Hobbymaster 1/48th Scale Spitfires

[Agent X20]

From the Tiger Hobbies stand this Huntingdon, were two HobbyMaster pre-pros that no one seems to so far have mentioned...:confused:

Personally feel that this is the tightest piece of diecast seen for a long time and could rekindle the quarterscale fortunes... something about giving the punter what they want...:D

Apologies for the photos... courtesy of Nokia and many loose bits on the models........:D

Before you all start lambasting the panel lines or the shade of grey.. these are very much pre-production models.. looked okay to me.... in fact... very sexy... ding dong....

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/AgentX20/rubbish/Spitfire3.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/AgentX20/rubbish/Spitfire2.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/AgentX20/rubbish/Spitfire1.jpg

[johnnyboy]

From the Tiger Hobbies stand this Huntingdon, were two HobbyMaster pre-pros that no one seems to so far have mentioned...:confused:

Personally feel that this is the tightest piece of diecast seen for a long time and could rekindle the quarterscale fortunes... something about giving the punter what they want...:D

Apologies for the photos... courtesy of Nokia and many loose bits on the models........:D

Before you all start lambasting the panel lines or the shade of grey.. these are very much pre-production models.. looked okay to me.... in fact... very sexy... ding dong....

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/AgentX20/rubbish/Spitfire3.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/AgentX20/rubbish/Spitfire2.jpg

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/AgentX20/rubbish/Spitfire1.jpg

Thanks for that Agent I only wish I do 1/48! Both low back and high and C and E wings looks like hobbymaster has thought this one out well

[DannyBoy76]

Very nice! Detachable gun covers hmm? Hope HobbyMaster's parts department gets a few extra in stock...

How did the dihedral look on these Agent?

[sniperUK]

I don't do 1/48th,I don't do 1/48th,I don't do ...............oh sod it :) bring them on:D :D

[shuttle]

They look very nice - HM could be onto a winner here!

I wonder if it is possible to drop them down to 1/72 scale at a later date (CAD drawings and the new tooling equipment now available should make it possible) as I would like to see the Buffalo available as well as the later mark Spitfire.

HM seem to be taking over from Corgi as the market leader........

:) Shuttle

[Agent X20]

Very nice! Detachable gun covers hmm? Hope HobbyMaster's parts department gets a few extra in stock...

How did the dihedral look on these Agent?

It was pointed out in no uncertain terms that this will have the correct amount of dihedral as did the pre-pros..... I believe from Mr Ford a figure of 7 degrees was mentioned... not 6 or 8.. but 7..! - really nice that people are listening..

It had that certain effect well described by Mr Sniper... instant lust... (but of course no where near as sexy as a P 51..:LOL: :LOL: :p )

..........and to be fair.. its the right sort of size.. and in a box not that much bigger than a 1/72 pooch fighter jobbie..:eek:

(There was mention of a scale shift to 1/72... but no dates... thing is the US market is quarter scale.. but evidently the UK one is much larger..)

[col]

When ???? Please, by Christmas :D

[shuttle]

Agent 20,

Thanks for the information and it is good to see new products on the way that might actually be interesting. I am looking forward to the Corgi Vampire but if it is more money then a 1/48 Brewster Buffalo then count me out....

Any release dates mentioned?

:) Shuttle

[Agent X20]

No release dates were mentioned .. but its the next 1/48th in line..

[Cardinal]

I believe that the intended release date for the HobbyMaster Mk. XIV Spitfire is in the vicinity of September :unsure:. If they continue the trend started with their Brewster Buffalo this is likely to be a fine piece of diecast :D.

[planejunky]

September? Cool, I have my birthday around then hint hint, and I'll have the high back Spit thanks!!! :D

[Agent Carr]

Fantastic another Spitfire just what the diecast market needs. Can the manufactures not come up with something original. As a casting it looks nice. A pity cant get there 1/72 models looking that good.

[shuttle]

Agent Carr,

I don't think that that mark of Spitfire has been produced in diecast in 1/48 scale. It is therefore original. Also, being a bigger scale means that potentially more detail can be added?

:D Shuttle

[Agent Carr]

Agent Carr,

I don't think that that mark of Spitfire has been produced in diecast in 1/48 scale. It is therefore original. Also, being a bigger scale means that potentially more detail can be added?

:D Shuttle

More diecast Spits being produced now than during the war! Would have been nice if it was a big Jug, Fw190 or Hurricane something different. No doubt it will be nice it just doesn't get me excited.

[kevjb64]

They look great and will get one of each but would buy a lot more than that in 1:72 . ;) :)

[Agent X20]

.. definitely keeps the battle of the scales alive..

Have an affection for quarterscale.. think it was something to do with those lovely Monogram kits.:D .. its a nice size for fighters.. sorta that 6x6 footprint..:wacko:

[Seafire47]

Much as I love the Spitfire I've never bought one in 1/72 as to me they're too small and represent poor value for money compared to other castings. I've always felt that 1/48 was just the right scale for single engine fighters and these look as though they're going to be excellent. Does it bother me that they're a new scale? Not a bit!!!:)

[sniperUK]

Just need 22s/24s and FR46/47 Seafires now:D :D (and all repeated in 1/72nd please)

[Agent X20]

Much as I love the Spitfire I've never bought one in 1/72 as to me they're too small and represent poor value for money compared to other castings. I've always felt that 1/48 was just the right scale for single engine fighters and these look as though they're going to be excellent. Does it bother me that they're a new scale? Not a bit!!!:) Think the intention is to get them around the Buffalo price mark.. so its HM at 1/48 at <£30 or Pooch at 1/72 at >£30.. think shares in Armor just went up.. :D

[eismeer]

I've never bought anything in 1/48 scale though this would not bother me as i have models in various scales.

If it looks good i would buy one, clipped wing one looks very nice.

[planejunky]

More diecast Spits being produced now than during the war! Would have been nice if it was a big Jug, Fw190 or Hurricane something different.


Fw-190, Hurricane and Jug different? Have you been sleeping off the medication again AC? :rolleyes:

The market has a few Spitfires yes, but until recently there hasn't been a really decent one. I like many welcome a model of the mighty Griffon engined XIV. :cool:

[Dutchie]

Thanks for the pictures AgentX20:cool:
Selling all my diecast and start with 1/48:D :)

[kevjb64]

Think the intention is to get them around the Buffalo price mark.. so its HM at 1/48 at <£30 or Pooch at 1/72 at >£30.. think shares in Armor just went up.. :D

They will do very well to hit that mark as looks a fair bit bigger than the £ 23 - £ 26 buffalo , here's hoping though .:) I know its all personal but not that impressed with the buffalo I saw , looks a bit cheap .

[kevjb64]

Fw-190, Hurricane and Jug different? Have you been sleeping off the medication again AC? :rolleyes:

The market has a few Spitfires yes, but until recently there hasn't been a really decent one. I like many welcome a model of the mighty Griffon engined XIV. :cool:

Yes something to look forward to no doubt , would like to see a few large scale Hurricane's though 1:48 , 1:35 , 1:18 etc . Armour's 1:48 offering is just awful , and Corgi's 1:32 not too much to shout about.:(

[Agent X20]

They will do very well to hit that mark as looks a fair bit bigger than the £ 23 - £ 26 buffalo , here's hoping though .:) I know its all personal but not that impressed with the buffalo I saw , looks a bit cheap ... ...would like to see them creep in at under £30.. (Buffalo certainly an oddball to go for but I thought they both looked okay for the money..)

[kevjb64]

.. ...would like to see them creep in at under £30.. ( Buffalo certainly an oddball to go for but I thought they both looked okay for thye money..

Yep thats the issue , it looks like a model that costs about £ 20 , at that scale personally I would be prepared to pay a bit more and have it look better .:)

[Agent X20]

Yep thats the issue , it looks like a model that costs about £ 20 , :).. sheet.. that makes a pooch Spitfire worth about 3/6.. I spent a good time on Sunday looking at both the Buffalo models and at the £25 (day one money) I thought they were good value .. in two totally differing schemes - one mans meat.... its not a particularily glamerous plane ....perhaps after 10 pints ( of creme de menthe..) it would look 'sexy' to Agent C..:D :D :D

[kevjb64]

.. sheet.. that makes a pooch Spitfire worth about 3/6.. I spent a good time on Sunday looking at both the Buffalo models and at the £25 (day one money) I thought they were good value .. in two totally differing schemes - one mans meat.... its not a particularily glamerous plane ....perhaps after 10 pints ( of creme de menthe..) it would look 'sexy' to Agent C..:D :D :D

Maybe but without making comparisons between scale / manufacturer / price the buffalo looks a bit cheap / tacky IMPO .:) But as you rightly say something's down to different taste etc .

Taking another manufacturer as an example , I brought an Armour 1:48 B-17 and thought it was very good ( did not pay SRP granted ) but their hurricane ( once again not paying SRP ) looks carp .

[uksubs]

Thx for posting the pics Agent X20;)
Iam rearly looking forward to this two planes & there look great next to my Carousel 1 Fw 190D:)
I think Hobbymaster will do well with this range with all the diffferent paint jobs you can do - silver spitfire , Mk18 , & a PR spitfire will be well cool

[hworth18]

Great pics Agent, and a big thanks for posting them....:D
I have been eagerly awaiting the pre-pro pics of the MkXIV and I think they will be a nice addition to my 1/48 collection..;)

[The Defiant Man]

They look good and will no doubt be popular......not for me in 1/48 though....

[P51D]

It was pointed out in no uncertain terms that this will have the correct amount of dihedral as did the pre-pros..... I believe from Mr Ford a figure of 7 degrees was mentioned... not 6 or 8.. but 7..! - really nice that people are listening..

It had that certain effect well described by Mr Sniper... instant lust... (but of course no where near as sexy as a P 51..:LOL: :LOL: :p )

..........and to be fair.. its the right sort of size.. and in a box not that much bigger than a 1/72 pooch fighter jobbie..:eek:

(There was mention of a scale shift to 1/72... but no dates... thing is the US market is quarter scale.. but evidently the UK one is much larger..)

Thanks for pics and info Agent.

Like many others i do not collect 1:48.........or should i say didn't :)

One of each of these for me judging by the look of the pre-pro's.

[prune]

Those who say they dont collect 1/48 will find them hard to resist once they've seen a really good one,like Eagles Int. P-51s or the Carousel Me109s and Fw190s. And these Spits look like they are going to be really good:cool

[Angels one-five]

The prepros look good - I really like the lines of the MkXIV; however I won't be adding 1/48 to my diecast collection. Wish they were doing it in 1/72nd, then it would be a definite for me. I'm afraid that the only 1/48 that make it into my collection are plastic kits.

[Agent X20]

According to Mr F.. the 1/72 one will come... but..

....I liked it.. it had a good weight and a nice size... tell you for the money it will be very hard to resist.. I reckon a couple of those in a cabinet, spot lighting .. less is more...

[shuttle]

I will by one to assess the quality etc and have a late mark Spitfire. I was going to buy the Corgi S.E.5a as well this year so it will be nice to get another little collection going.

:) Shuttle

[uksubs]

I will by one to assess the quality etc and have a late mark Spitfire. I was going to buy the Corgi S.E.5a as well this year so it will be nice to get another little collection going.

:) Shuttle

Have you seen the carousel 1 fokker Dr 1 triplane ?

[shuttle]

Yep but the S.E5a and the Spitfire are the iconic aircraft for me from WWI and WWII. A 1/48 scale EE Lightning would be the icing on the cake!!

:D Shuttle

[Agent X20]

.. with removeable engine cover..:LOL:

I suppose a question to ask is .. do folks want removeable gun covers...? Quite frankly I would prefer the model without..

[kevjb64]

.. with removeable engine cover..:LOL:

I suppose a question to ask is .. do folks want removeable gun covers...? Quite frankly I would prefer the model without..

I tend to agree , some of these features on the Corgi 1:32 and GMP 1:35 are more trouble than they are worth IMPO .:)

[shuttle]

It depends what is underneath them. A fully detailed gun bay would look very good IMHO.

:) Shuttle

[Angels one-five]

According to Mr F.. the 1/72 one will come...

Fantastic! Where do I sign?:D :D :D

[hworth18]

.. with removeable engine cover..:LOL:

I suppose a question to ask is .. do folks want removeable gun covers...? Quite frankly I would prefer the model without..

Agreed.. I can do without the "loose bits" that can be lost over time.. I can also do without the moveable rudder/aileron combo as this just allows for more broken/falling off parts..;)

[Cardinal]

Agreed.. I can do without the "loose bits" that can be lost over time.. I can also do without the moveable rudder/aileron combo as this just allows for more broken/falling off parts..;)


I also agree - the less moving/loose parts the better. The EI P51B/Cs seem to have the right balance with only a removable engine cover and 'working' wing flaps (rudder/tail solid) :D.

[minter]

.. with removeable engine cover..:LOL:

I suppose a question to ask is .. do folks want removeable gun covers...? Quite frankly I would prefer the model without..

agree, just a slidy hood will do me

[Agent X20]

Seems that they are aware of the 'gun cover' issue but it may be a little late, ....thing is with this ( like panel lines) you aint gonna please all of the people all of the time... however am assured that on cat strafing missions a victory roll should not dislodge the covers....:cool:

[Agent X20]

Agent X20 file report.....

Marking will be the FR MK XIVe Johnnie Johnson in September 1945 Germany just after the war ...........the MK XIVc will be Sqn Ldr Newbury 610 1944 Sqn...

... suppose I had better go back to work...:D :D :D

[Cardinal]

Thanks for the updates Agent X20 - for a civvie bloke you're being downright collegial towards the warbirds mob ... :D

[Agent X20]

There's as much military stuff in the Agent Disposal Facility as there is civilian.. if certain manufacturers had'nt gone a bit rabid a couple of years ago, then I would no doubt still be collecting the things, civilian and military.. however there appeared a chink in the armour and other avenues were opened up.. if you are going to buy models then the most sensible way forward is to buy the best you possibly can for the money you have available... so Inflight/Herpa/Phoenix/Western/ took all my money and there wasnt any left to buy military stuff unless we were bottom feeding...:wacko:

.......however there is always a place for Reginalds finest and this IMHO is the best casting I have seen ... ....full stop.... ( and I've seen a lot of diecast and plastic attempts :( over the years..)

They were out at Huntingdon for the masses to comment on.. ....and if we can assist in anyway in bringing it to market then the hobby will flourish....

... hang on.... Agent teleprinter is firing up.....

Gather they are heading for £34.95 tops....:LOL:

...:eek: :eek: thats less than a Lysander..:eek: :eek:

[minter]

does it come with a cert

[prune]

does it come with a cert

Even if it dont it'll be a dead cert I'll be getting one:D

[kevjb64]

Agent X20 file report.....

Marking will be the FR MK XIVe Johnnie Johnson in September 1945 Germany just after the war ...........the MK XIVc will be Sqn Ldr Newbury 610 1944 Sqn...

... suppose I had better go back to work...:D :D :D

Here's hoping for the first accurate diecast JJ Spit . :)

[balbrick]

It will be a dead cert Iwill be getting both of them:D

[Cardinal]

Some pictures of the Mk. XVI (similar to XIV :D) at the War Memorial Museum in Auckland (aka Auckland Museum).

[Dutchie]

Nice pictures Cardinal!!!:cool:

[Agent X20]

does it come with a cert

I gather the question as to a certificate on the XIV's is still undecided.. the Yellow commissioned Harvard sans lines de panel is certificated and the captured Stuka may well be....

It's really down to you chaps I suppose to voice yer opinions as to whether you feel a cert is required...

Personally I hope they dont...

[Agent Carr]

There's as much military stuff in the Agent Disposal Facility as there is civilian.. if certain manufacturers had'nt gone a bit rabid a couple of years ago, then I would no doubt still be collecting the things, civilian and military.. however there appeared a chink in the armour and other avenues were opened up.. if you are going to buy models then the most sensible way forward is to buy the best you possibly can for the money you have available... so Inflight/Herpa/Phoenix/Western/ took all my money and there wasnt any left to buy military stuff unless we were bottom feeding...:wacko:

.......however there is always a place for Reginalds finest and this IMHO is the best casting I have seen ... ....full stop.... ( and I've seen a lot of diecast and plastic attempts :( over the years..)

They were out at Huntingdon for the masses to comment on.. ....and if we can assist in anyway in bringing it to market then the hobby will flourish....

... hang on.... Agent teleprinter is firing up.....

Gather they are heading for £34.95 tops....:LOL:

...:eek: :eek: thats less than a Lysander..:eek: :eek:

Price around £34.95 would be amazing. Less than a Lysander, Vampire and P38. Not a Spitfire fan but I do fancy one.

[CFBC]

See updated pictures on a later post. Thanks.

[CFBC]

See new later and updated post with pictures. Thanks.

[von hitchofen]

..the MK XIVc will be Sqn Ldr Newbury 610 Sqn,1944 ...

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/705d17da.jpg

oh god....I'm gonna have to have one!:eek: :D :cool:

[CFBC]

oh god....I'm gonna have to have one!:eek: :D :cool:

:D Nice ain't it.. Please, please remember that these are VERY EARLY pre-production versions and both Tiger Hobbies and Hobbymaster are aware that slight alterations are required to them.

Thanks :)

[Aviaction]

Have to say having seen both models on Sunday at close quarters, they looked excellent in pre-pro form. (as did the Buffalo):)

I am not so sure about the purple version in CFBC's pics ?:LOL:

[CFBC]

I am not so sure about the purple version in CFBC's pics ?:LOL:

:confused: Looks ok on my screen Avi... Must be your glasses. Those jamjars you wear. :D

[Aviaction]

:confused: Looks ok on my screen Avi... Must be your glasses. Those jamjars you wear. :D

HA! HA!:LOL:

except AX20's pics form Huntingdon taken on a cameraphone ( in SUPERMARIONATION sic.) look silver & gray, as on the day; and yet yours look decidely, well, kinda hippy mauve/purple tinged..:LOL:

Must be that moroccan red you've been a smokin'

[spinnaker987]

I don't collect 1:48, I don't collect 1:48, I don't collect 1:48, I don't collect 1:48, I don't collect 1:48, I don't collect 1:48, I don't collect 1:48....

(Maybe if I say it enough I'll convince myself I'm not going to get any of these ;-))

[CFBC]

Thank you to Tiger Hobbies and Hobbymaster for allowing us to photograph these pre-production versions due out in September and November.

Please be aware that these are pre-production samples and that they will alter from the production versions to be issued.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20AB%20Pre-pro/5b660d69.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20AB%20Pre-pro/db9e13c4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20AB%20Pre-pro/dd955c63.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20AB%20Pre-pro/63957b88.jpg

[shuttle]

CFBC,

Cheers - these look really promising.

:) Shuttle

[CFBC]

Please be aware that these are pre-production samples and that they will alter from the production versions to be issued.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/e63834ac.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/4c128a2c.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/af458567.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/377914ab.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/139d479b.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/a88fbba4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/b4ea48f9.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/2e42e78d.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20A%20Pre-pro/d281c5c6.jpg

[CFBC]

Please be aware that these are pre-production samples and that they will alter from the production versions to be issued.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/9f4ac217.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/53dd8285.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/dc17fd6d.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/7213f013.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/f3e01049.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/b8d2ffd2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/59ceee39.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/d36ab61c.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Spitfire%20B%20Pre-pro/5b7bfea6.jpg

[Agent X20]

... and for those of you on dial up.....:p :p :p :p

[hawkonevoodoo]

I asked Hobby Master if they could increase the detail especially around the cowling and other areas and they replied that the molds are already made and they will try to increase the detail in future versions. In other words, what you see for detail is what will be on the final production.

[shuttle]

Hawk,

It looks detailed enough to me - just reduce the weathering!!!

:D Shuttle

[Elmer]

While I visit regularly, this is only my second post. I feel compelled to give my thoughts on the upcoming HM Spitfire release (for what it is worht). I have been looking forward (like many of you) to this release since it was announced on Hawk's site. Keeping my fingers crossed for a highly detailed model (similar to the detail of EI's P-51), I eagerly awaited the first pre-production pictures. First, I must admit the pictures look exciting. But I must also admit I was terribly disappointed that HM did not include any rivet detail. Specifically, I think this model at this scale deserves cowling fastener / panel access fastener detail. If you look closely at pictures of the Spitfire, you will see that the fasteners are as prominent as panel lines.

Now I am not expecting every single rivet to be reproduced; rather, that would muddy a beautiful model. But why HM did not reproduce the prominent panel access fasterners is a mystery to me. There is incredible potential for detail at this scale that HM is not taking advantage of.

Finally, there is a lot of discussion about keeping the cost down. Personally, I believe that several months after purchase, it will be the detail of the model that will attract and hold attention, not the price that was paid.

I wish HM would go back and fix the mold to provide for the panel fasteners, even if this meant a delay in release. This iconic and beautiful aircraft deserves reproduction with the very best tender loving care to detail.

[CFBC]

Elemer,

Welcome to the Forum (well at least posting anyway). Always good to have someone new post, so don;t be shy and don't be easily offended. :)

Very interesting reading and taking onboard your commnets then do you mean something like what Eagles Int. (1/48th scale also) do with their releases:

See previous post here re my latest Eagles purchase (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showpost.php?p=97553&postcount=157)

Which will show you what I think you mean...

:)

[col]

Elmer - I can understand what you mean. There's a lot of metal in front of the cockpit and it does look a little bare. But:

- It probably is too late for HM to re-jig the mold.
- If the overall shape of the Spit is good (and for me the mkXIV styling is the big attraction) then I'll live with a little less detail.

I think overall it looks good and the camouflage should help add some character.

Perhaps HM could mitigate for any lack of mold detail by beefing up the level of airframe stencilling and markings (by which I don't mean replicating missing airframe panel lines)

[Agent X20]

This thread is a pain in the ar%e...

Can we please have smaller photos....

..........just as you start reading the next post, the bloomin thing jumps around all over the shop as it loads up the photos........:(

Totted it up 4.66 MB.......:( overkill..

[P51D]

This thread is a pain in the ar%e...

Can we please have smaller photos....

..........just as you start reading the next post, the bloomin thing jumps around all over the shop as it loads up the photos........:(

Totted it up 4.66 MB.......:( overkill..

Had the same problem Agent, takes a while even with broadband doesn't it?

Very nice pics though and one of them fills my 21" screen nicely at that resolution (now set up as my desktop) :D

Can't wait to get mine!

[Elmer]

Elemer,

Welcome to the Forum (well at least posting anyway). Always good to have someone new post, so don;t be shy and don't be easily offended. :)

Very interesting reading and taking onboard your commnets then do you mean something like what Eagles Int. (1/48th scale also) do with their releases:

See previous post here re my latest Eagles purchase (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showpost.php?p=97553&postcount=157)

Which will show you what I think you mean...

:)

Yes CFBC, exactly. I was hoping for a 1:48 Spitfire with something relatively equivalent to this level of detail. I believe GA did an excellent job with its Mk IX mold; at 1:72 I thought the positionable control surfaces and rivet detail were spectacular. Just think what HM could have done at 1:48. Don't get me wrong (I am not a Spitfire expert, just an admirer): the castings in the pictures look great; the two canopied versions are brilliant. Nevertheless, I believe that HM's vision with this mold is a bit short-sighted, and I lament that the detail that could have been there, won't be there. This mold will be the one for a long time and I don't want to regret what could have been.

Thanks for the welcome. And I am not easily offended so I will hang around!

[Elmer]

I think overall it looks good and the camouflage should help add some character.

Perhaps HM could mitigate for any lack of mold detail by beefing up the level of airframe stencilling and markings (by which I don't mean replicating missing airframe panel lines)

Yes I hope HM will beef up the stenciling, I agree this should help. It was suggested at the Model Hangar Forum that the cowling fasteners be pad printed. I am a bit skeptical. What do you all think of this idea?

[ZS-VAN]

Those pre-pros look good nonetheless. I wonder though whether there is the possibility of seeing the Mk XIV with the normal Spitfire side profile, i.e. without the teardrop canopy? :unsure: I really like the Mk XIIs and early Mk XIVs.

[uksubs]

Those pre-pros look good nonetheless. I wonder though whether there is the possibility of seeing the Mk XIV with the normal Spitfire side profile, i.e. without the teardrop canopy? :unsure: I really like the Mk XIIs and early Mk XIVs.

Bring on the Mk 21 Spitfire :D
ps i Know it got a different wing :p

[col]

Those pre-pros look good nonetheless. I wonder though whether there is the possibility of seeing the Mk XIV with the normal Spitfire side profile, i.e. without the teardrop canopy? :unsure: I really like the Mk XIIs and early Mk XIVs.

They are doing both versions:)

[ZS-VAN]

They are doing both versions:)

OH YES!!! :eek: That will be really nice! :cool :D

[CFBC]

Please find profile picture of the latest Spitfire MK.XIVe MV268JEJ, No,127 Wg, Soltau, Germany, May 1945 "Johnnie Jonhson" - HA7101.

Profile removed due to error by manufacturer.

[Agent X20]

look nice in 1/200....:D

[shuttle]

Even better in 1/72 scale....

:D Shuttle

[CFBC]

look nice in 1/200....:D

Oh no.. Look even better in 1/48th! ;) :cool :)

[hworth18]

Oh no.. Look even better in 1/48th! ;) :cool :)

Agreed...
One question though.. Did all the bubbletop XIVs have the camera port in the fuselage??? Seems strange for a fighter to have a recon camera window on it..:o

[prune]

Agreed...
One question though.. Did all the bubbletop XIVs have the camera port in the fuselage??? Seems strange for a fighter to have a recon camera window on it..:o

According to William Greens fighters, the last few of the first production run had bubble cockpits and full span wings but no cameras.
Then a separate batch of 430,designated F.R XIVE, were produced with bubble cockpit,clipped wings and camera.

[kevjb64]

Even better in 1/72 scale....

:D Shuttle

You've got my vote .:)

[hawkonevoodoo]

Please find profile picture of the latest Spitfire MK.XIVe MV268JEJ, No,127 Wg, Soltau, Germany, May 1945 "Johnnie Jonhson" - HA7101.

Somehow the wrong picture for the data. I pointed this out to Hobby Master that there was a mistake and they have removed it from their distributor/retailer's download site. New pictures with the correct JEJ on the plane will be made available soon. I'll post them on my site as soon as I get them.
Sorry for any confusion.

[sniperUK]

Hawk,how about this one:cool

http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=9257&d=1183912834

[ZS-VAN]

Even better in 1/72 scale....

:D Shuttle

Hear, hear!!! :D

[hawkonevoodoo]

Hawk,how about this one:cool

http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/attachment.php?attachmentid=9257&d=1183912834

It has already been one option that has been suggested to Hobby Master. One of about 100.

[Dutchie]

For a quick view

[ZS-VAN]

For a quick view

Nice one Dutchie! Very cool. :cool

[Spitful]

I have been waiting years for somebody to do a diecast of a Griffon engined Spitfire and to have both versions done is just iceing on the cake. The pre-pros look good enough to me that I ordered two "Johnsons" and one "Newbery". Told my wife (whom I love) that I just ordered one. Well Ihave two months to figure that one out.

[Dutchie]

I have been waiting years for somebody to do a diecast of a Griffon engined Spitfire and to have both versions done is just iceing on the cake. The pre-pros look good enough to me that I ordered two "Johnsons" and one "Newbery". Told my wife (whom I love) that I just ordered one. Well Ihave two months to figure that one out.

The NEWBERY!!!......a second one:cool:

[Spitful]

Dutchie what is your opinion? Do you think that these will be big sellers and a good idea to have a second one to sell or trade. I have always bought just one of everything in the past. But maybe it is time to change my way of thinking. I ordered the two "Johnsons" from two different dealers just to make sure I got one.

[jimbo]

Find Attached first production pictures

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/jamie9791/PC090034.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/jamie9791/PC090038.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/jamie9791/PC090056.jpg

[johnnyboy]

Find Attached first production pictures

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/jamie9791/PC090034.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/jamie9791/PC090038.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/jamie9791/PC090056.jpg

That looks pretty cool:cool: just need to give the rear canopy a wipe :)

[sniperUK]

I don't do 48th,I don't do 48th,I don't ......................when's it out:D :D

Very nice and the weathering looks perfect.

[kevjb64]

Agree with johnnyboy , the canopy cleaner would be on a charge :rolleyes: , that apart its a must have .:)

[Agent X20]

Pity that prop aint motorized... could do with a desk fan.. put it through the company ......written off after two years....:D

Looks bl**dy nice.....

[johnnyboy]

Cant see many complaining about panel lines with this one then! like Sniper I don't do 1/48 but I might make an exception for this:cool

[Red 2]

MUST RESIST....MUST RESIST..must resist

Can't resist...CAN'T RESIST.....CAN'T RESIST!:D

[von hitchofen]

MUST RESIST.CAN'T RESIST!:D

can just about resist - I want to see the highback DW-D XIV


....

does look good though

oh god!:D

[Martin Bull]

MUST RESIST....MUST RESIST..must resist

I can see that a few of us are going to struggle with our consciences when we finally get to see this one.....:(

[col]

I don't want to resist - it's a thing of sheer beauty and I want to take it to bed, er, put it on display:o

Without seeing it in the metal, can't comment on the overall build quality but judging by that propeller.....the blades look wafer thin...there won't be much to comment on.

[shuttle]

I have already cleared a space for one!!! 'Tis a pity that HM don't consider bringing it out in 1/72 scale (a bit of work on the CAD system?). They would sell faster then a Harry Potter book......

Bring it on.....

:D Shuttle

[charley]

I only do 1:72! ;)





Ohhhhhhhh feck.................WHENS IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[Red 2]

I only do 1:72! ;)





Ohhhhhhhh feck.................WHENS IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

I didn't do 1/48...:D

[Dutchie]

Dutchie what is your opinion? Do you think that these will be big sellers and a good idea to have a secound one to sell or trade. I have always bought just one of everything in the past. But maybe it is time to change my way of thinking. I ordered the two "Johnsons" from two dirrerent dealers just to make sure I got one.

Returned from holiday today and time to to enjoy this thread!
What a nice pics of the Spitfire Mk 14! Thanks:cool:
And Spitful, two a these are better than none:) I think this one will sell very good:)

[Spitful]

Returned from holiday today and time to to enjoy this thread!
What a nice pics of the Spitfire Mk 14! Thanks:cool:
And Spitful, two a these are better than none:) I think this one will sell very good:)

Dutchie looks like I better order the 2nd "Newbery" too. Thanks for the pics jimbo. The prop blades do look a little thin. But probably won't be that noticeable from most viewing angles. I would probably order a decal sheet to get some logos on the blades and some other small details. The only thing else to say is welcome to 1/48 scale guys. This is a great one to start with.

[von hitchofen]

I didn't do 1/48...:D

I'm sure I'm gonna need Carousel 1 Fw190D to go with it......:wacko:

[eismeer]

I'm sure I'm gonna need Carousel 1 Fw190D to go with it......:wacko:

Have looked at the Carousel 190's so many times and have to keep telling myself i don't need another scale/collection:D

Always hoped that Corgi would do one in 1/32 but i feel that is now a lost cause:(

[Agent X20]

Didnt that 190 end up being.. most favourite model ever... full stop in another forum, not a galaxy away from here..??:D

[eismeer]

Not only that, best aircraft of the Second World War, full stop:D

Whoooooops:eek: , shouldn't have said that in a Spitfire thread me thinks.

Look out, incoming:LOL: , is that Sailor on my six:unsure: :D

[johnnyboy]

Have looked at the Carousel 190's so many times and have to keep telling myself i don't need another scale/collection:D

Always hoped that Corgi would do one in 1/32 but i feel that is now a lost cause:(


I wish you lot would stop all this I don't do 1/48....... I don't do 1/48........ By the way How many 1/48 models can you get in a IKEA Deltof ?:unsure:

[von hitchofen]

fewer than you've decided to buy......

[johnnyboy]

fewer than you've decided to buy......

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

[eismeer]

I wish you lot would stop all this I don't do 1/48....... I don't do 1/48........ By the way How many 1/48 models can you get in a IKEA Deltof ?:unsure:

Think these will be very hard to resist when they hit the shelves:cool:

Oh well, 1/400, 1/200, 1/144, 1/100, 1/72 and 1/32, military and civil (not all displayed together mind, i do still have a few scrouples left:unsure: :D) already makes my collection a bit lopsided so i guess another scale 'aint gonna hurt none:wacko:

[hworth18]

Didnt that 190 end up being.. most favourite model ever... full stop in another forum, not a galaxy away from here..??:D

I wouldn't say that, but it was in the top 3.. And it is one fine piece that you are missing out on if you don't have it..;)

[Agent X20]

Nice A frame stand.. Dogfight Double..!!

[ZS-VAN]

Wow! Looking at those pics I'm likely to cancel the Mirage 2000 I have on order for this one. Thing is, will there be any issues like the open gear doors on the Mirage and drooping tails with the A10? :unsure: Risky business pre-ordering. :eek:

[ZS-VAN]

Have looked at the Carousel 190's so many times and have to keep telling myself i don't need another scale/collection:D

Always hoped that Corgi would do one in 1/32 but i feel that is now a lost cause:(

I definety looking at the Carousel 190! :D I don't do 1/48 either but I've GOT to make an exception for a Mk XIV Spitfire! Of course Harry is a bad influence and easily twisted my rubber arm to look at those 190s. :LOL: :rolleyes:

[eismeer]

I've GOT to make an exception for a Mk XIV Spitfire. :LOL: :rolleyes:

I know, and then the problem is you just have to have something for it to play with:LOL:

[von hitchofen]

time for that 1/48 Me262 perhaps??...is there a good one?

[uksubs]

time for that 1/48 Me262 perhaps??...is there a good one?

Armour Franklin Mint 1/48 Me-262A Green 1 Luftwaffe KDR III./JG7 "Green 1" Major Rudolf Sinner Is worth buying

[von hitchofen]

already got that in 1/72..........hmmmm

[uksubs]

already got that in 1/72..........hmmmm

Same as :D
This one the FM Me 262 ;)http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/450/dscn1711rz5.jpg

[von hitchofen]

nice paint job, but still no rocket pods

[uksubs]

nice paint job, but still no rocket pods

It has ;)

[uksubs]

nice paint job, but still no rocket pods

It has but ive not put them on ;)

[Elmer]

Hawk has posted pics on his hobbymastercollector site. Hobby Master has also updated its site with the release date and a picture. On MHII, Hawk indicated that the model has had detail added in the cowling area since the pictures he posted were shot.

[hawkonevoodoo]

Hawk has posted pics on his hobbymastercollector site. Hobby Master has also updated its site with the release date and a picture. On MHII, Hawk indicated that the model has had detail added in the cowling area since the pictures he posted were shot.

Elmer I just received the last of the pictures. These are pre-productions but look great. There are some different shots from the ones on my site now and I will update the pictures later. It's 1:30 AM here and I'm off to bed. Check later on Saturday. Plus I will have some interesting news about other models. Too tired to do anything else tonight, at the computer for 9 hours now. TTFN

[shuttle]

Hawks,

Great shots!! Any news about the next release? A Mosquito would be great in this scale.

:) Shuttle

[Nimrod48]

Hawks,

Great shots!! Any news about the next release? A Mosquito would be great in this scale.

:) Shuttle

My thoughts too shuttle I have the fabled Corgi Aussie Mossie but would love a 1:48 version :cool:

[hawkonevoodoo]

Hawks,

Great shots!! Any news about the next release? A Mosquito would be great in this scale.

:) Shuttle

I will be putting another picture up sometime today. It is taken from the back of the model looking forward. There also will be a couple of pictures trying to explain a few improvements over the pre-production pictures and the final issue. The canopy on the final issue will be much clearer, it will fit much better and it will slide open. The landing gear will retract, you won't have to add or remove anything. The bumps on the wing for the cannon will be corrected. AAANNNNND, there will be a pilot included.

As for the next type to be released, we'll have to wait until the Spits are out and go from there.

[eismeer]

The landing gear will retract, you won't have to add or remove anything.

Retracting landing gear:cool: .This is sounding better and better.

[kevjb64]

Retracting landing gear:cool: .This is sounding better and better.

Rapidly becoming THE release of 2007 .:)

[ZS-VAN]

I'm really looking forward to this release. I cancelled my Mirage order in favour of this one. Once the nose gear issue is sorted I'll get a Mirage.

[Elmer]

Elmer I just received the last of the pictures. These are pre-productions but look great. There are some different shots from the ones on my site now and I will update the pictures later. It's 1:30 AM here and I'm off to bed. Check later on Saturday. Plus I will have some interesting news about other models. Too tired to do anything else tonight, at the computer for 9 hours now. TTFN

I eagerly await the update, Hawk. Thanks!

[Dutchie]

Thanks hawkonevoodoo for the information. Good to see the JEJ:cool:
What a prop this thing has:) :cool:

[Red 2]

At last a new warbird to really look forward to. Been a while since 'PE' was out and Charley's Kent Spit has been the only thing preventing me slipping completely over to the dark side.

I like the sound of the proposed sliding canopy and the retracting gear will be useful as long as the mechanism is robust and doesn't suffer from ' gravity drop' after a while like some 1/32 Spits.

Sure to be a popular release, what is the latest guess on timing?

[ZS-VAN]

At last a new warbird to really look forward to. Been a while since 'PE' was out and Charley's Kent Spit has been the only thing preventing me slipping completely over to the dark side.

I like the sound of the proposed sliding canopy and the retracting gear will be useful as long as the mechanism is robust and doesn't suffer from ' gravity drop' after a while like some 1/32 Spits.

Sure to be a popular release, what is the latest guess on timing?

I think I read the 20th of September on Hawkone's site or MHII. :unsure: A lot earlier than November.

[Dutchie]

I think I read the 20th of September on Hawkone's site or MHII. :unsure: A lot earlier than November.


Make space on the shelf:D

[ZS-VAN]

Make space on the shelf:D

Yup, I've placed an order for one. :D

[Spitful]

Thanks Hawk for the pictures and info. It looks great to me.
Just wondering what the forum thinks. Is it more important
having the landing gear retractable or accuracy to the original aircrafts landing gear?

[hawkonevoodoo]

Thanks Hawk for the pictures and info. It looks great to me.
Just wondering what the forum thinks. Is it more important
having the landing gear retractable or accuracy to the original aircrafts landing gear?

Hopefully there will be both.

[kevjb64]

Hopefully there will be both.

Kinda , to be accurate surely the originals retracted !!:confused: :rolleyes:

[hawkonevoodoo]

Kinda , to be accurate surely the originals retracted !!:confused: :rolleyes:


They could make the landing gear accurate and give us a model that has to have the gear removed by taking them out of the wheel well and putting a false wheel and door in its place. Or they could give us landing gear that looks accurate and folds into the wheel well and looks like the real plane would with the gear retracted.

[kevjb64]

They could make the landing gear accurate and give us a model that has to have the gear removed by taking them out of the wheel well and putting a false wheel and door in its place. Or they could give us landing gear that looks accurate and folds into the wheel well and looks like the real plane would with the gear retracted.

Gotcha now .:)

[Elmer]

I think I read the 20th of September on Hawkone's site or MHII. :unsure: A lot earlier than November.

Yes, September 20 is the official release date on Hobby Master's site. However, by slow boat to the U.S., it won't arrive until early November. I am not sure about Europe.

[CFBC]

Please be aware that thi is a pre-production sample and is subject to change and also that the paint finish is not as accurate. (This can be seen on the close-up pictures). Thank you to Hobby Master & Tiger Hobbies for wllowig us the sample.

Well, that is the formalities out the way.... This is seriously one :cool piece of diecast folks!

Ok, it's apre-production version and I know of one or two issues that need changing and will be amended on the final production version, but with a metal propr, removalable/fixed gun covers (longer pins to keep in place) and removeable pilot then this is going to be one of the best, if not the best 1/48the release of 2007!

The u/c on my version (please remember it's a pre-pro) was not very accurate in terms of the way it sat, but on the final version I have been assured this will be sorted. Also the panel lines and printing really are finished well too! ;) :)

Please feel free to take a look at the pictures.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-1-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-6.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-7.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-8.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-9.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-10.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-11.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-12.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-13.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Pre-pro/HA7101-14.jpg

[ZS-VAN]

Very nice CFBC. I've seen a couple of pics on Hawkone's site pointing out corrections to the model. Things are looking up! :cool

[Cardinal]

Pre-ordered - and proud of it! :cool: :D

[eismeer]

Pre-ordered - and proud of it! :cool: :D

Not gone that far yet but will defo be picking one of these up when released:cool:

Can only hope that this is also a first of many types in this scale from HM with a Fw-190 to follow:)

Take note of my sig pic below but preferably "blau 9" :D

[uksubs]

Pre-ordered - and proud of it! :cool: :D

Ordered mine last month to :D

[CFBC]

Can only hope that this is also a first of many types in this scale from HM with a Fw-190 to follow:)

Oh yes, mines ordered too! I believe more typres are to follow, but not sure at present about the FW, but thats for another thread! :)

[Elmer]

Thank you for posting CFBC! This looks AWESOME! Hobby Master listened to pleas for cowling panel fasteners/bolts... and while I was originally skeptical about pad printing them, the pictures look great! Do you have pics of the underside?

[hworth18]

Does look very nice.. Is it just me, or does the pilot look a wee-bit undersized??

[johnnyboy]

Does look very nice.. Is it just me, or does the pilot look a wee-bit undersized??

Must be Johnnie Johnson Jnr.

[von hitchofen]

any pictures of the high back Spit XIV yet - thats the one I want....

[CFBC]

Hobby Masters second 1/48th Spitfire is uncovered.....

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102Picture.jpg

Very :cool and hope it is as good as the first one I have seen (well pre-pro anyway). ;) :)

[Dutchie]

Hobby Masters second 1/48th Spitfire is uncovered.....

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102Picture.jpg

Very :cool and hope it is as good as the first one I have seen (well pre-pro anyway). ;) :)

thanks CFBC, looking forward to the 1:48 Spitfires:cool:

[ZS-VAN]

There is a small pic on Hawkone's site. He is due for an update soon which should include the new pics. ;)

[zed550]

Hobby Masters second 1/48th Spitfire is uncovered.....

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102Picture.jpg

Very :cool and hope it is as good as the first one I have seen (well pre-pro anyway). ;) :)
must have it has a local connection for me
ROYAL AUXILARY AIR FORCE COUNTY OF CHESTER SQN

[ZS-VAN]

PappyB on MHII has just posted a review on one he received today! :D Check it out. ;)

http://themodelhangar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=106927&posted=1#post106927

[Dutchie]

PappyB on MHII has just posted a review on one he received today! :D Check it out. ;)

http://themodelhangar.com/forum/showthread.php?p=106927&posted=1#post106927

good to read the story about this Spit by pappyboyington:)
let it come to the shops:)

[DCRanger]

The review seemed to be rather mixed I thought. That's a bit worrying when some on that forum think we are really over critical on this side of the pond. Hey ho, I'll wait and see for myself before passing judgement.

[Agent X20]

He he.. I was just thinking that myself Mr DCR....:cool:

[col]

Dunno:
- Usual stuff about panel lines - take it or leave it, really.
- Some delicate parts - well I'm not in the habit of playing with the models (well not much). Don't manhandle it, it won't break.
- Pilot too small - don't care, not fussed about pilot figures.
- Cockpit detail - well not overly concerned, but expect something reasonably detailed in 1/48.
The only comment of any concern was the undercarriage. The shots on the HM site do seem to suggest a lack of detail but we'll see. Greater concern, on initial read, was the comment about it being too small. Maybe, but for those of us who have seen a MkXIV Spit at airshows (most of us) the u/c does look a bit weedy. Overall, not too concerned and looking forward to its arrival (future postal service strikes permitting).

[Red 2]

Hmmm.....enough little quibbles to make me want to see it it the flesh, lack of detail and u/c coments worry me, partic on the larger 1/48.:unsure:

Mind you, same 'look first' principle applies to just about everything these days. JU 52 turned out ok (phew) and I'm waiting very nervously for the arrival of the Halifax.

[CFBC]

A picture paints a 1000 words is my view. :)

Wait until they arrive to make my judgement and my views. For now, I have the pre-pro and that is :cool . As I said before they did have some u/c issue's and were supposed to be sorting them out, but lets see.

I am reserving judgement. If HM get this one right, they are on to a winner, if not.... :(

We will know soon enough..... :)

[shuttle]

Any news on a UK E.T.A?

:) Shuttle

[gary ford]

First or second week in November

[Elmer]

The review seemed to be rather mixed I thought. That's a bit worrying when some on that forum think we are really over critical on this side of the pond. Hey ho, I'll wait and see for myself before passing judgement.

Pappy has now posted initial pics at MHII, also showing the pilot relative to C1's pilots. He should have a full blown pictorial and review at diecastace.com soon. I read a lot of Pappy's stuff... while the review may appear to some as mixed, Pappy was just being thorough pointing out all issues. If you read between the lines, he really gives glowing praise to the mold and I can tell he is impressed and likes it a lot.

[col]

Just had a look at the photos on MH. The beast (for such it is) is one :cool bit of diecast.

[DCRanger]

Pappy has now posted initial pics at MHII, also showing the pilot relative to C1's pilots. He should have a full blown pictorial and review at diecastace.com soon. I read a lot of Pappy's stuff... while the review may appear to some as mixed, Pappy was just being thorough pointing out all issues. If you read between the lines, he really gives glowing praise to the mold and I can tell he is impressed and likes it a lot.

I have seen the pre pro's and was very impressed so maybe you are right. I hope so. :)

[Cardinal]

I hope that this Spitfire will be a good piece of diecast :unsure:. I'm becoming far more discerning (aka picky/fussy/pedantic) of late and if a model isn't of the highest standard I'll choose not to buy it ... plenty of choice out there and only limited display space.

[col]

God forbid I'll start passing judgement on a piece of discast before it arrives:rolleyes:
However, in anticiptation of any (minor) u/c and canopy problems there seem to be after market plastic kit alternatives, eg nicely detailed white metal u/c legs and wheels. Is the HM u/c retractable ? If not (and if it is a bit sparse) I may consider an upgrade.

[CFBC]

Please be aware that these are pre-production sample photographs only direct from Hobby Master and that they are subject to change. Thank you


HA7102 - Spitfire Mk. XIVc, DW-D, 610 Sqn.,Sqn Ldr R. Newbery, June 1944.


http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-6.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-7.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-8.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-9.jpg

[zed550]

lovely!
was chatting to mr ford this morning about it

[johnnyboy]

I have to honest the but the canopy area seems a bit odd to me on this one but the full span wings look very:cool: I will wait for a low back full span version before I will part with any cash.

[col]

Rear glazing looks a bit small compared to the blister (or is the blister too big). Is there a bit of compromise here to allow a sliding canopy ? Comments ?

All in all though it looks the biz.

[col]

JB - you must have hit the submit nano seconds before me. It's not my eyesight then.

[zed550]

canopy was a bit bigger on the griffon spits

[Agent X20]

Armament looks a bit droopy and tailplanes are twisted.. still looks blo*dy nice though...

[scaleplanes]

[QUOTE=CFBC;184136]Please be aware that these are pre-production sample photographs only direct from Hobby Master and that they are subject to change. Thank you


http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-4.jpg


Nice to see that HM at least corrected the fin/rudder (compare to pre-pro). Canopy is a compramise to allow sliding feature but the whole model looks good, a little chunky though.

Camouflage pattern not quite right and fighter band and letters should be sky and are too far forward.

[ZS-VAN]

I reckon this one looks very good too. I'll get both I think. The canopy though just seems to draw the eye to it. I hope that gets some attention. It detracts from the model for me. In fact I'd be just as happy if the canopy was just closed.

[uksubs]

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/653/thumb346mn6.jpgI reckon this one looks very good too. I'll get both I think. The canopy though just seems to draw the eye to it. I hope that gets some attention. It detracts from the model for me. In fact I'd be just as happy if the canopy was just closed.

Think are be getting both to ;)
Hoping there do a Spitfire XIX PR next ;)

[hworth18]

Looks nice, another to add to my stable....;)

[ZS-VAN]

Think are be getting both to ;)
Hoping there do a Spitfire XIX PR next ;)

Now that's a great idea! :cool Hear I was thinking, limit your aquisitions, there's no more space or money for that matter. :wacko:

[scaleplanes]

Would be nicer if it looked more like the top picture:)

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s183/bentley61_2007/HA7102-5b.jpg

[Angels one-five]

Please be aware that these are pre-production sample photographs only direct from Hobby Master and that they are subject to change. Thank you


HA7102 - Spitfire Mk. XIVc, DW-D, 610 Sqn.,Sqn Ldr R. Newbery, June 1944.


[CENTER]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-1.jpg

I like the look of the model, but agree with others that the hood looks wrong - a bit too 'blown'. The codes and band in white has also been commented on. In addition, the fuselage roundel looks to me that the white is slightly too thick - but that may just be a trick of the camera. A good profile on this particular Mk XIV compared against a Bf109G is here (http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/Spitfire14v109.htm). Have a look at the aircraft profile and it shows the issues identified with this prepro.

[von hitchofen]

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7102%20pre-pro/HA7102-4.jpg

will splash my cash on the Bubble canopy version if thats the best they can do

[planejunky]

I like the look of the model, but agree with others that the hood looks wrong - a bit too 'blown'. The codes and band in white has also been commented on. In addition, the fuselage roundel looks to me that the white is slightly too thick - but that may just be a trick of the camera. A good profile on this particular Mk XIV compared against a Bf109G is here (http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/Spitfire14v109.htm). Have a look at the aircraft profile and it shows the issues identified with this prepro.

Have to agree with all that, and yes the fuselage roundal is wrong with far too much white. The codes should also have a yellow outline. If that's the finished the product then I'm afraid I'll have to give it a miss, then go and make one myself!

[Agent X20]

The canopy IMHO is that blown so that it slides back.. My first reaction on seeing the prepro was ditch all the bits, the gun covers etc etc.. and as much said so to Mr F... but no, they know better..... so it looks like thats what you are stuck with.. gun covers, retractable u/c, slideable canopies and silly little plastic entry doors, so its a bit of a toy Spitty...

As to that profile ..its green and brown so how much do you read into that..?

.........the model itself, and the scaleplanes changes, yes the codes are a different colour, they are also situated further back down the fuselage, but no one else seems to have noticed the camouflage pattern that Mr S has 'altered'... and the point.. well if he hadn't have said anything would everyone now be in such a state of despair... ????

(We get this with the Inflight merchants.. I wonder why some of then stick with the hobby..)

[prune]

Canopy slides back for a view into an apparently sparse cockpit:unsure:
Why bother,just give us an accurate Spit:(
The overblown canopy has probably blown it for me,but I'll make my mind up when I see one.

[Dutchie]

Compared this Spitfire with the drawings in "Modellers Datafile 5" (SAM Publications). HM has to change some things as you all told...
camoscheme, code on the wrong place on the fuselage, too much white in the roundel and so on. The Spitfire is a aeroplane we all know very well.
But I think (hope:rolleyes: ) Hm 's gonna surprise us with a nice one:)

[scaleplanes]

.........the model itself, and the scaleplanes changes, yes the codes are a different colour, they are also situated further back down the fuselage, but no one else seems to have noticed the camouflage pattern that Mr S has 'altered'... and the point.. well if he hadn't have said anything would everyone now be in such a state of despair... ????

That adjusted camouflage pattern ( and alterations) was done from memory so not 100% correct! Just done to give better idea of what it should look like.

The problem with the die-cast manufacturers, is that they pick up a model kit, reproduce it (along with all its errors), then keep the new models a secret for so long that when errors are picked up on the pre-pros, it's just too late to make changes.:(

[hawkonevoodoo]

Would be nicer if it looked more like the top picture:)

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s183/bentley61_2007/HA7102-5b.jpg

I asked this question and Hobby Master tells me it will look like the top picture, the band will match the color of the spinner.

[shuttle]

Is it me or do others agree that with HM it is sometimes best to skip the first couple of issues of a model as they seem to fix problems later on? The Stuka (canopy), A10 (bent tail-planes) and now the Mirage 2000 (U/C problems). The Spitfire could be the same........

:( Shuttle

[Angels one-five]

As to that profile ..its green and brown so how much do you read into that..?



Time for a new monitor...!:LOL:

[Agent X20]

Compare the Spitfire colours to the 109.... still looks more like a pinky brown..:D :D :D :p :p :p ....
http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/Spitfire14v109.htm

[Dutchie]

Compare the Spitfire colours to the 109.... still looks more like a pinky brown..:D :D :D :p :p :p ....
http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/Spitfire14v109.htm

colorfull Agent:)

[planejunky]

Yeah that profile is pretty awful! :eek: The best and most accurate one so far is in the Osprey "Aircraft of the Aces" series "Late Marque Spitfire Aces 1942-45" by Dr Alfred Price. This shows the aircraft as it should be. I'll try and take a scan of it later.

[Angels one-five]

Compare the Spitfire colours to the 109.... still looks more like a pinky brown..:D :D :D :p :p :p ....
http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/Spitfire14v109.htm

Must be my eyes then:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

(having looked at the profiles of the Vb and IX on the same site, I see what you mean - it's definitely off-grey!:D )

[p-51d]

It would seem that the pilot in the first release is vertically challenged and can't see out of the cockpit, let's hope they can stretch him a bit.

[Agent X20]

Glad its not just me then....:D

[zed550]

give him a seat cushion and he will be fine

[planejunky]

Not really bothered about the pilot as I'll leave him out anyway! I'll be looking to order some RAF 1/48th ground crew to accompany the JEJ version. Very apt at the moment as I'm currently reading "Wing Leader"!

[Red 2]

Not really bothered about the pilot as I'll leave him out anyway! I'll be looking to order some RAF 1/48th ground crew to accompany the JEJ version. Very apt at the moment as I'm currently reading "Wing Leader"!

PJ...need the help of your dearly beloved here re the vertically challenged pilot. Is this 'Shorty' of the hot flushes?

[CFBC]

Hm were making their first 1/48th with removeable engine cowling etc.... It may just look like the real thing! ;) :cool :)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/JEJ1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/JEJ2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/JEJ3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/JEJ4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/JEJ5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/JEJ6.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/JEJ7.jpg

Apologies. :o I was not able to get a top shot of it as Shuttle would not let me climb on it to inspect the panel lines. :( :rolleyes: :D

[Red 2]

Great pics. What a beast!:cool:

Daydreaming now but it did make me think 'If only GMP would do one'.:rolleyes:

[shuttle]

Hm were making their first 1/48th with removable engine cowling etc.... It may just look like the real thing! ;) :cool :)

Apologies. :o I was not able to get a top shot of it as Shuttle would not let me climb on it to inspect the panel lines. :( :rolleyes: :D

CFBC,

As it isn't a Desert version your 'tropical' shorts would have looked out of place - standards have to be kept don't you know!!!

:D Shuttle

[Dutchie]

Very nice pictures CFBC!!!:cool: Makes clear that the Griffon Spitfire is a totaly other aeroplane than the Merlin Spitfire. When we see the 1:48 model from HM, I think it needs some time to get used to this variant:)

[CFBC]

Great pics. What a beast!:cool:

Daydreaming now but it did make me think 'If only GMP would do one'.:rolleyes:

I had exactly the same thoughts R2, really did when I was posting, but I know this is the HM version due out very soon here. ;) :)

[zed550]

regarding 610 sqn spit i have osprey's late marque spits open at this moment and one of the profile's is of RB159 DW D and it shows spinner and code letters in white and the code letters outlined in yellow yet the acedemy 1/72 kit shows spinner,code letters in sky.
so which is right?small photograph in the book seems to confirm the codes and prop were white.

[Dutchie]

regarding 610 sqn spit i have osprey's late marque spits open at this moment and one of the profile's is of RB159 DW D and it shows spinner and code letters in white and the code letters outlined in yellow yet the acedemy 1/72 kit shows spinner,code letters in sky.
so which is right?small photograph in the book seems to confirm the codes and prop were white.

Different books, different colors. That's often a problem:eek: :)

[zed550]

second look different book ,looks very light sky same yellow outlined codes though.

[scaleplanes]

second look different book ,looks very light sky same yellow outlined codes though.

Until a good colour picture turns up, or reference to colour changes, it’s always best to go with the standard fighter command (Europe) colours of sky for the fighter band, codes and spinner. I have two b&w photos of RB159 and the codes in both appear duller than what you would expect them to be if the original were white.

Artist profiles are generally best ignored, as most would probably be reference to a b&w photo and an artist who wasn’t that knowledgeable of WWII markings, could interpret (b&w) sky as white.

The yellow outline to the codes, is something that has turned up recently in at least one set of aftermarket decals. This could be a C/O’s attempt at personalising his own a/c but again, until some hard evidence of this being applied to Newberry’s a/c turns up, I’d stick with the official guide on markings.

[prune]

small photograph in the book seems to confirm the codes and prop were white.

I've got the photo in another book that is a bit bigger,and I'd go with Sky.Did notice the codes are thicker than the other Spits in the flight which could be the yellow outlines,but can't be sure about that.

[scaleplanes]

I've got the photo in another book that is a bit bigger,and I'd go with Sky.Did notice the codes are thicker than the other Spits in the flight which could be the yellow outlines,but can't be sure about that.

Well spotted Prune, they are thicker on DW D than on the other a/c, so could be that they are outlined in yellow.

[zed550]

i would go with sky and yellow outline then but not that too green sky!

[DCRanger]

PappyB on MH II has put together and impressive photo slide show which includes comments and music.

Have a look here (http://klett.phanfare.com/slideshow.aspx?username=klett&album_id=211193&section_id=628575)

Having seen it my thoughts are that whilst it looks good it could be better and on HM's record I think later versions will be. I think I prefer the high back versions anyway.

[CFBC]

Thanks DCR, great slide show indeed.

Here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=6852) are some pictures of the production version also.

:)

The release is very good indeed and certainly the profile and look of the Mark is excellent. To me what lets the release down a little as per Diecast's comments is the pilot and also how low the pilot sits in the cockpit and the detailing also.

Don't get me wrong, the release itself is fantastic and it sits very nicely with the P40's via C1 and Mustangs from EI, but I think with a little more care and attention we could have had a cracking first time release.

The canopy works well as well as the side side, but you do also have to be a little careful with it indeed as well as the mirror which could again have had a blob of paint on it.

On the whole a very good release from HM, but would like to see inprovements for the next release.

[Dutchie]

Watched the photos and must say I'm impressed by the production version and the colors. I agree when you say, CFBC, that the pilot is a bit small, or is sitting too low. Can you take out the pilot?....Or perhaps a chute in his seat:)

[Dutchie]

By the way, thanks for posting CFBC:cool

[CFBC]

Can you take out the pilot?....Or perhaps a chute in his seat:)

Yes Dutchie... I will add some cushions and retake a picture tomorrow and show you.

The Pilot in the brown is from the JEJ, the other in the blue is from the Eagles International Mustang..... As an example to show it's not the small pilot, but the actual coskpit. :)

Please be aware that these are really close photographs, wthin a few cms.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/Pilot1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/Pilot2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/Pilot3.jpg

[CFBC]

And while I was at it, I thought I would photograph the EI Mustang sat next to the HM spitfire. ;) :)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM5.jpg

[uksubs]

And while I was at it, I thought I would photograph the EI Mustang sat next to the HM spitfire. ;) :)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/EIHM5.jpg


Just need a Hawker Tempest next :D
Nice pics again ;)

[hworth18]

Great pics CFBC!!!
I know this has been hashed over before, but does anyone else think the landing gear on the Spit is too short?? Maybe we can get some scale measurements??

Regardless, I will be getting one of these and adding a few shims for the pilot so he can see over the instrument panel..;)

[CFBC]

Great pics CFBC!!!

and adding a few shims for the pilot so he can see over the instrument panel..;)

Thanks Hw... Been playing with the camera settings and got a new background colour that works well too.

In terms of the shims or extra cushions. Yep! He needs it.... :D :D

I am not sure on the u/c leg dimensions, but can measure them if anyone is interested. It's sat here on my desk although minus the the bl**dy cockpit mirror as that went ping! :(

You have been warned.... :)

[CFBC]

Just need a Hawker Tempest next :D
Nice pics again ;)

Tempest would sit lovely.... Bring it on! ;) :cool

[Cardinal]

Great pics CFBC!!!
I know this has been hashed over before, but does anyone else think the landing gear on the Spit is too short?? Maybe we can get some scale measurements??

Regardless, I will be getting one of these and adding a few shims for the pilot so he can see over the instrument panel..;)

Like HW, I think that the undercarriage appears a little 'vertically challenged' - it would be hell to land that beast with the large prop. taking chunks out of the runway... :unsure: :D

[hawkonevoodoo]

i would go with sky and yellow outline then but not that too green sky!

So I think the general concensus is that DWD should be Sky spinner, codes and band. I have seen Sky-S or type S listed as 2 different FS#s, which one does everyone think is the best shade 504 or 583?
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34504
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34583

I don't know about the yellow outline of the code there seems to be little enthusiasm for it, what does everyone think about the yellow, go with it or without it?

[charley]

So I think the general concensus is that DWD should be Sky spinner, codes and band. I have seen Sky-S or type S listed as 2 different FS#s, which one does everyone think is the best shade 504 or 583?
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34504
http://www.colorserver.net/showcolor.asp?fs=34583

I don't know about the yellow outline of the code there seems to be little enthusiasm for it, what does everyone think about the yellow, go with it or without it?


Federal Standard colours.....mmm not sure...I know some one who might know :rolleyes:

[CFBC]

Federal Standard colours.....mmm not sure...I know some one who might know :rolleyes:

Oh gawd no! NOT federal colours....... :o :o :o

[Red 2]

Oh gawd no! NOT federal colours....... :o :o :o

Feeling of Deja vu anyone?:LOL:

[hawkonevoodoo]

Oh gawd no! NOT federal colours....... :o :o :o

There has to be some sort of a number to refer to so everyone is looking at the same color and shade. If you have a better reference number please let me know.

[CFBC]

There has to be some sort of a number to refer to so everyone is looking at the same color and shade. If you have a better reference number please let me know.

I will be in touch. ;) :)

[Red 2]

We're not having a specific pop at HM, Hawk, tis just that other manufacturers have occasionally had an oops moment by using FS references when looking at British camo.

[hawkonevoodoo]

We're not having a specific pop at HM, Hawk, tis just that other manufacturers have occasionally had an oops moment by using FS references when looking at British camo.

I'm sorry if I came across the wrong way. All I want to do is get the closest I can to the correct color and if there is a better way to get British colors correct I would like to know. Is the RLM chart better to use for the Spit?

[Agent X20]

Humbrol No 30 will be good enough for the green...:D

[Angels one-five]

I'm sorry if I came across the wrong way. All I want to do is get the closest I can to the correct color and if there is a better way to get British colors correct I would like to know. Is the RLM chart better to use for the Spit?

There are BS numbers Hawkonevoodoo. These set out the colours used for British aircraft. From a modelling perspective Xtracolour paints tend to get it pretty spot on if that is any help.

[Dutchie]

Yes Dutchie... I will add some cushions and retake a picture tomorrow and show you.

The Pilot in the brown is from the JEJ, the other in the blue is from the Eagles International Mustang..... As an example to show it's not the small pilot, but the actual coskpit. :)

Please be aware that these are really close photographs, wthin a few cms.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/Pilot1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/Pilot2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/Pilot3.jpg

Super photo's CFBC!!!:cool: I still like that Spifire XIV from HM. Very realistic colors. But the pilot.....:rolleyes: He's wearing a rabbit-suit:unsure: :)
That does'nt matter IMO. We had the 1:32 Hurricane pilot, even liked that:)
And this one too:)

[planejunky]

Mmmm the HM pilot is wearing a USAAF life vest too! In reality many 8th AF pilots preferred the British "Mae West" along with our goggles!

I'm reading "Wing Leader", and nowhere does he mention a preference to the US style life vest! :LOL:

[dilligafocau]

Super photo's CFBC!!!:cool: I still like that Spifire XIV from HM. Very realistic colors. But the pilot.....:rolleyes: He's wearing a rabbit-suit:unsure: :)
That does'nt matter IMO. We had the 1:32 Hurricane pilot, even liked that:)
And this one too:)

I don't know Dutchie.......Im thinking Bear Suit :D

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/bear.jpg

[hawkonevoodoo]

Humbrol No 30 will be good enough for the green...:D

Isn't Humbrol 30 Matt Dark Earth?

[hawkonevoodoo]

There are BS numbers Hawkonevoodoo. These set out the colours used for British aircraft. From a modelling perspective Xtracolour paints tend to get it pretty spot on if that is any help.

Thanks for the information. Is this link a good reference to use?
XA1007 RAF Sky BS210
XA1001 RAF Dark Green BS241
XA1002 RAF Dark Earth BS450 H:29

http://www.aoou52.dsl.pipex.com/Models/xtracrylix-xref.htm

[Agent X20]

Isn't Humbrol 30 Matt Dark Earth? Naw.. 29 was dark earth...:D

[Angels one-five]

Thanks for the information. Is this link a good reference to use?
XA1007 RAF Sky BS210
XA1001 RAF Dark Green BS241
XA1002 RAF Dark Earth BS450 H:29

http://www.aoou52.dsl.pipex.com/Models/xtracrylix-xref.htm

That looks good to me hawkone. One point to note about Xtracolur is that the paints are gloss finish (to allow decalling) and require a varnish to finish.
I'm not sure if it's the same for their acrylic range. Everything I've read about their paint range in modelmaking magazines suggests that their pretty accurate, so I suspect that their BS references are good.

[scaleplanes]

Thanks for the information. Is this link a good reference to use?
XA1007 RAF Sky BS210
XA1001 RAF Dark Green BS241
XA1002 RAF Dark Earth BS450 H:29



er.. hope you are not going to suggest Dark Earth on DWD:confused: Try Dark green/Ocean grey upper and Sea Grey medium undersides:)

[uksubs]

I Would love to see a Gloster Meteor Mk1 /Mk3 next :)

[CFBC]

I Would love to see a Gloster Meteor Mk1 /Mk3 next :)

:confused: :confused: You in the right thread Subs? :)

[Dutchie]

I don't know Dutchie.......Im thinking Bear Suit :D

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/bear.jpg

oke Dilligafocau:LOL:

[DCRanger]

:confused: :confused: You in the right thread Subs? :)

He's dreaming so he can be in any thread he likes.:D

[Elmer]

Hobby Master has posted its October 20 releases on its web-site. DW-D is listed; it is still showing white band and ID letters. I assume this is still the pre-pro and hope that HM used correct colors in the production release. But if it didn't, and it was indeed released on October 20, well... its on the water now.

http://www.hobbymaster.com.hk/frameset.htm

[hawkonevoodoo]

Hobby Master has posted its October 20 releases on its web-site. DW-D is listed; it is still showing white band and ID letters. I assume this is still the pre-pro and hope that HM used correct colors in the production release. But if it didn't, and it was indeed released on October 20, well... its on the water now.

http://www.hobbymaster.com.hk/frameset.htm

It is the pre-pro and I'm trying to get pictures of the finished product.

[CFBC]

It is the pre-pro and I'm trying to get pictures of the finished product.

Beat me to it HW... :)

[ZS-VAN]

Some nice pics here. :)

http://www.themodelhangar.com/forum/hobby-master/44583-ha7102-1-48th-supermarine-spitfire-mk-xivc-pics.html#post113441

[col]

Going back to earlier comments it seems more that the rear glazing is undersized (or doesn't follow the spine of the fuselage) rather than the canopy is oversized. All in all though, looks nice.

[Dutchie]

Some nice pics here. :)

http://www.themodelhangar.com/forum/hobby-master/44583-ha7102-1-48th-supermarine-spitfire-mk-xivc-pics.html#post113441
thanks |ZS-VAN:) hope that the canopy is done alright:)

[p-51d]

Hawk has posted final pictures of the second 1/48 HM spitfire, i don't collect this scale but it looks good to me.

[johnnyboy]

I also do not collect 1/48 and to be honest with this release I am less upset about it then I would have been normally, I have wanted a Griffon Spit for so long now but IMHO they is something about this Spit that is not quite right thats by judging it with my Mk1 eyeball. The canopy I accept is a compromise to allow it to open but that rear fuselage does not look right and for me spoils the whole model I am also not convinced with the 5 blade props. Sorry Hobbymaster it a thumbs down from me but its not a real loss as I have said I don't do 1/48 anyway...

[p-51d]

I also do not collect 1/48 and to be honest with this release I am less upset about it then I would have been normally, I have wanted a Griffon Spit for so long now but IMHO they is something about this Spit that is not quite right thats by judging it with my Mk1 eyeball. The canopy I accept is a compromise to allow it to open but that rear fuselage does not look right and for me spoils the whole model I am also not convinced with the 5 blade props. Sorry Hobbymaster it a thumbs down from me but its not a real loss as I have said I don't do 1/48 anyway...

Quickly did a Google search and found pictures of real plane straight away, it looks excellent to me canopy and prop wise, certainly not as wrong as some recent releases from a certain manufacturer.:rolleyes:

[Dutchie]

Saw the JEJ on Flying Mule site-smile

[CFBC]

Saw the JEJ on Flying Mule site-smile

Yes, I also believe it is hitting the European shores very soon too. -smile

[Spitful]

Pictures of a delivered " Johnson" Spitfire on the Model Hanger website.
Looks great!!!!!!!!!!!! to me but your the experts.

[CFBC]

Pictures of a delivered " Johnson" Spitfire on the Model Hanger website.
Looks great!!!!!!!!!!!! to me but your the experts.

Yawn, -laugh- -laugh-

See here. (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=6852)

Been there a few weeks and that IS a production version. -biggrin- -smile

[Spitful]

Sorry CFBC I still have alot to learn. But if you go to the thread " Where's the Spit" and go to page 3 Skidmarks posted pictures of his.

[CFBC]

Yes I have taken a look Spitful, it's the same one indeed.

As they say, all US allocation is selling fast. I know pre-orders via the distributor here in the UK has been high also and pretty much sold out. Not sure about retail over here as yet.

I am pleased to have helped though. -smile

[Spitful]

Like I said I have alot to learn. Thanks for all you do for us CFBC.

[CFBC]

Am hoping to have the production version of the second HM 1/48th Spitfire in my hands soon! -cool-

As soon as I receive it, then I will post some pictures. -smile

[planejunky]

Good man, your dedication is duly noted! -biggrin-

[CFBC]

Good man, your dedication is duly noted! -biggrin-

I need sleep! -closeeyes-

[ZS-VAN]

Received shipping confirmation from TFM last night so looking forward to this one along with a few others held up waiting for this release. -biggrin-

[Dutchie]

Yes, I also believe it is hitting the European shores very soon too. -smile

Next week (in Holland - and I hope also in UK) in stock...my dealer told today-smile

[zed550]

spoke to mr ford today,they are here and should be available before xmas

[CFBC]

spoke to mr ford today,they are here and should be available before xmas

Thanks Zed, he's just reading his e-mails. -biggrin-

[Dutchie]

Picked up today the number 0243 of 1,800 of the new HobbyMaster
Spitfire Mk. XIVe "Johnnie Johnson".
First impression is that's the model (IMO) is very nice. I did some photograps, but the real colors are far better. Gonna make some new ones, but now one of the first series.-smile
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/P1010005-2.jpg

[Dutchie]

One with a better wing-view-smile
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/P1010007-1.jpg

[col]

I was getting a bit apprehensive about my pre-order on this and the high back, following some posts But, this looks really-cool-

[Dutchie]

I was getting a bit apprehensive about my pre-order on this and the high back, following some posts But, this looks really-cool-

Think you really gonna like it Col-smile

[Dutchie]

This picture I took with some other light.-smile

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/P1010008-2.jpg

[Cardinal]

Call me the 'Grinch', but I just can't get overly exited about this particular piece of diecast - I hope it does well for HM's sake though -smile.

[uksubs]

Call me the 'Grinch', but I just can't get overly exited about this particular piece of diecast - I hope it does well for HM's sake though -smile.

Were talking the best fighter of 1944-biggrin-
I can't wait for mine
Bring on the Tempest V

[col]

Call me the 'Grinch', but I just can't get overly exited about this particular piece of diecast - I hope it does well for HM's sake though -smile.

Aaah, an outbreak of Agent Carr Flu - have we got enough vaccine ?-blink-

[dilligafocau]

The photos from the Mule made the pilot look waaaay too low in the cockpit, Dutchie's pics show the pilot a tad low but not enough to put me off buying one :)

Tell the truth Dutchie, did you have a little cushion made up for the pilot? :D

[Cardinal]

Aaah, an outbreak of Agent Carr Flu - have we got enough vaccine ?-blink-

None required - plenty of 'near perfect' diecast still available as an antidote ... Carousel 1 (with less 'bits' to break off) springs to mind -cool-.

[CFBC]

Great pictures Dutchie...

I am going to re-shoot the forum picstures in the manufactures section this w/e (weather dependant) as they can be better....

I think this release could have been better, but to be honest it is one fine piece of diecast for the money! -smile

[CFBC]

Were talking the best fighter of 1944-biggrin-
I can't wait for mine
Bring on the Tempest V

Oh yes.. A Tempest and a Typhoon in 1/48! -cool- -cool- -cool- Beyond belief.... -biggrin-

[Dutchie]

The photos from the Mule made the pilot look waaaay too low in the cockpit, Dutchie's pics show the pilot a tad low but not enough to put me off buying one :)

Tell the truth Dutchie, did you have a little cushion made up for the pilot? :D

Yes dilligafocau, HM offers special (1:48) cushions-happy-
I think the pilot is a fraction to small and easily sinks deeper in the cockpit-huh-

[CFBC]

I think the pilot is a fraction to small and easily sinks deeper in the cockpit-huh-

Yes Dutchie, I agree... I have given my pilot a little bit of a "blu-tak" seat cushion and he sits in the cockpit lovely now.

-smile

[eismeer]

Thanks for posting the pictures Dutchie, very nice-cool-

Think it looks very nice but ohh the scale-blink-

Do i get myself involved in another scale and more dilemna or give it a miss-unsure-

[Dutchie]

Great pictures Dutchie...

I am going to re-shoot the forum picstures in the manufactures section this w/e (weather dependant) as they can be better....

I think this release could have been better, but to be honest it is one fine piece of diecast for the money! -smile

I also think this one could have been a little bit better. Some more detail perhaps. But over all it's a nice one on display and a GREAT AEROPLANE.
Price in Holland......35 euro's. And for that price a nice one to look at-smile

[Cardinal]

To paraphrase Churchill:

Never in the field of diecast collecting has there been so much hype, by so many, about so little :D :D :D

[Dutchie]

Thanks for posting the pictures Dutchie, very nice-cool-

Think it looks very nice but ohh the scale-blink-

Do i get myself involved in another scale and more dilemna or give it a miss-unsure-

I understand the scale problems. My first Buffalo has been on display in every corner of the cabinet. Even had the idea to put the 1:48's in an other room.
No good idea (said mrs. D). A few weeks ago I build a new "display-section" in the wardrobe of the "display-room" (my doors-mad- ....said mrs. D)
painted it yellow inside and put all scales in this one.-blink-
But still have to work out a good display-smile

[uksubs]

Thanks for posting the pictures Dutchie, very nice-cool-

Think it looks very nice but ohh the scale-blink-

Do i get myself involved in another scale and more dilemna or give it a miss-unsure-

Don't do it -unsure-
I hate my 1/72 plane now I've got the taste for 1/48 scale planes -sad-

[Dutchie]

Yes Dutchie, I agree... I have given my pilot a little bit of a "blu-tak" seat cushion and he sits in the cockpit lovely now.

-smile

I'm also gonna give him a lift CFBC-smile

[Arno 01]

Nice pics Dutchie, thanks for posting-biggrin-

[ZS-VAN]

I also think this one could have been a little bit better. Some more detail perhaps. But over all it's a nice one on display and a GREAT AEROPLANE.
Price in Holland......35 euro's. And for that price a nice one to look at-smile

I've pre-ordered one and its inbound so I will live with it. No-one else makes one yet anyways. The thing that bugs me though is that the cannon seem to be pointing down on quite a few different pics I've seen. -sad- That and the unpainted mirror. Simple stuff. It seems that it may be an idea to get third HM issue of new releases after all the bugs are ironed out. -blink-

[CKS1]

Call me the 'Grinch', but I just can't get overly exited about this particular piece of diecast - I hope it does well for HM's sake though -smile.

I'm with you Mr Cardinal and like you I hope it does well for HM's sake.

Cheers CKS1.

[planejunky]

Nice pics Dutchie, think I may have to add that to the ole xmas list! -biggrin-

[dilligafocau]

This clipped wing Spitfire will be my 1st 1/48 diecast, I know the size is right as I have a $2 1/48 Newray Griffon Spit sitting atop my PC. So right there is the problem....do I ditch the 'benchmark' Newray for this HM version ????

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/Newray.jpg


One needs the wisdom of Dr.Phil somedays :D:D:D

[planejunky]

Er looking at that, I'd say yep ditch it! -laugh-

[dilligafocau]

Er looking at that, I'd say yep ditch it! -laugh-

Yeah, you're right of course. I'll keep the 'decoy' Newray 'til the HM arrives then switch them over. The missus will be none the wiser. :)

[CFBC]

This clipped wing Spitfire will be my 1st 1/48 diecast, I know the size is right as I have a $2 1/48 Newray Griffon Spit sitting atop my PC. So right there is the problem....do I ditch the 'benchmark' Newray for this HM version ????

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/Newray.jpg


One needs the wisdom of Dr.Phil somedays :D:D:D

OH SHI*T that's bad! DITCH IT!!!!

[P51D]

Is the pilot worth keeping for your HM....or is he as bad as the spit? Now over to MB to comment on the colours! -laugh-

[minter]

This clipped wing Spitfire will be my 1st 1/48 diecast, I know the size is right as I have a $2 1/48 Newray Griffon Spit sitting atop my PC. So right there is the problem....do I ditch the 'benchmark' Newray for this HM version ????

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/Newray.jpg


One needs the wisdom of Dr.Phil somedays :D:D:D

chuck it in the garden, i have a p-40 and do-17 i made out there somewhere gently weathering away -biggrin-

[Marky_ncl]

One with a better wing-view-smile
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/P1010007-1.jpg

Hi Guys,

Im no expert in this field but I was just looking at those photo's again and it got me thinking.

On the JEJ Spitfire should the roundel not be in the middle like the other JEJ Spitfires that have been produced?? i.e JE@J

Looks odd like that!

I may be wrong as I'm sure one of you would have picked this up earlier!!

Mark -smile

[Angels one-five]

Hi Guys,

Im no expert in this field but I was just looking at those photo's again and it got me thinking.

On the JEJ Spitfire should the roundel not be in the middle like the other JEJ Spitfires that have been produced?? i.e JE@J

Looks odd like that!

I may be wrong as I'm sure one of you would have picked this up earlier!!

Mark -smile


No, it's quite correct for this aircraft.

[Marky_ncl]

No, it's quite correct for this aircraft.

Thats great thanks!!

I wasn't sure but I knew someone on here would know!

Thanks again,

Mark -smile

[gary ford]

The Sqn Ident letter started to be dropped just after the war leaving only the Roundel on the side of the aircaft other than the serial number. But this is just after the war ended in Europe and Wg Cdr Johnson was allowed to have his letter on the side. If Johnson flew this aircraft just before the war ended then the letter would have been either side of the roundel as in the aircraft at duxford. But this was a confusing time for aircraft historians and it not always possible to say yes or no to whats correct generally on RAF Aircraft marking from Sqn to Sqn as Admin orders were sometimes slow to filter down to Sqn level. Some Sqn charge very quick to peace time roundels with the yellow band and some just had war time markings for a while.

[Marky_ncl]

The Sqn Ident letter started to be dropped just after the war leaving only the Roundel on the side of the aircaft other than the serial number. But this is just after the war ended in Europe and Wg Cdr Johnson was allowed to have his letter on the side. If Johnson flew this aircraft just before the war ended then the letter would have been either side of the roundel as in the aircraft at duxford. But this was a confusing time for aircraft historians and it not always possible to say yes or no to whats correct generally on RAF Aircraft marking from Sqn to Sqn as Admin orders were sometimes slow to filter down to Sqn level. Some Sqn charge very quick to peace time roundels with the yellow band and some just had war time markings for a while.

Thanks Gary

Mark

[Nimrod48]

Picked up today the number 0243 of 1,800 of the new HobbyMaster
Spitfire Mk. XIVe "Johnnie Johnson".
First impression is that's the model (IMO) is very nice. I did some photograps, but the real colors are far better. Gonna make some new ones, but now one of the first series.-smile
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/P1010005-2.jpg

Many thanks for posting the pics Duchie I have both HM Spits on pre order, overall it looks a fine model for the money, just one thing bugs me & that is the noticeable grey line near the tip of the wing where it looks like the main part of the upper wing is raised above the wing tip the pre pro does not appear to be like this. -unsure-

[Seafire47]

Looks great - thanks for the photos Dutchie.

The big question is when do we get these in the UK???

[Sailor.]

How much is HM charging for this little darling?

[CFBC]

How much is HM charging for this little darling?

Checkout the Promoters Page (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/Promoters.html)and don't be so lazy! -tongue-

[Martin Bull]

Is the pilot worth keeping for your HM....or is he as bad as the spit? Now over to MB to comment on the colours! -laugh-

Well, as we have heard before - were YOU there in 1944/45 ? Who are WE to comment ?-blush- Colours did fade in operational use, y'know....-sleep-

So, for all I know, these colours may be 'bang on'..I was actually wondering if this was the Spitfire which came up against the Desert 262 ? -cool-

[planejunky]

The Sqn Ident letter started to be dropped just after the war leaving only the Roundel on the side of the aircaft other than the serial number. But this is just after the war ended in Europe and Wg Cdr Johnson was allowed to have his letter on the side. If Johnson flew this aircraft just before the war ended then the letter would have been either side of the roundel as in the aircraft at duxford. But this was a confusing time for aircraft historians and it not always possible to say yes or no to whats correct generally on RAF Aircraft marking from Sqn to Sqn as Admin orders were sometimes slow to filter down to Sqn level. Some Sqn charge very quick to peace time roundels with the yellow band and some just had war time markings for a while.

I don't think that's strictly true. Wing Commanders were able to have their letters in this style before the war ended. I remember Flypast running a story about it a while ago, just can't be bothered to go through months and months of issues to find it though! -laugh-

It's mentioned in JEJ's book "Wing Leader" about him having his initials painted onto "his" Spitfire. He was questioned about the possible consequences, but simply said something along the lines of "well they haven't got me yet!"

[Spitful]

I received my "Johnson" Spitfire today (#19 of 1800). The fit and finish is very good no problems on mine. As to the pilot being small as has already been mentioned here just add a cushion or leave him out it is no big deal. The canopy is not to large on this one, it looks to scale. The cannons point straight ahead not downward. On my plane there is no gap at the wingtip. Compared to several models of Griffon Spitfires in 1/48 that I built over the years it sits at the same height nose to nose and wingtip to wingtip. So IMHO if you are sitting on the fence about this one I wouldn't there is nothing really wrong with it. It is a nice piece of diecast.-smile

[Dutchie]

Checkout the Promoters Page (http://www.diecast-aviation.co.uk/Promoters.html)and don't be so lazy! -tongue-

Looks very good CFBC-cool- -smile

[CFBC]

Production Pictures of the latest 1/48th Spitfire from Hobby Master have just been posted in the Manufacturers Section (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=7119). -smile

[CFBC]

HA7101 and HA7102 from Hobby Master paired-up...

-cool-

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Pair1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Pair2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Pair3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Pair4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Pair5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Pair6.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/Pair7.jpg

More pictures of each one can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=6852) and here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=7119). -smile

[Dutchie]

Think you managed to show us the right colors!-cool-
Thanks a lot CFBC-smile
If all goes well DW-smile D will be in shop before Xmas-smile

[Grim Reaper]

Hate to be a party pooper but the cannons on HA 7102 DW-D look to be pointing down it may be a optical illussion caused by the camera-unsure-

[CFBC]

Hate to be a party pooper but the cannons on HA 7102 DW-D look to be pointing down it may be a optical illussion caused by the camera-unsure-

No, your not a party pooper Grim... My cannons had to be tickled a little and pushed-up slightly. -wacko-

I hope it was just the one I received... Time will tell.
-smile -sad-

[Grim Reaper]

No, your not a party pooper Grim... My cannons had to be tickled a little and pushed-up slightly. -wacko-

I hope it was just the one I received... Time will tell.
-smile -sad-

I bet you enjoyed getting your cannons tickled and pushed up-laugh- -laugh- -laugh-

[Red 2]

I bet you enjoyed getting your cannons tickled and pushed up-laugh- -laugh- -laugh-

-blink- -blink- Thanks for giving me nightmares tonight!-laugh-

[Grim Reaper]

-blink- -blink- Thanks for giving me nightmares tonight!-laugh-
You are welcome Red2 I aim to please-laugh-

[planejunky]

It's no secret that I'm a fan of the highback variety, but in this case I'd definately go for the low back version. It just looks better overall. -smile

[boondogger]

On the plus side I like the bubble top on JEJ (which is mainly why I ordered it) but on the negative side I'm not too keen on the clipped wing Spit. The elliptical wing is just sooo lovely. I think I prefer the white spinner on the other job too, but I think the low back/bubble top swung it for me on balance. It's just such a distinctive look. Pity it's just a bit post-war though. I like to think there was a bit of lead flying about.-biggrin-

[dilligafocau]

Left it a bit too long to get the Johnson Spit from the Mule.....they're all gone. Ended up ordering from MrJ's for not much more than a stateside purchase, I'll not be so tardy with the 2nd release -mellow-

[CFBC]

On the plus side I like the bubble top on JEJ (which is mainly why I ordered it) but on the negative side I'm not too keen on the clipped wing Spit. The elliptical wing is just sooo lovely. I think I prefer the white spinner on the other job too, but I think the low back/bubble top swung it for me on balance. It's just such a distinctive look. Pity it's just a bit post-war though. I like to think there was a bit of lead flying about.-biggrin-

Oh well, here are a few pictures of the JEJ.. I believe these are not getting out and about amongst the UK retailers. -smile

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/5d5a1719.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/1b315ac9.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/46bb9d5a.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/cf84dcaa.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/ddeda5a3.jpg

[uksubs]

Oh well, here are a few pictures of the JEJ.. I believe these are not getting out and about amongst the UK retailers. -smile

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/5d5a1719.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/1b315ac9.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/46bb9d5a.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/cf84dcaa.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7101%20Production/ddeda5a3.jpg

Great photos CFBC
Got my HB spitfire XIVE today to -smile

[uksubs]

On the plus side I like the bubble top on JEJ (which is mainly why I ordered it) but on the negative side I'm not too keen on the clipped wing Spit. The elliptical wing is just sooo lovely. I think I prefer the white spinner on the other job too, but I think the low back/bubble top swung it for me on balance. It's just such a distinctive look. Pity it's just a bit post-war though. I like to think there was a bit of lead flying about.-biggrin-

The reason why the Spitfire XIVE got clipped wings was that the air war in 1944/45 was played out at below 20.000ft & that wing gave the spitfire more roll rate
The Spitfire Mk18 had the bubble top & elliptical wing

[CFBC]

Got my HB spitfive XIVE today to -smile

Wow - You bought five Subs... -laugh- -laugh-
(Apologies for the keyboard)

[uksubs]

Wow - You bought five Subs... -laugh- -laugh-
(Apologies for the keyboard)

Ops -huh--laugh-

[boondogger]

The reason why the Spitfire XIVE got clipped wings was that the air war in 1944/45 was played out at below 20.000ft & that wing gave the spitfire more roll rate
The Spitfire Mk18 had the bubble top & elliptical wing

Okay, so bring on the Spit Mk 18! Listening Hobbymaster?-biggrin-

[uksubs]

Okay, so bring on the Spit Mk 18! Listening Hobbymaster?-biggrin-
This is the one -smilehttp://img525.imageshack.us/img525/755/spitfire18pl2ar6.jpg

[boondogger]

That is seriously cool, uksubs! Am I looking at plastic there or is there some purveyer of exotic diecast I don't know about?-smile

[uksubs]

That is seriously cool, uksubs! Am I looking at plastic there or is there some purveyer of exotic diecast I don't know about?-smile
Plastic m8 -sad-

[CFBC]

This is the one -smilehttp://img525.imageshack.us/img525/755/spitfire18pl2ar6.jpg

Who's is that? Manufactured or built kit m8? It looks pro-built and kit.

[Grim Reaper]

Ops -huh--laugh-

What Ops are you on subs is it a daring midnight diecast rescue mission-laugh-

[Arno 01]

Picked mine up from the NEC today, so here are 2 more pics, of what most be HM finest so far-biggrin-
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Arno01/SPIT1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Arno01/SPIT2.jpg

[The Defiant Man]

You'd have thought they'd have forked out for their own boxes.....-biggrin-

[Dutchie]

A reason more for Corgi to produce their own "Griffons"....-smile
nice pics Arno!!!-smile

[Agent X20]

Is Mrs Arno still about ??.... I mean all this diecast coming into the emporium.... What have you said to her to enable the longevity that you currently seem to enjoy...

??

[Arno 01]

Is Mrs Arno still about ??.... I mean all this diecast coming into the emporium.... What have you said to her to enable the longevity that you currently seem to enjoy...

??

Oh yes,very much about,bless her.She wants to move now, so good excuse for a diecast only room........-cool- -cool-

[Agent X20]

When she's gone then ....there will be a bit more room.... barf barf,,-biggrin- -biggrin-

[Arno 01]

When she's gone then ....there will be a bit more room.... barf barf,,-biggrin- -biggrin-

Wouldn`t want her to go, after all, had to find Diecast tolerant Females-laugh-

[boondogger]

Wouldn`t want her to go, after all, had to find Diecast tolerant Females-laugh-

You bet it is! I had a real problem with getting dicast past the portals of Boon Manor before Mrs Boon insisted on getting a couple of new dogs(much to my disgust, in the face of determined but ultimately futile opposition) Now they've pretty much trashed the place so I've got the moral high ground. And that's where I keep my burgeoning collection of diecast-well out of the reach of dogs.-smile

[Dutchie]

Picked up this afternoon the new Mk. XIVc, 610 Sqn. / Sqn Ldr R. Newbery
-june 1944. Must say it's a nice model. This one seems to have better proportions than the JEJ. I think because this one has the full Spitfire wing.
(not the clipped version). One thing is not a full 100%.....it's about the sliding hood. Hobbymaster oversized it just a little bit. When displayed open, I can very well live with that. Hope HM goes now for a Griffon Spitfire in BLUE, or the silver/red one of 41 Sqn-blush- -smile

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/P1010008-3.jpg

[uksubs]

Picked up this afternoon the new Mk. XIVc, 610 Sqn. / Sqn Ldr R. Newbery
-june 1944. Must say it's a nice model. This one seems to have better proportions than the JEJ. I think because this one has the full Spitfire wing.
(not the clipped version). One thing is not a full 100%.....it's about the sliding hood. Hobbymaster oversized it just a little bit. When displayed open, I can very well live with that. Hope HM goes now for a Griffon Spitfire in BLUE, or the silver/red one of 41 Sqn-blush- -smile

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff88/dutchie_393/P1010008-3.jpg
Very nice Dutchie
Would be nice to see a Sptfire XIX next

[von hitchofen]

would be nice if they could do YB-A, RN135, W/C "Ginger" Lacey's SEAC Spit XIV, as well

always looked well -cool- at Dx

[gary ford]

The UK release for the Spitfire XIVc will be second week Jan 08
The batch including the 1/72 P39s land in the UK 06 Jan 08

Production samples of the XIVc will be on display along with the 1/32 SBD at the Following Toy Fairs. The Pre-pro SBD as now landed.

Huntingdon 23 Dec 07
Donnington 27 Dec 07
Rebok 30 Dec 07
Doncaster 31 Dec 07
Newark 01 Jan 08

[Spitful]

Noticed on Hawkone's site the the next Spitire is to be another Mk. XIVc #RM656 "Jean Marie Maridor" and is to be shipped Feb. 25, 2008. I hope that they fix the two biggest problems that I have with the "Newbery". That of the canopy being to large and the camouflauge pattern should be close to the same as on the "Johnson" as it was a standard camo pattern followed on most Griffon Spitfires. I do not mean to be critical of Hobby Master I am just hoping they make a very nice diecast Spitfire better.-smile

[CFBC]

Noticed on Hawkone's site the the next Spitire is to be another Mk. XIVc #RM656 "Jean Marie Maridor" and is to be shipped Feb. 25, 2008. I hope that they fix the two biggest problems that I have with the "Newbery". That of the canopy being to large and the camoflauge pattern should be close to the same as on the "Johnson" as it was a standard camo pattern followed on most Griffon Spitfires. I do not mean to be critical of Hobby Master I am just hoping to make a very nice diecast better.-smile

AND THE PILOT SPITFUL! and the way he sits in the cockpit. Too low.....

[Red 2]

AND THE PILOT SPITFUL! and the way he sits in the cockpit. Too low.....

Heightist comment!-laugh-

[Spitful]

Oh, I forgot about that..... I have already bailed Johnnie out of his Spit and will do the same for Newbery. They need to be better.-smile

[dilligafocau]

Heightist comment!-laugh-


Apart-height :D

many thanks to the Goodies for that one

[von hitchofen]

Noticed on Hawkone's site the the next Spitire is to be another Mk. XIVc #RM656 "Jean Marie Maridor" -smile

fantastic! 91 Sqn, thats the one I'M buying!! -biggrin-

[Spitful]

When I first saw on Hawkone's site that the next Spitfire was to be the Maridor. I thought who was he? After reading what he did in this aircraft I will never forget. Great choice Hobby Master. I hope they include his story with everyone of these. It just makes this Spitfire that much more special.

[CFBC]

When I first saw on Hawkone's site that the next Spitfire was to be the Maridor. I thought who was he? After reading what he did in this aircraft I will never forget. Great choice Hobby Master. I hope they include his story with everyone of these. It just makes this Spitfire that much more special.

And for those of you not aware of the story, then please click here (http://www.benendenvillage.org.uk/maridor.htm)

-smile

[Spitful]

Thanks CFBC for posting Maridor's story.-smile

[dilligafocau]

Thanks CFBC for posting Maridor's story.-smile


Yes indeed, Jean Marie Maridor would have saved many lives that day.

[von hitchofen]

was recommended for a VC but his nationality got in the way

not usually a problem, but was this time apparently

[shuttle]

A very interesting story behind this Spitfire so well done to HM for recognising it a such and producing a worthy replica - I am looking forward to this one.

-smile Shuttle

[dilligafocau]

Just received the JEJ Spit yesterday, very nice indeed. Did'nt bother with the pilot as it looks good wheels down anyway, have already ordered a 2nd one of these.
My 1st 1/48th scale, it seems to have the right amount of detail without robbing oodles of real estate

The upcoming versions are definitely on my shopping list :)

[KO-B]

Picked up JEJ today from my local retailer and I'm pretty pleased with it. Of all the models I've bought over the years (including cars) this more than any, is one I wanted to see in the metal before laying down my hard earned. For some reason, photos just haven't done this model justice, and that's no disrespect to CFBC, Dutchie or others whose excellent pictures have illuminated this thread.

Sitting here on my desk the model looks great, the wingtips look fine, the panel lines don't look overdone and the printed details on the cowling aren't too obvious either.

The only thing I'll do to it will be to paint the mirror and probably leave the 1/55th (!) scale pilot out.

Definately to be recommended and if any of you are still sitting on the fence over this like I was, then take the plunge, I think you'll be pleased.

That's my first 1/48th, roll on the F9 Panther!

KO-B

[Dutchie]

Picked up JEJ today from my local retailer and I'm pretty pleased with it. Of all the models I've bought over the years (including cars) this more than any, is one I wanted to see in the metal before laying down my hard earned. For some reason, photos just haven't done this model justice, and that's no disrespect to CFBC, Dutchie or others whose excellent pictures have illuminated this thread.

Sitting here on my desk the model looks great, the wingtips look fine, the panel lines don't look overdone and the printed details on the cowling aren't too obvious either.

The only thing I'll do to it will be to paint the mirror and probably leave the 1/55th (!) scale pilot out.

Definately to be recommended and if any of you are still sitting on the fence over this like I was, then take the plunge, I think you'll be pleased.

That's my first 1/48th, roll on the F9 Panther!

KO-B

Think you are right KO-B, this model a difficult one to do realistic photograph.
But it's a nice one. Now waiting for the 91Sqn one-smile

[dilligafocau]

Think you are right KO-B, this model a difficult one to do realistic photograph.
But it's a nice one. Now waiting for the 91Sqn one-smile

This is the best photo I can do with my $100 Kodak and an old fluorescent light.....sadly the model deserves better -biggrin-

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/101_3739.jpg

The old hair dryer trick aint gonna work to turn this metal prop -unsure-

[KO-B]

This is the best photo I can do with my $100 Kodak and an old fluorescent light.....sadly the model deserves better -biggrin-

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/101_3739.jpg

The old hair dryer trick aint gonna work to turn this metal prop -unsure-

I think you'll need a leaf blower rather than a hair dryer to get that prop spinning dilligafocau! -biggrin- Nice picture for a $100 Kodak though!

The low camera angle seems to be the best way to photograph this particular model. It certainly looks much more aggressive than a Merlin Spit. They're all very, very pretty while this looks like it means big trouble for someone in the same way that Typhoons and Tempests do.

I think the issues I had with the JEJ before were not due to any perceived innaccuracies with the model as such, but simply that the proportions looked slightly odd, obviously down to the long Griffon nose coupled with the clipped wings - there's not a lot of difference between length and wingspan. However, as mentioned in my previous post as soon as I saw it in the metal I was sold. (As was the spit, of course!-wink- )

Drifting O/T very slightly, I received the Haynes Spitfire book from Santa and there are some very nice piccies of Griffon engined Seafires in there. I would dearly love one of those in this scale (or 1/72nd) as a companion to the HM Spits.

As for the Newberry, again I'd need to see this in the metal as the hood just doesn't look right. Of the pictures I've seen of this one it looks much better with the hood in the open position.

KO-B

[Spitful]

Dilligafocau I think KO-B is right about the leaf blower. Just be careful that it doesn't take off on you.-smile

[dilligafocau]

Dilligafocau I think KO-B is right about the leaf blower. Just be careful that it doesn't take off on you.-smile

I think you are right, the prop is that solid IT would probably remain stationary whilst the fuselage spins around :)

Another photo, better light different angle

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/dilligafocau/101_3783.jpg

[Dutchie]

Very nice picture Dilligafocau-cool- -cool- -cool- SUPER

[allan125]

Firstly, let me introduce myself – my name is Allan Hillman and I am a newbie to this site, and have been following the comments about the new Hobbymaster JEJ Spitfire XIV with great interest.

My own model arrived on 22 December and I am really pleased with it – except for the mini-JEJ pilot, the unpainted mirror, and the slight problem with the undercarriage coming down!!

My main hobby is the history of 125 Airfield/Wing June 1943 – July 1945, in which my father served at their HQ from April ’44 to July 1945 (Ford to Husum, via Copenhagen) hence my interests in both the new Hobbymaster XIV models as both MV268 and RB159, which is on order, flew with 125 Wing.

I thought that I would add some background details to JEJ and MV268 – which raised a few queries on the forum – so please don’t take me as pedantic, or wishing to cause controversy in my first posting, just someone who is as interested in accuracy in box text and artwork as in the aircraft itself!

Having read the comments about the JEJ being in front of the roundel let me assure forum members that this is perfectly correct. I have two photos – unfortunately neither show the serial number – taken at B.78 Eindhoven in early April 1945.

The model displays the camera hatches for an F.R version (Fighter Recce.) these were not used by the fighter squadrons of 125 Wing – unless someone has evidence to the contrary?

What is considered the Spitfire “bible” Morgan & Shacklady “Spitfire the History” states for the Spitfire XIV MT/MV series “All FR XIV Griffon 65 unless otherwise stated” and for MV268 it states FXIV, STN, 33MU 4-1-45, 130S 29-3, 401S 10-5, 411S 28-6 cd f/lnd Celle 4-3-46 – so how did Hobbymaster decide it was an FR XIV and not an F XIV?

Utilising the data above I have compiled this individual history. JEJ MV268 was a Spitfire F XIVe built under the 2nd order for 700 Mk VIII dated 27 July 1942, which were built as Mk’s VIII and XIV between December 1943 and October 1944. Built by Vickers-Armstrong (Supermarine) Ltd in Southampton (contract B980385/39) – MV268 was passed through No. 33 Maintenance Unit on 4 January 1945 and “issued” to 130 (Punjab) Squadron on 29 March 1945 (collected from 83 GSU at Dunsfold by Sgt Ronnie Ashman of 130 (Punjab) Squadron) – although taken up immediately by G/C “Johnnie” Johnson who had arrived the previous day, then to 401 (Ram) Squadron RCAF on 10 May 1945 and then passed to 411 (Grizzly Bear) Squadron RCAF on 28 June 1945, where it crashed forced landing at Celle on 4 March 1946.

At the end of the European war 130 (Punjab) Squadron handed it’s XIV’s to 126, not 127, RCAF Wing and 126 Wing were at B.116 Wunstorf – not Soltau - at war’s end , moving to B.152 Fassberg in Mid-May. And 127 RCAF Wing were at B.154 Reinsehlen. So where does Soltau come into it?

JEJ flew to B.160 Kastrup/Copenhagen just after the european war ended, initially in an Anson, and then in an XIV and stayed there with 125 Wing until late June 1945.

MV268

MV268 was delivered to B.78 Eindhoven by Sgt Ronnie Ashman of 130 (Punjab) squadron on 29 March 1945, who, in his book “Spitfire against the odds” writes of his trip to 83 GSU (83 Group Support Unit) at Dunsfold and finally “…That particular aircraft was the first and last of the modified Mark XIVe I ever saw, the rest of the production were shipped overseas to India and Burma. No doubt MV268 was snapped up by some brass-hat after some of the boys had tried her out. She never bore 130 Squadron’s identification letter of AP which would normally be painted on her, and I never saw her again.”

And with regard to the photos of RB159 shown on this site the camouflage patterns do not appear to match that of the plentiful supplies of original photos that exist of this aircraft – one of the most photographed XIV’s ever, something that was also commented on by Spitful a few days ago.

In a similar manner- the Gemini Aces Warbird GARAF1001 - Supermarine Spitfire Mk. 1Xe (MK 392), No.141 Wing. St. Croix - Sur - Mer, Normandy - Summer 1944 – it was 144 RCAF Wing comprising 441, 442 & 443 Squadrons and not 141 Wing, which never left the UK.

cheers

Allan

[prune]

And with regard to the photos of RB159 shown on this site the camouflage patterns do not appear to match that of the plentiful supplies of original photos that exist of this aircraft – one of the most photographed XIV’s ever, something that was also commented on by Spitful a few days ago.

Hello Allan,
The camo on the Starboard wing is off enough to put me off buying it,I hope they do another full span MkXIV with the right pattern.-sad-

[allan125]

Hello Allan,
The camo on the Starboard wing is off enough to put me off buying it,I hope they do another full span MkXIV with the right pattern.-sad-

Hello Prune

Let's hope they will do - but of more concern is the FR XIV and F XIV "problem" with JEJ!!

cheers

Allan

[eismeer]

Welcome to the Forum Allan and thanks for the info-cool-

Looks like we have another Spitfire nut to add to the mad house-biggrin-

[Sailor.]

Welcome to the Squadron old bean. You'll only be considered an expert when you can top Agent Carr's mastery of all things Spitfire! -wacko-

[allan125]

Welcome to the Squadron old bean. You'll only be considered an expert when you can top Agent Carr's mastery of all things Spitfire! -wacko-

Hello Sailor and Eismeer - Thanks for the warm welcome - Happy to help with anything Spitfire on the very slight offchance that Agent Carr can't help, if that is possible!!

I'm a long way from being an expert, but I have some good books to help me!!

Nice avatar by the way Sailor!!

cheers

Allan

[Sailor.]

Nice avatar by the way Sailor!!

It's the artwork from the ancient Revell Spitdire kit, always been one of my favourites. -smile

[The Defiant Man]

Welcome to the Squadron old bean. You'll only be considered an expert when you can top Agent Carr's mastery of all things Spitfire! -wacko-

I thought A/C was our resident Zero expert.....-laugh-

[Spitful]

Welcome Allan,
You are a great addition to the forum. Looking forward to your posts and threads.
P.S. You are right about the "Spitfire the History" book. It is a must have for any Spitfire nut.-smile

[hawkonevoodoo]

Hello Allan,
The camo on the Starboard wing is off enough to put me off buying it,I hope they do another full span MkXIV with the right pattern.-sad-

I have being in contact with Hobby Master in Hong Kong and they assure me the camo pattern will be correct on Maridor and any future releases.

[Spitful]

That is great news hawkonevoodoo. I think the Maridor will be a must have for alot of people. :)

[allan125]

Hi Hawkonevoodoo

Thanks for the update - pity they didn't do their research properly the first time, especially with regard to DW-D - surely one of the most photographed XIV's ever!!

cheers

Allan

[Spitful]

For those of you who purchased a Johnson or Newbery and want to paint the unpainted mirror on the canopy. I used flat olive drab with a little bit of flat black to darken it and it is a great match. :)

[scaleplanes]

The model displays the camera hatches for an F.R version (Fighter Recce.) these were not used by the fighter squadrons of 125 Wing – unless someone has evidence to the contrary?

– so how did Hobbymaster decide it was an FR XIV and not an F XIV?

The model is meant to represent an F.Mk XIVe and not an FR - that why the camera portholes have been painted over and it does say F.Mk.XIVe on the box. You will have to live with this feature as it will be no-doubt be utilised on future FR releases.

Alan, in the two pictures you have, can you see the position of the fuselage roundel? The position of the one on the model seems to be more forward than the standard position for the Mk XIV

[allan125]

The model is meant to represent an F.Mk XIVe and not an FR - that why the camera portholes have been painted over and it does say F.Mk.XIVe on the box. You will have to live with this feature as it will be no-doubt be utilised on future FR releases.

Alan, in the two pictures you have, can you see the position of the fuselage roundel? The position of the one on the model seems to be more forward than the standard position for the Mk XIV

Hi Scaleplanes

Mine says Spitfire Mk.XIVe on the box, nothing about F or FR, so maybe your box is different?

However, on the real thing the camera hatches would have also been painted over and they would still be an FR XIVe!! I have a photo of a 414 RCAF squadron bubble top with the camera hatch just forward of the roundel and another showing the roundel incorporated into the camera hatch.

Attached a copy of one of the photos showing the JEJ in front of the roundel - I will leave it up to you as to whether it is more forward than normal.

cheers

Allan

[scaleplanes]

Hi Scaleplanes

Mine says Spitfire Mk.XIVe on the box, nothing about F or FR, so maybe your box is different?

However, on the real thing the camera hatches would have also been painted over and they would still be an FR XIVe!! I have a photo of a 414 RCAF squadron bubble top with the camera hatch just forward of the roundel and another showing the roundel incorporated into the camera hatch.

Attached a copy of one of the photos showing the JEJ in front of the roundel - I will leave it up to you as to whether it is more forward than normal.
cheers
Allan

Thanks for the pic, can't really tell whether the roundel is in the correct position for MV268 from that photo.

The point I wanted to get through about the HM model is that, yes it is a FR. Mk XIVe but it wasn't specifically made for the JEJ example, so You have to live with the fact that it is a 'FR' attempting to pass off as an 'F'. The fact that the box states Mk.XIVe, you should read as an F.Mk XIVe as the 'F' is rarely used in reference to the standard fighter version.

I personally wouldn't have produced the model in any markings, other than those of an FR version but I guess HM thought JEJ was the best way to go for the 1st release and painting over the camera portholes is a cheaper option than another fuselage tool.

[col]

Works for me. I'm just looking forward to the PR / FR version in glorious PR blue and grateful to HM for giving us a MkXIV in the first place.
It'd be good to have 100% accuracy, but as Scaleplanes says, at what cost for a revised tooling.

[uksubs]

Works for me. I'm just looking forward to the PR / FR version in glorious PR blue and grateful to HM for giving us a MkXIV in the first place.
It'd be good to have 100% accuracy, but as Scaleplanes says, at what cost for a revised tooling.
Totally agree & for the money you can't go wrong

[allan125]

Works for me. I'm just looking forward to the PR / FR version in glorious PR blue and grateful to HM for giving us a MkXIV in the first place.
It'd be good to have 100% accuracy, but as Scaleplanes says, at what cost for a revised tooling.

Hi Col

All photos I have of the FR version are in normal camouflage - 414 RCAF Squadron generally flew with only one letter either side, behind the roundel on both sides so I suppose you could take the JEJ and overpaint it and paint a single letter behind the roundel and there you go - so you don't need to wait for a blue one for 100% authenticity!!

cheers

Allan

[col]

I can't see HM not doing a blue MkXIV - it just wouldn't be right not to:)
With my c**p painting skills I'll wait. HM seem to turn out different versions reasonably quickly and anyway it'll give the wallet time to recover.

[scaleplanes]

I can't see HM not doing a blue MkXIV - it just wouldn't be right not to:)
With my c**p painting skills I'll wait. HM seem to turn out different versions reasonably quickly and anyway it'll give the wallet time to recover.

When you say blue Mk XIV, I assume you mean a PRXIX? Unlikely for HM to do this version and if they did, you would have to put up with a lot more inaccuracies - different windshield, different rear section to the canopy, different canopy slide runners, pressurisation air scoop, wing tank booster pump blisters, ventral camera ports and add to all that, a clean wing with no gun hatches or spent cartridge shoots.

[col]

Yeah, sorry, meant the PRXIX. But, what I really mean is a XIV / XIX blue Spitfire. I would hope some of the differences can be accommodated - personally, I can overlook other minor ones.:)

[Spitful]

I agree with scaleplanes that there would need to be changes to the Newbery Spitfire XIV mold to make a PR. XIX. But I also agree with col that this is the best chance that we will ever have to get one. I think with a few changes not costing much HM could do it.

[Spitful]

Here is some ideas for HM to make the PR.XIX happen:
1. Buy an aftermarket canopy of a PR.XIX (would not have to open).
2. The pressure tube intake and booster blisters could be glued on before painting.
3. The gun covers fit so tight already all they need to do is just mold some without the cannon blister and then just glue them down.
4. The camera and access panel could be pad printed or a decal.
5. The spent cartridge shoots I'll leave up to HM to change or cover.
This would not cost much and give them more sales of the same mold. A win win for all of us.:)

[Dutchie]

We'll gona see a lot of Spits:cool:

[Spitful]

I hope so Dutchie. They could even do the PR.XIX's of the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight all three of them.:)

[hawkonevoodoo]

Here is some ideas for HM to make the PR.XIX happen:
1. Buy an aftermarket canopy of a PR.XIX (would not have to open).
2. The pressure tube intake and booster blisters could be glued on before painting.
3. The gun covers fit so tight already all they need to do is just mold some without the cannon blister and then just glue them down.
4. The camera and access panel could be pad printed or a decal.
5. The spent cartridge shoots I'll leave up to HM to change or cover.
This would not cost much and give them more sales of the same mold. A win win for all of us.:)


I copied this and will send it to Hobby Master in Hong Kong. Thanks.

[Agent X20]

... not fogetting a 10MP camera... working range....:D

[SSRST]

Hi,

I think that the PR.XIX has already been considered, and I have also heard some rumblings about the BBMF aircraft being done. Also, if you take a careful look at the Spitfire which we already have, the area on the bottom of the wing where the spent cartridge shoots are is made of plastic, and is a removable panel - with enough force.

Mark

[scaleplanes]

the area on the bottom of the wing where the spent cartridge shoots are is made of plastic, and is a removable panel - with enough force.

Only in the area of the cannons, the .303's section is metal. All the additional items can of cause be added in plastic but my main concern is the canopy - the rear section is different to all other Spitfires and would require (to be accurate) a tool mod or a new fuselage tool.

Double checked and..inner .303s are part of the plastic, but outers are part of the metal wing, so I guess the outer shoots can be hidden under the roundel

[allan125]

Just found this on the web and I don't think anybody else has come up with a picture on this thread?

"From Hobby Master Diecast this is a 1/48 scale model of the Spitfire Mk.XIV Jean-Marie Maridor, No.91 Squadron, West Malling, 1944. Hobby Master model number HA7103.

http://www.trinketstotreasures.com/hobby-master-spitfire-mk-xiv-jean-marie-1-48.html

This product will be in stock on Tuesday 01 April, 2008" - wonder when we will get it in the UK

pic attached from the site.

Looks good

Allan

[CFBC]

Take a look here (http://www.hobbymastercollector.com/HA7103DL-FMaridorSpitXIV.html) Allan.... It is the third release of the 1/48th from HM. :)

I would guess (and only guess) that we will see them around the same time here in the UK.

[allan125]

Hello CFBC

Thanks for the link - and for Col I have attached a colour photo of a clipped wing bubble top FR XIVE, of 414 Squadron RCAF, taken at B.156 Luneburg so he can see what mods he needs to make to his JEJ to gain another model.

cheers

Allan

[uksubs]

Hello CFBC

Thanks for the link - and for Col I have attached a colour photo of a clipped wing bubble top FR XIVE, of 414 Squadron RCAF, taken at B.156 Luneburg so he can see what mods he needs to make to his JEJ to gain another model.

cheers

Allan

Great photo Allan ;)

[scaleplanes]

Hello CFBC

Thanks for the link - and for Col I have attached a colour photo of a clipped wing bubble top FR XIVE, of 414 Squadron RCAF, taken at B.156 Luneburg so he can see what mods he needs to make to his JEJ to gain another model.

cheers

Allan

Nice pic.
Note the position of the fuselage roundel compared to HM JEJ

[col]

Hello CFBC

Thanks for the link - and for Col I have attached a colour photo of a clipped wing bubble top FR XIVE, of 414 Squadron RCAF, taken at B.156 Luneburg so he can see what mods he needs to make to his JEJ to gain another model.
Allan

Thanks Allan, I'll just pop down to the shed to get the hacksaw and blowtorch:LOL:

[CFBC]

Thanks Allan, I'll just pop down to the shed to get the hacksaw and blowtorch:LOL:

"Silly boy" :rolleyes:

[col]

Got the bit between my teeth for any blue Spit now:o . Aeroplane did an article on Swedish post war Spitfires some years ago. Believe these may have been Mk XIV and, possibly of a bluish hue??? or perhaps they were surplus XIXs:( . Anyway, I'll have to head up to the attic.

[Spitful]

Scaleplanes Quote:
All the additional items can of cause be added in plastic but my main concern is the canopy - the rear section is different to all other Spitfires and would require (to be accurate) a tool mod or a new fuselage tool.

Scaleplanes I have an idea of what you are talking about. But if you could be more specific about the canopy and fuselage problem it would help to see if there is something that can be done to fix it and still use the basic mold.:)

[uksubs]

[quote=scaleplanes;197279]Only in the area of the cannons, the .303's section is metal. All the additional items can of cause be added in plastic but my main concern is the canopy - the rear section is different to all other Spitfires and would require (to be accurate) a tool mod or a new fuselage tool.

Scaleplanes I have an idea of what you are talking about. But if you could be more specific about the canopy and fuselage problem it would help to see if there is something that can be done to fix it and still use the basic mold.:)



http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9949/spitfireprxixkstitlesj2.jpg
http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1998/08/stuff_eng_detail_spit19.htm

check out the above web site ^

[CFBC]

Nice find Subs. :cool

[Dutchie]

I hope so Dutchie. They could even do the PR.XIX's of the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight all three of them.:)

Let's start with the PS915 "The Last":)

[Dutchie]

[quote=Spitful;197309]



http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/9949/spitfireprxixkstitlesj2.jpg
http://ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/1998/08/stuff_eng_detail_spit19.htm

check out the above web site ^

This is :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: How nice it can be, a blue 1:48 HM Spitfire:)

[Spitful]

Great find subs. :) This should help alot with are questions on the PR.XIX
Mk.XIV differences.

[col]

C'mon Hawk, work that relationship with HM:)

[uksubs]

Great find subs. :) This should help alot with are questions on the PR.XIX
Mk.XIV differences.

I would love to see a Spitfire XIX as they were based at RAF Benson during the war witch is near to where i live :D

[Spitful]

Let's start with the PS915 "The Last":)

Sounds good to me Dutchie. Then HM can just keep going , and going ,and going.......:)

[scaleplanes]

Canopy comparison
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/scaleplanes/Spitcanopy.jpg

The rear canopy fixed section is larger and deeper and the runners are external rather than recessed. Also, the one piece windscreen merges with the fuselage in a different shape to the standard windscreen.

The HM fuselage moulding has the recess for a windshield with a flat front portion and part of the frame is moulded on the fuselage. The 'step' behind the main canopy which forms the base of the fixed portion, is also part of the fuselage casting.

Also, no entry door and thus, I think the cockpit may be slghtly wider

[Spitful]

Thanks Scaleplanes for your post and pictures. Very well done on the canopy details and other information. Like you I want the PR.XIX to be as accurate as possible. But if that is too expensive for Hobby Master they might not do it. So I will try to come up with some more ideas in hope that it helps to bring about a PR.XIX. If you or anybody else has ideas on this lets post them.:)

[scaleplanes]

Thanks Scaleplanes for your post and pictures. Very well done on the canopy details and other information. Like you I want the PR.XIX to be as accurate as possible. But if that is too expensive for Hobby Master they might not do it. So I will try to come up with some more ideas in hope that it helps to bring about a PR.XIX. If you or anybody else has ideas on this lets post them.:)

There is only three ways HM could do this. Firstly, the expensive root and make a complete new fuselage tool, a tool mod -which at this stage would be crazy and lastly, cobble together a canopy that is somewhere between a XIV and a XIX. After all that, you will still have to put up with a wing that has engraved lines where the cannon and .303 guns access panels are.

[scaleplanes]

Found a picture of a PR XIX with the standard canopy (and runners) and small fixed rear section but with curved windscreen - may be a compromise.
Will try and post picture later but for now, here are the details:-

RM632 PRXIX EA G65 Benson 6-5-44 542S 4-6-44 Abandoned 15m NE of Cromer returning from Ruhr 6-1-45

[scaleplanes]

Picture of RM632.
http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/scaleplanes/PRXIX.jpg
The first 22 PR XIXs did not have the pressurised cockpit or the canopy of the earlier PR X. These were probably Mk XIVs converted on the production line. They also had the cockpit access door so this is probably the best possible chance of HM doing a PRXIX. This however, still leaves the problem of the wing gun details and also I’d forgotten to mention before but the PRXIX, had the full span ailerons.

Here is a more accurate model conversion article:-

http://www.hyperscale.com/features/2000/spitfireprxixlk_1.htm
Anyone thinking of attempting this conversion should also note that the modeller has not realised that the fuselage cockpit walls are lower (for easier access?)than on the standard Spit.

[Spitful]

Here is some more ideas scaleplanes with the same mold:
1. The "step" behind the main canopy and forward of it can be machined down to match the PR.XIX.
2. The door could be glued in place and filled around. If it still shows that is O.K. as it did slightly on the wartime PR.XIX.
3. The front windshield,I think those smart people at HM can find a solution.
4. The external canopy runners can be pad printed.

[allan125]

Here is a nice side-on shot of an FR XIV - from, I believe, 414 (RCAF) Squadron.

cheers

Allan

[southyorkshireman]

as someone who has never noticed the lack of door on XIXs until it was pointed out, did the other pressureised versions also lack a door, and were foot holes fitted instead as per everything else?

[Spitful]

QUOTE=scaleplanes

The first 22 PR XIXs did not have the pressurised cockpit or the canopy of the earlier PR X. These were probably Mk XIVs converted on the production line. They also had the cockpit access door so this is probably the best possible chance of HM doing a PRXIX. This however, still leaves the problem of the wing gun details and also I’d forgotten to mention before but the PRXIX, had the full span ailerons.

Thanks again for your post on this. Here I go again.:wacko:
1. The pictures I have of the PR.XIX the fullspan ailerons do not stand out much and could just be a thin pad printed line to represent them.
2.The wing gun detail would matter most on the top of the wing but HM did such a nice job on the fit it should not be a problem.
3.As you mentioned the first 22 have almost all the characteristics of a MKXIV but are the first PR.XIXs. would make everything easier for HM.

[Spitful]

Here is a nice side-on shot of an FR XIV - from, I believe, 414 (RCAF) Squadron.

cheers

Allan

Nice picture Allan thanks for posting it. :)

[Spitful]

QUOTE=southyorkshireman
as someone who has never noticed the lack of door on XIXs until it was pointed out, did the other pressureised versions also lack a door, and were foot holes fitted instead as per everything else?

That is a good question. Hopefully some of our real experts know for sure I would be guessing.

[scaleplanes]

QUOTE=southyorkshireman
as someone who has never noticed the lack of door on XIXs until it was pointed out, did the other pressureised versions also lack a door, and were foot holes fitted instead as per everything else?

That is a good question. Hopefully some of our real experts know for sure I would be guessing.

I think the lack of door, was to do more with the new larger deeper canopy than the pressurisation system.

A little story involving the Spitfire Mk XIX that some of you may know and some may not:

I worked in Reconnaissance Intelligence in the RAF and during the mid eighties, I was posted to the Joint Air Reconnaissance Intelligence Centre near Huntingdon. This facility had a museum, devoted to the History of reconnaissance and in one section, is a series of photographs that tell a story.

The Spitfire PRXIX had a service ceiling of almost 50,000ft and was able to spy on the enemy, without them being aware that they were being watched. In fact, at the time of it’s entry into service, the Germans didn’t think the allies had a recce system capable of operating at that altitude.
On this occasion, a Spitfire XIX, flying at 48,000ft photographed a new German factory under construction - a huge building with a flat roof. On a follow-up recce, it was discovered that the Germans, had, on the roof of the factory, painted a continuation of the surrounding road system, in an attempt to blend it in with the surrounding urban layout. The next recce revealed that the Germans had either painted or laid grass on the roof, around the road system.
At this point, it was decided that rather than order the immediate destruction of the building , the RAF would continue photographing the factory, to see just how far the Germans were going to take this attempt at camouflaging the roof. Over the next series of photographs, you see a build up of road signs, bus stops, hedges, trees and flower gardens -all on the roof of this factory. In the final photograph, houses (probably plywood) appeared and the RAF deciding that the level of deception couldn’t be taken any further, bombed the factory.

[Dutchie]

Here is a nice side-on shot of an FR XIV - from, I believe, 414 (RCAF) Squadron.

cheers

Allan

thanks Allen:cool:

[uksubs]

I think the lack of door, was to do more with the new larger deeper canopy than the pressurisation system.

A little story involving the Spitfire Mk XIX that some of you may know and some may not:

I worked in Reconnaissance Intelligence in the RAF and during the mid eighties, I was posted to the Joint Air Reconnaissance Intelligence Centre near Huntingdon. This facility had a museum, devoted to the History of reconnaissance and in one section, is a series of photographs that tell a story.

The Spitfire PRXIX had a service ceiling of almost 50,000ft and was able to spy on the enemy, without them being aware that they were being watched. In fact, at the time of it’s entry into service, the Germans didn’t think the allies had a recce system capable of operating at that altitude.
On this occasion, a Spitfire XIX, flying at 48,000ft photographed a new German factory under construction - a huge building with a flat roof. On a follow-up recce, it was discovered that the Germans, had, on the roof of the factory, painted a continuation of the surrounding road system, in an attempt to blend it in with the surrounding urban layout. The next recce revealed that the Germans had either painted or laid grass on the roof, around the road system.
At this point, it was decided that rather than order the immediate destruction of the building , the RAF would continue photographing the factory, to see just how far the Germans were going to take this attempt at camouflaging the roof. Over the next series of photographs, you see a build up of road signs, bus stops, hedges, trees and flower gardens -all on the roof of this factory. In the final photograph, houses (probably plywood) appeared and the RAF deciding that the level of deception couldn’t be taken any further, bombed the factory.

Great stuff scaleplanes ;)

[CFBC]

Please be aware that the following photographs are of a pre-production model and have come directly from Hobby Master. Thank you to Hobby Master for allowing us the photographs.

HA7103 - Spitfire Mk. XIV, DL-F / RM656, 91 Sqn., Jean Marie Maridor, West Malling 1944

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7103%20Pre-pro/HA7103-1.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7103%20Pre-pro/HA7103-2.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7103%20Pre-pro/HA7103-3.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7103%20Pre-pro/HA7103-4.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7103%20Pre-pro/HA7103-5.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7103%20Pre-pro/HA7103-6.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7103%20Pre-pro/HA7103-7.jpg

[Spitful]

Thanks Hobby Master for the pictures and CFBC for posting them. :)

The "Maridor" looks great.

[dilligafocau]

Impo...this has 'buy me' written all over it :cool:


As spitful said, thanks to HM & CFBC for the photos :)

[Spitful]

IMHO the good new things on the Maridor:
1. The camouflage pattern has been corrected compared to the Newbery.
2. The addition of the pitot tube.
3. The painted canopy mirror.

Area of concern:
1. The fuselage roundels white band is too wide and should be like the Johnson.
2. Make sure to take care of the drooping wingtip problem that was on the Newbery.
Thanks

[Spitful]

I know that there will be a post here about the pilot still being small. After receiving my Newbery and trying larger 1/48 scale pilots in the cockpit. It is easy to see why HM had to make the pilot so small. The canopy tabs molded to keep the canopy in place make it impossible to close the canopy with the larger pilots. But if you stll want a larger pilot all you have to do is take the canopy clear off by pinching it put the larger pilot in and again pinch the canopy back into place. Be careful you don't pinch to hard and I would not do that too many times. Or you can open the cockpit door and gently twist the canopy off and put the pilot in and twist the canopy back into place and close the door.

[Agent X20]

.. and get the tailplanes square on to the rest of the model....

[Spitful]

I have not heard of that being a problem on the production diecast. Hopefully just this pro-pro and will be corrected on the production ones.:)

[Dutchie]

Thanks CFBC, invasion stripes are making this model:cool: :cool: :cool:

[col]

That looks simply superb.

[Nimrod48]

IMHO the good new things on the Maridor:
1. The camouflage pattern has been corrected compared to the Newbery.
2. The addition of the pitot tube.
3. The painted canopy mirror.

Area of concern:
1. The fuselage roundels white band is too wide and should be like the Johnson.
2. Make sure to take care of the drooping wingtip problem that was on the Newbery.
Thanks

Lets have an end to the droopy cannon too :)

[SSRST]

That is absolutely gorgeous! Far nicer to look at than either of the previous spitfires. The codes however, and the spinner, are very blue when they should be sky which is more yellow/greeny than that.

[Spitful]

Nimrod48 ;Lets have an end to the droopy cannon too :)

On the three HM Spitfires I have they do tend to droop down slightly. But as CFBC said earlier you just need to "tickle" them. But be very careful as they are plastic. Hopefully HM will adjust them so we do not have too.:)

[Spitful]

QUOTE=SSRST; The codes however, and the spinner, are very blue when they should be sky which is more yellow/greeny than that.

SSRST on my computer screen they are BRIGHT lime green. I do not know what causes this difference but hopefully it is our computer screens and they will be the same color as on the Newbery. Now if that is right I do not know for sure but I have not seen any complaints about the color. Yet:)

[shuttle]

I am really looking forward to the 3rd release. I am very happy with the second one but with a lot of HM releases they only seem to iron out the 'bugs' by the 3rd/4th release.....

Here are various pictures of my HM Spitfire with the 'Kent' Spitfire and the first Corgi 1/32 scale release - these are my favourite Spitfires in these scales.

:) Shuttle

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Spitfire2-1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Spitfire3-1.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/crawfie65/Spitfire4.jpg

[SSRST]

Spitful, yes my apologies, they are more of a greeny colour, but either way they are far far too bright and should be as the Newbery which Shuttle has added photos of now.

[Spitful]

QUOTE=SSRST;Spitful, yes my apologies, they are more of a greeny colour, but either way they are far far too bright and should be as the Newbery which Shuttle has added photos of now.

SSRST you have nothing to apologize to me for you are right. :)
I am hoping it was the lighting or the flash from the camera that made the codes and spinner so bright and not an actual change of color.

[Spitful]

Thanks for the pictures shuttle.:)
You really captured the colors of the HM Newbery and the Corgi PR*F. I hope to duplicate at home your pictures as soon as my Kent Spitfire arrives.
I agree with you the PR*F is IMHO the best 1/32 Spitfire of them all. It just looks exactly what I think a BOB Spitfire should look like.

I will get under my desk now and wait for the fallout.:)

[Dutchie]

Nice pictures Shuttle:cool: :cool: :cool:

[prune]

I agree with you the PR*F is IMHO the best 1/32 Spitfire of them all. It just looks exactly what I think a BOB Spitfire should look like.

I will get under my desk now and wait for the fallout.:)

I agree,I've only got the Lane Spit,and as much as I like it,the yellow spinner always grates slightly,as not being typical B.o.B.
PR-F is on my must have list.

[Agent X20]

,the yellow spinner always grates slightly,as not being ... weathered like the rest of the plane...:D

[Spitful]

QUOTE=prune;I agree,I've only got the Lane Spit,and as much as I like it,the yellow spinner always grates slightly,as not being typical B.o.B.
PR-F is on my must have list.

The hardest choice in all the years of my diecast collecting was which 1/32
Spitfire the Lane or the PR*F to buy as they came out at the same time here. Looking back I wish I had purchase the Lane also with all of its weathering is just such a fantastic piece of diecast.

[Sailor.]

:wacko: Put some floor polish on the spinner to matt it down a tad. :wacko:

[Nimrod48]

Nimrod48 ;Lets have an end to the droopy cannon too :)

On the three HM Spitfires I have they do tend to droop down slightly. But as CFBC said earlier you just need to "tickle" them. But be very careful as they are plastic. Hopefully HM will adjust them so we do not have too.:)

Yes Spitful I did "tickle" them on my bubble top Spit thankfuly the material is quite "bendy" ....now I hear we have to watch out for droopy wing tips too :wacko:

[Martin Bull]

Thanks CFBC, invasion stripes are making this model:cool: :cool: :cool:

Quite so - I may have to have a dabble at this one.....:cool:

[Dutchie]

Quite so - I may have to have a dabble at this one.....:cool:

Yes Martin, the HobbyMaster Spitfires are very nice models. Going to appreciate them more and more. Think there will be a lot of nice schemes coming up:) But first the "invasion" - one:cool: :)

[von hitchofen]

[http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Hobby%20Master/HA7103%20Pre-pro/HA7103-1.jpg]

Definitely the one for me! :cool

[AV8TORJoe]

[

Definitely the one for me! :cool

Same here for me! I'm also glad I waited for this one as I'm a sucker for Spits with invasion stripes. :cool:

I'm going to have to pair this one up with the Tamiya 1:48 V-1 doodlebug kit, since the pilot of this plane died trying to destroy the flying bomb before it hit a hospital...it's my way of honouring the brave chap.

[Martin Bull]

I'm going to have to pair this one up with the Tamiya 1:48 V-1 doodlebug kit, since the pilot of this plane died trying to destroy the flying bomb before it hit a hospital...it's my way of honouring the brave chap.

That's a really nice idea, and I reckon the two models would make an eye-catching display.....:cool:

[uksubs]

Same here for me! I'm also glad I waited for this one as I'm a sucker for Spits with invasion stripes. :cool:

I'm going to have to pair this one up with the Tamiya 1:48 V-1 doodlebug kit, since the pilot of this plane died trying to destroy the flying bomb before it hit a hospital...it's my way of honouring the brave chap.

I was thinking the same thing last night after looking at Tamiya 1:48 V-1 doodlebug ki ;)
They do a nice He 219 in 1/48 as well :D

[theodore]

I have both of HobbyMaster's Mk XIV's (Johnson's clipped wings with a bubble canopy and Newberry's 'regular' wings with a Malcolm hood) and they are outstanding!! :) I'm looking forward to HobbyMaster's next 1/48th scale aircraft......:cool:

[allan125]

Gentlemen

Right at the beginning of this topic we have two beautiful grey pre-pro's - does anybody know where it is possible to purchase similar for self painting?

I have the JEJ and am expecting daily the Newberry version but, without going plastic which I already have, is it possible to purchase an unmarked Newberry version as I have a few paint jobs in mind that could not be adapted from the Maridor version because they would not be full invasion stripes. i.e. from either 350 (Belgian) squadron or 130 (Punjab) squadron when they had the "reduced" markings in September 1944?

I know that I could adapt the "Newberry" easier than painting a blank, but I then have the problem of converting the markings from DW to MN or AP (the individual code could be left - unless someone knows a good source of 1/48 decals to make up the squadron letters and aircraft serial?

As a basis I have photos of MN-S RM693 and then with the same aircraft a few days later at Antwerp/Deurne with the MN overpainted with AP.

Similarly, I am looking for a Belgian markings F.16 diecast that is not either the Tigers or Recce versions - just plain grey - the "Model Power Postage Stamp Planes 5399 F-16C Falcon Diecast Model Belgian Air Force" I have traced on the web appears to have Dutch horizontal markings on the tail, and the roundels black/white/red whereas the correct Belgian roundel is black/yellow/red, and vertical black/yellow/red on the tail?

I am, preferably, looking for either 1/72 or 1/48?

I wish to "produce" an F.16 in the markings of 350 Squadron of the Belgian Air Component as I have had the privilege of sitting in a couple at Florennes in 2004, and also "flying" in the F.16 flight simulator there.

cheers

Allan

[CFBC]

Gentlemen

Right at the beginning of this topic we have two beautiful grey pre-pro's - does anybody know where it is possible to purchase similar for self painting?

Hi Allan,

It is not possible to buy pre-pro's or a grey version... Best bet is simply to buy two, mod one.... :)

[Shamrock]

I think the Newbury one is even more impressive than JEJ :D

[Agent X20]

Gentlemen

Right at the beginning of this topic we have two beautiful grey pre-pro's - does anybody know where it is possible to purchase similar for self painting?

For the life of me I cannot see why manufacturers dont bring out naked versions for people to paint up as they see fit.. Okay there are these first shot models but they are silly money and they are assembled...

I think they, and I include the likes of Inflight in this, are really missing a trick here.

And on the basis that you are capable to paint em, they would need to come in bits, so basically a metal kit... think of all that labour saved..

[col]

And on the basis that you are capable to paint em, they would need to come in bits, so basically a metal kit... think of all that labour saved..

I mentioned this on a thread sometime last year. Corgi produced some 'kit' versions of their BoB film diecast years back. Package of bits, 2 tins of paint and a paintbrush. I made a complete hash of a Spitfire, mind:)

[allan125]

Gentlemen

Thanks for your comments about the Spitfire XIV, I see Agent 20 agrees with my piece about naked versions :D - but has anyone any ideas about obtaining suitable 1/48 scale decals that I could utilise - or a 1/48 and/or 1/72 grey Belgian F.16 at all?

Does anyone also know if the humbrol paint used on plastic kits would also be suitable to overpaint on a diecast model as I have the appropriate RAF grey/green colours already?

cheers

Allan

[prune]

Allan try here for decals
http://www.hannants.co.uk/

Enamel or acrylic paint used on plastic kits will work fine on diecast.Acrylic is good,fast drying so you can re-coat quickly.

[scaleplanes]

For the life of me I cannot see why manufacturers dont bring out naked versions for people to paint up as they see fit.. Okay there are these first shot models but they are silly money and they are assembled...

I think they, and I include the likes of Inflight in this, are really missing a trick here.

And on the basis that you are capable to paint em, they would need to come in bits, so basically a metal kit... think of all that labour saved..

Agent, CDC Armour have already tried that with their Makit 1/100 & 1/48 range - it bombed!

These were essentially the current FM stuff in kit form with primed metal parts and a superb decal sheet.

Italeri, announced a few years ago that they would release a range of metal kits too but nothing has materialised. Annoyingly, they were also going to release the old Casadio 1/48 scale high detail metal kits - a FW190A and a Spitfire MkXIVc and Seafire FR 47!

[theodore]

Gentlemen

Thanks for your comments about the Spitfire XIV, I see Agent 20 agrees with my piece about naked versions :D - but has anyone any ideas about obtaining suitable 1/48 scale decals that I could utilise - or a 1/48 and/or 1/72 grey Belgian F.16 at all?


cheers

Allan


Hello Allan,

The company that I would recommend for decals and supplies you seek for plastic or diecast models is called 'Squadron Mail Order' and they are headquartered in Dallas, Texas, USA. You can find virtually anything you want on their website: www.squadronmailorder.com. I have ordered from them many times in the past and have had excellent service from them. I hope this helps you!! :)

[allan125]

Hello Allan,

The company that I would recommend for decals and supplies you seek for plastic or diecast models is called 'Squadron Mail Order' and they are headquartered in Dallas, Texas, USA. You can find virtually anything you want on their website: www.squadronmailorder.com. I have ordered from them many times in the past and have had excellent service from them. I hope this helps you!! :)

Hi Theodore

Many thanks - I will give them a try, and perhaps should have done so a few weeks ago when the pound was stronger!!! :)

cheers

Allan

[kevjb64]

Finally got round to picking both of these up today and apart from the issues already mentioned about the short **** pilot :( they are very nice models indeed . :)

[scaleplanes]

Finally got round to picking both of these up today and apart from the issues already mentioned about the short **** pilot :( they are very nice models indeed . :)

Just picked up the XIVc today too.......why does it have a Mk XVIII rudder??

Now that gives me an idea:D

[Phantom Phixer]

If only they would do a PR XIX in PRU blue with a set of D Day stripes. mmmmmmm

[uksubs]

Just picked up the XIVc today too.......why does it have a Mk XVIII rudder??

Now that gives me an idea:D

The XVIII was basically a MkXIV with strengthened wings and undercarriage and substantially increased internal fuel tankage
The Spitfire MK22 had a new tail

[scaleplanes]

The XVIII was basically a MkXIV with strengthened wings and undercarriage and substantially increased internal fuel tankage

.........and a bigger rudder!

[uksubs]

.........and a bigger rudder!

Don't think so :confused:

[scaleplanes]

Don't think so :confused:

Research prevents confusion!

In all fairness, this is one of those little mods that only model makers seem to know about:)

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/scaleplanes/spitrudders-1.jpg

[uksubs]

Research prevents confusion!

In all fairness, this is one of those little mods that only model makers seem to know about:)

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/scaleplanes/spitrudders-1.jpg

I done some of my own Research today & are think your find that the Spitfire MK 18 as got the same tail as the late Spitfire Mk XIVE :)
So the tail on the HM Spitfire XIVE is right
Thanks for pointing out about the different tails on the Mk 14 :)

[scaleplanes]

I done some of my own Research today & are think your find that the Spitfire MK 18 as got the same tail as the late Spitfire Mk XIVE :)
So the tail on the HM Spitfire XIVE is right


Didn't say that the rudder on the XIVe was wrong -it's HM's XIVc that has the bigger rudder!

The bigger rudder on the 18 was because of the increased power of the Griffon 67 and also that the 18 was built for close support -the rudder providing improved yaw control for rocket firing.

When you look at rudders on XIV's, don't count current warbirds; a lot of these have had the bigger rudder fitted as a mod.

[uksubs]

Didn't say that the rudder on the XIVe was wrong -it's HM's XIVc that has the bigger rudder!

The bigger rudder on the 18 was because of the increased power of the Griffon 67 and also that the 18 was built for close support -the rudder providing improved yaw control for rocket firing.

When you look at rudders on XIV's, don't count current war birds; a lot of these have had the bigger rudder fitted as a mod.

The rudder on the Spitfire Mk 18 is the same as a late Mk 14
The Spitfire Mk 18 did not have a new rudder ,
The Spitfire Mk 18 had the same speed as the Mk 14

Externally the Mk XVIII was very similar to late production Mk XIVs (http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_spitfire_mkXIV.html). It had the bubble canopy and cut back fuselage. It was armed with the “e” wing, with two 20mm cannon and two .50in machine guns, or four 20mm cannon. 300 were produced, 200 of which were FR (Fighter Reconnaissance) aircraft, which sacrificed some fuel capacity to carry two F.24 vertical cameras and one F.24 oblique camera. It used either a 2,035 hp Griffon 65 or a 2,340 hp Griffon 67. The Mk XVIII saw service after the Second World War, in Malaya and in Palestine.

[scaleplanes]

The rudder on the Spitfire Mk 18 is the same as a late Mk 14

Some late XIVe's had the same rudder (probably associated with the fitting of the Griffon 67) as the 18 but it was a bigger rudder than the standard XIV rudder.

My original observation was that the Hobby Master Mk XIVc has the bigger rudder associated with the Mk 18 (and late XIVe's) which is wrong.

If you have both HM Spitfires, compare the rudders; the XIVc is bigger!

[david cotton]

Do any of these 1/48 scale HM Spitfires have a pilot in the cockpit :unsure:

[uksubs]

Some late XIVe's had the same rudder (probably associated with the fitting of the Griffon 67) as the 18 but it was a bigger rudder than the standard XIV rudder.

My original observation was that the Hobby Master Mk XIVc has the bigger rudder associated with the Mk 18 (and late XIVe's) which is wrong.

If you have both HM Spitfires, compare the rudders; the XIVc is bigger!

This is what you posted [quote=scaleplanes;201743]Just picked up the XIVc today too.......why does it have a Mk XVIII rudder??


Externally the Mk XVIII was very similar to late production Mk XIVs (http://www.historyofwar.org/articles/weapons_spitfire_mkXIV.html). It had the bubble canopy and cut back fuselage. It was armed with the “e” wing, with two 20mm cannon and two .50in machine guns, or four 20mm cannon. 300 were produced, 200 of which were FR (Fighter Reconnaissance) aircraft, which sacrificed some fuel capacity to carry two F.24 vertical cameras and one F.24 oblique camera. It used either a 2,035 hp Griffon 65 or a2,340 hp Griffon 67

Your right The HM Spitfire XIVc tail is bigger than standard , but it not a Mk XVIII tail as the XIV had them first

[uksubs]

Do any of these 1/48 scale HM Spitfires have a pilot in the cockpit :unsure:

Yes they do Dc , but there on the small size :(

[david cotton]

Yes they do Dc , but there on the small size :(

Is that all of them, or just some of them :unsure:

If only some , which ones :)

[uksubs]

Is that all of them, or just some of them :unsure:

If only some , which ones :)

The first two :LOL:

[Pilgrim_uk]

The gun covers on the 1/32 spits are pointless least the GMP covers are hinged/magnetic and you can see something.

[Agent X20]

Funnily enough did mention gun covers to Mr Ford when the pre-pro was doing its rounds (this being the 1/48th thread) but they were too far ahead then to turn back and save themselves a small fortune...:D

[scaleplanes]

Your right The HM Spitfire XIVc tail is bigger than standard , but it not a Mk XVIII tail as the XIV had them first

Late Mk XIVe's were built after Mk 18's so may be the big rudder is an 18 rudder. However, whether the big rudder is called a late Mk XIVe rudder or a F Mk 18 rudder, it’s still wrong to fit it on a Mk XIVc, which is what HM have done!!

[uksubs]

Late Mk XIVe's were built after Mk 18's so may be the big rudder is an 18 rudder. However, whether the big rudder is called a late Mk XIVe rudder or a F Mk 18 rudder, it’s still wrong to fit it on a Mk XIVc, which is what HM have done!!

late Mk 14 were used in ETO in 1944/45 long before Mk 18 saw action;):LOL:

The Mk 18 was to made to replace the spitfire Mk 14 , that why it called Mk 18