The Gaincorp SU47 Berkut - does it come with a stand ?

[mbv]

As this is a fairly big model and I have limited shelf space it will need a stand so that it can hover above some of the smaller models. Can anyone confirm if it has a stand in the box, or can we buy Gaincorp stands seperately ?

[davidwford]

I presume it doesn't come with a stand, none of the other Gaincorp models do.

[mbv]

That's what I figured having bought a couple of their Flankers, but I am sure I saw the Berkut on a stand in a piccie of the box cover and model somewhere on one of the diecast websites. I wonder if Gaincorp have a range of separate stands we are not aware of like the Witty stands ?

[The1CeMAN]

That's what I figured having bought a couple of their Flankers, but I am sure I saw the Berkut on a stand in a piccie of the box cover and model somewhere on one of the diecast websites. I wonder if Gaincorp have a range of separate stands we are not aware of like the Witty stands ?

Yes i have seen it with a stand as well:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Su-47-S-37-Berkut-1-72-Gaincorp-diecast-Luxury-Pack_W0QQitemZ180058706564QQihZ008QQcategoryZ45347 QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

According to this person selling it it does come with a stand.

[mbv]

I eventually succumbed to the inevitable and bought one of these from Aces High Collectables here in the UK, a very friendly and helpful diecast seller by the way. They said the stands appear to come with a special Far Eastern packaging of the model and are not available in the west.

Also of interest they said that high metal prices are responsible for putting up the price of models with metal stands and this is particularly noticeable in the Corgi 2007 price increases.

[Agent X20]

... so theres an E Bay link to a dealer seeling the model for $24.95.. thats £12... but you could spend $61 getting it posted here...

.. and a UK dealer selling the model for £31.99 with £7 postage...:roll: wheres the stratching yer bonce snowman..??

[mbv]

Maybe some of you are happy buying from Hong Kong via Ebay, not me though! Aces High were selling the model for £31 with £5.31 postage. Even if I got the Hong Kong model at the air mail rate the saving would be a negligible £3.91 but if it got "lost in the post" or arrived damaged from HK I would have a lot more expense and hassle sorting it out. Personally I prefer to support a specialist UK dealer I trust and who I can contact immediately if something goes wrong.

[The1CeMAN]

... so theres an E Bay link to a dealer seeling the model for $24.95.. thats £12... but you could spend $61 getting it posted here...

.. and a UK dealer selling the model for £31.99 with £7 postage...:roll: wheres the stratching yer bonce snowman..??

i was just showing that there is a gaincorp su-47 with a stand, nothing else!
wasn't suggesting he get it from that ebay seller.

[The1CeMAN]

Maybe some of you are happy buying from Hong Kong via Ebay, not me though! Aces High were selling the model for £31 with £5.31 postage. Even if I got the Hong Kong model at the air mail rate the saving would be a negligible £3.91 but if it got "lost in the post" or arrived damaged from HK I would have a lot more expense and hassle sorting it out. Personally I prefer to support a specialist UK dealer I trust and who I can contact immediately if something goes wrong.

same here, i don't like buying from abroad, but sometimes due to the lack of some models here you have to (eg cyberhobby dragon's)

[Agent X20]

i was just showing that there is a gaincorp su-47 with a stand, nothing else!
wasn't suggesting he get it from that ebay seller. Sorry .. wasnt insinuating anything.. just the ridiculous variance in the prices of diecast... happens across all brands...:blush:

[mbv]

same here, i don't like buying from abroad, but sometimes due to the lack of some models here you have to (eg cyberhobby dragon's)

Agreed on that and I do buy from Europe (France, Germany, and particularly Spain for Altaya models).

We always seem to get shafted in the UK on imports and the price variance can be significant. As Agent X20 pointed out though the cost of shipping the items in usually ruins any saving we might make. For me it would have to be something extremely rare or difficult to find to make me want to pay over the odds for shipping.

[davidwford]

I eventually succumbed to the inevitable and bought one of these

mbv, you didn't say what you thought of the model. Is it as good as the Flankers?

[mbv]

Not arrived yet, will post up a short review and piccies when it does.

[davidwford]

Cheers, could be just the Xmas pressie I need.:grin:

[The1CeMAN]

Sorry .. wasnt insinuating anything.. just the ridiculous variance in the prices of diecast... happens across all brands...:blush:
no need to apologise, just explaining myself.

[mbv]

DAMN! -ohmy- -mad-

My wife got back home before me and noticed the familiar box of my trusted diecast dealer. She has wrapped the box and put it under the Christmas Tree !! Arrrrrrgh, the temptation is killing me, I need to caress that lovely Berkut -biggrin- I guess abstinance from diecast pleasures will be good for my soul for the next three weeks, but still, sheesh.

Sorry guys, no pics till Christmas!

[davidwford]

Just not acceptable mbv. When she has gone out, get it unwrapped, photographed and wrapped again. You know it makes sense...:grin:

[Agent X20]

DAMN! - and put it under the Christmas Tree !! ! hellfire .. you've got yours up early..

I suppose I had better retrieve ours from the loft, before Mrs :mad Agent does..:ohmy: :ohmy: think its buried under a pile of diecast..:oo:

[mbv]

Just not acceptable mbv. When she has gone out, get it unwrapped, photographed and wrapped again. You know it makes sense...:grin:

I know, I know.... but (and this is typical of female deviousness in my experience) she claims she has slipped another pressie in with the model so I cannot spoil the surprise. I can't tell if she is just kidding me along or not as I don't know what the original size of the box was when it arrived. Arrrrggggghhhh - only 17 days and 10 hours to go - Bah humbug :tongue:

[davidwford]

Couldn't wait any longer, caved in and ordered one of the bay. Should be landing sometime next week.:smile:

[mbv]

Make sure you get to your package first -ohmy- Post up some pics so that I can see what I will be getting in errr about 13 days 2hours and 59 minutes or so :mad

[mbv]

I have seen various figures bandied about for the total units released for this model which range from only 240 to 650. Anyone got an official figure on units manufactured as I assumed this was NOT a limited edition.

[japadvan]

Hi all, Merry Xmas,

Was given the all black Berkut for Crimbo yesterday.

Not out of box yet, but very nice looking model, looks a cross between a Raptor and an F29 (swept forward wings.)

Will look great alongside the Flanker.


Regardski,

Japski.

[davidwford]

Will look great alongside the Flanker.

Yes it certainly does, got mine with SU-27, SU-32 Strike Flanker and SU-33 Sea Flanker. Quite a formidable display.

[mbv]

Just opened mine yesterday too and put it on the shelf with the other flankers and IXO/Altaya soviet WWII aircraft. Makes a very nice addition to the collection in that black paint scheme. One of the best models I bought this year.

[japadvan]

Hi All,

Attached is a photo of my new Berkut.

Please peruse and pull to pieces, and if any kind soul can translate the Russian I would be grateful (probably says "Big B****** " as it dwarfs all Western jets in same scale.)

Had to admit on first seeing it, thought it was 1/48 scale!

Canards, ailerons and rudders moveable.

Regards,

Jap.

[The Defiant Man]

Thanks for the pic, Jap. Looks good & I shall will be getting it soon.

I thought the same whenI first saw the size of Gaincorp's earlier Sukhoi models......massive....

[zed550]

saw one at donington and yes they are big
not a bad model but simplified in places and the markings seem to be a combination of decal and pad

[planejunky]

I got the Gaincorp Su-34 Strike Flanker for Crimbo and agree the combination of decal and pad printed markings was an odd one. The Witty Su-27 however suffers with no such vices and is simply superb!

The Su-34 is the first Gaincorp model I've ever owned, and I'm pretty impressed apart from the way the weapons have be attached. They're simply slung on without any concideration for whether they're on straight, and for me it spoils the look of an otherwise very nice model.

Now we need the export two seat Su-30MK Flanker in which the Indian AF soundly thrashed both US Navy F-18's, and RAF Tornado F3's in a recent exercise!

[The1CeMAN]

the landing gear on the su-47 does look a little flimsy though, but overall a very nice model.
What i really want now is a su-37 with moveable nozzles! hmmmm........
hopefully someone will produce one.

[planejunky]

the landing gear on the su-47 does look a little flimsy though, but overall a very nice model.
What i really want now is a su-37 with moveable nozzles! hmmmm........
hopefully someone will produce one.

With Gaincorp it maybe a possibility, as like the Su-47 the Su-37 "Terminator" was only a prototype. I'm pretty sure the 37 crashed, and the thrust vectoring technology was abandoned for the Flanker as it was deemed a little pointless on such a manoeuverable jet anyway.

[The1CeMAN]

but doesnt the su-30MK have thrust vectoring nozzles?

[japadvan]

the landing gear on the su-47 does look a little flimsy though, but overall a very nice model.
What i really want now is a su-37 with moveable nozzles! hmmmm........
hopefully someone will produce one.

The undercarriage is as tough as anything else available, or did you mean it looks a little spartan? I was wondering if there were details omitted, like the guard on the nosewheel to stop debris being kicked up.

Regards,

Jap

[mbv]

Straight out of the box the white nose cone on mine fell off due to poor factory glueing :eek: but was easily glued back on. Also the little black backup pitot head just behind the nose cone was bent in the box . The sticky plastic holding the cockpit shut in the box also smears the cockpit glass when it is removed, but can be cleaned up.

Other than these minor glitches it is a very accurate model in terms of detailing and paint scheme etc when compared with the many photographs in the volume Sukhoi S-37 and Mikoyan MFI: Russian Fifth-Generation Fighter Technology Demonstrators by Yefim Gordon (Red Star Vol.1, Midland Publishing, 2001) . There are only some very minor small single letters/numbers missing from the upper surface compared with the real aircraft. There is certainly nothing structural missing on the model which can be seen on the real thing. The undercarriage detail is complete and is certainly as sturdy as on the other Gaincorp Ruussian models.

[japadvan]

Mbv.................

Apparently mine survived being carried round MZ at Lakeside in search of an elusive box!!!!!!

You had a Friday afternoon one, by the sound of it..........

(Oh......that's what the plastic on the canopy is for!)

Regards,

Jap.

[The1CeMAN]

My berkut arrived as well and boy is it huge! It dwarfs my tomcats which i thought were pretty big.
But there some detail missing, like the turbines inside the air intakes, usually other manufacturers include them but no worries, only minor.
Also are all sukhoi's this big? because i have a picture of the su-47 with two other flankers (i think a su-27 and a su-30) and they are roughly the same size.
here's the pic:

[planejunky]

but doesnt the su-30MK have thrust vectoring nozzles?

It would appear so yes, hence why it beat the living sh!te out of the F-15C, F/A-18, and Tornado F3. Surprisingly The Su-30MK hasn't even been modelled in plastic kit form, so a diecast version would have a real niche at the moment.

The Su-37 prototype did crash, but there's obviously some duff gen about the thrust vectoring system, or I could have been thinking of the MiG-29!

[The1CeMAN]

It would appear so yes, hence why it beat the living sh!te out of the F-15C, F/A-18, and Tornado F3. Surprisingly The Su-30MK hasn't even been modelled in plastic kit form, so a diecast version would have a real niche at the moment.

The Su-37 prototype did crash, but there's obviously some duff gen about the thrust vectoring system, or I could have been thinking of the MiG-29!
The su-30MK also has the front carnards right? so im guessing that there is no major difference between the su-37 and the su-30MK.
I would love for someone to release a su-30MK diecast, hopefully someone will do it real soon.
I have seen some plastic su-30mk's but they didnt look to good, they were probably just normal flankers with the relevent decals lol.

[planejunky]

The Su-30MK is a two seater though, whereas the Su-37 was a single seater. The Su-30 is a two seat long range interceptor based upon the Su-27UB. The initial attack variant is the Su-30M, and doesn't have the canards, however the Su-30MK is an export version with all the bells and whistles, canards, thrust vectoring, and glass cockpit etc.

While the Su-27 was built as an answer to the F-15C, the Su-30MK is broadly and equivalent to the F-15E Strike Eagle in capability, and able to carry the full range of air to air and air to ground ordinance. I would be very worried if my enemy had Su-30MK's in their inventory!

It's doing pretty well for Sukhoi, but the Russian AF just can't afford to buy them, and will have 50+ Su-34 "Fullback" Flankers instead, but these won't all be delivered until 2015!

Checkout the Su-30MK here. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0420187/L/

[The1CeMAN]

The Su-30MK is a two seater though, whereas the Su-37 was a single seater. The Su-30 is a two seat long range interceptor based upon the Su-27UB. The initial attack variant is the Su-30M, and doesn't have the canards, however the Su-30MK is an export version with all the bells and whistles, canards, thrust vectoring, and glass cockpit etc.

While the Su-27 was built as an answer to the F-15C, the Su-30MK is broadly and equivalent to the F-15E Strike Eagle in capability, and able to carry the full range of air to air and air to ground ordinance. I would be very worried if my enemy had Su-30MK's in their inventory!

It's doing pretty well for Sukhoi, but the Russian AF just can't afford to buy them, and will have 50+ Su-34 "Fullback" Flankers instead, but these won't all be delivered until 2015!

Checkout the Su-30MK here. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0420187/L/

Lol i heard that china is getting 30 su-30mkk's.

[planejunky]

Lol i heard that china is getting 30 su-30mkk's.

There are also plans for a possible upgrade of their Su-27 Fleet.

[parsig9]

FYI fellas, the Berkut sits well on the Witty F-15 stand as seen here.
I tried it for some of the same reasons you were discussing regarding space.

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l186/parsig9/IMG_1235.jpg

[11SQNLDR]

That's good to know - it's quite a big beastie so methinks i'll order a spare F-15 stand:cool:

[b-huj]

I think I still have a Witty F-15 stand somwhere...

Just in case this thing hasn't been clarified: there are usually more than 1 version for most Gaincorp releases of "international" airframes: one for the int'l market, with the window-box, and no stand; another is the chinese market version, no window on the box, mostly chinese description of what's inside, WITH a stand (probably no sign of "Gaincorp" anywhere)...and usually more expensive than the international release. Must be a tax issue, not so much because of the stand.

With landing gears glued and deployed...who cares for a "inflight"display (except when space is at a premium...but you'd chose to do that with models that can be displayed inflight with bay doors closed!)

What bothers me about the Gaincorp Su-47 gears is that they're actually repesented in the "decompressed" stance, meaning the aircraft IS actually airborne and NOT sitting on them...so, in this particular case, a stand would be handy. It looks as it's tip-toeing diplayed side-by-side other 1/72 models! Oh, and the outward cant of the tailfins was not exactly at the same angle on the two fins, blowdryer and a metal ruler (wrapped in cloth) helped "spread out" the one that was too straight.

[ETOPS]

picture shows a gaincorp stand