Dragon FW190 (Herman Graf)

[Gambit]

Dragon just posted a new Herman Graf FW190A-5 at Cyber-hobby for 26.90 USD or 15 GBP.
http://www.cyber-hobby.com
I just might order this one.

[Agent X20]

Thanks loads... I'd just got all the slobber of the desk from the last one and you do that to me...!!!!

Sort that out tonight.... think a pair of those... if they are only doing 500 of these then these are planes for the Collector..!!!!!!!!

[guignol1971]

Damned !!!
Cyberhobby, you could announce in the same time your limited released !! :mad:
So I've ordered FW190D-9 Rudel and this one together !
Agent, what do you think of that waste of money ? :D
I don't like to pay shipping cost twice.... :mad:

[Agent X20]

But then you would choose one from the pair....!!!

I do feel that if you were a regular buyer, they should keep them all together until you have the optimum parcel size!!!

[Lofty]

Beware the customs men though :(

[Lofty]

anyone know a release date yet?

[CFBC]

A BIG NO NO Agentx...... Will get charged MEGA customs...... Hoard two/maybe three at maximum my friend......... :)

I'm with Lofts on that one....

[CFBC]

Had an e-mail of a couple of weeks I think.... Whats the numebr and then I can confirm it... So many, I am getting confused........ :confused:

[Agent X20]

If the optimum parcel size is three then so be it...!

[CFBC]

Yes my friend, possibly... From the USA it's more weight and value..... It's a mix and match sorta thing... Nothing simple in life is there.......

:confused:

[scopedope]

I'm sorry to ask such a simple question but do the dragon german aircraft have swastika markings on the actual models? I have never seen one of these dragon range in the flesh and I am tempted.
Thanks for your help

[CFBC]

S/D... No they do not...... I know that Lofty on here buys his decals and puts them on himself.... Somewhere he has linked a site to get them, but despite that, they ARE lovely diecast models........ Obviously not fully replica.....

[Agent X20]

As long as yer can get the thing off again when its worth £500!!!!

[CFBC]

Thats why I ain't modding mine!!!!!! :)

[Agent X20]

Might not even unpack it!!!!

Have you ordered again... I did, well I think I did, but there was no confirmation..??

[CFBC]

Nah, I got no e-mail either on the latest e-mail, so will see...... ;)

[Agent X20]

Think I might email them separately.. would have thought you would get a printout...receipt for your goods..

[fatalbert]

Can anyone point me in the right direction for some good overseas retailers selling the Dragon Warbirds range.

Have only bought the 'Grunherz' 109 so far but i quite like the look of the 190's.

Oversea's seems to be the place to go if you are buying as they dont semm to have caught on that well here yet.

[CFBC]

Mr F/t.. Rather than post every Dragon dealer on here and maybe upset others..... (where I acquire mine from) I will PM you some details.... Sit tight!!!!

Forum rules "no advertising" and whilst it's not driect, well........

Give me a little time to get the info...... :)


P.S - If anyone else wants some information, please feel free to PM me!

[datacroft]

Might not even unpack it!!!!

Have you ordered again... I did, well I think I did, but there was no confirmation..??

I ordered mine, didn't get an acknowledge so, sent the standard 'status' request from their website.

Then, oh sh*t, got a nice acknowledgement but.............

details of my credit card where included in the Email confirmation.

BEWARE....... Open Emails are so bl**dy insecure I wasn't happy!

[CFBC]

oh my..... Typical Far East dealings I suppose.......

Best watch yer bills ladz!!!!!!!!!!! EEK.....

If yer se anything listed "Agent/Lofty Enterprises", then start to worry - OK!! ;)

[Agent X20]

Scuse... we is upstandin folk (unless we have been on the cider)

I would certainly watch out for Dodgy Keyboard Enterprises.....

:D :D :D

[CFBC]

I would certainly watch out for Dodgy Keyboard Enterprises.....
Don't know what your talking about.... :confused:

[Agent X20]

Dunt knew whayt your takeing aboot... I wnat me munney bcak.!!

[The Defiant Man]

Just taken the plunge & ordered one of each of the 190's.

They do look rather nice.....

[Lofty]

Certainly seem an odd bunch...... :o

[Agent X20]

Who what where..?

[CBR9]

Have ordered both of the limited editions from cyber-hobby. One of the conditions was my credit card would not be charged until shipped. Well that went out the window, my cards charged right after the order was placed.
Any inquires as to the status of these orders comes back with "will be shipping soon" bs form letter. Charge has been over 30 days, and lose the right to contest the bill in 60. Wouldn't be so concernded if cyber hobby would update the status of when the orders will likely "ship".

Was wondering if anyone had more current info on the status of these models.

[Lofty]

It would appear that "Cyber Hobby" and Dragon Warbirds are one and the same. I.E. they are "owned" by a parent company-so hopefully its not time to panic just yet. <Gulp>

[Agent X20]

Anyone been billed on this.. seems that for the Yankee chappies there seems to be a problem over postage rates quoted and then charged.. anyone here..? (as in UK)

[CBR9]

Midwest, States here, near Chicago. Got my first special order from cyber hobby in about 36 hours, once it was shipped. Although they had charged my card close to 30 days prior. Currently have 4 more order with them, all charged, and none shipped. What bothers me about the orders is, they state they will reserve the funds on your card (expected), but will not charge until shipped.

As far as the shipping charges, c an only speak for the first order it was as the orginal invoice. Their postage computation system, leaves a little to be desired. But they claim they will pick the best method to ship (to the states anyway), and that is the courier service with tracking number. My first shipment came UPS, delivered before 1030am here.

But the only game in town for the specials. Here in the states, your protected on your card for a disputed claim, but must be filed within 60 days. Once the charge shows on my statement, and no product I begin the charge back process to protect myself.

As a side, I remember reading someplace (perhaps here) that the first FW's were supposed to be shipped on the 6th of Sept. The second FW show's when ordering "to be added to the wait list" not in stock. So who know on that model.

The thrill of supporting a diecast habbit!

[CFBC]

So, has anyone received theres as yet? :confused:

[Agent X20]

Nope......

...........and me money had gone form me Credit card account....... :mad: (although I have yet to receive the monthly demand.. (checked online))

[CFBC]

Hmm. Best I go look as well then!!

:)

[Agent X20]

13 and 20 September which is pretty much a couple of days after ordering.... so that postie had better come..!!

[Lofty]

Any chance the Forum as a collective can exert some pressure?
Admin use your "Authority" to give them a spanking from us beleagured collectors! :mad:

[Agent X20]

Think its more a case of Dragon not having released them to the market.. Hopefully we should know fairly soon, am in touch with one or two who have promised to let me/us know when they get theirs..

[The Defiant Man]

Mine's not arrived yet :( Haven't checked the CC bill but no doubt will have been debited.....

[Agent X20]

Giving them til the end of next week then the emails will commence...!! (cos the Barclaycard bill will be here..)... anyone know,, should one pay a Credit Card bill if the goods aint arrived....??????????????????????????

Thanx in advance.. any merchant bankers out there..?

[Lofty]

If they operate Hong Kong like the UK , then they are not allowed to debit your card UNTIL the goods ARE IN STOCK and being DESPATCHED.....Unless you have authorized them to in writing(or so i believe)
Over to you Dragon/Cyber Hobby :cool:

[Agent X20]

Well then someone is the bollix talking.... cos CD-WOW dot com can get a CD/DVD from HK in two days...... and that's max.. their guys are beginning to look like Johnny Depp and his mates from the Carribean...

p.s. do I pay me bill...?.

[minter]

If they operate Hong Kong like the UK , then they are not allowed to debit your card UNTIL the goods ARE IN STOCK and being DESPATCHED.....Unless you have authorized them to in writing(or so i believe)
Over to you Dragon/Cyber Hobby :cool:

good point, CHC dont debit your card till plane is flying to your door!

[Agent X20]

If they operate Hong Kong like the UK , then they are not allowed to debit your card UNTIL the goods ARE IN STOCK and being DESPATCHED.....Unless you have authorized them to in writing(or so i believe)
Over to you Dragon/Cyber Hobby :cool:

Good point but difficult to prove.... no postie this mornin...!! :( :( :(

[CFBC]

Nah - Nobodies got em as yet!!! I would C/H are taking the dosh and will be shipping in the next few weeks or have taken the dosh and shipping thereafter..... Whilst I appreciate they are NOT supposed to do that, it's a way of funding the pieces.......

But, if they are already part of Dragon, well........ They must know whats going on.... Just getting answers out of them.....

Sit tights guys and have some faith..... <gulp>.

[CBR9]

Cyber Hobby used to be pretty good about answering email request for info.
Now not even that. As soon as the charge shows on your credit card,
I would contact them and contest the charges. In the states they remove
the charge/interest until the investigation is complete. Just one of many reasons not to send "cash".

I have four orders going with Cyber Hobby. See now that the "in stock" has been changed to "add to waiting list". I don't mind waiting for a release,
but not really happy about my cards being charged. I understand the need to
reserve the funds, common practice on pre ordered items. But no way should your card be debited until the itmes are shipping.

[CFBC]

CB,

Quite agree... Better in my a/c than thiers!!!! Cheekey rats!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Typhoon-MKV]

Only just caught up with this - unless things have changed didn't CD-WOW actually charge your C/C straight away, because I know when I did used to order from them, especially pre-orders they used to.

I suppose ordering Die-cast from abroad is the same as ordering DVD's bit of a risk, firstly with the supplier, then with the posting, then with Customs, then if it gets damaged or is not correct.

Swings and roundabouts really....

[Gambit]

Still waiting here, hopefully will arrive before Xmas. :mad: :mad:
The wife (she who must be obeyed) thinks I'am crazy ordering from Hong Kong. :(

[CFBC]

Were probably ALL crazy, but define crazy!!!!

:)

[Lofty]

Speak for yerself ......NUTTER :D

[Gambit]

Fortune cookie says "order arrive in new moon......."
Wife says "kiss your money good bye"

[ascot]

I have never had any prob's buying from HK. I am sure in a few weeks you will all be posting on how great your model is...keep the faith gents.

[Gambit]

Your absolutely right, but the wait is so ..........

[ascot]

Gambit

Relax and enjoy the wait, lets face it there are so many models out there that we are waiting for at the moment that one more aint going to hurt. ;)

Ascot

[Martin Bull]

I agree - the Barkhorn 190 is so very good that I'm quite prepared to sit back and wait for the others.....

[CFBC]

Yeah - Relax guys.....Ive bought a number os AA's and stuff from China and the Far East and eventually they arrive..... :)

I just don't buy DVD's from them now!!! Normally always copies!!! Except from CD-Wow, but from Evilbay.... I stay clear!!

As for AA's and Dragons..... I hope they ain't copies!!!

Another Lofty Enterprise dodgey dealing...... :p

[Agent X20]

It will come...

Meantime get Syster Grabbitt and Overspay into action.. dodgy dealings my ****...

[Lofty]

I'd get 'em to sort ya dodgy keyboard out first Agent :D

[Agent X20]

Too right but that nasty CFBC is mockin our entreprenurial effort.. well yours anyway... :D :D :D

[Lofty]

Hostile takeover???? :p

[fatalbert]

Although i still haven't had any reply from Cyber-Hobby (4 days and counting) to my e-mail asking for confirmation of my order status for the 'Graf' & 'Rudel' Fw 190's,there was at least some action today when i discovered they had charged my card for my order.

Hopefully (fingers and all toes crossed) this is an indication that they might be on the way.

Well i live in hope. :rolleyes:

[Martin Bull]

Either that, or they've all gone down the pub..... :rolleyes:

[Agent X20]

Hostile takeover???? :p

I see.. I thought we was mates.. just cos I keep postin up pickies of Mrs Lofty in her wet T Shirt.... ni**les prodrudin....

Matron.. cold shower please....

[Lofty]

Would i do that to you me ol' Green Finned Demon?
And for all you "jap crap" fans we demand bigger nips from Agent X20
MB Probably spending their ill gotten gains....
Fatalbert is that fat albert? :rolleyes:
Or fatal bert? :eek:

[fatalbert]

Would i do that to you me ol' Green Finned Demon?
And for all you "jap crap" fans we demand bigger nips from Agent X20
MB Probably spending their ill gotten gains....
Fatalbert is that fat albert? :rolleyes:
Or fatal bert? :eek:


It's Fat Albert as in the nickname for the C-130,because i am neither fat (don't listen to her indoors) or called Albert.

More news on the Cyber-hobby front.

E-mail finally recieved from them today confirming my order for the 'Graf' & 'Rudel' 190's.

The e-mail said that credit cards will only be debited when models are despatched,so as mine was debited a couple of days ago,this hopefully means that they are on the way. :)

Watch this space

[Lofty]

Thankyou for clearing that up "fatty" :D
Fingers crossed on the 190's then...... :cool:

[CBR9]

Latest email for me from Cyber Hobby, claiming that they are going to be shipped early next week. But then they charged my credit card 6 weeks ago,
and a previous email stated they had shipped, and would contact the courier service for a tracking number. I have already started a charge back claim with my credit card. If the charge shows on your monthly statement, and you don't have confirmed shipping, I'd start the charge back process to protect yourself.
Seems the internet/mail order places wake up when contacted by MC/Visa.

[minter]

oh well.. that put me right off :(

[Agent X20]

It's Fat Albert as in the nickname for the C-130,because i am neither fat (don't listen to her indoors) or called Albert.

More news on the Cyber-hobby front.

E-mail finally recieved from them today confirming my order for the 'Graf' & 'Rudel' 190's.

The e-mail said that credit cards will only be debited when models are despatched,so as mine was debited a couple of days ago,this hopefully means that they are on the way. :)

Watch this space

Methinks Fatal Bert that you may have a wait.... that was nearly a month ago that I received confirmation...

[The Defiant Man]

My card was debited shortly after order, still not arrived :(

The web site is now for ordering and being placed on a waiting list... :confused:

[Agent X20]

Just wonder what a waiting list would be.... they have taken everyones money...

[Agent X20]

Anyone any further forward here...?

[CFBC]

Not me.... :(

[spock1]

:confused: Were you dealng with a UK retailer then I believe credit card transactions are supposed to be processed within 3 DAYS of payment being taken. In other words you pay for your item, card transaction processed and item posted out within said timescale.......... :cool:

Not sure on position with overseas sellers but sounds very much as if orders and payments being taken before goods in stock and smacks of dodgy dealing in the extreme!!! Time me thinks to get a little more worldly wise and/or get onto your CC companies!!......... :rolleyes:

[CFBC]

Spock1....

Chinese dealer to be honest and they atre connected with Dragon also.... In some way... It's a Limited 500 piece edition, so we will see what becomes and shows-up me thinks...... Gulp....

[Agent X20]

Ah well sent them the first of no doubt a few emails..!

[fatalbert]

The Dragon web-site is now showing images of the ' Graf ' & ' Rudel ' FW 190's.

The images are clickable links which take you to Cyber-hobby for customers to go on the waiting list.

Dont know wether to get excited by this as they have been showing pic's of 'The Lord is my shepherd ' P-51D for god knows how long,with no sign of it appearing anytime soon. :confused:

[guignol1971]

I've seen it !!!!!!!
But on pictures only....from someone who received it...
So I tell you my friend : It exist !! :p
Martin from TFM make these pictures...
Thanks to him !!!



http://www.modelhangar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3075#post3075

[guignol1971]

Froggy, Alain !!

Bonne nouvelle, non ? :)
Bientot le Graf j'espère !! :)

[Agent X20]

Excitable lot, these French chappies......!!! :D :D :D

[guignol1971]

Excitable lot, these French chappies......!!! :D :D :D

After two months...It surprises me that I'm still alive !!! :D
Don't you ? :D

[Agent X20]

No us British, we have the stiff upper lip and no trembling of lip is allowed..!!!

None of this ooh la la stuff here..!!!

[guignol1971]

No us British, we have the stiff upper lip and no trembling of lip is allowed..!!!

None of this oh la la stuff here..!!!

Just a moment please...I'm looking in my dictionnary for a good translation... :rolleyes:

[guignol1971]

Ok I've got it...
It's with a cup of tea in your hand with the little finger up ?
Or maybe a pint of beer ? :D :D
No offense, I know it's a cliché, but I imagine you like this, waiting for your model !! :D ;)

[spock1]

None of this oh la la stuff here..!!!

:D Agent............I think its 'ooh la la!'........ ;)

[Agent X20]

Ok I've got it...
It's with a cup of tea in your hand with the little finger up ?
Or maybe a pint of beer ? :D :D
No offense, I know it's a cliché, but I imagine you like this, waiting for your model !! :D ;)

Yes you have it.. Mr Roastbeef is sitting here with his cup of Earl Grey tea.. little finger at the ready awaiting his delivery of the Boche Fockes..!!! :D :D :D

[guignol1971]

Yes you have it.. Mr Roastbeef is sitting here with his cup of Earl Grey tea.. little finger at the ready awaiting his delivery of the Boche Fockes..!!! :D :D :D

Ready to call the old HMS Belfast, to make the blockus of CH at HK... :D :D :D
Hope you'll get your model quickly... :)

[Agent X20]

I will, as promised inform you the very moment it is delivered... hope its not next week as I am on holiday...

Good idea that.. send in a gunboat.... :D

Credit Card Bill came today........ :(

[Agent X20]

So chaps .. does one pay the credit card bill then argue.. or argue first....

Cheers..

[tsr2]

I've just got home from work to find the first of my orders from cyber-hobby (Fw-190D-9) has arrived. Up to Dragons normal high standards. For fans of certificates, the Dragon one's are like a plastic credit card.

One down, one A-5 to go :) .

[CFBC]

Wicked.... TSr2... U UK or USA based mate?

[tsr2]

Wicked.... TSr2... U UK or USA based mate?

UK. Should update my location as I've statted to post.

[CFBC]

Lets all keep our fingers crossed for a prompt delivery and as for the certificate too... Wicked...

Detailing good Tsr2?

[tsr2]

Detailing's excellent. On par with the "Dora". Dragon's pad printing is second to none.

[CFBC]

Wow - I am getting excited even now and to make it worse ive found this!!!!

Tsr2..... YOU TEASE... :p

Wet pants time Lofty........... Do you know where Tsr2 lives?

[Lofty]

Nurse get me the dried frog pills !
Bl**dy well missed Parceline delivery today....Firkin bet it was them there FW190's........ :mad:
Will be sat by the letterbox all day tomorrow :D

[CFBC]

Lofty. Bet yer a fiver it ain't these!! ;)

[Lofty]

They come ordinary post then?

[CFBC]

Dunno, not got mine as yet.....

See another thread for what I got!! ;)

[Lofty]

oh, you mean the Rudel one!
Was that via bog standard post then?

[CFBC]

Been wattching a few of the "Graf" auctions on the vilebay and looking around some of the retailers sites and have to say that it is now starting to command a respectable value......

A fine looking piece it is too though... :)

Graf (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/html/50101.html)

[Agent X20]

Blout blo*dy time too.. you treadheads been having too much of things yer own way... :D :D

[mossie]

Do any of you guys have a graf 190 that you may consider swapping for something of equal value have decided to scale down the corgis and collect a few more dragon and matchbox
Mossie

[Agent X20]

Depends on the piccie of Mrs Mossie..!!!!

[mossie]

:p all i will say to you agent is Marina Aqua Marina and if you have a graf she will come complete with a fishtail,oh yes and a model of your choice
MOSSIE:p :p

[Agent X20]

Dont beat about her bush... show us the piccies... and a Graf is yours.....:D

[mossie]

how did you know my name was HERR BUSH
GIZ A GRAF
Mossie