1/72 Civils.. bit hopeful...

[Agent X20]

So its gotta be a Dak......

BEA early 50's please... come on Mr Raf,, support please..!!

Agent X20

[ascot]

A bit hopeful....understatement of the week there :D

[Agent X20]

One can dream...!!

[ascot]

Dream on fella..!! :rolleyes:

[raff]

Hi guys!

It's great to be back ... and what better way to start it all off than by bickering with Agent and Ascot again ... it's like nothing ever happened!

Of course Corgi must do a Dak. in 1/72.
Think about it. It's the only model they can turn out in more versions and schemes than even a Liberator, ...it appeals to both "civvy" and military collectors alike .... on both sides of the pond ...nobody else is doing even a half decent one, .... and finally, ... most important of all ... I WANT ONE!

I bet a quid to go to CFBC's charity [it's still extant] that you can't name one model that would offer Corgi as much potential for sales .... go on then!

As I said before .... it's great to be back ...

raf [I had to add another "f" to me signature .. now what could that stand for?]

[Agent X20]

7x7 series..

Agent X20

[raff]

7x7 series..

Agent X20

Have you no soul!!!? Them's is jets! Even allowing for the fact thatt you've slipped in a whole series ... never!
raff

[jasgreeny]

Yes please mr corgi ill have a 1.72 Dak, vietnam gunship version please :)

[ascot]

Vietnam gunship version limited to 1000. Like raff says there are so many versions for Corgi to choose from they could chuck out loads of different liveries all limited to 1000.....................no doubt though they would go for 7000 :mad:

Ascot :)

[Agent X20]

Have you no soul!!!? Them's is jets! Even allowing for the fact thatt you've slipped in a whole series ... never!
raff

Some one said something about an 'R'...

Either would be nice.. in fact any civil from Corgi...

Agent X20

[Typhoon-MKV]

Nah - Invasion stripe version - but then again that should be in 1/72nd Military !!!!!!! :eek: :eek:

[shuttle]

A Dakota in 1/72 would be perfect for Corgi. The same sort of size as the Wellington so not as expensive as a Lanc, B17 or B24, and a hugh amount of civil and military schemes. I would like a D-Day version first (BBMF?) followed by a colourful commercial version. How about if they also did a cheaper 'Legends' version as well!!

;) Shuttle

[ascot]

Never fear the Legends one must be coming soon maybe with a York and Connie....as for 1/72 anyones guess!! :confused:

[Agent X20]

As in 1/72 C-47, loading ramps and jeep...

or...........Flying supplies of soap from one end of the bath to the other..!!

Agent X20..

(Ignore comment about York.... no please...)

[raff]

A Dakota in 1/72 would be perfect for Corgi. The same sort of size as the Wellington so not as expensive as a Lanc, B17 or B24, and a hugh amount of civil and military schemes. I would like a D-Day version first (BBMF?) followed by a colourful commercial version. How about if they also did a cheaper 'Legends' version as well!!

;) Shuttle

Shuttle,

Good to see you made it here! Great Napoleonic quotation! I trust there is no copyright on it? ... it's going up in the office.

Like the suggestions so far Guys but ... what about "Que Sera" in 1/72?

YES!!!!!

raff

[goonybird]

Heh heh, Wot about the wings and tail off the 1/72nd Lancaster, new fuselage. Oh my God! an Avro York in 1/72nd. Now how did that get in here. :D
Seriously though a Dak has to be on. And no that's not coz of my name. I actually prefer Connies and Strats.

[Agent X20]

Sacre bleu.. Un York Francais a 1/32!!!

Bon...

Agent X20

[shuttle]

Good to see you made it here! Great Napoleonic quotation! I trust there is no copyright on it? ... it's going up in the office.

Like the suggestions so far Guys but ... what about "Que Sera" in 1/72?

RAFF,

If Napoleon wants to sue me then bring it on!! The 'Que Sera' would look very nice in 1/72 scale. When Corgi produce a 1/72 scale Hercules they could also do an Artic version to complement it!

Agent, I suggested that Corgi produce some 1/72 scale vehicles before to complement the aircraft. I have purchased some neat little 1/72 scale jeeps for a quid a throw from Modelzone. They look very nice with the American WWII stuff.

:) Shuttle

[Agent X20]

Am quite surprised that there hasnt been RAF and USAAF sets to go with the models, they must be able to call on some old castings..

Alternative Marketing Strategy Number 614

Agent X20

[BSteinIPMS]

raf [I had to add another "f" to me signature .. now what could that stand for?]

Well, as erudite and as cut-to-the-chase as your posts are, it obviously can't be the second half of "Riff", now, can it?

Hmmmmm, let's see now, RAF ----F = FIXED? Marriage? Vasectomy?

F = Free? Divorced?

F = Foxy? You can sneak multiple AAs into your loft without Mrs. RAFF noticing?

F = Full? Your loft won't tolerate the weight of even one more Corgi AA?

Okay, I give up! :eek:

[Agent X20]

Could be F as in French Connectioned...... :)

Agent X20

[raff]

Could be F as in French Connectioned...... :)

Agent X20

Very close ...

raff

[Agent X20]

Flabbergasted or Flubbered....

[Horrido!]

I'd have to build a Civil wing to house them in but I would like a DC3, VC10, Britannia, Concorde, Comet (then we could have a Nimrod as well (can't retool says the absent Albert) - just to be going on with.

[Agent X20]

Yeah.. and in 1/72 as well.. stick Mrs Agent in the shed...

[Horrido!]

Interesting, a sub with a shed :confused:

[Agent X20]

Shed's back at base... silly.. Subs for patrols..

Beaufighter - now!... sounds more like a command yer give a dog... fat chance.. in fact fat chance of anything really.....

[Horrido!]

Silly me - on both counts.

[raff]

Shed's back at base... silly.. Subs for patrols..

Beaufighter - now!... sounds more like a command yer give a dog... fat chance.. in fact fat chance of anything really.....

Well, I dunno.
Far be it for me to adopt the role of Corgi apologist, but this year, among others, we have had, or will have had, 1/32 Mosquitos and 109Gs, 1/72 Wellingtons and Canberras. Now I know they may not have been everyone's choice of subject or scale, .. [you can't please all the people etc.] ... but if someone had told me a couple of years ago these models would be on the market I might have said "fat chance" too!

I reckon the concentration on 1/32 tooling restricted their budget for other 1/72 models in 2004 but I do think we may well see the emphasis change next year once the "Nice ones Corgi .... but we just ain't got the room for more!" effect has registered. IMHO we will then get a higher proportion of new tooling with a better than "evens" chance of the Beaufighter being among them... along with the Mitchell, Me 110 and Avenger .... not forgetting of course my Dak. [if anyone at Corgi has an ounce sense!]

Yer never know ... there might even be a return to the 1/144 civvy!

So cheer up me old fruit ... I see no grounds for such pessimism.

raff

[Agent X20]

.. why.. no civil for ages.. thats why.. abandoned collector... but there again now feel that there is a case of naivety here and that I shouldnt have relied on Corgi for reperesentation of Civilian Aviation..!! :D (to me rather silly, there aint too many nutters out there willing to pay £20-£50 for die cast toys.. lose them.. you end up with loads of overpriced stock..)

I see your points, but they have to make something... so as per the plastic manufacturers, the gestation will follow the 'normal' route.. however would say that obviously there has been a 'personal element' to this.... hence the Bucc and Canberra... (and in reality I bet both of those are and will be costing the company dearly..) What to me even as a civilian collector has been the grave ommission of many military schemes that would have certainly enhanced the profitability and collectability as against what has been offered.

I think theres a lot more to the delay in Mosquito launch (somewhere theres an AWACS in amoungst that lot) than meets the eyeball... but going any further down that line will involve moderation..!!!

I think words like 'watch this space' and 'hanging by a thread' sum up the future here for the adult collector.....

more pills.. at least they are not taxed...

[raff]

at least they are not taxed...

Not yet they ain't ... but Gordon will no doubt get round to it.

As you know, I share your frustration at the lack of 1/144 civvies ... [if not jets, which do nothing for me at all] and I agree that the performance of some of the recent releases may give Corgi pause for thought.
The only model still being released that was part of the first launch is the DC-3 , and I've long been pushing for a DC-4/6/7. IMHO these would do just as well.

I still hope that particular penny may drop at Corgi. Not wishing to speak for those no longer with us, ... but I know Uncle Albert was in favour and if all comes to pass as we anticipate ... his voice may yet be heard.

Al.

[Agent X20]

Be nice but I seriously doubt it...

[Albert Ross]

Well, I dunno.
Far be it for me to adopt the role of Corgi apologist, but this year, among others, we have had, or will have had, 1/32 Mosquitos and 109Gs, 1/72 Wellingtons and Canberras. Now I know they may not have been everyone's choice of subject or scale, .. [you can't please all the people etc.] ... but if someone had told me a couple of years ago these models would be on the market I might have said "fat chance" too!

I reckon the concentration on 1/32 tooling restricted their budget for other 1/72 models in 2004 but I do think we may well see the emphasis change next year once the "Nice ones Corgi .... but we just ain't got the room for more!" effect has registered. IMHO we will then get a higher proportion of new tooling with a better than "evens" chance of the Beaufighter being among them... along with the Mitchell, Me 110 and Avenger .... not forgetting of course my Dak. [if anyone at Corgi has an ounce sense!]

Absolutely right! I have warned Corgi and size and price many times and there are no plans for any new 1/32nd subjects next year

Yer never know ... there might even be a return to the 1/144 civvy!

So cheer up me old fruit ... I see no grounds for such pessimism.

raff

Absolutely right, I have warned Corgi about size/price and next year there are no new 1/32nd scale subjects planned so far!

[Albert Ross]

at least they are not taxed...

Not yet they ain't ... but Gordon will no doubt get round to it.

As you know, I share your frustration at the lack of 1/144 civvies ... [if not jets, which do nothing for me at all] and I agree that the performance of some of the recent releases may give Corgi pause for thought.
The only model still being released that was part of the first launch is the DC-3 , and I've long been pushing for a DC-4/6/7. IMHO these would do just as well.

I still hope that particular penny may drop at Corgi. Not wishing to speak for those no longer with us, ... but I know Uncle Albert was in favour and if all comes to pass as we anticipate ... his voice may yet be heard.

Al.

Thou speak and it shall be granted! I am still trying for a 1/72nd scale Dak, so don't give up hope. I should mention the small (I think about 1/200th scale) Corgi DC-3s just released. First we have BEA and QANTAS and Air Atlantique to follow. For those that have seen them, I hope you'll agree they are little gems and at £4.99 a bargain. Anything under a tenner has got to please Agent, especially a BEA Dak!

[I love planes]

:eek: Cool!! A 1:72 Dak would be awesome! Would kind of complete my set, so to speak. D-day version, Band of Brothers? Hmmmmm........

[jasgreeny]

Keep that preasure on Albert im looking forward to me 1.72dak and 2nd mr i love planes ill have a band of brothers version

[Agent X20]

Absolutely right, I have warned Corgi about size/price and next year there are no new 1/32nd scale subjects planned so far!

Ah well thats put paid to a Zero... :( :( :(

[Albert Ross]

Ah well thats put paid to a Zero... :( :( :(

Yes, such a shame there will be no 1/32nd Zero, as you would have had another chance to cry 'tenner' again! :o

[Lofty]

Thats cost you a pound Albert :D

[Agent X20]

I think Alberts being a little silly.. £25 bottoms for a 32 Zero....

(With that information the Corgi presses start rolling...!! and 25,000 Pearl Harbor Zeros start their unending march to the toyshops...

".. we dont need no education....)

[Albert Ross]

Keep that preasure on Albert im looking forward to me 1.72dak and 2nd mr i love planes ill have a band of brothers version

Would you like opening cargo doors and a set of paratroopers with that, folding undercarriage etc??

[spock1]

:) Albert,

What an excellent idea, but if its not already authorised and booked for 2005 release then don't anyone hold their breath on it seeing the light of day with the famous Welsh dog motif branding....... :eek:

[charley]

Thats a good move the 1:72 Dak!

I agree that the 1:32's are lovely but i know for me enough is enough! Im gonna pass on the 1:32 109 and may have a go at a Mossie! Once i have seen one first.

I was delighted with my 1:32 Spitfire, and very disapointed with my 1:32 BBD Mustang.

:(

[jasgreeny]

Would you like opening cargo doors and a set of paratroopers with that, folding undercarriage etc??

:) yes please, rather have a little jeep inside :)

[Typhoon-MKV]

Yeah a 1/72 Dak - yes please - preferably one in the BBMF colours, sorry to go military in the Civil Forum :eek: :eek: :eek:

[ascot]

Stealth

Wash your mouth out with soap and water bringing you militaristic views to this peaceful civvie enclave.

Thumbs up for the BBMF colourscheme though :p

Ascot :)

[Agent X20]

Would you like opening cargo doors and a set of paratroopers with that, folding undercarriage etc??

Naw.. Floats please.....

[Kiwi Dave]

...and waterproof with folding wings so it can be stored and launched from your sub. :)

[raff]

Would you like opening cargo doors and a set of paratroopers with that, folding undercarriage etc??

Albert,

Yes please! Opening cargo doors, folding undercarriage and flaps!!!

The paratroopers only if removable.
The idea of a jeep and ramps as "extras" appeals though. :rolleyes:

[Just opening another packet of Joss sticks to burn.]

raff

[Agent X20]

Scuse this thread/section we have the Pioneer BEA model... you need military 1/72.. :D :D :D

I want 1/72 Stewardesses.... ;)

[spock1]

I want 1/72 Stewardesses.... ;)
;) Better still 1/1 ................ :)

[Agent X20]

Better still 1/1 50's stewardess.. Muriel Pavlow gets my vote...!!! :D

[raff]

Scuse this thread/section we have the Pioneer BEA model... you need military 1/72.. :D :D :D

I want 1/72 Stewardesses.... ;)

OOOPS!

Albert! You've just got me torped!... Stewardesses if you must ... but not the type who look like they began flying when Pontius was a pilot!

raff

[Agent X20]

That would cut out a certain Dan Air of London.. Airspeed Ambassadors with Granny Stewardesses.... :D .................memories...!!

[raff]

I think they all went on to Continental!
raff

[raff]

That would cut out a certain Dan Air of London.. Airspeed Ambassadors with Granny Stewardesses.... :D .................memories...!!

Talking of Ambassadors, was wandering around Duxford last week end. Dunno if you've seen it, but in one of the hangars they are re-building the last remaining airframe [ex Dan Air] to static display condition. Fascinating to see one again ... I'd forgotten how graceful they were .. not to mention that BEA called them the Elizabethan.

Before anyone asks ... No! There is no chance of an AA model!

raff

[Agent X20]

I remember flying on the ****** things.... It kinda was never popular after wiping out a fair portion of Busby's Babes, and it never really overcame that sort of stigma.. although it wasnt a bad plane for its time...

[raff]

Yeah there's quite a bit of blurb relating to that incident posted in front of it. Shame really as it also says that because of the uninterupted views offered by the large windows it was very popular with passengers. I guess though that that long ago you would have to have been "helped up" to look out? :rolleyes:
raff

[Agent X20]

Naw.. it did have large windows.. These planes were all of the same mould.. Ambassador.. Herald.. Fokker F27 Friendship.. all them after that.. we want to build a bigger DC3 replacement and make as many as we can and these planes do it better cos of the high wing, everyone gets a view.. fuselage is lower to the ground as propellors have a bit of clearance..no wing spars to hide or climb over..and we only need little steps to get peeps on and off....

Should have been the same for the DH146 / HS146 / BAe 146 / Avro whatever, but for some reason whilst we can design planes, we cant make em or sell em.....

[raff]

Just in case anyone thought I was going to let this drop! :rolleyes:


DAKOTA !!!DAKOTA !!!DAKOTA !!!

[Agent X20]

you will end up in a right State (with dem Yankees) if you keep that up.....!!

[raff]

you will end up in a right State (with dem Yankees) if you keep that up.....!!

SKYTRAIN, SKYTRAINSKYTRAIN, Skytrain!!!


:D

raff

[Agent X20]

I thought these ridiculous attempts at promoting your business through the forum were not permitted.... :D :mad: :D

Worked it out now... raff is not the Merc owning lottery winner

........for raff read Sir Freddie Laker.... £59 to New York.... :D

[raff]

If I was I doubt if I could sleep at night thinking about what Easyjet, Ryan etc. have been able to do since then. A little before his time methinks? :rolleyes:

raff

[Agent X20]

Well he set it up for Branson...

No Freddie.. Branson would not have got past the starting line.... IMHO

[raff]

Well he set it up for Branson...

No Freddie.. Branson would not have got past the starting line.... IMHO


I think you're spot on. I don't think the big boys could risk doing it again.

A better example if anything.

raff

[Agent X20]

Had time for Sir Freddie.... pity the mark 2 Laker never made it.... :(

[Agent X20]

So anyone out ther building the new 1/72 Airfix/Heller Concorde.... why not Corgi...!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[raff]

Cos they're too busy engineering my [and 2000 other collector's] DC-3.

raff :rolleyes:

[Lofty]

You wish.... :p

[Agent X20]

ha ha.....

[raff]

Oh ye of little faith.

raff :rolleyes:

[Agent X20]

Well a nice BEA one... I'll have one... rather they concentrated on the 1/144's and gave us a VC10....!!

[raff]

A 1/144 VC ******10 instead of a 1/72 Dak?????? :eek: :mad: :confused: :eek: :eek:

Agent! ... are you still in there somewhere?

Quick! Nurse ... the super strengths ... now!!!

raff

[Agent X20]

Rather have both... but the 1/144ths are (my) favourites......

Would love to see as said before a BEA Dak.. in 1/72, that would look nice on the sideboard if they could get the metal finish right...

but really want a VC10 and Trident etc

Anyway must go and have a swear on another thread.... :D

[BSteinIPMS]

A 1/144 VC ******10 instead of a 1/72 Dak?????? :eek: :mad: :confused: :eek: :eek:

Agent! ... are you still in there somewhere?

Quick! Nurse ... the super strengths ... now!!!

raff

raff, my dear misguided friend, of course we want a 1/144 VC10 before a 1/72 Dak. Are you quite mad? :D

[Agent X20]

and a Trident....

[goonybird]

Agent, can we not get a poll for VC10 in 144th, as this is my most wanted model, and I want one BAD add a bit of support from bob the yank and raff and we're chocks away :D

[raff]

raff, my dear misguided friend, of course we want a 1/144 VC10 before a 1/72 Dak. Are you quite mad? :D

Quite quite, possibly ...but not as ****** barmy as Corgi will be if they do!

Soul less smelly jets in preference to props! :eek: ... never sir .. never I say!

And if I can get these straps undone I'll be over there to tell you so in person!

raff :p

[shuttle]

I think we are going to get a 1/72 scale Dakota. It has all the plus points Corgi need to justify a new model:

Popular world wide
Civil and Military usage
A reasonable size

A 100% cert!!

:D Shuttle

[eismeer]

Agent, can we not get a poll for VC10 in 144th, as this is my most wanted model, and I want one BAD add a bit of support from bob the yank and raff and we're chocks away :D



Yeah, i will support that as well. BOAC and a Brize tanker. Cheques already signed ;) .

[eismeer]

Just had a thought. If we ever get a BOAC VC10, maybe they could model it on the one that was blown up by terrorists in the desert all those years ago. As a child at the time it was an image that has always remained with me. Would be nice to commemorate it if thats the word to use.

[Agent X20]

.. complete with exploding bits... no... start of with a nice standard VC10.. 60's BOAC colours... then work our way up to a Super.... then tankers.. oohh...

Same with the Trident....!!

More chance of diecast pink flying things.... lets do some more sand coloured thingys.... :mad: :mad: :mad:

[eismeer]

Working features on civils.......... now theres a thought Agent :D

BEA Tridents an 111's....just dreamin'

[Agent X20]

Die cast Vanguards with their own set of steps...!! that would be a feat of engineering..!!

[eismeer]

Vanguards to go with me Viscounts. Really is too good to hope for :cool:

[Agent X20]

Nice little Viking as well be good... profit in that would be a darn site better than these 72's..!!

[eismeer]

Have to agree Agent. Since i started collecting AA's i have now bought my fair share of civies and am getting more and more into them. Still love my military stuff but like you was dissapointed to see Corgi left out any new releases in last half.

[Agent X20]

Theres many more civil collectors than I think Corgi realise.. most of them though collect the smaller 200/400 scales...

[eismeer]

Yeah and some of those 200/400 scales look very good too. Not got any myself but thats not saying i wouldn't. Been looking at a few on evilbay but not yet took the plunge. Problem is where do you draw the line :) .

[Agent X20]

Yep.. where do you start... where do you finish and how mant cock ups do you make along the way..!!!!!

[goonybird]

Nice little Viking as well be good... profit in that would be a darn site better than these 72's..!!
Isn't the viking made from wellington bits?? mmm 1/72nd viking. :D

[Agent X20]

Yes it is... sorry was... Varsity to..? Go nicely with me 1/72 Lancastrian and Halton Alberts promised..!!

[raff]

Now a Varsity is something on my fantasy list. Once did a flight deck trip in one from Topcliffe and have loved 'em ever since. Nice day glow panels etc.
But, ... not a chance in hell!
1] Limited [very] range of alternative schemes, and 2] our Yank mates wouldn't have a clue what it was [with the probable exception of our Bob] .... so very few sales there.
No. About as much chance as a Firebrand.
raff

[Agent X20]

Or even a Warwick then..!!

[eismeer]

Nice Varsity at Cosford Museum. In RAE colours too. :cool:

[Agent X20]

.. and one at Dux.. but looking very tatty..

[BSteinIPMS]

Or even a Warwick then..!!

Profile Publications #229, "Vickers-Armstrongs Warwick variants" has a number of interesting color schemes, especially the center-spread:a Coastal Command machine in the Slate Grey/Extra Dark Sea Grey scheme with D-Day stripes, ASV antennae, and carrying a lifeboat.

This would make a great companion model in 1/144 to the forthcoming ( :rolleyes: ) 1/144 Wellington. :D

[NeilD]

And they're planning a 1/72 VC10.. :eek:

no prices.. if you have to ask, you cant afford it, etc etc.. :D

http://www.conquestmodels.com/BEAtrident/Trident.htm

Neil.

[BSteinIPMS]

And they're planning a 1/72 VC10.. :eek:

no prices.. if you have to ask, you cant afford it, etc etc.. :D

http://www.conquestmodels.com/BEAtrident/Trident.htm

Neil.

Oooooooh. Me want! What a beauty, eh? Extended leading edge devices, deployed Fowler flaps, loads of detail, including the undersurfaces. This is, apparently, a first-class model.

Thanks, Neil. I'll dream about this one tonight. ;)

[Agent X20]

Nice..... :D

[Rusty]

And they're planning a 1/72 VC10.. :eek:

no prices.. if you have to ask, you cant afford it, etc etc.. :D

http://www.conquestmodels.com/BEAtrident/Trident.htm

Neil.

They also do this: http://www.conquestmodels.com/LufthansaB744/Lufthansa744-6.htm

Mmmmmmmmmm, 1:50 scale, if only i had money to burn

[Agent X20]

Prefered this one..

[Rusty]

Prefered this one..

A fan of the classics then...

Couldn't afford that model though (nor could I afford the one behind and to the left in all probability)...

EDIT: Wait, did you buy that? Or are you just dreaming (like I am)? As it's an attachment and because of your vague comment I'm not sure which... If it is taken in your sub pen please excuse any inappropriate comments!

[Agent X20]

No... Mrs Agent wont let me have a model that size in the sub or anywhere else for that matter... be it horizontal or vertical...

.. trouble as the warranty on Mrs Agent has expired and the bodywork has corroded a little, consequently the part exchange value has gone to pot... I would need to put a lot of cash into the deal to upgrade to that one.. and I guess it would just be another load of teething problems.. whereas we had those done with Mrs Agent when she was still under guarantee..!! :D :D :D

[Albert Ross]

Prefered this one..

We've been there before! We all know you are talking about the 'model' on the left of this picture :D

[Albert Ross]

Two new 1/72nd transports planned for 2008!! Hmmmm!!:rolleyes:

[shuttle]

The Dakota has to be one of them?

:) Shuttle

[The Defiant Man]

The Dakota has to be one of them?

:) Shuttle
Must be......:unsure:

Could be another 23 months away though......if it's not delayed!:rolleyes:

[buzzard]

C-119 would be cool, though not very civil..:unsure:

[Albert Ross]

C-119 would be cool, though not very civil..:unsure:
...it would also cost a Packet!!!:LOL:

[Upkeep]

Die cast Vanguards with their own set of steps...!! that would be a feat of engineering..!!

That would also make for one healthy piece of diecast! A Vickers Vanguard would be a superb choice, if I do say so. As elegant as the Bristol Britannia. I'll have my Vanguard in Trans-Canada Airlines livery, please.

/U

[Agent X20]

I'll have my Vanguard in Trans-Canada Airlines livery, please.

/U

No surprises there....:D :D :D

.......funny this old thread.. one of the first and that BEA Dak seems so near and yet just as far away.....