.......... :rolleyes: Give a bloke some credit, hey? Naw, just reminding Corgi wot a Valiant looks like. :D

[G-force]

Phew! :rolleyes:

[spock1]

just reminding Corgi wot a Valiant looks like. :D

:D To be on the safe side best show them the whole thing......... ;) :D

[G-force]

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/valiant/full/hitchwp221.jpg

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/valiant/full/hitchwp201a.jpg

http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/valiant/full/hitchxd823.jpg

[G-force]

Did I mention they're moving the Valiant? ;)

[CFBC]

ANOTHER missed chance for Corgi. Word is that the Valiant at Hendon, the last remaining example is to be moved to Cosford for a proper "V-Force" display, along with the other cold war jets.
Now, what if they were to do those three particular aircraft together in a box set, or is that too much to hope for? Oh well.

Wow - That would be a great opener for a Valiant!!! To include it in a three box set c/w Vulcan and Victor... Get Cosford to underwrite it, bit of infor, pictures and wow!! What a set. :cool:

[avro730]

Thank you V Bombers3, where did I get "Ted" from, must leave the elderberry alone for a while... Have to say Mr Turners model looks very much like i'd imagine a corgi would look, Can I justify £150 !!!!. Mmmmm

[CFBC]

So? Anybody heared anything about a Valiant next year then? :confused: :D

[Agent X20]

:D To include it in a three box set c/w Vulcan and Victor... :That would be milking it... specially if they have to redo em all again... :D

[G-force]

About time this old chestnut was resurrected. Come Corgi, get your fingers out!!

[Vbombers3]

About time this old chestnut was resurrected. Come Corgi, get your fingers out!!

Here is wot one looks like then Corgi, in case you have forgotten. :rolleyes:

[ForkTailedDevil]

Yep, and don't forget this either. Can remember where i found this online. Anybody recognise it? (EDIT-found it Welsh Models make this kit. Thought people would find the clarity of the pic and the camoflage scheme interesting)

[goonybird]

bear in mind only 121 forum members have voted, and only 91 for a valiant.
How is that going to convince corgi to produce a new casting.
Limited to 100? don't think that'll happen somehow. :(

[Beaufighter]

Give it time Mr GB - but I suppose they are better suited to the UK market - I personally would like a few more V planes - Vixen, Vampire, Venom, Varsity, Valetta, Vanguard, VC10 etc. :) oops but in 1/72 :)

[Agent X20]

Viking..?

[The Defiant Man]

COME ON GOONYBIRD,
WHY SHOULDNT CORGI PRODUCE THE VALIANT,I WOULD DEFO BUY IT FOR MY COLLECTION AND WHO IS TO SAY THAT IT WOULD ONLY BE LIMITED TO 100 IM CONFUSED DO YOU KNOW SOMETHING THE REST OF US DONT KNOW...... :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
What Mr G was saying was that only 100 could be bothered to vote for one out of 500+ forum members....therefore if Corgi are looking at this they won't be particularly bowled over with the demand.....

....and please stop "shouting"......

[Vbombers3]

Yep, and don't forget this either. Can remember where i found this online. Anybody recognise it? (EDIT-found it Welsh Models make this kit. Thought people would find the clarity of the pic and the camoflage scheme interesting)
Nice piccy forktaileddevil. Here be a real one. Come on Corgi get yer finger out!

[goonybird]

What Mr G was saying was that only 100 could be bothered to vote for one out of 500+ forum members....therefore if Corgi are looking at this they won't be particularly bowled over with the demand.....

....and please stop "shouting"......

Thanks 'TDF' for clearing that misunderstanding.
I have been for a Valiant since the Victor/Vulcans were released. Have them all (in case anyone thinks I am only civils)
Two 1/144th models that would make me happy are the Valiant and the VC10. :)
But as the market shifts ever forward to larger scales (1/72nd etc) I cannot see it happening. Apart from the rehashed "Comrod" (or should that be Nimmet?) The hound as all but departed 1/144th.
Geez! they cant even get that model correct :(

[The Defiant Man]

Thanks 'TDF' for clearing that misunderstanding.
(
No probs...... :)

Although the original post seems to have disappeared....... :confused:

[Agent X20]

Not the only one...!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Agent X20]

THE VILIANT,,YOUR TELLING ME SPICELets try this again.....Spelling, grammar and a Caps Lock key could be beneficial... :D

Sorry.. its not an airliner, so really ... who cares anymore.. If you want a Valiant pay £150 for a Turner one... its the same with VC-10's.. just cost me $160 for an RAF one.....

[scaleplanes]

Lets try this again.....Spelling, grammar and a Caps Lock key could be beneficial... :D

Sorry.. its not an airliner, so really ... who cares anymore.. If you want a Valiant pay £150 for a Turner one... its the same with VC-10's.. just cost me $160 for an RAF one.....

I've heard that the guy who makes the patterns for Corgi is doing a Valiant in1/144 as a private venture.....hope it's not the same guy who did the Nimrod!!

[CFBC]

He already has Scaleplanes... See here (http://www.tricatus.co.uk/gthome.htm)

The problem is that it costs well over 100 quid.... How much do you want one? :rolleyes:

What I can say (I think) and I hope I am not going to get into trouble for this by Mr Corgi is that the third "V" came as ever to the new toolings this time around... (during a conversation we had with Mr Corgi). They had to drop two new tools and as such that was one of them, but before you all go off and shout at Mr Corgi, please keep in mind that they already have a number of new tools coming out and cannot please everyone.

Just keep posting away and hopefully soon we may see that third V bomber :cool: .

[scaleplanes]

He already has Scaleplanes... See here (http://www.tricatus.co.uk/gthome.htm)

The problem is that it costs well over 100 quid.... How much do you want one? :rolleyes:

What I can say (I think) and I hope I am not going to get into trouble for this by Mr Corgi is that the third "V" came as ever to the new toolings this time around... (during a conversation we had with Mr Corgi). They had to drop two new tools and as such that was one of them, but before you all go off and shout at Mr Corgi, please keep in mind that they already have a number of new tools coming out and cannot please everyone.

Just keep posting away and hopefully soon we may see that third V bomber :cool: .

Thanks for the link...very nice. Can't believe this guy is resposible for the Nimrod, if he is....shame on you Mr T :confused:

[shuttle]

A bit harsh on Mr T (Richard Colvert )as I think he wasn't working with a blank canvas? He had to convert the Comet and I bet Corgi constrained him on cranking up the cost (IMHO). Speaking for myself, I think he is a diecast 'God' for some of the great Corgi models he has produced!!! He used to post on the forum but is MIA. If he has to knock out 7 new tools for next year I would imagine he has had to cancel his holidays for next year!!! Richard, please post again!

I had a good look at the Nimrod today in ModelZone. Even now knowing all the faults described by Scaleplanes, I still think it looks nice. I will get one if it appears cheaper after a few months to keep my RAF AWAC's company. As I have already said, who else is going to produce a ready built version for under 50 notes? Dragon, Witty or FOV!!!

:D Shuttle

[scaleplanes]

A bit harsh on Mr T (Richard Colvert )as I think he wasn't working with a blank canvas? He had to convert the Comet and I bet Corgi constrained him on cranking up the cost (IMHO). Speaking for myself, I think he is a diecast 'God' for some of the great Corgi models he has produced!!! He used to post on the forum but is MIA. If he has to knock out 7 new tools for next year I would imagine he has had to cancel his holidays for next year!!! Richard, please post again!

I had a good look at the Nimrod today in ModelZone. Even now knowing all the faults described by Scaleplanes, I still think it looks nice. I will get one if it appears cheaper after a few months to keep my RAF AWAC's company. As I have already said, who else is going to produce a ready built version for under 50 notes? Dragon, Witty or FOV!!!

:D Shuttle

I wouldn't call him a patern god, The Harrier and Tornado are re-works of Hasegawa kits and the Canberra looks like the old Airfix kit-even has the same armchair ejector seat..... Going to have a close look at the rest of the models in the corgi range.

[Agent X20]

I often thought that that must be the starting place for some of these models cos if it were chiselling away from a 4 by 2 block of wood or whatever, the molds for a 1/72 jobbie would be frightfully expensive compared to the cigar tube that most of the airliners are.. especially with any ancillary dangly bits... :(

[Albert Ross]

I've heard that the guy who makes the patterns for Corgi is doing a Valiant in1/144 as a private venture.....hope it's not the same guy who did the Nimrod!!

It IS the same guy and he made the Valiant a couple of years ago, which is excellent. :D

[Albert Ross]

He already has Scaleplanes... See here (http://www.tricatus.co.uk/gthome.htm)

The problem is that it costs well over 100 quid.... How much do you want one? :rolleyes:

What I can say (I think) and I hope I am not going to get into trouble for this by Mr Corgi is that the third "V" came as ever to the new toolings this time around... (during a conversation we had with Mr Corgi). They had to drop two new tools and as such that was one of them, but before you all go off and shout at Mr Corgi, please keep in mind that they already have a number of new tools coming out and cannot please everyone.

Just keep posting away and hopefully soon we may see that third V bomber :cool: .

Absolutely right and I think I posted something similar some time ago, but it still didn't stem the tide! The Valiant just didn't quite get the 'X-factor' vote at the cutting edge, when deciding on new toolings, but that doesn't mean it won't be included in talks when the next round of new toolings are discussed!

[TankBuster]

Would love to see Corgi make a Valiant, XD818 in camouflage scheme please!

Probably more chance of seeing this than a Phantom FGR.2!!

TankBuster

[goonybird]

So the answer will be no Valiant as Airfix didn't make one :D
Airfix did do a VC10 ;) .......................................

[CFBC]

G/B... Who did make a Valiant "kit" then? Perhaps we could all chip-in, buy it and send it to Corgi. :D

(just to hint) :rolleyes:

[sniperUK]

Only kit was one in 1/96th by Frog or 1/144th vac-form by Welsh Models so i think we are out of luck. :(

[CFBC]

That is interesting then as apart from GT Models, Corgi would be the only ones to have prodced a Diecast Valiant....

This is what they need..... :)

[jetfan]

The Frog Valiant was an excellent kit of very few parts. I don't ever remember seeing it in any other than the original boxes, so maybe it wasn't a best seller and no one else bought up the dies afterwards...mores the pity.
I had always hoped that they would reissue it as the all black B2 prototype with the wing pods aft of the trailing edge.

It would be quite a gamble for Corgi; on the other hand, it was an historical aircraft since it was the only British bomber to actually drop A- and H-bombs.

They could do four models:- silver, camo, white and, with minor mods, the all black B2. They did a nice job of installing the slipper tanks on the Bucc, so the same approach could be used to add the fairings on the B2.
The BK1 version springs to mind for a bit of variety.

As an aside. I used to meet a chap at BCAL on business back in the early 70s who had been a flight test observer with Vickers. He and another observer bailed out of the forward crew door when the prototype Valiant caught fire. Look at its location relative to the intakes. Scary! One of the pilots was killed as his ejection seat failed to clear the fin.

I always thought it criminal that not all crew members in the V-bombers had bang seats. I can't imagine what went through the minds of the pilots when they abandoned aircraft at low level leaving part of the crew behind. The prang at Heathrow by a Vulcan carrying the CAS springs to mind.

[Agent X20]

So the answer will be no Valiant as Airfix didn't make one :D
Airfix did do a VC10 ;) .......................................

Are you saying that they cheat then..? that there has to be a 1/whatever scale plastic jobbie for us to have diecast... surely not!!! :(

[smithers]

There was a time a few years ago when I would have loved a Corgi Valiant to complete the trio of V-bombers. In fact, there was a time when I looked forward to Corgi new releases, but not anymore. Their quality really is in free fall at the moment, and the only ones I'm still buying are the older castings which were far superior.

Interesting to hear that the price of the tooling is much less than it was before. This might explain the declining quality.

What's the point of shouting for a Valiant? Even if they surprise us all and actually do the damn thing, they'll more than likely make a complete James Blunt of it, like most of their recent releases...

[shuttle]

Smithers,

Do yourself a favour and buy the Corgi Me-262. It will restore your confidence. The B-25 and P-40 are excellent as well........

:D Shuttle

[CFBC]

What's the point of shouting for a Valiant? Even if they surprise us all and actually do the damn thing, they'll more than likely make a complete James Blunt of it, like most of their recent releases...

Like most things, if we don't keep asking we don't get - simple. :)

Whilst I appreciate they may not do a 100% accurate job, they will certainly do a better job than I in kit form or even me paying £100+ for one that I know I could possibly get one for around £30-£40 which is pretty accurate.

So Corgi. Do us a favour and do one, we want the three V's!

[Vbombers3]

O'im guessing these are wot they moight look like, should Corgi get off their duff and give 'em ter us.

More, if yer wants ter know: http://www.valiants-r-us.co.uk/

[CFBC]

Hey! Vb3.. Spot on!! Kits I presume you have there?

This is exactly what we want.... Thanks. :cool:

[BSteinIPMS]

O'im guessing these are wot they moight look like, should Corgi get off their duff and give 'em ter us.

I'll take all four, VB3, thanks! :D The first three could come from the same tooling, but the black B.Mk.2 (only one built) has significant differences which would require different or at least modified tooling. Still, Corgi has done this with the Constellation and others..... :cool:
...he says, hoping....

[Agent X20]

Okay.. so that thats their first release.. what they gonna do after 6 months..

[Agent X20]

Hardly I think.. thats the whole point.. if they cant get 25,000 of them away, it dont figure in their plans.....

[Martin Bull]

Well, that's a pretty convincing Poll result.

This can only mean that, as with the D-Day Typhoon, we're guaranteed never to see one from Corgi...... ;)

[smithers]

Okay.. so that thats their first release.. what they gonna do after 6 months..
Simple...they'll flog the same limited number of colour schemes to death, the way they have with the Vulcan and the Victor! And the Hunter. And the Lightning. And so on ad infinitum.

The notion that that the Valiant is not viable on the grounds of limited colour schemes cuts no ice, I'm afraid. Corgi have made a lot of money from churning out the same old stuff year after year.

But as I said earlier, I couldn't care less if they do bring out a Valiant. I'd rather have no Valiant than a crap Valiant...

[sniperUK]

On the Hannants site they are announcing a 1/72 Valiant ,injection by Mach 2 as a future release.:)

[CFBC]

Now here is a thread I had to blow the cobwebs off... -laugh-

So, we still-up for a Valiant then or has the time past that we are not bothered now? I see by the poll that it was a "want", but if a manufacturer looked at it then would We as a collectors consider it?

[Craig]

I'd definately have one, or two........-smile

[avro730]

About time this one was dusted off. Valiant Yes please! As far as schemes go obviously there is sliver, white and Camouflage all B1's, then B(PR)1's and then B(K)1's plus specials such as Wg Cdr Hubbards XD818. The B2 might be beyond the scope as there was only one, it was black and was very different from the B1's (Longer, different undercarriage and the sponsons on the rear of the wing) As for marketing it Id have thought grinding out a few more Victors and Vulcans and issuing a three part set would be right up corgis street. I did have a conversation with some one on the corgi van when visiting a wholesaler, the attutidue then (about three years ago) was not enough schemes (like the Nimrod then!). Still we can but dream and while were about it how about a Javlien, Swift, Vixen, Scimitar, Sea Hawk, Venom (sea, NF and FB of course) AND then when we have that lot how about some more 1/144 heavies, Halifax, wellington and B24 etc to keep the Lancs and B17's company...whats that noise, Oh the alarm, time to wake up then.

Apoligies for wandering off toipic slightly!!

[Max Reheat]

Now here is a thread I had to blow the cobwebs off... -laugh-

So, we still-up for a Valiant then or has the time past that we are not bothered now? I see by the poll that it was a "want", but if a manufacturer looked at it then would We as a collectors consider it?
Yes! I would dearly like to complete the set with a Valiant. So much so that I've been considering a George Turner kit (£40 versus £158 pre-built...!). Has anyone built up this kit and if so please could they advise on how easy it is for a relative novice?

Wasn't there (is there) a tie-up between Corgi and GTM and if so, isn't the job part way done? Or is that just wishful thinking?

[The Defiant Man]

Just realised that I hadn't voted in this one......

I voted "no interest". TBH, this is simply because I do not collect 1/144, so wouldn't be interested in getting one. However, for 1/144 military collectors it must be a glaring gap in the collection and one that will provide Corgi with above average sales figures.

[Leviathan]

Again, it would be a brave man to give this one the go ahead!

The cost of tooling up is increasing steadily, with general production costs of the die-casts we all love to collect also on the rise!

1/144th is a limited market now and the Valiant would simply not have the general market appeal of the previous V duo. It would also have to pay for itself in a short space of time, so unless they can rely on some stunning initial sales figures, I would have to say that this one would be unlikely!


Regards



Leviathan

[Craig]

Yes! I would dearly like to complete the set with a Valiant. So much so that I've been considering a George Turner kit (£40 versus £158 pre-built...!). Has anyone built up this kit and if so please could they advise on how easy it is for a relative novice?

Wasn't there (is there) a tie-up between Corgi and GTM and if so, isn't the job part way done? Or is that just wishful thinking?


Not built the kit myself, but have to say being a white metal kit if you're inexperienced in the world of kit building you may well struggle.....

[Agent X20]

Again, it would be a brave man to give this one the go ahead!

The cost of tooling up is increasing steadily, with general production costs of the die-casts we all love to collect also on the rise!

1/144th is a limited market now and the Valiant would simply not have the general market appeal of the previous V duo. It would also have to pay for itself in a short space of time, so unless they can rely on some stunning initial sales figures, I would have to say that this one would be unlikely!


Regards



Leviathan

Sorry squire but that is a blinkered attitude...

Series of individual numbers.. white camo.. blue black or whatever...

Then a selection of menages a trois....

This has a hell of a lot more going for it buck per lb of metal than many another diecast subjects... but it has to be marketed properly and the canine dont know his .... from his elbow... so basically until he gets up off his elbows.. yer ferkled.

On the subject of commerciality then.,. a 110 and a Beaufighter.. then where are you going to go...?????????????

Merlots good tonite....:)

[avro730]

I think the tie up between Corgi and GTM was that GTM mastered some corgi models, not necessarily aircraft but cars and buses I think. And many thanks to reheat, Iwas aware of the GTM 1/144 Valiant readymade but not the kit which I will order on the morrow and will post some pics of the bits.

[sniperUK]

Their 50,000 rivets flying in close formation models (Shackletons) are also available as resin kits, very tempting as they cost less than their CMK equivilents.

[avro730]

Their 50,000 rivets flying in close formation models (Shackletons) are also available as resin kits, very tempting as they cost less than their CMK equivilents.
Yes I saw the Shac and was/am very tempted, but I think the Valiant will win out, Shac next maybe.

[Polecat]

I think the tie up between Corgi and GTM was that GTM mastered some corgi models, not necessarily aircraft but cars and buses I think. And many thanks to reheat, Iwas aware of the GTM 1/144 Valiant readymade but not the kit which I will order on the morrow and will post some pics of the bits.

Resurrecting this thread again.

Did you (or anyone else) ever buy this in kit form? I'd be very interested in your opinions of it, and of the work involved.

I still have my old airbrush and compressor from plastic modelling days.

Polecat

[avro730]

Hi Polecat, I did try to order the kit but there were problems with the canopy molding and they said they would let me know when it was ready, I asked to have the shack instead but nothing ever came. The lady was very nice so perhaps I should give them a call.

[blue steel]

For me it's a big 'YES' but I do understand manufacturers concerns regarding the tooling/sales ratio. I'm not sure how many liveries/loads could be made to ensure acceptable returns but I assume the biggest seller would be the classic anti-flash white so perhaps a couple of these versions with higher production runs may be an option. Good thing for the Valiant was that it tended to be used to test all our early nukes so has a little bit of extra historical interest too. Then there's the tanker version and I'm sure everyone who has a Vulcan and Victor will want a Valiant. Good old Corgi done us a VC10 (although why it was commissioned with those ridges is beyond me :confused: ) so a Valiant must surely have been (or still be?) in their thoughts. Perhaps some extra variations could be incorporated by it having an opening bomb-bay for instance. Just a thought

[johnnyboy]

So what is wrong with this one?
http://www.tricatus.co.uk/gtvv01.htm

[von hitchofen]

So what is wrong with this one?
http://www.tricatus.co.uk/gtvv01.htm

the price? ;)

[johnnyboy]

the price? ;)

Now you are just being picky:LOL: :LOL:

[Acklington]

So what is wrong with this one?
http://www.tricatus.co.uk/gtvv01.htm

What is wrong with it? Much too accurate and nicely moulded for a start!:LOL:

[Aviaction]

Valiant schemes are in previous posts on this thread.
The lack of schemes isn't a valid point.
Just look at the Victor and Vulcan.
What schems have we got on those...
oh yes that right, green/gray camo...and antiflash white.
So thats two then...and they still went ahead with these.

The major problem is Corgi found a holy grail in 1/72nd, and that move killed off 1/144.
And after the long awaited VC10, and subsequent balls up they made of that, could we actually trust this "Toy" manufacturer to produce an accurate Valiant?

[Agent X20]

No... they would forget the passenger windows...

............think time has moved on... time to do an Albert methinks....:D

[blue steel]

Valiant schemes are in previous posts on this thread.
The lack of schemes isn't a valid point.
Just look at the Victor and Vulcan.
What schems have we got on those...
oh yes that right, green/gray camo...and antiflash white.
So thats two then...and they still went ahead with these.

The major problem is Corgi found a holy grail in 1/72nd, and that move killed off 1/144.
And after the long awaited VC10, and subsequent balls up they made of that, could we actually trust this "Toy" manufacturer to produce an accurate Valiant?

If it was ever considered I think 1/144 scale would probably be the only one considered as it would compliment the previous 'V' bombers. I think I'd trust Corgi as they know it would have to be good straight away - unlike that first VC10 :(

[Agent X20]

If all they were ever going to do is 'borrow' the Turner mold then it would be a little cracker (as long as the trademark joint line was obscured)

Whole thing revolves around certainty.. if they could get most out at SRRP then it would be on the shelves tomorrow.. but if it allies to a white topped Nimrod which is currently out there at a score, then it will only add to the canines woes....

(S - sensible:D )


(they are most probably still hurting from the major fluck up which was the V Bomber set.. and yet they cannot be ar*ed to sort out a Connie tail decal....:confused: :( )

[blue steel]

If all they were ever going to do is 'borrow' the Turner mold then it would be a little cracker (as long as the trademark joint line was obscured)

Whole thing revolves around certainty.. if they could get most out at SRRP then it would be on the shelves tomorrow.. but if it allies to a white topped Nimrod which is currently out there at a score, then it will only add to the canines woes....

(S - sensible:D )


(they are most probably still hurting from the major fluck up which was the V Bomber set.. and yet they cannot be ar*ed to sort out a Connie tail decal....:confused: :( )

Now that would be a cracker!

[Polecat]

Hi Polecat, I did try to order the kit but there were problems with the canopy molding and they said they would let me know when it was ready, I asked to have the shack instead but nothing ever came. The lady was very nice so perhaps I should give them a call.

Let us know if you do go ahead. The Shack looks nice too.

I reckon that if anyone takes the plunge and buys a Valiant kit, and posts a few favourable comments, Tricatus will suddenly find they have a best-seller on their hands.

Might even do it myself....:)

Polecat

[CFBC]

Any chance of a Valiant then from Corgi in 1/144th? :D

[Craig]

I still remain in eternal hope...:)

[DCRanger]

Thought they had given up on that scale. Wouldn't one or two though.

We're not talking 1/72 here are we, no I didn't think so.:)

[Drew Peacock]

Utterly ridiculous we re still having to ask for this model after four and a half years,it was this short sightedness and lack of touch with the core customer base that put the old Corgi into receivership.Hornby take note and learn lessons from this!

[blue steel]

If you had to suggest a 'Top 3' for Hornby..........:rolleyes: