New Corgi range for 2007 - PREDATORS [Archive] - The Diecast Aviation Web Site and Forum

spock1

13th July 2006, 20:45

:unsure: Mr. TSR2,

The word on the Predators range is that they are supposed to be midway between the Warbirds and proper AA's. Disturbingly information is leaking through that they will be the same models that are up and coming from another manufacturer, boxed as Corgi with an srp of a fiver more!....:(

Hopefully my information is wrong, if not then the least they can expect is yet more well deserved flak!..........:wacko:

tsr2

13th July 2006, 20:50

PH-LKK

13th July 2006, 21:32

Hmmmm. Gemini and Corgi patch things up then? :unsure:

Typhoon-MKV

13th July 2006, 21:34

Hmmmm. Gemini and Corgi patch things up then? :unsure:

Way off the mark :D ;)

sniperUK

13th July 2006, 21:36

Ixo/Altaya?

CFBC

13th July 2006, 21:46

Way off the mark :D ;)

yes, way, way off the mark... My lips are sealed, but the releases will be interesting, but worth the extra fiver above and beyond another manufacturers range? I will reserve judgement and await the releases of these to see.

Oh, I do know, but sworn to keep my mouth shut! ;) :) (unless a Captive Eagle is available or a 262 FM Galland) - :LOL:

Oh... So is Typhie! ;)

charley

13th July 2006, 21:51

Ixo/Altaya?

I'll second that! ;)

sniperUK

13th July 2006, 21:52

Sounds like Ixo if there are "interesting" releases,some that Corgi might not want to make their own moulds.

CFBC

13th July 2006, 21:53

I'll second that! ;)

:rolleyes:

Agent X20

13th July 2006, 21:54

What the French Connection is a 'Predator' aircraft...:( :confused: :( :confused:

Can we just change the title of this forum to Diecast Toy Forum...:(

sniperUK

13th July 2006, 21:55

Should we let Agent C in on this .

charley

13th July 2006, 21:56

:rolleyes:

:confused: who me!!!! :o

charley

13th July 2006, 21:57

What the French Connection is a 'Predator' aircraft...:( :confused: :( :confused:

Can we just change the title of this forum to Diecast Toy Forum...:(

:LOL:

Can we start a seperate section for Transformers please! I Seem to remember one in the form of an F-15 Eagle.....:D

CFBC

13th July 2006, 22:02

Can we just change the title of this forum to Diecast Toy Forum...:(

Nope - Don't even suggest it... How dare you! :mad: Thats teh Warbird range that should be classed as toys.....

The Predator range are a mixture between AA's and the Warbirds.

I am afraid I cannot say anymore, but they will be between the two ranges already available from Corgi. :)

Agent X20

13th July 2006, 22:05

Sorry old sport but what the ferk is a Predator.... no one has answered the question...

Oh one thing is for sure......Bet it aint a civil....

sniperUK

13th July 2006, 22:11

One of these Agent http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/predator.htm I wish:wacko:

Agent X20

13th July 2006, 22:15

Of course ... silly me.. Snipes......

... should have guessed.........:wacko: :blink:

................ no pilot..!!:D :D :D

spock1

13th July 2006, 22:19

I'll second that! ;)

:rolleyes: You are seemingly 'warm' but not quite..........:cool:

:confused: Mr. CFBC,

An extra fiver just for Corgi packaging? ......... uh uuh but we will see....;) :)

The Defiant Man

14th July 2006, 00:16

The Predator range are a mixture between AA's and the Warbirds.

Between AA and Warbird ranges....hmmm.....the word Legend springs to mind.......

Ok, if it ain't Gemini...and Mr Spock says IXO only warm......Hobby Master?

I'd just like to know how many ranges Corgi thinks the market can take.....

spock1

14th July 2006, 00:33

I'd just like to know how many ranges Corgi thinks the market can take.....

:( Mr. DM,

Fully agree, but am rather annoyed at what seems to be a case of identical models, from the same mould and factory about to come to the UK at differing prices under different brands!........:mad:

It has happened before in diecast with construction vehicles but not to my knowledge with Corgi. I can only hope they do not in fact stoop so low but we must wait and see.........:unsure: :wacko:

charley

14th July 2006, 06:23

Why would Corgi want to rebadge someone elses model??? :blink:

I'm lost on this one, If it is HM or Gemini then this surely means that they can not afford to get their own toolings made? Are they skint?

:confused:

CFBC

14th July 2006, 06:33

I'd just like to know how many ranges Corgi thinks the market can take.....

Quite agree with you TDM, be interesting to see how Corgi market this range and to who to be honest as the "mrdium" price being suggested, then it is towards collectors, warbirds for entry levels (but wait - you get a free SnS after fourteen models) and that ain't kids stuf.... Still I wonder what SnS it will be.... :confused: :)

Anyway, back to Predators.... I thought they were an Alien race content on destroying and feeeding in hot countries and have some great tools, but hey.... What do I know. (Arnie and Danny both had a go at em). :D

I wish Corgi good luck with this range, but Mr Spock... It is no worse than any othe electrical range being re-badged and re-sold by various companies is it? Come on? It's been happening for years. My interest is to see if people will pay the extra money for these with a Corgi badge with the additional fee compared to the original manufacturer being £5-£6 cheaper.

Still, you do pay for a brand name. (Please - no comments on that please).

:)

Red 2

14th July 2006, 06:33

CFBC

14th July 2006, 06:39

Hmmm, badge engineering...two companies' identical mouldings on sale with different prices? Sounds like a recipe for confusion unless there is some sort of exclusivity in geographical markets.

If it produces an expanded range of high quality models, no issues, but it does seem to further endanger Corgi's market identity.:unsure:

Ok, befre this gets outta hand. I can explain a little, but cannot give away too much here guys. Firstly the boxes I believe will not be the same... Secondly the liveries will not be the same.... As to the models and where they are produced, well these will be.

I cannot say anymore I am afraid, but please Mr Spock give them the benefit of the doubt until we have seen them.

:)

Red 2

14th July 2006, 06:43

Ve have ways of making you talk.....now look into the light CFBC....you can either talk or your FM 262 order is replaced with a Zero.....:D

CFBC

14th July 2006, 06:51

Ve have ways of making you talk.....now look into the light CFBC....you can either talk or your FM 262 order is replaced with a Zero.....:D

A pink Zero? Go with the DAF nightfighter Avro York I have under lock n key.

:cool:

Agent X20

14th July 2006, 08:09

Why would Corgi want to rebadge someone elses model??? :blink:
:confused:

COS ITS CHEAP..!!! (for Corgi and Hobbymaster/IXO or whoever will get a kickback for the mold use...)

Corgi will naturally have the marketing expertise and the didtribution outlets to place this model in every toyshop at the drop of a hat..

.... these blooming keyboarads... all they type is bollix...:D :D

Been happening for years with the civils.. that 1/200 727 mold has slept with more partners that one would care to mention, yet no one is upset about it and the collectors benefit from more liveries...

Problem with the pooch is that they will go in at a level far in excess than the market will be able to cope with... and french connection it up for everyone else..:)

Rusty

14th July 2006, 09:14

First of all, I don't know nothing about this whole affair. But, I can deduce a number of things.

1. It won't be IXO/Altaya, they have only done Warbirds. What makes you think the "Predator" range is warbirds?

2. This is posted in the "Modern Military" section - they are Jets.

3. It is obviously a collection complementary to the "Warbirds" collection (distrurbingly titled 'Series 1') - again they are Jets!

4. What is the big deal about them using the same castings? IF, and I do mean if, they do the research better and choose the liveries better, and give an overall finish which is better - they will be worth the extra £5 plain and simple! It isn't the same product if everything but the shape is different! They'll all be F-15s or whatever, so how different do we really want the castings to be?

SO, who is making jets at the moment, and who will keep on making them (reliably) in the future. It's gonna have to be someone with a reasonable range. Revell? No. Gaincorp? Too Russian, so no. Hmmm, who else does modern military? Hmmm, really trying to figure this one out. They need to at least have a bunch of Fs available, F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18 at least.... maybe an Su-27 to dogfight with... Hmmmm, who could it be? :confused:

Martin Bull

14th July 2006, 09:22

Hmmm, badge engineering...:unsure:

No problem with that, Red 2! Remember the last Rover 400/45 where the only bit changed from a Honda was the grille - and Rover triumphantly went on to.....oh :( ... hang on a sec - maybe not such a good example.......:LOL:

Agent X20

14th July 2006, 09:53

.. you forgot the chrome round the windows... Honda - yes.. Rover - no... guess which Autoglass fitted to my 416 back in 199 something..:mad:

.. all set for a resurgence.. Mr Wong gonna make em in the States...

bongo

14th July 2006, 13:18

4. What is the big deal about them using the same castings? IF, and I do mean if, they do the research better and choose the liveries better, and give an overall finish which is better - they will be worth the extra £5 plain and simple! It isn't the same product if everything but the shape is different! They'll all be F-15s or whatever, so how different do we really want the castings to be?

Nothing wrong in using the same castings, problem I think will be both Corgi's and 'Brand X' will be to the same standard, only thing that will be different is the livery and the box.

BONGO

Rusty

14th July 2006, 16:54

Nothing wrong in using the same castings, problem I think will be both Corgi's and 'Brand X' will be to the same standard, only thing that will be different is the livery and the box.

BONGO

Great! Then we'll have two chances at getting the liveries we want!

minter

14th July 2006, 16:57

Sorry old sport but what the ferk is a Predator....

mrs mint on my bank account

Agent X20

14th July 2006, 17:00

Whats yours is hers and whats hers is her own.. you should know that old sport ....its in the marriage vows...

.. old CFBC must be sweating...:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

minter

14th July 2006, 17:06

yes how true, and mrs mint has just got a job, so wonder if i will be allowed to get some more metal.............na dont think so :rolleyes:

maple 01

14th July 2006, 18:48

It's Witty Wings isn't it?

CFBC

14th July 2006, 19:08

.. old CFBC must be sweating...:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Too right I am... :unsure: :unsure:

datacroft

14th July 2006, 19:13

Corgi will naturally have the marketing expertise

Errrrrrrrrrrr...................Pardon:confused:
Isn't Corgi and marketing expertise an oxymoron.:LOL: :LOL:

Agent X20

14th July 2006, 20:19

.... these blooming keyboarads... all they type is bollix...:D :D ..:)

Datacroft old froot, I did quantify the statement made...

Still think if they get a couple of 'Jordans' to crew their exibitorbus, you'll have yer eyes on other 'models'....

(Until someone works out theres actually more plastic in a 1/32 Hurricane than there is in Katie Price..) :D :D :D

strix1998

15th July 2006, 09:58

Now there's a word you don't hear everyday. Am sure that if Ms Price isn't a subscriber to the Forum that she would wish to point out that her assets are silicone rather than plastic (I defer to Agent however in the event that he has handled the goods) (so to speak)

Agent X20

15th July 2006, 10:07

.....okay silicone then... :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: but its plastic surgery,,:confused: :LOL:

Anyway what a place to dive the sub.... never to be seen again.....:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Happy Valley..........................................

condor

15th July 2006, 19:04

Just think if Dragon and Corgi got it together:rolleyes: The perfect model:) - unless you put all Corgis bad points with all of Dragons:eek:

Condor

Martin Bull

15th July 2006, 19:27

Like the old joke about the famous actress beseeching George Bernard Shaw :

'Shaw - let us be married ! With your brains and my body, our child would be the most perfect in the world !'
Shaw - gloomily, 'Yes madam - but what if the unfortunate child should have MY body and YOUR brains....?'

andysutton

15th July 2006, 21:43

Perhaps it's a chance to re-use some of the Matchbox tools - Starfighter, Super Sabre, Mig15 etc - they were not bad models except for the lack of wheels and the fact that that you couldn't take them out of the box without using a blowtorch. And then that was the end of the pack

First of all, I don't know nothing about this whole affair. But, I can deduce a number of things.

1. It won't be IXO/Altaya, they have only done Warbirds. What makes you think the "Predator" range is warbirds?

2. This is posted in the "Modern Military" section - they are Jets.

3. It is obviously a collection complementary to the "Warbirds" collection (distrurbingly titled 'Series 1') - again they are Jets!

4. What is the big deal about them using the same castings? IF, and I do mean if, they do the research better and choose the liveries better, and give an overall finish which is better - they will be worth the extra £5 plain and simple! It isn't the same product if everything but the shape is different! They'll all be F-15s or whatever, so how different do we really want the castings to be?

SO, who is making jets at the moment, and who will keep on making them (reliably) in the future. It's gonna have to be someone with a reasonable range. Revell? No. Gaincorp? Too Russian, so no. Hmmm, who else does modern military? Hmmm, really trying to figure this one out. They need to at least have a bunch of Fs available, F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18 at least.... maybe an Su-27 to dogfight with... Hmmmm, who could it be? :confused:

CFBC

7th October 2006, 17:12

Dust. dust, dust.....

Sorry, just had to clean-up the thread.....

So, Predator Range for 2007...... A10 then? We think.... :) :confused:

Marky_ncl

7th October 2006, 17:37

Dust. dust, dust.....

Sorry, just had to clean-up the thread.....

So, Predator Range for 2007...... A10 then? We think.... :) :confused:

I would imagine so as Hobby Master have already announced the A10.

Mark

sniperUK

7th October 2006, 17:42

Definatly a Preditor,just watch out for your model British Armour.:blink: :unsure:

Ok coat on gone:D :D :D

CFBC

7th October 2006, 17:48

And the rest? Same as Hobby Masters? :)

MIG, Dauntless and Starfighter? Wonder if we will get anything else....? :D

Red 2

7th October 2006, 17:56

Badge engineering...hmmm......assuming identical quality, whoever sells it at lowest price will be the eventual winner.Other party just helps economies of scale. Hope market isn't going to be saturated by look-a-like product ostensibly from different manufacturers.:unsure: :(

CFBC

7th October 2006, 18:05

Hope market isn't going to be saturated by look-a-like product ostensibly from different manufacturers.:unsure: :(

This is Corgi R2, but I suppose we will see....

The Defiant Man

8th October 2006, 01:39

Badge engineering...hmmm......assuming identical quality, whoever sells it at lowest price will be the eventual winner.

As CFBC says, shall have to wait and see....but if they are identical and Corgi simply add (say) a tenner to the price, they will fail miserably.

Us collectors are mad, but not stupid.....:blink:......well, mostly.....:D

TankBuster

8th October 2006, 22:46

So then, when will the details finally be announced???

I have been waiting a long time for a 1:72 A-10!!

TankBuster

Marky_ncl

8th October 2006, 22:49

:) So then, when will the details finally be announced???

I have been waiting a long time for a 1:72 A-10!!

TankBuster

If this new range is in the 2007 catalogue I believe it is being officially released on Monday 16th October but Albert said something about the catalogue being announced on Thursday 12th October but no pictures being available until Monday 16th October!!

Would make more sense if it was all released together!!!!

Mark :)

TankBuster

8th October 2006, 22:56

Just like the Corgi models then....Announced to be released on one date & then get released on another one:LOL:

TankBuster

Typhoon-MKV

12th October 2006, 09:41

shuttle

12th October 2006, 10:07

Very interesting - how will this reflect on Corgi's other prices? They can't claim that the are inferior models?

:) Shuttle

Agent Carr

12th October 2006, 10:19

Very interesting - how will this reflect on Corgi's other prices? They can't claim that the are inferior models?

:) Shuttle

Are HM putting there prices up? Whos going to pay £19.99 for a model in a corgi box if you can get the same model for £14.99 in a HM box?

CFBC

12th October 2006, 10:27

Are HM putting there prices up?

Not that I am aware of AC..... Lets see what Corgi have to offer. I do know that the box artwork will have details of the livery and also specific details of the plane/pilot printed on the box/inside cover, but what else we are and not sure about at present which will justify the extra money..... :)

Agent Carr

12th October 2006, 10:38

Not that I am aware of AC..... Lets see what Corgi have to offer. I do know that the box artwork will have details of the livery and also specific details of the plane/pilot printed on the box/inside cover, but what else we are and not sure about at present which will justify the extra money..... :)

A new box great idea! Nothing wrong with the HM box. Tells you what is inside and protects the model. Arrogance of Corgi to think people will pay more as it has there name on the box.

Red 2

12th October 2006, 10:40

Not that I am aware of AC..... Lets see what Corgi have to offer. I do know that the box artwork will have details of the livery and also specific details of the plane/pilot printed on the box/inside cover, but what else we are and not sure about at present which will justify the extra money..... :)

Hmmm...if priced the same as HM then would be a winner....any significant premium for box artwork and I'm really not sure. Personally the actual model is what counts for me but I know others do have interest in the packaging. Cheapest source for the model will win in my books...

Seafire47

12th October 2006, 10:50

Will they be identical models to the HM releases, (in which case it would be difficult to justify a higher price) or will Corgi have their own liveries on the HM castings?

Cardinal

12th October 2006, 10:56

Nope - Don't even suggest it... How dare you! :mad: Thats teh Warbird range that should be classed as toys.....

The Predator range are a mixture between AA's and the Warbirds.

I am afraid I cannot say anymore, but they will be between the two ranges already available from Corgi. :)

So you're saying in effect then that the Legends range is making a comeback :rolleyes: ;) :D.

Cardinal

12th October 2006, 11:01

The predator range is now official, and will appear in 2007.

Made by Hobby Master they will come in Corgi's own boxes and we believe retail at £19.99.

There will be the models already released by Hobby Master, plus an A10 Tankbuster.

I sincerely hope that both companies don't end up shooting themselves in the foot (or feet) with this arrangement - if it is indeed a given fact that they'll be co-operating :confused: :(.

Red 2

12th October 2006, 11:09

I sincerely hope that both companies don't end up shooting themselves in the foot (or feet) with this arrangement - if it is indeed a given fact that they'll be co-operating :confused: :(.

My thoughts as well.....HM brand is a strong one at the moment, hope they keep some model types as 'exclusives'.:unsure:

Albert Ross

12th October 2006, 11:25

Of course ... silly me.. Snipes......

... should have guessed.........:wacko: :blink:

................ no pilot..!!:D :D :D

Yes, completely wrong...here it is.....

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=47973&page=2

:blink:

charley

12th October 2006, 16:12

License Built die-casts! Oh well......:rolleyes:

corgi956

12th October 2006, 17:53

Who actually cares unless you are Roman Abramovich?:rolleyes:

I for one can't afford to keep up with all this stuff rolloing off the production lines. Bet Albert Speer felt like this as he tried to keep pace with American/British production in WW2.:eek:

Not a cat in hells chance.:(

raddger

12th October 2006, 18:23

Agent Carr

12th October 2006, 18:32

If cost is similar and quality is the same then it will come down to what liveries each company produces to what i buy.

Have to admit, I have no real brand preference/loyalty and will buy what I like when I see it.

More choices can't be a bad thing.

So long as they are not just the HM models reboxed ala Altaya / IXO.

Raddger

What I am more worried about if this is am attempt by Corgi to stop HM taking there market share. Wave a big cheque to them and they will rub Corgis tummy. HM promise first class models (I even have some on pre-order) and I would prefer if Corgi was no were near them.

Marky_ncl

12th October 2006, 18:34

HM are promise first class models (I even have some on pre-order) and I prefer if Corgi was no were near them.

Could you please re-type this in English that makes sense??

neighbob

12th October 2006, 18:53

Not for me thankyou very much.

spock1

12th October 2006, 19:04

Could you please re-type this in English that makes sense??

:) Mr. Marky,

Think AC is trying to say he would rather not see HM jump into bed with the Hound. On the face of it I fully agree with him! HM have started out well, if they fall into the clutches of the Hound then on current form I shudder to think of the likely consequences..............;) :unsure:

CFBC

12th October 2006, 19:24

:) Mr. Marky,

Think AC is trying to say he would rather not see HM jump into bed with the Hound. On the face of it I fully agree with him! HM have started out well, if they fall into the clutches of the Hound then on current form I shudder to think of the likely consequences..............;) :unsure:

Quite agree, byt here is hoping that peeps have collected enough HM before these come out and so carry on.... They will be boxed and branded under another name. If Corgi want to flood there own brand.. Let em.. Their loss, erm.....

FROGGY

12th October 2006, 19:30

Anybody can explain to me with simple word, what the predators Range ?:wacko:

It's like legend or like the warbirds "toys" series ?

Merci d'avance ! ;)

Typhoon-MKV

12th October 2006, 21:15

Anybody can explain to me with simple word, what the predators Range ?:wacko:

It's like legend or like the warbirds "toys" series ?

Merci d'avance ! ;)

Neither......It's a brand new range tooled from Hobby Master.....

PH-LKK

12th October 2006, 21:22

Neither......It's a brand new range tooled from Hobby Master.....Hobby Master!?! [THUNK]

Just fell out of my chair. This means a Corgi-branded Bf-110 is on the way....? :blink: :unsure:

The Defiant Man

13th October 2006, 00:20

I think this is quite a clever move on Corgi's part.....probably a fixed price per unit agreement....HM take the risk on price of raw materials.....no tooling costs.....above the fixed price per unit they will incur costs for researching the scheme, extra packaging and distribution only (that I can think of off the top of my head:D )......being made by a manufacturer whose new range has won almost universal acclaim. OTOH, it will only heighten the feeling that the main AA range is over-priced....

However, I think it is a bleedin' stupid move by HM....they should be building their own brand name and collector base.

strix1998

13th October 2006, 08:24

by HM they probably reduce their own unit cost as well-additionally feel sure that this is ultimately going to force Corgi to reduce prices. My only caveat is as TDM mentions that they have done this whilst their own brand awareness is still under development albeit very promisingly so. Am still not sure that I will return to preordering on Corgis 2007 releases whereas I am preordering HM releases given the modest prices and excellent quality.
Whilst there are benfits to both and HM can trade on the hound's name ultimately think that this relationship will ultimately work to the detriment of the hound and maybe create a reverse takeover in AA to the collector's benefit.

Grizzly Adams

26th October 2006, 17:50

I'm still pretty much lost over this whole affair.

Are the planes going to be the same tooling, ie the quality of the Dauntless and Stuka? I want to order the FAA stuff that HM are going to produce, but are we going to get that over here now or are we just going to get the same models, but more expensive from Corgi? A little confused i must admit.

CFBC

26th October 2006, 17:58

Grizz,

Don't worry old chap.... The Hobbymaster range as far as I am aware will still be available even though the Corgi Predator range is available.

Now, this range still has to be really clarified by Corgi as to exactly what we get in the box, but they are simply re-badged HM releases, but with new liveries being issued by Corgi..... They have a new box, new packaging and also some history on the plane and pilot printed too unlike the HM releases.

In terms of what is in the box, well that is the same as the Hobbymaster toolings as far as detailed so far

Corgi have not said anymore or detailed anymore and no pre-pro's are available or anything as yet either. There are a couple of rumours, but only rumours at this stage and therefore I cannot post the info.

Hope that helps.... :)

Grizzly Adams

26th October 2006, 18:14

Ta CFBC, knew someone would have an answer :)

MiGAlley

17th January 2007, 19:27

As of yet there hadn't really been that much news on the Predators range, but a couple of days ago I spotted these on the website of one of the local retailers:

http://www.aviationmegastore.com/prodimg/66894_0.jpg
MIG-21 PF Fishbed D, 921st 'Sao Do', VPAF, 1968: Nguyen Van Coc

http://www.aviationmegastore.com/prodimg/66897_0.jpg
Cold War Warrior : F-104C, 479th TFW, California, 1964

No surprises really: as we expected they're the Hobby Master offerings with a different paint job. Still, at least some of the planned releases are interesting and unusual schemes, which can only be a good thing. Just a shame that Hobby Master was already doing that on its own (e.g., Iraqi MiG). I still wonder what exactly is in this deal for them: with Corgi stuff getting dumped all over the place hooking up with them might not seem the rosiest prospect to us. Hope they prove me wrong.

Craig

17th January 2007, 19:42

Hope they issue them with standard Corgi stands, might be tempted by a couple of them if they do, if not won't touch them, have too much in my collection as it is, have no intentions of diversifying further and they'll look odd otherwise. I wait with interest....

Red Leader

17th January 2007, 19:51

Are they without undercarriage ?

The Defiant Man

18th January 2007, 12:51

Are they without undercarriage ?

I don't think anyone knows for certain yet......although all pictures so far have been on stands without u/c.....

col

18th January 2007, 21:41

Oh, it's going to be wheels up, just like Warbirds. Why show photos of them on a stand otherwise ?

Still, I have a cunning plan. Buy a Predator at, say £20ish. Apply screwdriver and pliers, prise off uc doors. Buy a HM at £15ish, remove uc, throw away what's left.

Drill holes in Predator, apply lashings of superglue to holes and HM uc. Touch up paint work and hey presto - £35 gone off to a better place.

I haven't posted on the forum often and I don't feel a great need to complain about manufacturer's shortcomings (so far). Most of what gets produced looks pretty good, given limitations in mouldings vs cost (though we all want to see ongoing improvements). The last time I had diecast aircraft they were Dinky BoB film 'tie in' Spitfires & Stukas circa 1968/69. A nostalgic hunt on the internet for 2nd hand examples shows they were pretty grim.

Re today's stuff, there is enough around, that if it looks c**p, don't buy it.

But, the point is HM have produced some good stuff and Predators are likely to cost more and be less. It's annoying to know we are likely to get shortchanged.

Er, does this count as a compaint, whinge or rant ?

+ Does anyone have any of the old Dinky kits and can post some pics on the forum. Despite what I said I have happy holiday memories of a much younger and less cycnical Col divebombing Margate beach with a newly acquired Stuka.

kevjb64

18th January 2007, 22:14

+ Does anyone have any of the old Dinky kits and can post some pics on the forum. Despite what I said I have happy holiday memories of a much younger and less cycnical Col divebombing Margate beach with a newly acquired Stuka.

Wish you had done a better job , you might have hit my ex mother - in - law !:mad: ;)

Agent X20

18th January 2007, 22:30

I think my ex-mother in law flew Stukas...:LOL:

kevjb64

18th January 2007, 22:43

I think my ex-mother in law flew Stukas...:LOL:

Mine flew a broomstick !!:rolleyes: :D

kevjb64

18th January 2007, 22:48

I think my ex-mother in law flew Stukas...:LOL:

I'm sure you knew this but mother - in - law is an anagram for woman hitler !:eek: :LOL:

johnnyboy

18th January 2007, 23:11

Mine flew a broomstick !!:rolleyes: :D
I wonder if she belonged to the same coven as Mrs JB and her sister?:)

CFBC

19th January 2007, 07:19

Seafire47

19th January 2007, 11:41

I really think it's a little early to start condemning Corgi for the Predators range being undercarriage-less. That's just an assumption based on the fact that the very few photos released so far show them on their stands. If they'd shown them on their undercarriages, would there instead be outraged posts saying that they're bound to have fixed down undercarriages like the Legends range?:confused:

All of the Hobbymaster pre-pro photos that Hawk posted showed the models with undercarriage down, but that didn't mean that we didn't have a choice when the production versions arrived.

Now if they do turn out to be Warbirds-style versions of the Hobbymaster models at a higher price I'll join in the condemnation, but lets just wait and see rather than jumping to conclusions.

Agent X20

19th January 2007, 11:44

I'm sure you knew this but mother - in - law is an anagram for woman hitler !:eek: :LOL: No I didnt.... so as we have outlaws at home, am sure I may get around to mentioning it!!

Leviathan

19th January 2007, 12:07

Forumites,

My understanding is that they will be exactly the same type of release, regarding undercarriage options and general specifications!

Not long to wait now though!

Regards

Leviathan

The Defiant Man

5th February 2007, 18:47

First picture of a release from the new Predator range is up on MH2.....
http://forum.themodelhangar.com/showthread.php?t=2618

Looks like optional undercarriage.....

kevjb64

5th February 2007, 19:25

Looks :cool but still a lot of pingy bits .:rolleyes: :)

Craig

5th February 2007, 20:23

Is it just me though, or do these things not have stands? :confused:

col

5th February 2007, 21:34

Stands ? Unless my aging eyes deceive me I believe I see wheels !! Thankyou pooch

The Defiant Man

21st February 2007, 11:18

The Richard Best Dauntless landed today......

I have to say that it's very nice.......the panel lines are still there but far less noticable than on the HM version and there's none of that horrible wash HM put on it (personal taste, I know). Stand or uncercart options and also two canopy options. Looks a very nice model.

I appreciate that nothing but the model is of interest/matter to some folks. However, the packaging is ok and the technical info for the Dauntless on the underside of the lid is a nice touch. The information sheet, which doubles as the certificate, is actually an interesting read, far better than the standard Corgi certs.

All in all, for £15 inc P&P good value for money in my opinion and I shall certainly be getting more Predators.....

Grizzly Adams

21st February 2007, 11:58

Where did you get yours from DM as MZ are doing these for £22 which is waaaaaay too expensive.

Typhoon-MKV

21st February 2007, 13:02

Where did you get yours from DM as MZ are doing these for £22 which is waaaaaay too expensive.

I thought they were supposed to be £19.99 srp, seems a bit naughty of MZ to charge this........

Agent X20

21st February 2007, 13:43

Yep.. £19.99 all the way from Corgi.. the price is on their website...

Grizzly Adams

21st February 2007, 13:48

Well that's what they were in the Sutton one, will check out Croydon tomorrow.

The Defiant Man

21st February 2007, 14:45

Where did you get yours from DM as MZ are doing these for £22 which is waaaaaay too expensive.

It was an ebay auction purchase.......won at £12......the three released so far are available BIN between £12.50 and £14.50 from a number of ebay shops.....

P51D

21st February 2007, 19:47

Have a couple of these on the way (stuka/dauntless)

Main attraction of this Stuka (over HM) is obviously the swazi. I think the canopy may also have been corrected to some degree. Panel lines don't bother me either way on this one.

As DM said, panel lines were overdone on the HM Dauntless and I am expecting the Corgi version to look better on display.

HM had better hope that not too many people prefere their models without a panel line wash :eek: ....if so they might have to re-negotiate their deal with corgi! :D

P51D

24th February 2007, 09:57

My Stuka and Dauntless have arrived, nice models!

Prefere them (slightly) to the HM's for the reasons I have already mentioned.

Be interesting to see how HM sales are effected by this. Even more interesting to see if these releases make any difference to sales of Corgi's AA range. Even though they are different types (to Corgi's main range) they are better quality models on the whole with similar packaging including certs. On top of this the Predators obviously have a far lower MRRP.

Think the number on the cert is 4750 :eek: so with HM also releasing the same castings there are likely to be a few to go round! (See Lofty/Agent price guide for the best time to buy these and how much to pay :D )

Just looked underneath my 'Predators'....'corgi' is printed in black on the tail of the dauntless and the fuselage of the Stuka.....nice touch! :(

Dutchie

24th February 2007, 17:27

Bought today my first PREDATOR. Packed in a very nice box!
number 1874 of 4760.
The Mig 21 from the Vietnam Peoples Air Force (pilot Nguyen Van Coc)
looks very "Mig". Good looking nice plane, but the paintwork of the original Corgi AA-series was (is) much better.:unsure:
Big and very informative cert/info-card is added. :)