What are the gems of the AA civils?

[snafu]

I'm very familiar with the hot military items. My Dad collects civils and I wondered what are the gems in the civils line up? What are the Gallands, Ducks, Yeagars of the civil planes?

[Agent X20]

In decending order it would seem to be

Dan Air Comet.. these were at three figures for a little while...
BOAC anything.... depends on the time of the month.. and who is paying..
Was the white TWA Connie then it slumped.. but then Goony decided to have a cull so it might still be up there....

But then some civils aint been on the Bay for some time.. gawd knows what a Cunard Brit would fetch....

[snafu]

Interesting Agent. I did get him the TWA Connie last Christmas to complete his Connie collection and he bought the blue tailed BOAC Brittania at Donnington.

Be interesting to hear Goonybirds views on this.

[scramble]

I agree with Agent about the Dan Air Comet
i also add the Transocean Stratocruiser
and the BOAC Sunderland

[Agent X20]

Naw.. Transocean Strat available - £12 now...
BOAC Sunderland - £30.... could be a good un for the future though....

PM if details required..

(best Civil I suppose is the BOAC Mossie but thats not really what you meant...)

[scramble]

Oh i see what you mean...in term of monetary value...I was refering to my preferences.....well must be the Bristol Brittanias then.

[raff]

In terms of value .. I hadn't realised that the Cunard Eagle Brittania was particularly sought after until I read Agents posts.
Most of my favourites do seem to have held their value quite well. Has already been said, these are the BOAC types, Connie, Comet, early Brittania and Stratocrusers which all seem to be at around the £35-£45 level at toy fairs. Even the York [which I particularly like], is around the £20 mark.
I also like the Air France Connie and that seems to be at the £25 -£35 level.
These are all off the top of my head observations ... but that's my impression.
One of my other favourites is the later BEA [red wing panel] Viscount and that seems to have held up too. The white TWA Connie is also a very nice model ... Goonybirds actions to increase their rarity index was unpleasant to watch but has at least increased their value!
IMHO I think all of the above will do well in terms of value in future.
Raff

[Agent X20]

Dont know about it being particularily sought after, as in valuable, just that one aint come on the Bay for years... there were not that many in the first place..

Hard to get if yer didnt get them first time around.. which I did not.. :mad:

Guess the BUA one will head that way as well... but that one I got... :D

[Agent Carr]

I love the first issue Dan Air Comet also lucky to pick one up for two tenners this year. Corgi goes do some fantastic civil aircraft and I hope they do more in the near future.

[goonybird]

MMM I'll go with whats said. But I'll still add my ten pence worth!
Dakota - Air Atlantique u/l
Constellation - TWA White Top u/l and BOAC (2400), Air France (1800) is one to watch
Viscount - British Midland (2500) and Aer Fungus (2100). Capital one to watch only 1300 and maybe TAA (1500) Northeast (1700) as well. In Fact most of these will go up I'm convinced. Watch KLM (1700)and RAE (1500)
Stratocruiser- BOAC u/l and PAN AM u/l .BTW Transocean complete duffer!
Comet - Dan Dare, BOAC (3100) and (1300), BEA u/l and RAF TC u/l both on the up, to watch.
Britannia - Cunard (1300) watch BOAC (3500) and (1600), RAF TC (2700), and as Agent says, BUA (1500) needs watching closely.
Sunderland- Silver BOAC u/l. Watch camo one (2700) too many I fear.
707 - BOAC (1900). Watch Qantas (1800), DAN DARE (1600) Bargain £15 at the present!!! and TWA/PAN AM Trouble with last two is the 5000 each made

Things to note are 1) most of these are less than 2000 issued. 2) anything BOAC or to a lesser degree BEA and Dan Dare is worth hanging on to in UK.
Obviously if in the US of A then read PAN AM, TWA.
*Surely again this proves there is a limited market circa 1500 on civils. :)

[BSteinIPMS]

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[Agent X20]

Be nice to see a white top Blue globe Pan Am Strat..... 1500 of those would fly out the door... or even white tail BOAC Strat.. again another 1500 would go fairly quickly..

Bargains that are out there at the moment..

Pan Am 707.. I know there are 5000 of them but there are millions of Yankee peeps... They must have used up at least 25 of them in Catch Me If You Can.. This will be a valuable model one day... and you do get a lot of metal if you can pick one up for a tenner... best to pay £15 and get a good box...

Same goes for TWA but I fear not as popular or as iconic of the sixties as the Pan Am one..

As per Mr Gooney the Dan Air 707 is a bargain at the moment.. the Quantas was there but they seem to have dried up a little..

The UAA Comet.. these are still at the oyfairs at very little money, there are only supposed to be 1600 of them and they are a nice model..

The BUA Britannia, if you can still pick one up cheap, is a very good model as are the metal BOAC ones of which there still seems to be a few around.

The KLM Viscount is still available for very little money and there aint that many of them..

But the nice things about the civils.. there are still bargains out there..!!

[BSteinIPMS]

How about a Commonwealth Games B-707 for $29.95? Does this represent a bargain? And if so, do I want one? :D

[Agent X20]

They were about £8 - £10 over here... (about £55 was full retail.. I nearly bought one at that as well but thankfully I did not) at the toyfairs... Suppose if you have to have all the 707's as a collector then you need to have it.. so theres one in the loft somewhere.. dont suppose it will ever be worth anything.... You could always repaint it!!!!

So a bargain.. mmmm not really
Do You need one... No
Do you want one... that I am afraid is your choice....
Sorry cant be more helpfull...

[goonybird]

Agent , Oddie today at heathrow fair- Cunard brit £49. He says White TWA connie getting very rare :p

[diecaster]

I think that the Cunard price was a bit of tongue in cheek as that's what some other dealer (from the Eastligh area) got on the bay for it recently, I'm told that that is also why the RAF Brits have gone up to mid £50s. Not complaining though if the prices are heading that way as both of these are currently hangared in Corgiworld :D :D

I can't help thinking that my Commonwealth 707 was overpriced, mind you I did but it from a hotel on the Bath Road..before I was declared peronsa non grata (whatever that means) and I then discovered Oddie Corgis and toy fairs ... and have spent and saved a fortune ever since :rolleyes:

Diecaster

[goonybird]

Bought from that same Bath Road Hotel Co. myself. Got a white Lanc when it came out and paid full retail. Trick was, they gave you a free parking pass for hotel car park (all day) and Pink elephant Car park in Airport about £13 for a day. so reckoned I was up on the deal. did you have a table today , if so where were you? :)

[Agent X20]

They go for what ever you can get for them... The Cunard Brits are like hens teeth... BUT there aint that many peeps that actually want one.. £49 is only the RRP anyway for a Brit isnt it..? Its so ****** long ago they did any civils I have forgotten what the prices are...!! Hell of a lot more metal in a Brit than a Donald.....!!! so to defend Bob, it aint a bad price... Dont forget it is his living....

The white Connies were rare, in fact they used to be about £40 and were the first high priced secondary.. (Aussie Mossies just were not about) however the last ones to go on the Bay havent gone for very much..

DO WATCH OUT though.. some of the white Connies seem to suffer with the transfers peeling away.... (I know they aint transfers but you know what I mean) .. anyone know why this should be.. temperature.. damp.. ???

[goonybird]

They are transfers on the tailplanes of early connies. Air india flags were crooked on mine and with a bit of care soaked them and slid to correct positon, did same on KLM and TWA (Gawd Bless Her!). Then very light coat of clear humbrol varnish over the top. Qantas didn't seem to be afflicted. And Braniff onward were tampo printed or whetever they do. I think if I were after a Cunard Brit £49 doesn't seem too bad, except it goes against the grain to pay this much? Depends how bad you want it I suppose. Mine came from Bob at a small local toyfair and I paid 30 notes, thought it might be difficult to get if i didn't have it at the time. :)

[Agent X20]

Its one of the disadvatages of not preordering... but hey think I am still in credit... Thanks for the info on the Connies.. I havent tried to peel my transfers off.... or set fire to them for that matter..!!

[central]

For me the gems must be the two BOAC Comets and the Capital Viscount. These are the only civils I need. The Capital Viscount is particularly perplexing as there were loads about for a while and I ignored them think I already had one in my collection ! Using e-Bay as a measure of rarity, I think the Capital Viscount takes the prize as (unless I have missed it) there hasn't been one on there for months.

If anybody knows where I can obtain one, a PM would be appreciated.

Cheers.

Central.

[Albert Ross]

ALL the airliners that have come out after the BEA Airtours Comet 4B are my responsibility and I would agree with Agent on the most sought after list. However, I love them all, as they are 'my babies', particularly the United Arab Airlines Comet and TAA Viscount, as these are two of the most detailed and accurate airliners we have done.

[CFBC]

Albert,

Just for your information at the NEC, we have had a number of "could be" members approach us and asked us what has happened to the civils..... :eek:

Well, luckily at the time, G/B was at hand and gev them the full inside story along with your address, so expect the ladz to be knocking on yer door!! ;)

Seriously though...... Get those civils going again and I ain't a civil lad!! :)

[Agent X20]

There are a lot more civil collectors out there... however most collect the 'other' scales..

[NeilD]

I was talking to a mate last night I'd not spoken to for a while and we got on to the subject of Corgi AA (i'd forgotten he collected them) and quite unprompted he said "why dont they do a DC7 or a VC10" !! he wondered why I laughed!! so yes, its not just 'us' !
Neil.

[goonybird]

ALL the airliners that have come out after the BEA Airtours Comet 4B are my responsibility and I would agree with Agent on the most sought after list. However, I love them all, as they are 'my babies', particularly the United Arab Airlines Comet and TAA Viscount, as these are two of the most detailed and accurate airliners we have done.

So that puts you out of a job then! :p

[Agent X20]

Bout time he was put to work on the VC10 collection..!!! :p :D

[eismeer]

I must admit i was quite surprised at just how many civie aircraft i have collected since i started collecting AA's. I have only been collecting for a short time and have always been military minded but i now have 16 Viscounts, 5 Comets and 3 Britannias and my interest in spam cans has grown enormously and all because of Corgi civies.

Although i still love my mill stuff i also wanna see more civie releases and as stated a BOAC VC10 and a BEA Vanguard would be nice for starters.

Come on Corgi, you know it makes sense :) .

[raff]

Tricatus states on his "Unofficial Corgi" site, [where incidentally there are some cracking photographs of this model] that only 1300 Capital Viscounts were released. I would think that what may have been a bit of a surplus to start with has since been whittled down as more and more civvie collectors became aware of the range.
Another favourite Viscount of mine is the 47607 BEA [red panel] version .... and I don't see many of those around now either.

As for the future, I said in the Flight Recorder thread, it looks like the demand for more civvies has been recognised, and I look forward to seeing what the second half of 2005 may bring. I can only hope that that means there will be some new tooling in there somewhere.
Personally I'd pass on the VC-10 as a first choice, [one man's meat etc.]
not my bag as they say, but I can't help but wonder if there are enough possible variations in livery to enable Corgi to get a good return on the necessary investment.
IMHO they would ultimately make much more money out of my DC-4/6/7 in 1/144. [certainly more than from some recent releases!]
There is almost as much scope for variations as there was for the Dakota, [the only model from when the range first started that is still being released] and I believe, they would hold a much greater appeal for collectors on the other side of the pond.
Raff

[goonybird]

Yes RAFF. VC10 has a load of schemes, RAF and civil. would you not want a Transport command VC10 to go with the Comet and Britannia?? So you get the mil and Agent et al are kept happy with the BOAC etc. Both this and the BAC111 are a missing link, capable of both mil and civvy schemes. With the DCxxx I reckon DC6 to cover a good range of schemes. DC7 was dying when it was launched a bit like the Starliner. Other nice one would be Electra with possible conversion to Orion. All these are not obscure types, with popularity worldwide. Bring on a DC5 !! some hope there!!! :o

[raff]

Yes RAFF. VC10 has a load of schemes, RAF and civil. would you not want a Transport command VC10 to go with the Comet and Britannia?? So you get the mil and Agent et al are kept happy with the BOAC etc. Both this and the BAC111 are a missing link, capable of both mil and civvy schemes. With the DCxxx I reckon DC6 to cover a good range of schemes. DC7 was dying when it was launched a bit like the Starliner. Other nice one would be Electra with possible conversion to Orion. All these are not obscure types, with popularity worldwide. Bring on a DC5 !! some hope there!!! :o

Yup, I understand where they're coming from on the VC-10, but after the RAF and BOAC versions? BA, Ghana Airways, Gulf Air, Caledonia, the Sultan of Oman's .. and I think that's about it. I can't see those generating much appeal .... but I admit to being biased ... with only the Comet 4 as a possible exception, civvie jets just don't "do it" for me. :(
Raff :p

[BSteinIPMS]

Yup, I understand where they're coming from on the VC-10, but after the RAF and BOAC versions? BA, Ghana Airways, Gulf Air, Caledonia, the Sultan of Oman's .. and I think that's about it. I can't see those generating much appeal .... but I admit to being biased ... with only the Comet 4 as a possible exception, civvie jets just don't "do it" for me. :(
Raff :p

Dear highly-esteemed albeit militaristic raff, :D

1. No fewer than 3 BOAC liveries for standard VC10.
4. BOAC Super VC10
5. Middle East Airlines (MEA)
6. British Airways (old)
7. British Airways (new=Union Jack tail)
8. Gulf Air (old & new)
10. United Arab Emirates
11. British United Airways
12. Sierra Leone
13. Caledonian/BUA
14. British Caledonian
15. Sultan of Oman
16. Ghana Airways (old & new)
18. Nigeria Airways (in BOAC livery)
19. Nigeria Airways (new)
20. East African Airways
21. Air Malawi
22. RAF Air Transport Command (white/grey)
23. RAF - Royal Aircraft Establishment
24. RAF (glossy grey)
25. RAF - Rolls-Royce RB211 Flying Test Bed
26. RAF tanker (hemp/grey)
27. RAF tanker (green/grey/light grey)
28. Eddie Stobart :eek:

[Agent X20]

Pass on the VC10.... how dare he..

DC4/6/7 be great of Corgi could get their US arm into gear but I feel for a mainstream toymaker, it would only be bought by the real enthusiasts.. ( I'll have as many as I can get but we are in the minority here raff)

Naw VC10 .. UK plane for UK market with the Yankees buying the odd one or two.. plus there cant be THAT much detail to the mold..!!!

Naw despite all our rantings.. we aint gonna see new civils.. cos they will have sold all the silver keeping the 1/72's afloat...

(All gonna go tytes up.. mark my words..) Cannot be sustained...

[NeilD]

... VC10, heading towards its twilight years, lots of retiring aircrew who'd love a model as a leaving pressie, stick some in the NAAFI shop at Brize, blah blah blah.. now is the time to pick up sales from non-collectors... so yep, it won't happen, just like the 40th anniv. Red Arrows boxed set etc etc.. lets have more obscure puke coloured Heinkels I say !!! :D :eek:
Neil.

[eismeer]

bob the yank.

A VC10 in RAE colour scheme. Now that would surely be a worthy model :cool:

[Agent X20]

Just a VC10.. any ****** colour...!!!

[BSteinIPMS]

bob the yank.

A VC10 in RAE colour scheme. Now that would surely be a worthy model :cool:

Nice color photo in the VC10 book discussed elsewhere, eismeer. I'd buy one.... ;)

[eismeer]

Nice color photo and profile in the VC10 book discussed elsewhere, eismeer. I'd buy one.... ;)

Yes i read the thread about that. I think i will have to keep my eyes peeled for one going at a good price ;)

[eismeer]

Just a VC10.. any ****** colour...!!!

Agent.

I reckon that is the delay in the 1/250 VC10. Maybe they decided to go 1/144 straight off :D .

Yeah, wishfull thinking i know :mad: .

[Agent X20]

Not according to Alberts prose.. no new subjects.. only new paint jobs of those subjects already produced.. which I think is a crying shame (they have to be more profitable than military 72's, the moulds must be so much simpler for the liners..! :D ..

[eismeer]

Just read Alberts post. What a pity as i still reckon it would do well.

Also just been given the CAM collectors magazine (Nov 04) by a friend to have a look through. Never read it before. One plane that really stands out. Lockheed Electra. What a nice looking bird :cool: .

[goonybird]

Not according to Alberts prose.. no new subjects.. only new paint jobs of those subjects already produced.. which I think is a crying shame (they have to be more profitable than military 72's, the moulds must be so much simpler for the liners..! :D ..

What about revised connie?

[Agent X20]

Thats just stretching the point..!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

I mention Electra and immediately everone starts talking Orions.. :mad:

Nah.. they dont care.. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Wait til the mams turn turtle..

[goonybird]

Well Electra / Orion same pedigree. Shouldn't be impossible, Two fuselage lenths on Viscounts, and Britannias. So why not Electra and Orion??

[Agent X20]

Thats what I thought.. mention L188.. they mentioned Orion.. but I thought that was a P3.. :D

[raff]

Dear highly-esteemed albeit militaristic raff, :D

1. No fewer than 3 BOAC liveries for standard VC10.
4. BOAC Super VC10
5. Middle East Airlines (MEA)
6. British Airways (old)
7. British Airways (new=Union Jack tail)
8. Gulf Air (old & new)
10. United Arab Emirates
11. British United Airways
12. Sierra Leone
13. Caledonian/BUA
14. British Caledonian
15. Sultan of Oman
16. Ghana Airways (old & new)
18. Nigeria Airways (in BOAC livery)
19. Nigeria Airways (new)
20. East African Airways
21. Air Malawi
22. RAF Air Transport Command (white/grey)
23. RAF - Royal Aircraft Establishment
24. RAF (glossy grey)
25. RAF - Rolls-Royce RB211 Flying Test Bed
26. RAF tanker (hemp/grey)
27. RAF tanker (green/grey/light grey)
28. Eddie Stobart :eek:


Sorry Bob,
Catching up! I missed this.

Cor! As ever, that's impressive .... but do you think you could be more precise? ;)
I would however draw me lud's attention to the fact that there are no US carriers. Thus putting a severe crimp in the defence's arguement that it would have appeal to collectors in our former colonies the other side of the Atlantic.

I rest my case.

Raff :D

[BSteinIPMS]

Sorry Bob,
Catching up! I missed this.

Cor! As ever, that's impressive .... but do you think you could be more precise? ;)
I would however draw me lud's attention to the fact that there are no US carriers. Thus putting a severe crimp in the defence's arguement that it would have appeal to collectors in our former colonies the other side of the Atlantic.

I rest my case.

Raff :D

Raff, my good fellow, your logic is precise and infallible. True, no US carriers operated the VC10. But I might point out that neither did they operate the York, Britannia, Comet, or, for that matter, the Vulcan, Victor, and other aircraft represented by Corgi which were operated only by the British.

We Yanks who know what these aircraft are have to pay very shiny coppers to acquire them.

But this is just a colonial perspective...... :D

[Agent X20]

Britannia, Comet

Came close with these two...!! :)

[goonybird]

Yeah would've thought the Comet with Mexicana was close. Along with south american like Aerolineas Argentinas. And Vulcans? well just ask the Argentinians 'bout that one!! :p
I would hope Bob might agree that people resident in the USA, despite their patriotic nature to homebuilt products, acknowledge the VC10 as one of mans most beautiful creations. :)

[BSteinIPMS]

I would hope Bob might agree that people resident in the USA, despite their patriotic nature to homebuilt products, acknowledge the VC10 as one of mans most beautiful creations. :)

We do, G/B, but perhaps not in First Place. I'd rate the female body as first, the shape of the bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale as second, and the Vickers VC10 as a very close third..... :D

[Agent X20]

I'd rate the female body as first :D

You aint seen Mrs Agent first thing in the morning... or perhaps he has..

VC10 has DEFINITELY aged better...!!

As for the Northern Brown sterile chemical stuff.. pass on that one.. :p

[Albert Ross]

We do, G/B, but perhaps not in First Place. I'd rate the female body as first, the shape of the bottle of Newcastle Brown Ale as second, and the Vickers VC10 as a very close third..... :D

BUT, the VC-10 will always stay the same shape if it's looked after, unlike the other two!

[Aces-High]

I've always fancied either of the BOAC Comets but have'nt a clue on what sorta money they'd fetch. What could one expect topay for these?

[Gambit]

I was looking at the Triactus site and noticed that the BOAC Constellation hasn't been done with the polished wings like the BOAC Comet and Britannia.
Albert, why not release one to match the others. :D

[Craig]

Must admit surely a VC-10 would be a good choice. Iconic aircraft and possible military schemes? Can't see where it can go wrong!

[Agent X20]

Neither can we old sport.. better than the ****** military stuff that they are currently coming out with... :D