Lets Talk FW190

[minter]

now as much as i like your new FW 190 Corgi, have a butchers at these and lets get the ball rolling

[ascot]

Wow...plastic or diecast?

[minter]

plastic im afraid, like i said do like the new 190, bold choice in scheme,wouldnt mind an all over sort of soft grey or green camo scheme and was perusing the net and came across these,forum bit quiet today so wacked them on :)

[DCRanger]

".. have a butchers"/Butcher Bird? Was that an intentional pun?

[planejunky]

Wow that's very smart! :cool:

I've never had a go at airbrushing, but the effects are stunning.

[minter]

Wow that's very smart! :cool:

I've never had a go at airbrushing, but the effects are stunning.

yeah, could corgi match this quality as in colour?

[Martin Bull]

I never need an excuse to talk Fw 190..... ;)

As I've said ad nauseum, Corgi have a superb casting in the Fw 190 and there remains much scope for some very nice colour schemes, plus models of Sturmgruppen aircraft to go with B17s and B24s. The possibilities are many and intriguing, and here's an idea for a planejunky diorama...

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/crow4.jpg

Or maybe not...... :o

[snafu]

CFBC's collection when his Mrs susses him out :D

[planejunky]

Sorry couldn't resist! :D

[Agent X20]

plastic im afraid, like i said do like the new 190, bold choice in scheme,wouldnt mind an all over sort of soft grey or green camo scheme and was perusing the net and came across these,forum bit quiet today so wacked them on :)

All yer own wurke..?

[Martin Bull]

...and the two guys 2nd & 3rd from right are looking at CFBC under the 190..... :eek:

[Agent X20]

From the Agent files.. the TRUTH........ :D

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/edward_thomson/images/crow4.jpg

[Martin Bull]

One thing wrong with all these captions, guys.....why are all those US soldiers talking with strong German accents...? :confused: :p

[CFBC]

CFBC's collection when his Mrs susses him out :D
Thanks Snafu.....

[minter]

All yer own wurke..?

fraid not, my models usually look like MBs picture when iv'e lost me temper with it :o

[CFBC]

Oh dear.. :o

Thats why I don't build models...... :)

[Agent X20]

One thing wrong with all these captions, guys.....why are all those US soldiers talking with strong German accents...? :confused: :p

Du bist ein spoilsport....!!!

[Aeronut]

Thinking of getting one of the Corgi Tunisia 1943 FW190s , am I the only one who quite likes this model , I think it looks quite smart ,a bit more to it than the other desert camo one .

[minter]

aeronut get a white 190 tin of pink paint and hey presto!

[Martin Bull]

I think it's a really nice model in an attractive colour-scheme, aeronut.

It's just that personally, my interest is more with the NW Europe aircraft ( Rammjagers, Sturmgruppen, Reichsverteidigung etc ) which have colour schemes more usually associated with the 190.

That's why I'll wait and see if it drops in price like other white and beige ones have done ( seen many cheap Losigkeits around ? ;) )

[CFBC]

Oh yeah.... Now your talking M/B..... Bring em on.....!!!

[planejunky]

I think I'm correct is saying that the RAF had a 190 or two at Duxford as part of the Enemy Aircraft Flight. That would be an interesting departure from the norm!

[Agent X20]

Naw.. that would just confuse the trolls, there would much mutterings as to why no swastikas...??

Leave that one to Dragon then...!! :D

[Martin Bull]

During the war the RAF had a number of 190s at the RAE Farnborough - the Focke Wulf was considered such a deadly foe that it was extensively flight tested. They certainly had a 190A-3, A-4 and A-5 plus a Mistel and A-8/U1. Tragically, only two are still with us, the Mistel ( minus its Ju88 ! ) at the IWM and the U1 at Hendon.

WARNING ! If you're prone to high blood pressure, DO NOT READ ON ! :eek:

Ta152H-1, Werk Nr 150168 was also captured intact and taken to Farnborough - where it was scrapped in 1946 ! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Agent X20]

Think we are very lucky to have the ones that we do.. German aircraft production went ballistic in 1944 (second only to the USA) there must have been thousands about.. and we know what happens when there are thousands.. yep.. the dump dins...!!

[ACES]

Think we are very lucky to have the ones that we do.. German aircraft production went ballistic in 1944 (second only to the USA) there must have been thousands about.. and we know what happens when there are thousands.. yep.. the dump dins...!!

As long as it does,nt happen to the AA models im happy :p

[minter]

only to zeros!

[Agent X20]

the other 4998 of the 5000 were all sold at rrp..... :)

Yankee land mate theres more die cast Zeros on offer than Spitfires...

[Martin Bull]

Originally posted by Agent X20 : Think we are lucky to have the ones we do......

Too right ! Think of Guy Gibson's Dams Raid Lancaster, unceremoniously scrapped in 1947 ; the BBMF's BofB Spitfire saved by a sympathetic ( ! :eek: ) scrapdealer; and if it weren't for the Americans, there would be no surviving Typhoon in the world......

That was the post-war Government's 'scorched earth' policy toward historic airframes.

So I'm still :mad: :mad: :mad: !

[minter]

ok heres another fw190D guess who by?

[Martin Bull]

Errr - Armour ? :confused:

[planejunky]

Second that, Armour? Either that or it's a trick question, and a Dragon with home mounted swazi!

[CFBC]

Not a new Corgi one is it......?

[minter]

Not a new Corgi one is it......?

ooooh very WARM

[CFBC]

Aha... It's the new one issued "under" the banner of Corgi, but named something else.... Oh dam..... Give me five mins.....

Right?

[Agent X20]

Too right ! Think of Guy Gibson's Dams Raid Lancaster, unceremoniously scrapped in 1947 ; the BBMF's BofB Spitfire saved by a sympathetic ( ! :eek: ) scrapdealer; and if it weren't for the Americans, there would be no surviving Typhoon in the world......

That was the post-war Government's 'scorched earth' policy toward historic airframes.

So I'm still :mad: :mad: :mad: !

The one to beat them all IMHO was W4050..... (phew that was from memory..!) CFBC shoulod INSTANTLY know what that relates to....!

[CFBC]

The one to beat them all IMHO was W4050..... (phew that was from memory..!) CFBC shoulod INSTANTLY know what that relates to....!You mean....

http://www.mossie.org/W4050.htm

:) Would have been quicker, but was working on Minters puzzeler....

[CFBC]

21st Century Minter?

[planejunky]

21st Century Minter?

I thought that, but discounted it due to the swastika on the fin.

[Agent X20]

Naw they are sticking swastikas on them now.. well they are on the Yankee sites.. its that 1:18 jobbie that I like a lot, but most people think are just Plastic Toys... you wait till you see the 1:18 Mossie...

am I right Mr Memory... :D

[minter]

21st Century Minter?

HOORAY!! http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/corky/corkysm60.gif
you win a clickable smilie! (i'll get told off by admin now)... the 190 looks good ,nice scheme slightly better than the dragon one IMHO .. this is 1/18 though but its got a swastika!

[CFBC]

Aha... There yer go P/J.... Never discount the swastika!! ;)

[CFBC]

Naw they are sticking swastikas on them now.. well they are on the Yankee sites.. its that 1:18 jobbie that I like a lot, but most people think are just Plastic Toys... you wait till you see the 1:18 Mossie...

am I right Mr Memory... :DIve seen a couple of these in a local traders lock-up and have had a play, but they are very nice, although as Agent says... They are a little "plastic" for my liking..... Look nice though from a distance and for the money..... Good.

[Agent X20]

Think they have given themselves a good kick up the rear.. the first one, the Stuks, to me is a little playlike.. it dont look right.. but the Spit and the 190 are really very nice... wonder if they will play with a Spit IX or XIV..!!

[snafu]

If they are plastic and anything like durable I could do with having some 'flying' off my shed. Be better garden fare than Mrs Snaffs windchimes etc :)

[Agent X20]

I think it was Bob that mentioned that they make good weather vanes...!!

[snafu]

Yes Agent - been scanning back in the threads and it was a friend of Bob's who had adapted these planes for garden usage. Sound idea!

A nice dogfighting scenario over my shed mmmmmmm!

[Agent X20]

I dream of having a shed..!!

[minter]

with a bed

[Agent X20]

power lighting and a fridge.....

[planejunky]

Aha... There yer go P/J.... Never discount the swastika!! ;)

I will now go and hang my head in shame. :o :rolleyes: :D

[Martin Bull]

If all else fails, 'it it wiv an' 'ammer.....

( pic transferred to next post ! ).....

[planejunky]

If all else fails, 'it it wiv an' 'ammer.....

http://geocities.com/tgenth/FW190_14.jpg


It wot wiv an 'ammer? Can't see niffink! :D

[minter]

just thought i would show you a pic of me getting to work :D

[Martin Bull]

And here's one to help with positioning those swastika decals : -

http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/touvdal1.jpg

[CFBC]

Okay.. Had to dust the thread down...

I noticed there had been a few comments on the colour of "Yellow 2" (AA34306), so decided to take a few shots to let you all have a peek..... :D

:)

[Martin Bull]

Thanks for dredging the thread up, CFBc - it may come in handy with all the Dragon 190s which seem to be about to descend on us :eek:

[Agent X20]

Well they cant be any worse than that one..!!

[Martin Bull]

Yup - no matter how accurate the scheme, this and Dickfeld are my least favoured 190s :(

[Grizzly Adams]

Just out of interest why's that then MB?

I know the black is a wee bit glossy for my liking, but apart from that its pretty much a spot on Model. Think it looks great alongside the FM version.

[ozlanc]

Yup - no matter how accurate the scheme, this and Dickfeld are my least favoured 190s :(

Surely you have never doubted Corgi's accuracy.Yellow 2 is a noted part of their WWII Luftwaffe Over The Desert Series together with the 1/32 scale Bf109G - Black Double Chevron. They are very convincing and accurate camo's for the desert theatre. And they're surely to become highly prized collectables, same as their well respected Eighth Army in the Pacific Three Piece Set :D ;)

[Martin Bull]

Where did I say anything about accuracy ? :rolleyes: I just don't personally like the scheme on the model ( think Immola He111, grey Spit ). In much the same way that I personally like Matchbox Maximowitz' 190......

[Agent X20]

Seems yellow 2 has divided the community then... one day we will get a grey 'Keith Ferris' one...

[minter]

if corgi get it right everyone will like that one

[Grizzly Adams]

Where did I say anything about accuracy ? :rolleyes: I just don't personally like the scheme on the model ( think Immola He111, grey Spit ). In much the same way that I personally like Matchbox Maximowitz' 190......

Just accept the fact that you're wrong MB :D :D :p

Repeat after me......... "Yellow 2 is gorgeous and Corgi should produce as many 190's as Dragon"

Grizz

[minter]

but not look all the same

[Martin Bull]

'Maximowitz' 190 is gorgeous and one day Corgi should do a Sturmbock...' :p

[minter]

want it

[Grizzly Adams]

She is a beauty i must admit Minter. We can only dream fella and maybe Uncle Albert is reading this and can give Corgi Towers a nudge in the right direction.

[Martin Bull]

Too late, mate - wait until November and you'll have it, courtesy of Dragon ( albeit in Heinz Baer's 'Red 23' marking, not 'Red 13'.... ) :rolleyes:

[CFBC]

want it

"Oh yes!!" :cool: <says he drooling over his desk and keyboard>

Thinking about it, isn't Dragon producing one like this?

[CFBC]

Opps, sorry M/B... Posted at the same time.... Here we go....

"1/72 Fw190A-7 "Red 23", Gruppenkommandeur II/JG 1, Stornede, April 1944 ~ Major Heinz Bar" - 50156 due November/December time. :cool:

[CFBC]

Then we also have -

"1/72 Fw190A-8 "Black Double Chevron", Gruppenkommandeur II/JG 1, Mecklenburg, February 1945 ~ Hauptmann Paul-Heinrich Dähne"

50094 also due around the same time.... :D

[minter]

its been a pleasure exciting you

[Martin Bull]

I'll have just about finished paying off my Carbury by then.... :(

[Grizzly Adams]

OMG just seen them on FM's site.......... Pleasure overload!! :D

[no4mkit]

Cripes Dragon, somewhere between FW190 model #21 and #50, could you give us Bf109E #3 & #4?????!!!!! :mad:

[Agent X20]

IMPO Bet its a case that the 190 is outselling the 109 by a fair factor and they have the ability to run fast with producing new stuff... (rather than a certain canine where #1 goes to bin so bring on 2,3,4 5... before they do anything about it..).. just being smarter..

(From the recent toyfair, you could buy all the 109's but only the last 3/4 190's)

[ozlanc]

Where did I say anything about accuracy ? :rolleyes: I just don't personally like the scheme on the model ( think Immola He111, grey Spit ). In much the same way that I personally like Matchbox Maximowitz' 190......


Mr Bull, please check the fifth word in your post below for your 'accuracy' comment.

"Yup - no matter how accurate the scheme, this and Dickfeld are my least favoured 190s."

It appears you have taken my tongue in cheek comment a bit to heart. I was just quoting your slight referal to accuracy to poke fun at Corgi including the Yellow 2 Fw190 (Yellow Russian Theatre fuselage band) and the Me109 (night fighter camo) as 'typical' Luftwaffe 'Desert' campaign aircraft as depicted on their website.

[Martin Bull]

Ah well, accurate or not, here's something for 190 fans to look at : -

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/sturmbock001.jpg

Don't worry, the 'he's got a new camera :rolleyes: ' phase will soon pass.... :p

[david cotton]

Hello all
I want to see the bomber destroyer 190's. However they must have a longer display stand than the normal. In fact it must be just a bit heigher than the B17 and B24 models, for a bit of 12 oclock high dispalying.

Regards
David

[minter]

Ah well, accurate or not, here's something for 190 fans to look at : -

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b380/jgfive/sturmbock001.jpg

Don't worry, the 'he's got a new camera :rolleyes: ' phase will soon pass.... :p

the missus would like that.. :rolleyes: seriously i take it this projectile fitted into a 190...30mm?

[Martin Bull]

Let's just put me anorak on..... :p

Yes, that's an ( inert ! :eek: ) 3-cm MK108 Ausfuhrung C 'Minengeschoss' HE shell as used in the outer-wing-gun position on 'Sturmbock' Fw190A-8s ( and most famously in the Me 262 ).

It was very low-velocity ( hence the short propellant case ) but had a sensitive fuze and very high explosive content - not too much use against other fighters but incredibly effective against bombers. 2 or 3 hits were needed to destroy a four-engined bomber.

[prune]

Being in the grip of a Dragon FW 190 addiction, I thought I'd put down my wish list for Western Front 190s, mostly taken from the Osprey Aces book.

1: The most bad ass 190 scheme IMHO, Black 8 JG 3, the one on the cover. :cool:

2: Anton Hackl's JG11 white tail

3: Losigeits JG 1

4: Bretschneiders Red 1

5: Gotz's JG26 190D,Yellow 10

6: A JG 1 with checkerboard cowling

7: Faber's captured A3, so we can have some old style upperwing crosses.

8: A wheels up tailwheel :rolleyes:

If dragon do these and no more I will be happy. :)

Any advance?
BTW, any one know where to get a Rudel for less than £40?

[Grizzly Adams]

I'll take one of each Mr Prune :D

It looks like we're beginning to see Dragon moving into the A-8's now and if so there are plenty of options for different armaments. Would luv to see a Sturmbock or Wilde Sau version, but i reckon i'll be disappointed in my wants :( Dragon don't really stray from the trodden path. Might see a few more Dora's aswell which would be nice.

As to Rudel, i have only one and you can't have it :D Saying that i did pay £40 for it which i think is pretty reasonable. Only 500 made? Already becoming a classic so snap it up while you can.

Grizz

[Agent X20]

but incredibly effective against bombers. 2 or 3 hits were needed to destroy a four-engined bomber... trust its inert.... :D .. sounds like that could tickle Mrs Agent's tough hide... mmm..

[minter]

sounds like that could tickle Mrs Agent's tough hide... mmm..

pardon?

[Agent X20]

Talking cannon shells Mr Mint.. not bloomin sea shells... you been hanging round that pier too long old sport..!! :D

[minter]

i do not hang aound piers .....or jump on top of boys...........sorry bouys :rolleyes:

[Agent X20]

thats just too much information.....!! :D :D

[minter]

i see the americans are getting a fw190 hannig JG/2 ,albeit a legend....any thoughts? dont look too bad

[prune]

Got me Bar 190 today, and it could be my favourite Dragon 190 so far.The engine had come off but it snapped back on OK.Suprised to find it was plastic though.Also, I'm fairly certain its a couple of cannon short as are some of the others in the series.Most FW 190 As had 4 in the wings, excepting the fighter bombers. Sturmgruppe 190s certainly did.
So,we now have a model with oversized prop blades, no swastikas, no wheel up tailwheel,a drop tank pylon that dont fit and short on firepower.
If it were a Corgi it would be ripped to shreds, but I still love it.
WHY?

[Martin Bull]

Should have 4 x MG151/20s in the wings.

We all love it because :

a) It's a great variant of the 190
b) Baer was a great pilot
c) It's a great colour scheme
and d) despite it all, it just looks right..... :o

[Grizzly Adams]

Have to agree, though it has its faults its still a great looking bird and glad to have got one the other week. Nice decal on the rudder marking the 200 kills and the Reich Defense band goes nicely with the Wubke Dora. One reason i can hack the minor faults is that it was only approx £18 which is more than a reasonable price for a lovely diecast.

[prune]

Should have 4 x MG151/20s in the wings.

We all love it because :

a) It's a great variant of the 190
b) Baer was a great pilot
c) It's a great colour scheme
and d) despite it all, it just looks right..... :o


That last bit hits the nail on the head Martin. After years of looking at aircraft you carry the 'Just Right' image in your head, same as looking at Aviation art.You just know when something looks right, even if small details arent quite right,if that makes sense. :confused: Roll on the Maximowitz.

[prune]

This may be old news to some,but I've just spotted a new Dragon 190 (for a change :rolleyes: ) on the Flying mule site.Good news for me is its the Losigkeit, same as the Corgi, which I havent got.Theres also a couple of Me 109Es and a G announced for March.

[P51D]

This may be old news to some,but I've just spotted a new Dragon 190 (for a change :rolleyes: ) on the Flying mule site.Good news for me is its the Losigkeit, same as the Corgi, which I havent got..

Yes I was looking forward to that one but the release date was put back by a few months. All the less anticipated ones got released on time and I have them.....typical!

[Martin Bull]

Been niggling me for a while - I knew I'd missed one of Dragon's 190A's, but couldn't think which one..... :(

Took advantage of a very wet and miserable morning to venture into the loft ( :eek: :eek: :eek: ) for a roll-call. Horst Hannig didn't answer, so immediately BIN'ed one from a well-known e-bayer :cool: ;)

[P51D]

Been niggling me for a while - I knew I'd missed one of Dragon's 190A's, but couldn't think which one..... :(

Took advantage of a very wet and miserable morning to venture into the loft ( :eek: :eek: :eek: ) for a roll-call. Horst Hannig didn't answer, so immediately BIN'ed one from a well-known e-bayer :cool: ;)

Good move MB! Was quite surprised when I did my own roll-call at how many there are.

[Grizzly Adams]

A nice version of the A-4 there MB, love the Eagles Head exhaust cover.

[Rusty]

Had a backlog of Dragons which I was absolutely dreading putting together. The good news is that the most recent Dragon releases are MUCH MUCH easier to put together and user-friendly. The packaging is slightly less over the top for instance (less of those tape strips) and the holes for the various wing things are now just the right size. Even the FW wheels (the bane of my early assemblimng experience) now slot in perfectly! Anyone that was holding back because of early horrible experiences with bits inging everywhere - rest assured that Dragon has this under control now!

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/4189/fwreunion8ys.th.jpg (http://img455.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fwreunion8ys.jpg)

[Martin Bull]

Great line-up, Rusty...well done ! :cool: 'Red 13' still my favourite until Dragon do a Maximowitz..... ;)

[P51D]

Thanks for that Rusty great pic, nice to see them all side by side!

Is that the IXO 190D you have lined up with the Dragons, it sits nicely with the others. (was thinking of getting rid of mine but have now decided I do NEED it :D )

[Rusty]

Thanks for that Rusty great pic, nice to see them all side by side!

Is that the IXO 190D you have lined up with the Dragons, it sits nicely with the others. (was thinking of getting rid of mine but have now decided I do NEED it :D )

Huh! Indeed it is! But you know what, I didn't even notice! I took the five I already had on display out to put with the new ones and to be honest it fit right in. (There's also a sneaky Corgi top left)

Was initially not so impressed by the DeAg/Altaya FW (forgot it was a Dora), and just shoved it in the cabinet, but today, at no time did I assume it was anything other than a Dragon because it matched them so well!

[minter]

(

Took advantage of a very wet and miserable morning to venture into the loft ( :eek: :eek: :eek: )

your loft that bad too eh :o

[The Defiant Man]

Huh! Indeed it is! But you know what, I didn't even notice! I took the five I already had on display out to put with the new ones and to be honest it fit right in. (There's also a sneaky Corgi top left)

Was initially not so impressed by the DeAg/Altaya FW (forgot it was a Dora), and just shoved it in the cabinet, but today, at no time did I assume it was anything other than a Dragon because it matched them so well!
The Dora is probably IXO/Altaya's best so far. Mine is also on display and you are right, it doesn't look out of place. :)

[Martin Bull]

I notice that an e-bayer in Germany is advertising the Dahne FW190A-8 by Dragon so it must be here or hereabouts ?

( And it looks the bizzo in the pic ! )

[CFBC]

I notice that an e-bayer in Germany is advertising the Dahne FW190A-8 by Dragon so it must be here or hereabouts ?

( And it looks the bizzo in the pic ! )

M/B... You mean 50094 - "Black Double Chevron - JG1" don't you? Hmm. Had that one a while now... :confused: :rolleyes:

[Martin Bull]

Cor Blimey - that's another Dragon 190 I've missed ! :( They're breeding like rabbits...... :o

[CFBC]

Tell a little white lie... I think early December from the States.. Not had chance to take the bleeder out of teh box, but certainly looks nice! :)

[Martin Bull]

Hah ! :mad: CFBC's been holding out on us ! ;)

Come on, come on.....the first diecast A-8 since Matchbox' Maximowitz is a significant event ! :D

[CFBC]

Oh heck... :rolleyes: I have to hide them quickly from Mrs CFBC and then I go and forget.... :o :o

Had to slide under the spare room bed to find this one! :D

[Martin Bull]

Dragon's first 190A-8 and he puts it under the bed..... :eek: :confused: :(

Dear oh dear...poor old CFBC's losing the plot..... ;)

[CFBC]

Ok, ok.. I am! You want some pictures M/B? :cool:

Sorry!!!!!!!!!! It arrived with 50095 and about ten armor tanks, ok..... :o :rolleyes:

[Martin Bull]

YES ! Pix - NOW !!!

Just wait 'til Grizz and Rusty find out about this - there'll be trouble..... ;) :p

[CFBC]

Shhh, they never have to know M/B.... I think I can delete all these post's so they will not know and I can take back what I said.... :D (joke)

Ok then... Let me finish the 262 pics in between working and get some 190 pics sorted for you, Grizz and Rusty.... :o

Be nice to me.. I am under a lot of pressure from Mrs CFBC :(

[Martin Bull]

Sorry CFBC - didn't realise that this was your work-day this month....

( :p :p :p ! )

[CFBC]

Here we go chaps... 50094 Dragon Warbird, first FW190A-8 by Dragon...

No real problems with this one I see... A nice little number with all parts fitting as normal for the Dragon produced FW (unlike the 50095 I have - :( )

Here are a few shots....

:)

[CFBC]

Hot on the heels before Xmas came the 50095 also. Major Josef Priller, FW190A-5 "Black 13"...

A few problems wit hthis one....

1) Gun ports now too big.
2) underside components did not want to go into hole, hole too small
3) U/c was not as good for some reason.

I am not sure, but I may have a rogue one here with the above problems, but here are a few pictures anyway.... :)

[prune]

You rotten bugger CFCB, the Dahne is one of only 2 Dragon FWs I havent got, and I was trying to resist that one. Now I've seen the pics I'll be getting it :rolleyes:

[Agent X20]

Ground straffer was he..???? :D

[Martin Bull]

Thanks for the pix, CFBC ! ;)

Dahne instantly becomes a must-have. I await further A-8 developments with interest (the A-8 being the 'Spit MkIX' of the 190 family. :cool: )

[Grizzly Adams]

Are we slipping Mr Bull? Had Dahne for a couple of weeks no, turned up with the FM P40 special. She's a lovely version of the A-8 got all the right bumps in the right places, but she's no Red 13 m8. Well worth having since you're a 190 nut like myself, but no rush.

As to CFBC, well the Butcherbird Mafia have heard of his disrespect to the family by snubbing Dahne in the way he did, be rest assured we're watching very closely.

Grizz

[Lofty]

The ol' spare bed must be damned uncomfortable with all those planes pushing it towards the ceiling, CFBC..... :D

[Rusty]

CFBC http://webpages.charter.net/connectingzone/disagree/42.gif









... redeemed by the pics ... :)

[CFBC]

:rolleyes: <phew>

[Martin Bull]

Are we slipping Mr Bull? Had Dahne for a couple of weeks no, turned up with the FM P40 special. She's a lovely version of the A-8

Grizz

So - you've all been holding out on me ! :mad: Some friends I've got on this forum.... :rolleyes:

[Martin Bull]

Well, we've all slagged off Corgi, IXO and Witty for detail cock-ups and now Dragon have, I'm pretty sure, made a very visible blooper with Dahne. :rolleyes:

One of the main identification points for the A-8 is that the pitot-tube was moved to the very end of the starboard wing.

Dragon haven't done it...but Matchbox - of all people - have got it just right...... :confused:

[DCRanger]

I posted a couple of pics on another thread and I'm at risk of being boring (again) but I'm really taken with this 190 so here's a couple more.

http://i1.tinypic.com/noan9j.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/noaot1.jpg

http://i1.tinypic.com/noap6p.jpg

[Martin Bull]

Right - who's going to get the Dragon one down from the loft for a comparison ? ;)

[minter]

thats very nice, is it the US release? cant remember :rolleyes:

[Martin Bull]

It's US Leg End US 34309, and the colour scheme looks totally different from the pic on CHC's website.

I'm really confused..... :confused: :(

[DCRanger]

See what you mean MB. I hadn't checked any previous pics. My pics are a reasonably accurate rendition although because of the lighting they don't show the shade changes from top to bottom of the fuselage as well as they might. The model is however a completly different colour to that shown in the CHC pics and definitely no mottling.

The previous Legend 190 looks nearer to the CHC pics as can been seen in this pic.

http://i1.tinypic.com/noyp2a.jpg

[Craig]

That really is nice, but why do they insist on keep giving us the excellent schemes on the Legends and utter crap for the "Premium" releases! Isn't this a bit of a contradiction in terms? The only really good "Premium" release 190 has been Black Double Chevron, and I don't need to tell you what kind of money they fetch! It's about time we got another decent 190 in the standard range instead of the constant desert/Eastern front schemes. A nice Defence of the Reich one would be a good start!

[prune]

[QUOTE=Craig]That really is nice, but why do they insist on keep giving us the excellent schemes on the Legends and utter crap for the "Premium" releases! Isn't this a bit of a contradiction in terms? QUOTE]
You can only shake your head and wonder at some of the hounds marketing decisions :confused:

[DCRanger]

Maybe we will see a limited 500 edition of this one in a box before too long. It seems to be a growing trend.

[david cotton]

That really is nice, but why do they insist on keep giving us the excellent schemes on the Legends and utter crap for the "Premium" releases! Isn't this a bit of a contradiction in terms? The only really good "Premium" release 190 has been Black Double Chevron, and I don't need to tell you what kind of money they fetch! It's about time we got another decent 190 in the standard range instead of the constant desert/Eastern front schemes. A nice Defence of the Reich one would be a good start!

Defence of the Reich A8 would be real good. Saying that, I see a FM 190 is up on the bay. Think Im gona go for it...... putting large sum of dosh to one side ;)

[kevjb64]

My Dragon Dahne A8 arrived this morning from the F / M , £14 delivered in their dump section . Nice enough and I did not have an A8 but also agree Dragon reaching overkill on this one , especially schemes being very similar. :)

[Martin Bull]

Is the pitot tube at the end of the wing or in the middle ?

[kevjb64]

Is the pitot tube at the end of the wing or in the middle ?

Middle .:)

[Martin Bull]

Aaaaaaarrrrggghhhhhh!!!!!:rolleyes:

[uksubs]

Best looking FW190 got to be the matchbox fw 190a-8/r8 black 8 flew by willi maximowitz:unsure:

[david cotton]

On Saturday I was up model zone and was able to compare a Corgi FW190 with another 190 make. I'm not sure what make it was, but it had a sliding canopy.

IMO It is the canopy of the Corgi FW190 that lets it down. There is no clear line that cuts the canopy section away from the fuselage. This to me is a real important feature of the FW190 and a model should make the sliding canopy obvious. The Corgi model gives the aircraft a razor back feel to it.

I think the model would benefit from having the whole canopy section as a seperate piece:)

[minter]

what do you reckon with the corgi 190 then....sliding canopy and NO pilot, think i'd prefer that

[david cotton]

what do you reckon with the corgi 190 then....sliding canopy and NO pilot, think i'd prefer that

Horror of Horrors.:eek: :eek: :eek: are you stark raving bonkers :wacko: .....sorry, daft question to ask a die cast collector.........my mistake:D

The Pilot is a must for me....no pilot no buy :( As long as the model gives the impression that the canopy slides, I'm OK. At the moment, it does not have the right look.:eek:

[minter]

i do prefer pilots but most of the corgi ones are poor

[david cotton]

i do prefer pilots but most of the corgi ones are poor

Very true. However, I would rather have a poor pilot that no pilot, but if the pilot was really bad, I might not buy the model. As I have said before, the pilot is in the aircraft, so he is part of the model. For this reason, the pilot should look right.

This is even more important on 1/32 . The 1:32 scale pilots have gone down hill since the Spitfire. The Hurricane pilot looks like a half deflated blow up doll :eek:

[minter]

i would perfer it if the pilots had an oxygen mask on,couldnt be too hard can it, would hide the face a bit, and might even make the pilot look like who hes supposed to, (in 1/32 especially)

[david cotton]

i would perfer it if the pilots had an oxygen mask on,couldnt be too hard can it, would hide the face a bit, and might even make the pilot look like who hes supposed to, (in 1/32 especially)

For we that would be real good, just like the old Airfix B17 crews did. :) However, that might put a few people off. The crew would not normally have their masks on if the pane was landing or landed.:unsure:

[P51D]

i would perfer it if the pilots had an oxygen mask on,couldnt be too hard can it, would hide the face a bit, and might even make the pilot look like who hes supposed to, (in 1/32 especially)

From what I remeber about my one FOV purchase (NF hurri) the pilots are pretty good complete with oxygen mask. Shame they are almost out of sight and NEED to be moved :rolleyes: but they can't get it all right I suppose :)

Should include one of these (2p to manufacture?) with Dragon Warbirds as an optional accessory. That way they would not lose sales of their excellent FW190's to people such as DC who want a pilot.

[CFBC]

Just added two of Dragons FW190's and have to say that they are still excellent, well detailed although the fit could be a little better for the cannons.

DW50256 (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=6294) and DW50156 (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=6292) are really good in my opinion...

what does everyone else think?

:)

[minter]

they look very good indeed, :cool

[Martin Bull]

The Heinz Baer 'Red 23' A-7 is a really superb model ; but the other one, as usual with Dragon, is an A-7 and not an A-8. The pitot tube is in the wrong place , and this aircraft ( which was flown by Willi Unger ) is more usually associated with a single under-fuselage rocket-launcher. As we have come to expect from Dragon ( :rolleyes: ) no outer 3-cm cannon are featured, but they have at least got the faired-over cowling MG position correct on this model....

Also, but I can't really blame Dragon for this, there is now a real query as to whether any Sturm 190s had yellow-striped spinners ; there's a theory that they should be red stripes - as so often happens, someone decoded a b/w photo as being yellow some years ago and every kit-maker has followed suit.

But I just can't bring myself to buy any of Dragon's 'A-8s' ; Dragon have been very lazy IMHO and the models just aren't as accurate as the old Matchbox ones....:(

[johnnyboy]

The best 2 from Dragon for me are the 190A
9529
and the 190D
9528

[Martin Bull]

I agree, j/b - even with all the 'ping' bits, Dragon's 190Ds are ( were ? :unsure: ) really :cool: .....

[no4mkit]

Despite some of the negative's that come with Dragon's in general, they get top marks in my book for their overall casting accuracy (error's in Mk aside), at least in the types that I've bought. One of their best is the FW190's, particularly the Dora which I'm very fond of. :cool

[ZS-VAN]

I only have a D9 but from the photos they do look really good. It's amazing how the swastikas complete the planes when comparing Johnnyboys pics to CFBCs.

[johnnyboy]

This has been listed on a retailers site. As Dragon seem to be only releasing the same old schemes it would seem Witty could have a field day with lots of cool schemes that this plane carried and that have not as yet been done :cool:

[Edward Papazian]

I would agree with you as the Dora happens to be one of my favorites, however, based on the shoddy way that Witty's Chinese suppliers have turned out this company's FW-190As I'd rather Hobby Master or Gemini have a go at it.

[fozzy45]

I have four Dragon 190A's and have put up with their daft faults - wrong versions, pingy bits that shoot all over the place, detail parts that don't fit and cheap horrible stands or even uglier - and cheaper - plastic 'cat dish' stands. All put up with because I genuinely felt they captured the 190A to a treat. Almost by accident I stumbled upon the mutts 190A - the double chevron Losigkelt one - and loved it. It 'feels' solid, build quality is very good and its profile is excellent. Yes its an A3 and not an A4 but when checked out against plans its nose profile in particular is much more accurate than Dragons. I still like my Dragons but I'll be picking up the Mutts Priller 190 and one or two others and unless Dragon can improve their act (a proper A8 instead of an A7 or A3 masquerading as an A8 would be a welcome start) then I'm not likely to be picking up any more Dragons.

[Lofty]

Don't like the Hounds canopy......:(

[Punks]

I am waiting for the HM 1/48 Fw-190. To go with their masterpiece Spitfire. Lovely stuff.

And this from a 1/72 freak:wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

[lmisbtn]

I am waiting for the HM 1/48 Fw-190. To go with their masterpiece Spitfire. Lovely stuff.

And this from a 1/72 freak:wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

The Carousel 1/48 Dora is well worth a look... I have the Barkhorn one and it's not bad at all...

Would like HM to do an Fw-190A, preferably JG-2.

[MiGAlley]

Not bad at all? I think the C1 Dora is one of the best diecasts there is in 1/48, and I very much recommend it to anyone!

Re the Dragons, it's funny you bring this up right now! I got the new Red 11 yesterday, with the snake on the side. Again, it's a real looker, with very nice extra armour and a cool dark finish, even though it's of course not accurate for a Sturmbock. But then the pingy bits... my other Dragon Fw190s are still in their boxes, and this is the first I tried to assemble, and the undercarriage is horrible! Nothing fits and it's going to take lots of glue to get anywhere near the profile that I'd like. I still love my Dragon Fws, but they're not for the faint of heart!

Still, I love the "look" of Dragon's versions, and their excellent detail and paintwork. I don't like the inaccuracies, but the paint finish on these often is so good I don't really mind that much. The Cyber Hobby Graf is an excellent case in point, as is the winter version of Hannes Trautloft - the paint on these looks far more realistic than most of Corgi's Fw efforts in my book.

[CFBC]

Just posted in the Manufacturers Section:

AA34312 - FW190 A5 - Major Josef Priller GK, JG26, Lille - France 1943.

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/Corgi/AA34312%20-%20FW190%20A5%20Josef%20Priller/AA34312-16.jpg

More photographs can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=10161)

[lmisbtn]

Not bad at all? I think the C1 Dora is one of the best diecasts there is in 1/48, and I very much recommend it to anyone!



You're right - it is excellent - just the Dora is not my favourite 190 :)

I think the whole C1 range is excellent and well worth the comparatively modest asking price. I love the magnets to hold the gear in place... having just received the Corgi prototype Mossie, Wildenrath Tonka & Sea Hurricane - all with undercarriage issues I cannot praise C1 enough for their excellent efforts in this area.

I'll stop hijacking this 72 thread with 48 models now :D

[gary1701]

Guys,

Just to help out somebody quite new to the diecast game, can you just clarify a few things on FW-190's that I've picked up on.

Am I correct in thinking there is no 1/72 scale A-8 variant that is correct? I've heard that Dragon missed the raised forward fuselage for the 13mm's on this variant, but they still got it correct on their A-7 (odd!), as I have a A-7 here and it also has the correct position for the pitot tube, but I gather it also is not moved for the A-8 variant?

A correct A-8 is something I'd really like to see, although I can make do with the A-7 of which I believe less than a hundred were built?

[Grizzly Adams]

Dear god i can't wait for Priller to turn up now! She looks a mighty fine Butcherbird :D

[Shamrock]

A worthy addition. Quite like their previous excellent Legend though. Need more Butcher Birds for my Gemini MkIX's to re-cycle :D

[DCRanger]

Just seen CFBC's excellent photo's and it looks like a very nice model. The mottling could perhaps be a bit mote subtle but overall a thumbs up from me.:)

[p-51d]

The new release looks decidedly average to me , and to think they cancelled the checkerboard one for this.:rolleyes:

[prune]

Grey fuselage cross??
I'll stick with my swaziless but far superior Dragon Priller.

[minter]

Grey fuselage cross??


oh dear it doesnt look right, just as i was getting excited :rolleyes:

[Edward Papazian]

Actual pictures of this plane appear in "FW 190 Aces Of The western Front" by John Weal ( Osprey) on page 41. It's pretty clear that the fuselage cross has a gray background not black. Also, the rudder, which is a darker color than the rest of the tail could easily be interpreted as yellow---a common ID marking for FW-190s----rather than the dark gray shown on the model. Finally, the mottling---as is so often the case----isn't even close to the picture, which shows a much denser and more feathered application. Below is a kit-maker's model, which, except for overly light mottling ( compared to the pictures in the Osprey book) seems to be a far better depiction.

[Agent X20]

Again this whole thing should be about discussion with the collectorate to get the model right in the first place so as what is produced is acceptable to the majority....

........cos at the end of the day that's a sharp little number there (apart from the non existant canopy line, but bits dont ping offa it..).. this should be staple stuff to the pooch to build a profitable line... 109's.. 190's, Spits, Hurris, P51's and P47's..

[Grizzly Adams]

For 26 notes i'm happy........ if we're talking about a Diverse Images job then fair play it needs to be ultra spot on, but i'm glad i'm adding this one to my collection :o)

[Agent X20]

Yes but if they were 'correct' and £20.... you would be happy to buy one every quarter..? This comes back to the staple stuff diet.. be it 190's or yellow Seakings..

[Tri-motor]

The new release looks decidedly average to me , and to think they cancelled the checkerboard one for this.:rolleyes:I'm still upset about that move.

[fozzy45]

First time I 'v seen this shot and on balance think it looks rather good. Firstly big relief that the correct style tail is actually used. May seem a minor point but one that both Corgi and Dragon seem to regularly get wrong. The grey on the rudder and fuselage cross is correct according to Osprey and the front fuselage profile to me is the most accurate of any diecast 190 currently being produced. On balance I like it. I agree that the fuselage mottling could be more subdued and less 'solid' but I am looking forward to having a Priller 190 on display that dos'nt require copious quantities of white glue to hold it together!

[parsig9]

Grey fuselage cross??
I'll stick with my swaziless but far superior Dragon Priller.

My thoughts too. I added a Swazi to the Dragon and it is a big improvement.

[eismeer]

........cos at the end of the day that's a sharp little number there

You're spot on there mate, looks real neat and a defo addition to the 190 fleet:cool:

[Angels one-five]

Thanks for the pics CFBC. I like the look of this one regardless of the gray/ black cross debate. Nice to have another Corgi 190 to add to the Staffel.

[Martin Bull]

Guys,

Just to help out somebody quite new to the diecast game, can you just clarify a few things on FW-190's that I've picked up on.

Am I correct in thinking there is no 1/72 scale A-8 variant that is correct? I've heard that Dragon missed the raised forward fuselage for the 13mm's on this variant, but they still got it correct on their A-7 (odd!), as I have a A-7 here and it also has the correct position for the pitot tube, but I gather it also is not moved for the A-8 variant?

A correct A-8 is something I'd really like to see, although I can make do with the A-7 of which I believe less than a hundred were built?

We've actually discussed this a few times before but a recap may help other newer members....

The A-8 ( popularly known as Sturmbock ) has only been modelled reasonably satisfactorily in 1/72 diecast by Matchbox. Dragon have 'pretended' to do an A-8 but as you've guessed, it's really an A-7 ( which has the pitot tube in the wrong place, and no outer-wing upper bulges for the MK108 cannon ). The Witty versions are also wrong.

As the Matchbox ones are now very hard to find, there is a big gap in the market for an enterprising manufacturer........:unsure:

[ZS-VAN]

Slightly off topic but still with Fw190s, what would be a reasonable price for the Collectors Club RAF Fw190? :unsure:

[CFBC]

Slightly off topic but still with Fw190s, what would be a reasonable price for the Collectors Club RAF Fw190? :unsure:

Anywhere between the £40-£60 mark ZS, give or take. :)

[ZS-VAN]

Anywhere between the £40-£60 mark ZS, give or take. :)

Thanks CFBC, I don't have any captured eagles but I have a liking for this one, so maybe...

[MiGAlley]

Funny to have Corgi's take at Priller turn up just now, just when I'd taken Dragon's take on the same plane out of the box following my earlier troubles with the new Red 11 "R8". In contrast to the new Snake version, the Priller went together with no trouble at all, and it's looking great. I do like this new Corgi effort - not the most inspiring of schemes, but a good-looking Butcher Bird - but Dragon's version bests it in my book, particularly when it comes to the paintwork. As always, Dragon's Focke-Wulfs have excellent, faded blotching that make that on Corgi's version look a bit clumsy in comparison, and there's great cockpit detail as well. I also seem to recall that this is one of the few Dragon FWs that in fact is accurate, but that's better left to the experts.

All in all, I do like Corgi's version, and hope it appeals to many with its nice scheme and ease of assembly. I won't, however, be getting rid of my Dragon version just yet. And as always it's odd to see Dragon and Corgi replicating each others' schemes while there are hosts of other versions to be done. In this light cancelling the Eagles of the Reich version seems like a very strange move indeed.

[kevjb64]

Coincidentally this arrived this morning : -

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/8.jpg http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/FW1908A.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/DIFW.jpg http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/DIFW1908.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/FW190DI8.jpg

The flash has made some of the colours look very light but as always they are actually spot on . Cert No.3 of 25 .

[CFBC]

The flash has made some of the colours look ery light but as always they are actually spot on .

:rolleyes: :D

Looks good Kev despite the flash photography! ;) :D (best I hide my car keys now)

[kevjb64]

:rolleyes: :D

Looks good Kev despite the flash photography! ;) :D (best I hide my car keys now)

I mean the colours from D.I. not my usual photography . :D ;)

[CFBC]

I mean the colours from D.I. not my usual photography . :D ;)

I know mate, sorry I could not resist.. It's normally the other way around and you lot having a pop at my photography... :D

[ZS-VAN]

Very nice model Kev! :cool

[Scottuk]

Anywhere between the £40-£60 mark ZS, give or take. :)

Or £26.79 if your mate from the forum is accidentally bidding against you:LOL:

[fozzy45]

Just got my Dragon Priller out to check it against the mutts new version and against references. Firstly, realised yet again why I put this one away - drop tank carrier just dos'nt fit (mine needs super glue to stay on) and undercart refused to stay on so no change there and just how I remember. In terms of accuracy I agree that the rendition of mottling is good. That said I think it is too faintly done for the A5 Priller one based at Lille as the photo's (p 41 Osprey) show quite a solid and distinct pattern. The Dragon one has the black cross which should be grey as the mutt shows and the rudder, although grey on the Dragon, is too light and as such the mutts version is more accurate here. In terms of detailing the Dragon version is very good although the outline accuracy shape of the engine cowling is poor. The front of the Dragon is too rounded and dos'nt have the distinctive 'lip' that the mutts version manages to reproduce very well. The canopy on the Dragon is a big plus and the interior nicely done. That said I don't think the mutts version is that bad either and although the canopy runner groves could be more distinct the German passion for engineering precision meant that when closed this was always a tight fit and fairly indistinct. So all in all for me the new Corgi version is well worth having. I still like my Dragon Priller 190 but the frustrations with this brand mean that I'll display my mutt 190 when it arrives and keep the overly fiddly Dragon in its box.

[kevjb64]

Interesting post fozzy45 and the one from EP , I like many had presumed the Grey crossses were incorrect but looking at the references it is actually as you say the Dragon version that is wrong . Cannot remember it being mentioned when the Dragon was released though . :)

[zed550]

not reallly impressed by the diverse stuff,bases look cheap and dont like the black painted canopies.
would expect alot more for the money being asked.

[The Defiant Man]

not reallly impressed by the diverse stuff,bases look cheap and dont like the black painted canopies.
would expect alot more for the money being asked.

These are not mass-produced diecast.....they are literally works of art.....well researched, accurate and highly limited.....heck, everything people have been asking for.....

However, I agree about the canopies....have mentioned it before....which is why I don't have any......

....but unlike most mass-produced diecast, these really are collectables.....

[CFBC]

These are not mass-produced diecast.....they are literally works of art.....well researched, accurate and highly limited.....heck, everything people have been asking for.....

However, I agree about the canopies....have mentioned it before....which is why I don't have any......

....but unlike most mass-produced diecast, these really are collectables.....

Yes, totally agree with your TDM... I am also one who do not like the canopies, however I love what DI do and the research and artwork/masterpiece that they create... Very unique indeed and very collectable.

Here are the two "Priller" releases, one from Dragon and the otehr from Corgi which they have just released......

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/50095-1.jpg

More photographs can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=7886)

and the Corgi version....

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j273/dljames/dljames2/AA34312-1.jpg

More photograhs can be seen here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=10161)

[Red 2]

These are not mass-produced diecast.....they are literally works of art.....well researched, accurate and highly limited.....heck, everything people have been asking for.....

However, I agree about the canopies....have mentioned it before....which is why I don't have any......

....but unlike most mass-produced diecast, these really are collectables.....

Yes, I would agree that the canopies are the area that can turn some people away from DI but would also agree with TDM's sentiments that if you are a warbirds fan,you cannot help but be impressed by the research and absolute authenticity of each scheme and on a modelling level, the sheer skill that goes into creating each individual handcrafted model. A totally different product amd market from Corgi, Dragon and the rest and I am lucky enough to have 4 DI that I have collected over the years. Each to their own as they say.:)

Back to thread, I wish the Corgi 190 didn't have the foothold permanently down.

[zed550]

i know they are not mass produced,but sorry not for me.:)

[Martin Bull]

Coincidentally this arrived this morning : -

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/8.jpg http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/FW1908A.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/DIFW.jpg http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/DIFW1908.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/FW190DI8.jpg

The flash has made some of the colours look very light but as always they are actually spot on . Cert No.3 of 25 .

Good to see that Corgi aren't the only ones to use...erm...ahhh...how shall I put it without upsetting anyone....:unsure:

er...controversial colour choices ! ;)

[CFBC]

er...controversial colour choices ! ;)

:rolleyes: Her we go.... Now you have upset em...! (I thought it was Kev's ""flash"" photography! ;) :D

DI are very good at research MB so you better have a flak jacket and tin hat ready! :LOL:

[Martin Bull]

Ahhhh....noooo.....:o ....they are indeed quite right....I thought for a moment they'r got the prop-boss wrong, but DI ( I should've known ! :rolleyes: ) have used the latest research.....

For many years everyone thought it was yellow-and-red striped ( as per the Matchbox one ) - this was due to mis-identification of the colours in the black&white pics of the aircraft. It's now known that the Sturm aircraft didn't use red on their spinners.....

Now -let's hope Tim & Sera can auto-destruct those missiles before they impact on North London.....:eek: :unsure:

[Lofty]

Corgi and Dragon lead the way eh?
Resurrect Matchbox.......:rolleyes:

[hworth18]

Prefer my version in 1/32..:D

http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/21335/2871746830036857008S600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/41682/2544730910036857008S600x600Q85.jpg
http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/43774/2695368430036857008S600x600Q85.jpg

[ZS-VAN]

Corgi and Dragon lead the way eh?
Resurrect Matchbox.......:rolleyes:

Very neat Lofty. I missed out on Matchbox and now really regret. Those two look good. You fix the swastikas? :unsure:

[ZS-VAN]

That is VERY nice Harry!!! :cool

[Lofty]

Very neat Lofty. I missed out on Matchbox and now really regret. Those two look good. You fix the swastikas? :unsure:
Yep.....they look naked without!
Have done all my Dragons.......even the cyber-hobby ones.....:eek:
Nice model Harry....bit big for my place, but still lovely...

[Garethster]

No question all the DI's are a work of art and very well done. I can overlook discrepancies in colour but it's a shame about the canopies as these put me off purchasing too. DI are you listening? :)

[CFBC]

Corgi and Dragon lead the way eh?
Resurrect Matchbox.......:rolleyes:

Have to say that even after 3-4 years, maybe more after issue, those MB FW's look good Lofty. ;) :)

[triumph]

OK correct me if I’m wrong, I’m no expert in these things but if I was the pilot, I’m not sure I would have taken her up sounding like that (puff of smoke seen in flight and definitely lumpy sounding when taxing at the end):eek: no wonder they clapped at the end:LOL:
http://www.flightlevel350.com/aviation_video.php?id=1050

[Agent X20]

Smoke.. naw.... only a bit of oil... radial engines always sound a bit ropey on tick over... ..... that just needed a good blast get all the sh*t outta the system....:D .. he looked happy enough...:D

[biffo]

Good to see that Corgi aren't the only ones to use...erm...ahhh...how shall I put it without upsetting anyone....:unsure:

er...controversial colour choices ! ;)Willi Maximowitz. 1v(Sturm)J.G.3's mount, my favorite colours for a FW190A/R8

[fozzy45]

My new Priller 190 by the mutt arrived today and I'm very pleased with it. Yes the fuselage mottling is a tad splotchy (must have been done by the same painter employed by Whitty!) but other than that I rate this higher than the Dragon version. Am pleased to report that it has the correct A5 tail complete with swazi. Overall build quality on mine is very good (looks as though the new Hornby regime is continuing to do well here) and as on previous 190 releases by the mutt the outline shape is very convincing. All in all I'm well pleased. :)

[Av8tor]

Tri has pics of the Corgi Priller FW190. Have noticed they have included a centre rack which can be fitted when not on stand. What happened to the bomb or drop tank :confused:

Av8tor :wacko:

[CFBC]

Tri has pics of the Corgi Priller FW190. Have noticed they have included a centre rack which can be fitted when not on stand. What happened to the bomb or drop tank :confused:

Av8tor :wacko:

Yes Av8, posted a link the other day, have a look here (http://forums.diecast-aviation.eu/showthread.php?t=8181&highlight=tricatus) too. Tris thread. :)

No bomb or drop tank was included either in the one I photographed....

[fozzy45]

The centre rack with or without attachmets was a common feature and although it comes with no attachments on the Corgi Priller it is a nice tight fit with no gaps (at least on mine). This is very different from my Dragon Priller which has a rack that is an absolute pig to fit and when it stays on, as distinct from pinging away, has an unsightly gap along its entire base.

[gotz]

Hello Chaps, I would like to make a small contribution to the popular :) discussion about how wrong Corgis latest FW-190 (Corgi Priller FW190) is, that is that the rudder should be yellow, not grey as in Corgis version, "jutta" mark is wrong etc, check into this (http://www.zweiterweltkrieg.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=36&p=31430&t=2971)

Well done Corgi !!

[fozzy45]

Sorry Gotz but I think you mean they got it right. The yellow rudder with the larger "Jutta" emblem is a FW 190A3 (profile 27). If you refer to profile 26 which is the aircraft that the Corgi is based on this is an A5 varient with the smaller "Jutta" and the darker gey rudder. Looks to me that Corgi did o.k. on this one.

[gotz]

sorry for any confusion :o , but as You said, what I meant was that Corgi has made the Pips FW-190 A-5 right.
I just don´t know how many times I have been thinking for myself why Corgi, as it firstly seems, makes so many misstakes, then after some research it turns out that they are pretty close to the real thing.

[fozzy45]

Meant to say thanks earlier to Gotz for providing the web site link. Very useful with lots of great profiles.

[Edward Papazian]

Sorry Gotz but I think you mean they got it right. The yellow rudder with the larger "Jutta" emblem is a FW 190A3 (profile 27). If you refer to profile 26 which is the aircraft that the Corgi is based on this is an A5 varient with the smaller "Jutta" and the darker gey rudder. Looks to me that Corgi did o.k. on this one.

Whenever we get into discussions of how the planes in question actually looked, it's preferable, where possible, to refer to pictures of the real thing. With that in mind the picture, below, appears in "JG 26, Photographic History of the Luftwaffe's Top Guns" by Donald. L. Caldwell, Motorbooks International, 1994, ISBN 0-87938-845-5, on page 93. Here, we see Priller posing before his FW-190A-5 at Lille-Vendeville, sometime in May-June 1943.

As can be readily seen, Corgi got the fuselage cross right, but the rudder, which might be either yellow---as many modelers have assumed---or gray, clearly shows the underlying mottling under the overspray. As for the mottling, in general, it isn't really fair to concede that Corgi's rendition may be a tad off. It doesn't even resemble what the picture shows and is a very sloppy job. Also, and I realize that this may seem like a trivial point to some, Corgi's model doesn't seem to have a pitot head. One assumes that this is another cost saving measure.

[fozzy45]

Looked long and hard at that picture earlier which is also in Ospreys FW 190 Aces of the Western Front (p.41) and in Squadron Signals FW 190 in action (p.27). Agree that it is too difficult to tell whether the colour is yellow or grey and as you say some mottling is also apparent on the rudder. That said the shading does appear to me to be more likely to be grey and as the colour plates that I have seen also indicate grey I guess on balance I'm inclined to go with the flow on this. I take your point regarding the mottling and the lack of a pitot head but in the final analysis I still think the mutts 190 looks very effective and mine at least seems to be well screwed together. All in all I'd say this was a good addition by Corgi and I'm looking forward to some further versions from this rather under utilised mould.

[ZS-VAN]

Welcome to the forum gotz. I like that call-sign. Couple of good models of Gotz's planes around. ;)

[ZS-VAN]

Very nice picture of the Fw 190 Ed. ;)

[fozzy45]

Just picked up the white JG54 Trautloft FW 190 by Dragon over the weekend and realised what a love hate relationship I have with these models! First the good. Excellent paint scheme in that it provides, in my view, the only really convincing white winter scheme that is available anywhere in diecast. Detailing and stencil markings are also very good and surprise of surprises the undercarriage legs actually fit retracted down without collapsing. Frustrations? Well the bits that fall off are a pain and the centre rack attachment (as with all of my previous Dragons) simply does not fit. No provision for outer wing guns and the lack of a tail Swastica plus a really horribly fitting canopy (wish a one piece job had been provided) are issues for me and all have been mentioned before. Yet for all of these it is still a great model. For my money the Corgi version is the better of the two and has the more convincing engine cowling with the distinctive 'lip' (missing from Dragon) but I still like this mould and will doubtless pick up one or two others - just as long as I avoid their A8's which always seem to have the wrong cowling gun covers; This is just one error too much for me.

[fozzy45]

Just picked up the new Corgi "Schipol" FW190. Without doubt this is my favourite 190 to date from any manufacturer. Fit and finish is very tight with minimal gaps, nice accurate paint scheme and a very accurate profile shape that make this one a stand out must. Minor irritants are no pitot tube but everything else appears as it should. I like my Dragons but this one just edges them for me.

[kevjb64]

Just picked up the new Corgi "Schipol" FW190. Without doubt this is my favourite 190 to date from any manufacturer. Fit and finish is very tight with minimal gaps, nice accurate paint scheme and a very accurate profile shape that make this one a stand out must. Minor irritants are no pitot tube but everything else appears as it should. I like my Dragons but this one just edges them for me.

Totally agree and a very fitting final use of the mold in that form , with only 1200 being done do not expect this one to hang around too long . :)

[P51D]

Just picked up the new Corgi "Schipol" FW190. Without doubt this is my favourite 190 to date from any manufacturer. Fit and finish is very tight with minimal gaps, nice accurate paint scheme and a very accurate profile shape that make this one a stand out must. Minor irritants are no pitot tube but everything else appears as it should. I like my Dragons but this one just edges them for me.

Seems my local model shop have a web site now and they are showing them as being in stock. May have to take a look (assume the photo floating about on the web is of the production one not a pre pro?)

[prune]

Seems my local model shop have a web site now and they are showing them as being in stock. May have to take a look (assume the photo floating about on the web is of the production one not a pre pro?)

Looked at one today and was tempted,but the upperwing crosses put me off.
I stand to be corrected but Corgi have used fuselage style crosses instead of the narrower upperwing style,and the strange thing is all the other FWs Corgi have done are right.

[kevjb64]

Looked at one today and was tempted,but the upperwing crosses put me off.
I stand to be corrected but Corgi have used fuselage style crosses instead of the narrower upperwing style,and the strange thing is all the other FWs Corgi have done are right.

Not sure what the official Luftwaffe policy was in 1943 :unsure: and not working on this one did not see the pics used , though there are pictures of the plane just after it crashed landed . US34308 is the same , another 1943 FW . :)

[prune]

US34308 is the same , another 1943 FW . :)

Yes you're right,thats 2 they've got wrong then:D

[fozzy45]

Looked at one today and was tempted,but the upperwing crosses put me off.
I stand to be corrected but Corgi have used fuselage style crosses instead of the narrower upperwing style,and the strange thing is all the other FWs Corgi have done are right.

There is a very good picture of "white 4" in Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings 1933-1945 vol two by K A Merrick on page 284 after it suffered a taxiing accident. Interestingly it looks as though the top Balkenkreux was applied as a white outline only which was commonly applied to mid war types. So Corgi have unfortunaly got this wrong. That said, and I know it will spoil this one for many, but this is still a very nicely done 190.

[prune]

There is a very good picture of "white 4" in Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings 1933-1945 vol two by K A Merrick on page 284 after it suffered a taxiing accident. Interestingly it looks as though the top Balkenkreux was applied as a white outline only which was commonly applied to mid war types. So Corgi have unfortunaly got this wrong. That said, and I know it will spoil this one for many, but this is still a very nicely done 190.

It looks like research is still an issue then and somebody isn't up to the job.
Being a limited issue it will still sell out and wont bother Corgi,but its stopped me getting a model I wanted.I'll make the changes if I pick up a cheap one but thats not likely.

[leeG]

Just picked up the new Corgi "Schipol" FW190. Without doubt this is my favourite 190 to date from any manufacturer. Fit and finish is very tight with minimal gaps, nice accurate paint scheme and a very accurate profile shape that make this one a stand out must. Minor irritants are no pitot tube but everything else appears as it should. I like my Dragons but this one just edges them for me.

Can you post a picture?

[P51D]

Looked at one today and was tempted,but the upperwing crosses put me off.
I stand to be corrected but Corgi have used fuselage style crosses instead of the narrower upperwing style,and the strange thing is all the other FWs Corgi have done are right.

Saw one today and if this had been a new casting i would have overlooked the upperwing crosses and bought it. Trouble is most of us have multiples of this casting already. In this case releases have to be exceptional or reduced in order for us to part with the cash (space shortage!)

Comparing with past releases you could probably pick up (ebay?) any two dragons or corgis (with a few exceptions) for the same money.

[hworth18]

Not trying to start a fire here, but whatever happened to the knowledgable members of this forum consulting Corgi on these? The wrong upper wing crosses might as well have been a couple of strobe lights.

Shame too, this was on my to buy list.. :(

[Cruver Collecter]

Hmmmnnn????

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/AA34313.jpg

Hmmmnnnn again????

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/AA32516.jpg

Not getting a warm feeling, maybe they will rebound with the Defiant.

[Shawn 507]

Oh love the 50% weathering on the FW. Its to die for.

[Cruver Collecter]

Not trying to start a fire here, but whatever happened to the knowledgable members of this forum consulting Corgi on these? The wrong upper wing crosses might as well have been a couple of strobe lights.

Shame too, this was on my to buy list.. :(

Not sure what they where going for on the fuselage, weathering or a really bad attempt at mottling?????

[hworth18]

Not sure what they where going for on the fuselage, weathering or a really bad attempt at mottling?????

I think it is a fine/dirty mottle, not weathering..:unsure:

[Shawn 507]

I think it is a fine/dirty mottle, not weathering..:unsure:

Yea thats the ticket.:D ;)

[Martin Bull]

I think the weathering's in the camera - I looked at the Fw190 model at Dx over the weekend and it didn't actually look like it does in that photo ? :confused:

[The Defiant Man]

and it didn't actually look like it does in that photo

I should hope not......it looks like one from Corgi's bad old days......

[ZS-VAN]

A picture of one in a forum members hands would be nice. That way we have the same point of reference, hopefully. I'm quite disappointed. I was looking forward to this release. Like P-51D said, we've got multiples of this casting, new releases have to be exceptional.

[kevjb64]

Not trying to start a fire here, but whatever happened to the knowledgable members of this forum consulting Corgi on these? The wrong upper wing crosses might as well have been a couple of strobe lights.

Shame too, this was on my to buy list.. :(

Maybe they did not ask anyone but I seem to remember at the last meeting they spoke quite confidently of having reliable photographs . :unsure: :)

[kevjb64]

There is a very good picture of "white 4" in Luftwaffe Camouflage and Markings 1933-1945 vol two by K A Merrick on page 284 after it suffered a taxiing accident. Interestingly it looks as though the top Balkenkreux was applied as a white outline only which was commonly applied to mid war types. So Corgi have unfortunaly got this wrong. That said, and I know it will spoil this one for many, but this is still a very nicely done 190.

You obviously have a different version to mine as my volume II does not even have 284 pages . :confused: :D It does have pictures of the plane but none that show the top wing surface . :)

[kevjb64]

A picture of one in a forum members hands would be nice. That way we have the same point of reference, hopefully. I'm quite disappointed. I was looking forward to this release. Like P-51D said, we've got multiples of this casting, new releases have to be exceptional.

Well here are a few photos of my one , the side colour is a tad weird . It does look like weathering but I am pretty sure it is not intended as such . Excuse my usual naff photography . :o

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/Schipol2.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/schipol1-1.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/Schipol1.jpg

For me its the crosses are the kind of error I can live with though I appreciate for many its not . Hopefully its small run size will mean it may nothave too much trouble selling to the masses .

[kevjb64]

As I have already mentioned I cannot find any pictures of the wing crosses of this particular plane , so would be good to see them if anyone has them . Its a shame if it is wrong and it got missed as it has been hanging about as a picture since 2007 with those crosses on . I have found a few photos/ profiles of fighters with that top wing cross on but mainly on Me109E/F and Me110's but two FW190 . I have been asked not to post one as it is from a private collection but here is the other , though the white line on the wing is marginally thinner on this one than the model . : -

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/DSCF3727.jpg

[Edward Papazian]

Another issue with this model concerns the camouflage pattern on the upper left wing. Normally, the darker green and lighter gray applications are angled, as is seen on the right side. However, the larger green area nearest the fuselage on the left side flows straight back, parallel to the fuselage, not slanted towards it. I've never seen any FW-190 pictures with this feature and it is not evident on previous Corgi FW-190s. The missing pitot, wrong upper wing crosses, strange mottling and odd camouflage patterns all smack of haste- driven factory improvisations rather than bad research by Corgi.:(

[Cruver Collecter]

As I have already mentioned I cannot find any pictures of the wing crosses of this particular plane , so would be good to see them if anyone has them . Its a shame if it is wrong it got missed as it has been hanging about as a picture since 2007 with those crosses on . I have found a few photos/ profiles of fighters with that top wing cross on but mainly on Me109E/F and Me110's but two FW190 . I have been asked not to post one as it is from a private collection but here is the other , though the white line on the wing is marginally thinner on this one than the model . : -

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/DSCF3727.jpg

Not sure how much support this one in the photo might be for the Corgi model though. Fuselage registry almost looks like preproduction 190V series or possibly one of the first Fw 190A-0 or Fw 190A-1 variants field tested by staff of II.JG 26 at Rechlin. It also has earlier type vertical stabilizer minus antenna mast which supports earlier type model.

[Kubikali]

... I feel a complete n00b, newbie. I am quite chuffed that I can keep types and sometimes even subtypes apart. But correct placing of roundels, correct "Kreuze" etc.

I am truly impressed with the knowlegde of people on here! But I do have the occassional :eek: expression reading them posts/discussions. ;)

[prune]

Not sure how much support this one in the photo might be for the Corgi model though. Fuselage registry almost looks like preproduction 190V series or possibly one of the first Fw 190A-0 or Fw 190A-1 variants field tested by staff of II.JG 26 at Rechlin. It also has earlier type vertical stabilizer minus antenna mast which supports earlier type model.

Book I have says its one of the first A3s.
Think this one has to be filed under another Corgi cockup:(

[minter]

Book I have says its one of the first A3s.
Think this one has to be filed under another Corgi cockup:(

tis a shame was rather looking forward to this one mainly for the checkerboard cowling :(

[biffo]

tis a shame was rather looking forward to this one mainly for the checkerboard cowling :(Easy Model have a 1./JG1 Rudolf Hubi white "5" white checkerboard and a 2./JG1.red checkerboard
both FW190A-6's in the E/M range, comming soon?

[kevjb64]

Another issue with this model concerns the camouflage pattern on the upper left wing. Normally, the darker green and lighter gray applications are angled, as is seen on the right side. However, the larger green area nearest the fuselage on the left side flows straight back, parallel to the fuselage, not slanted towards it. I've never seen any FW-190 pictures with this feature and it is not evident on previous Corgi FW-190s. The missing pitot, wrong upper wing crosses, strange mottling and odd camouflage patterns all smack of haste- driven factory improvisations rather than bad research by Corgi.:(

Just got a few things from my guy in Germany .

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/JG26.jpg

Two JG26 A3's going on mission . Most of first batch of A3's had the same style cross on fuselage , under/over wing . This stopped mainly quickly at main production plant , though war makes strange things happen , but carried over in some of the other licensed plants through other series . Most notably Arado who were never supplied with any other form of stencil by the RLM . Is usallly more like underwing than fuselage due to black outer lines used but sometimes these used on fuselage as well , sometimes they not used on wing ones . Like RAF sometimes factory / ground crew do what they like , use what they have .

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/White5.jpg

An A4 , picture dated 1943 .

An interesting choice of wing cammo by Corgi . This has been much rumoured / talked in past but only ever seen ( maybe ) on this JG6 machine . Is it paint or shadow ? Have measured blown photo and runs in straight line with fuselage , other side demark line may angle out front to back of wing . Angle wrong to see if any other cammo paint on wing do not own original of this photo ??

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/JG6.jpg

Reason for colour scheme is plane was left dirty or made dirty . So here maybe Corgi also correct , fuselage cross also dirty , white 4 as per some photo and profile . Discussions conclude this plane also used as night fighter , this reason for colour , I am not this sure as they never tone down checker front or spinner . Strange no pitot tube , error .

Apologies still amending asmore info coming in .

[prune]

It may clear things up if Corgi just produced their reliable photographs.

[kevjb64]

It may clear things up if Corgi just produced their reliable photographs.

True though I did ask and to the best of his knowledge , none exist of the wing upper or lower . There is one of another aircraft of the same unit but that one has crashed so badly no one can decide if they are looking at the top or bottom half of the wing , though the cross is quite clear , so a shame . :)

[kevjb64]

It may clear things up if Corgi just produced their reliable photographs.

Though probably now the model is here and despite the fact it has been in picture / catalogue profile floating around on various sites for almost 3 years since the US Corgi announced it , no doubt a full set of photos are due anytime now . :rolleyes:

[prune]

Theres a picture here :D
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.leisuregalleries.com/dayfighters.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.leisuregalleries.com/trudgian.html&usg=__s35l6S6y1bmH5aPWOvHdb9B0wNA=&h=1021&w=765&sz=239&hl=en&start=5&itbs=1&tbnid=CE9ALz3sTgQ6iM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=112&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtrudgian%2BFw190%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Do ff%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

[kevjb64]

Theres a picture here :D
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.leisuregalleries.com/dayfighters.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.leisuregalleries.com/trudgian.html&usg=__s35l6S6y1bmH5aPWOvHdb9B0wNA=&h=1021&w=765&sz=239&hl=en&start=5&itbs=1&tbnid=CE9ALz3sTgQ6iM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=112&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtrudgian%2BFw190%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Do ff%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26tbs%3Disch:1

:LOL: :LOL:

[timbo]

Though probably now the model is here and despite the fact it has been in picture / catalogue profile floating around on various sites for almost 3 years since the US Corgi announced it , no doubt a full set of photos are due anytime now . :rolleyes:

Also the original production run was flogged off on ebay by that back street dealer from China.

Where are photos of that version and how do they compare to this one?

[fozzy45]

You obviously have a different version to mine as my volume II does not even have 284 pages . :confused: :D It does have pictures of the plane but none that show the top wing surface . :)

Just checked and the photo is definitely on p.284. Are you sure you are looking at volume II? My edition is dated 1995. The aircraft has crashed but not badly and the top wing is quite clear. Outline markings are in white. According to Merrick the colour scheme is the standard 74/75/76. Aircraft is identified as 'white 4' w.Nr. 0601. of JG1. I am assuming this is the same aircraft?

[kevjb64]

Just checked and the photo is definitely on p.284. Are you sure you are looking at volume II? My edition is dated 1995. The aircraft has crashed but not badly and the top wing is quite clear. Outline markings are in white. According to Merrick the colour scheme is the standard 74/75/76. Aircraft is identified as 'white 4' w.Nr. 0601. of JG1. I am assuming this is the same aircraft?

Yep though my 1976 V.II stops at p.164 . In V.III on page 17 I have the profile and on page 109 two black and white pictures ( though apparently coloured ones do exist) . One of the plane with its starboard undercarriage collapsed and one a close up of the port side checkered cowling . Under this is a photo of a pretty totalled Bf109F from 10./JG1 . The FW190 A-4 is identified as White 4 of 1./JG but can find no reference to a Werk. No. in any of the volumes . If you have clear pictures that should settle that one then .:)

[kevjb64]

Also the original production run was flogged off on ebay by that back street dealer from China.

Where are photos of that version and how do they compare to this one?

Once again , to the best of my knowledge , this is the original artwork from 2007 that was used to advertise this . Corgi did not bother with a new one . I was asked if I had any additional knowledge of the scheme but checked all my resources and turned up zilch . Next time it came up Corgi had finished the scheme from another source .

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll124/kevjb64/is.jpg

[fozzy45]

Yep though my 1976 V.II stops at p.164 . In V.III on page 17 I have the profile and on page 109 two black and white pictures ( though apparently coloured ones do exist) . One of the plane with its starboard undercarriage collapsed and one a close up of the port side checkered cowling . Under this is a photo of a pretty totalled Bf109F from 10./JG1 . The FW190 A-4 is identified as White 4 of 1./JG but can find no reference to a Werk. No. in any of the volumes . If you have clear pictures that should settle that one then .:)

Unfortunately my home computer has gone Kaput and so I have sneaked on to the daughters but will be pushed off any minute due to the demands of Facebook! Hopefully I will be able to post a picture of the page tomorrow. I have to say that apart from the marking issue this is still a very nice model. The side motling is actually quite delicately applied and the general fit and finish is excellent. I will also try to post a picture of the model tomorrow.

[kevjb64]

Unfortunately my home computer has gone Kaput and so I have sneaked on to the daughters but will be pushed off any minute due to the demands of Facebook! Hopefully I will be able to post a picture of the page tomorrow. I have to say that apart from the marking issue this is still a very nice model. The side motling is actually quite delicately applied and the general fit and finish is excellent. I will also try to post a picture of the model tomorrow.

Would agree it has been on show for a few days now and I have mine in flight and quite high up so I do not see the wing crosses and all I see currently as I walk in the room is that bright checkered front , looks very :cool . :)

[parsig9]

Also the original production run was flogged off on ebay by that back street dealer from China.

Where are photos of that version and how do they compare to this one?


I kept two photos of this from before. The OMI pic is the Corgi pre-release from years ago. The other is mine of the backdoor China version (which I sold for a tidy sum in anticipation of this one). After reading all this, I think we care way more about the wing BKs than the men in the field did and it seems we don't know 'for sure'.......
I have looked forward to this model for two years and the Pooch 190s never have pitots right. I'm buying it for sure and maybe two. It's very unique and I have the Trudgian print ready to frame as well. Thanks Corgi!!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l186/parsig9/US34311Schiphol190.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l186/parsig9/IMG_0852.jpg

[kevjb64]

Unfortunately my home computer has gone Kaput and so I have sneaked on to the daughters but will be pushed off any minute due to the demands of Facebook! Hopefully I will be able to post a picture of the page tomorrow. I have to say that apart from the marking issue this is still a very nice model. The side motling is actually quite delicately applied and the general fit and finish is excellent. I will also try to post a picture of the model tomorrow.

Look forward to it . :)

[timbo]

After reading all this, I think we care way more about the wing BKs than the men in the field did and it seems we don't know 'for sure'.......


I think that pretty much sums it up.

I'm looking forward to this one to put next to my Losigkeit (also with black BK's):D

[Cruver Collecter]

So that is supposed to be mottled type camouflage, looks like a really poorly done wash or maybe even half hearted dry brush attempt. With all the flak HM got for it's mottling on their Bf 110s, just don't see this being a step up either.

[Edward Papazian]

So that is supposed to be mottled type camouflage, looks like a really poorly done wash or maybe even half hearted dry brush attempt. With all the flak HM got for it's mottling on their Bf 110s, just don't see this being a step up either.

It will be interesting to compare the "mottling" on this model from one piece to another to see if some sort of common masking was used or whether it was dry brushed by hand. :o

[Shawn 507]

Me thinks I'd be highly pissed off if I parted with the bottom one for the top model.

I kept two photos of this from before. The OMI pic is the Corgi pre-release from years ago. The other is mine of the backdoor China version (which I sold for a tidy sum in anticipation of this one). After reading all this, I think we care way more about the wing BKs than the men in the field did and it seems we don't know 'for sure'.......
I have looked forward to this model for two years and the Pooch 190s never have pitots right. I'm buying it for sure and maybe two. It's very unique and I have the Trudgian print ready to frame as well. Thanks Corgi!!

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l186/parsig9/US34311Schiphol190.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l186/parsig9/IMG_0852.jpg

[kevjb64]

So that is supposed to be mottled type camouflage, looks like a really poorly done wash or maybe even half hearted dry brush attempt. With all the flak HM got for it's mottling on their Bf 110s, just don't see this being a step up either.

My personal opinion is that it looks more like weathering . :)

[P51D]

Me thinks I'd be highly pissed off if I parted with the bottom one for the top model.

Was just thinking the same!

Saw a picture of the bottom one and first impression was 'that looks miles better than the one i saw'!

[sniperUK]

My personal opinion is that it looks more like weathering . :)

No expert on Lufty planes ,they bore the **** of me, but looking at the pics Kev put up to me it looks like a field paint job to tone the blue down , probably using brushes similar to this (yes it's a helicopter but you will see what I mean)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/sniperUK/ch15.jpg

[kevjb64]

Could be the case Sniper . :)

[Shawn 507]

My personal opinion is that it looks more like weathering . :)

Souldn't the wings be "weathered" too?

[kevjb64]

Souldn't the wings be "weathered" too?


We all await fozzy45 wing photos . :)

[Cruver Collecter]

My personal opinion is that it looks more like weathering . :)

If that is the case, then really have to shake my head at the attempt. With that heavy of weathering extending up the vertical stabilizer, would have thought there would be similar weathering on horizontal stabilizers and maybe even wings. Nose checkerboard also a little to pristine to justify that much weathering. Wonder if might have been better had they gone for something closer to the one pictured below.

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/Fw190CheckerBoard.jpg

[Cruver Collecter]

We all await fozzy45 wing photos . :)

Based on this photo, one fresh out of the box, nothing on the wings.

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/AA34313.jpg

[kevjb64]

Based on this photo, one fresh out of the box, nothing on the wings.

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/AA34313.jpg

Sorry talking about his original picture of the real wings . :)

[Cruver Collecter]

Sorry talking about his original picture of the real wings . :)

Well if just going off of real photos to compare fuselage to wings with regards to weathering, with the amount of weathering extending down the fuselage to include the vertical stabilizer of the model, kind of hard to think the wing and horizontal stabilizers would be so pristine. Found a couple of photos, not overly weathered, but it is easy to see at least a little exhaust stains extending to the wing roots. The more I look at this one, less it looks to be weathering and more like botched attempt at mottling. Kind of hard to buy the weathering argument when the rest of the model is so pristine.

Two early model Fw 190s. Think A-3 models

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/FW190-A3exhauststains.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/FW190exhauststains2.jpg

[ZS-VAN]

Me thinks I'd be highly pissed off if I parted with the bottom one for the top model.

Was just thinking the same!

Saw a picture of the bottom one and first impression was 'that looks miles better than the one i saw'!

I couldn't agree more! :rolleyes:

[kevjb64]

Well if just going off of real photos to compare fuselage to wings with regards to weathering, with the amount of weathering extending down the fuselage to include the vertical stabilizer of the model, kind of hard to think the wing and horizontal stabilizers would be so pristine. Found a couple of photos, not overly weathered, but it is easy to see at least a little exhaust stains extending to the wing roots. The more I look at this one, less it looks to be weathering and more like botched attempt at mottling. Kind of hard to buy the weathering argument when the rest of the model is so pristine.

Two early model Fw 190s. Think A-3 models

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/FW190-A3exhauststains.jpg

http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/ss321/CruverCollecter/FW190exhauststains2.jpg

And without any actual real picture of the plane your pics would be of great interest but now we know there is one may as well wait for that to see . :)

[timbo]

I think Sniper hit this on the head. This is not weathering but someone in the field got the paint brush out and toned down the light blue on the sides and the tail.

[fozzy45]

As promised the attached is the photo I was referring to. It clearly shows the white outline crosses on the top wings.

Sorry about the quality but I have a great camera (Panasonic GF1) but carp computer skills and it took me two hours to figure out how to compress the file down to a size that would download to the web site.

[Cruver Collecter]

As promised the attached is the photo I was referring to. It clearly shows the white outline crosses on the top wings.

Sorry about the quality but I have a great camera (Panasonic GF1) but carp computer skills and it took me two hours to figure out how to compress the file down to a size that would download to the web site.

Also looks like the more conventional type mottled paint scheme as apposed to what model is sporting. Pitot tube definitely on the real one.

[Cardinal]

I actually like this model and intend adding it to my FW190 collection :cool: - there goes what's left of my credibility I suppose ... :D :LOL:

[Shawn 507]

I got it, this model is a field re-build. The original wings were destroyed either by combat or as result of a raid on the airfield. Yea thats it.
So then the Germans rebuilt it with new wings and thats why it looks the way it does.
No need to debate it any further.:LOL: :LOL: ;)

[kevjb64]

As promised the attached is the photo I was referring to. It clearly shows the white outline crosses on the top wings.

Sorry about the quality but I have a great camera (Panasonic GF1) but carp computer skills and it took me two hours to figure out how to compress the file down to a size that would download to the web site.

Thanks for the effort fozzy45 . :)

[Edward Papazian]

This picture, posted above, seems to be the basis of many artists' renditions of "White 4". As can be seen, the mottling is conventional as, I suspect, is the upper wing camouflage scheme. Also, the fuselage side crosses have had their white portions muted by applications of gray, which is consistent with the use of low visibility white outline crosses on the upper wings. Moreover, the number four is not outlined in the picture of the real plane---unlike the Corgi rendition-----again an attempt to make the plane less easy to spot.

I doubt that Corgi will produce any pictorial documentation for the scheme and markings of its version of "White 4 " but I'd sure like to see the pictures it used as a reference on this one. I suspect that this is probably another case of the factory's interpretations taking precedence over Corgi's instructions, most likely with ease of production being the factory's prime concern.:(

[Edward Papazian]

I stumbled across another picture of "White 4" which appears on page 41 of ""Luftwaffe Colours", Volume Five, Section 1 ( "Jagdwaffe, Defending The Reich, 1943-44" ) by Robert Forsyth. The interesting point here is the presence of the pilot's personal emblem under the cockpit---a feature which is in some artists' renditions but not in others. Can't see much else of the fuselage but what is visible suggests that the plane was mottled.

[Edward Papazian]

Here's the picture referred to, above:

[kevjb64]

Here's the picture referred to, above:

Could be a different ( replacement ?? :unsure: ) plane though . Text says A-5 and there appears to be no unit badge on the checkered section ?? What I find quite bizarre in all this is all the references by numerous writers / commentators of ' attempts to tone down the side paint or make the plane less visible ' , whilst it had that sodding great checkered nose shouting here I am come and shoot me down !!! :eek: ;)

[leeG]

Could be a different ( replacement ?? :unsure: ) plane though . Text says A-5 and there appears to be no unit badge on the checkered section ?? What I find quite bizarre in all this is all the references by numerous writers / commentators of ' attempts to tone down the side paint or make the plane less visible ' , whilst it had that sodding great checkered nose shouting here I am come and shoot me down !!! :eek: ;)

They did get rid of the checkered nose. Made them look too much like American Thunderbolts. A big problem with both the Americans and their fellow Lufty pilots trying to shoot them down. :eek:

[tc2324]

Read through the various posts and each to their own as the saying goes, but I think this Fockers spot on IMPO.....:LOL:

[fozzy45]

I actually like this model and intend adding it to my FW190 collection :cool: - there goes what's left of my credibility I suppose ... :D :LOL:

You and me then. Apart from the incorrect top wing cross I actually really like this one. In the flesh the mottling which looks like crude weathering under the harsh light of the flash actually looks not that bad and as I have said before the overall fit and finish is very good. I like the cowl and the contrast with the rest of the paint finish and on display it looks rather good. In the final analysis if you like it buy it but if the innacuracies are too off putting then there are plenty of other releases ready for your hard earned. As for me I'm looking forward to the modified A8 version. Hopefully Corgi will ensure that the final product will accurately reflect the referencies.

[triumph]

AA34313 Focke Wulf FW190 A4 - 1/JG1 - Schipol, Holland, 1943
Sorry but I love this one it now replaces my Josef Priller 190 on the display shelf
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/4a.jpg
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/2a.jpg
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/1a.jpg

[KO-B]

I've just commented on your pics in the other thread, Triumph, but that looks much, MUCH better than the pre-pro pictures I've seen. Like it. Lots!:D

KO-B

[Edward Papazian]

Just thought I'd share a picture of my "white 4" redo. I've added a pitot head, toned down all of the colors, dulled down the white portions of the fuselage crosses with gray, enlarged the number 4 and gotten rid of the outline, changed the upper wing crosses, modified the left wing's camouflage pattern, redid the "mottling and given the model my standard weathering/staining treatment. Here's how it came out:

[fozzy45]

AA34313 Focke Wulf FW190 A4 - 1/JG1 - Schipol, Holland, 1943
Sorry but I love this one it now replaces my Josef Priller 190 on the display shelf
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/4a.jpg
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/2a.jpg
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/1a.jpg

Great Pictures Triumph. They capture exactly what I was trying to articulate in my posts. In the flesh this is a top model.

[Edward Papazian]

I've just commented on your pics in the other thread, Triumph, but that looks much, MUCH better than the pre-pro pictures I've seen. Like it. Lots!:D

KO-B

Second that, Triumph. Your pictures really enhance the appearance of this model.:)

[parsig9]

So glad I defended this plane. Great looking pics Triumph.


:)

[prune]

Triumphs (and Agents)pics are some of the only ones that consistently make the model look as good as it really is.Crosses will still stop me getting this one though:(

[ACES]

AA34313 Focke Wulf FW190 A4 - 1/JG1 - Schipol, Holland, 1943
Sorry but I love this one it now replaces my Josef Priller 190 on the display shelf
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/4a.jpg
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/2a.jpg
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab118/1050triumph/72nd%20Scale/1a.jpg

Greats pics of a good model i will certainly pic this up.

[ACES]

Just thought I'd share a picture of my "white 4" redo. I've added a pitot head, toned down all of the colors, dulled down the white portions of the fuselage crosses with gray, enlarged the number 4 and gotten rid of the outline, changed the upper wing crosses, modified the left wing's camouflage pattern, redid the "mottling and given the model my standard weathering/staining treatment. Here's how it came out:

Sorry Ed but i can't say im a lover of what you have done on this one.just a touch OTT . But 10/10 for having a go.:o :)

[tc2324]

A couple of pics of the new FW 190 sitting along side my Dragon(?) version. IMPO the Corgi version is great and a vast improvement on previous releases.

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/tc2324/009-15.jpg

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac81/tc2324/012-13.jpg

[P51D]

A couple of pics of the new FW 190 sitting along side my Dragon(?) version.



Nice pics (witty FW190 by the way)

For me the FM special ranks as the best corgi FW ever :cool:!! but if the little niggles mentioned on this thread had been addressed this one would be right up there with it IMHO!

[Edward Papazian]

Sorry Ed but i can't say im a lover of what you have done on this one.just a touch OTT . But 10/10 for having a go.:o :)

Duly noted, ACES. I sometimes go overboard on the staining which makes some models look rather gritty-----especially if photographed in less than full light. My real issues with this particular replica concern the missing pitot head, the wrong crosses on both the upper wings and fuselage, plus the way that the number 4 was rendered. I like to collect reasonably accurate models, hence, my efforts to correct obvious flaws whenever I can. I think that we can agree that each collector should go with whatever makes him happy regarding diecast warbirds but I'll freely admit that I go OTT sometimes. Later, after due reflection, I go back and tone down some of my models as to weathering, stains, etc. In fact, I just did this to a repaint of an HM "TBF", which I had "over weathered".

[timbo]

Duly noted, ACES. I sometimes go overboard on the staining which makes some models look rather gritty-----especially if photographed in less than full light. My real issues with this particular replica concern the missing pitot head, the wrong crosses on both the upper wings and fuselage, plus the way that the number 4 was rendered. I like to collect reasonably accurate models, hence, my efforts to correct obvious flaws whenever I can. I think that we can agree that each collector should go with whatever makes him happy regarding diecast warbirds but I'll freely admit that I go OTT sometimes. Later, after due reflection, I go back and tone down some of my models as to weathering, stains, etc. In fact, I just did this to a repaint of an HM "TBF", which I had "over weathered".

Out of interest, how did you remove the original wing crosses and other wrong markings?

[ACES]

Out of interest, how did you remove the original wing crosses and other wrong markings?

I would like to know that also ED plus how many models do you have ? it must be one big collection.

[Edward Papazian]

Out of interest, how did you remove the original wing crosses and other wrong markings?

In this particular case, I was going to repaint the entire surface area of the model so, rather than messing with nail polish remover----which is iffy---I fine sanded the markings off and painted over them, using the original paint scheme as a primer.

[minter]

I've just commented on your pics in the other thread, Triumph, but that looks much, MUCH better than the pre-pro pictures I've seen. Like it. Lots!:D

KO-B

yes these pics make it look very nice, might have to get one

[P51D]

Not quite sure about the history of this model? From what I remember it was on the cards for ages. Then it got dropped for some reason....and we moaned! :D

Then the production model suddenly appeared with little or no forum input? Shame as it could have been a really decent model with no extra expense or effort.

Having said that at least the 'errors' on this one are open to discussion (i.e could have looked like this?) where silly pilots (gemini, witty) are not.

[Edward Papazian]

I would like to know that also ED plus how many models do you have ? it must be one big collection.

While I sometimes use non-acetone nail polish remover to get rid of markings on diecast models I plan to repaint, Aces, this is a fairly risky process. On many Corgi models, the paint is applied heavily, and, if you are careful, the remover doesn't do too much damage to the paint. However, this is not always the case. Also, brushing on the remover and wiping it off, leaves a sticky residue that must be carefully cleaned before you do anything further with the model. As a result, I opt for fine sanding, in many cases----the object being to obtain a smooth surface----and paint over it. Of course, if all you want to do is change the markings, that's another matter and remover may be the only option. But proceed with care, applying small, water-diluted drops, one at a time, until the tempo printing starts to "give". Once that happens---and it takes some time----you can get more aggressive with your applications and rubbing---so long as the surrounding paint seems OK.

As for the size of my collection, the last time I counted, it was well over 1,000 and is probably approaching 1300. This, includes many small scale models, however, and lots of "extras" plus those in my "bin, so it's a bit misleading. I display only about 400-500 models, though some of these are rotated from storage and back again.

[P51D]

As for the size of my collection, the last time I counted, it was well over 1,000 and is probably approaching 1300. This, includes many small scale models, however, and lots of "extras" plus those in my "bin, so it's a bit misleading. I display only about 400-500 models, though some of these are rotated from storage and back again.

And if memory serves you don't just have a cabinet or two (like most of us) but a very nice looking room (full of cabinets)!! :cool

[MiGAlley]

Wow, Triumph's pictures really do give this release a lift! I already bought one of the Hong Kong specials back in the day, so I won't be having one, but otherwise I'd be much tempted!

Here's to hoping that Corgi do manage to improve on the details on their forthcoming A-8, though - it'd be a shame if that had the wing cross issues too.

And although I really like Corgi's FW190, and the ease with which it is assembled, I still hope that Corgi sometime will manage to get the kind of finish that Dragon managed on their better FW190s, which have more detailed markings and nicer feathered paintwork:

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj208/CP_RF/DragonFockes.jpg

Still, there's no thing like too many FW190s if you ask me ;)

[hworth18]

If anyone is interested, I researched the upper wing crosses a little more and Corgi did get this one right. The A-4 still used this version and the crosses weren't changed until later with the A-5, 6 and 8 versions.

[Nimrod48]

If anyone is interested, I researched the upper wing crosses a little more and Corgi did get this one right. The A-4 still used this version and the crosses weren't changed until later with the A-5, 6 and 8 versions.

Nice one H ;)

[hworth18]

Nice one H ;)

Thanks, but I blew this in my original posting. I must admit I just don't know that much about the early 190s....:o

[fozzy45]

Just looking through Eric Mombeeks "Defenders of the Reich" vol II and page 167 has a collection of photo's of this aircraft plus a side colour profile. This indicates that Corgi got it right with producing the "white 4" with a slim black surround as is portrayed on the colour profile in Mombeeks book. The pictures are not particularly clear on this but a black outline is certainly consistent with the style of numbering as portrayed on numerous (better quality) pictures and profiles throughout this book for JG1 aircraft of this period. As far as the upper wing cross is concerned I think it almost certain from the photo I posted previously that it should be of the low visibility white outline type. In conclusion. Not 100% accurate but does it really matter? - I like this one anyway - just the way it is.

[kevjb64]

I see white 4 has now sold out at Corgi . :)

[ACES]

I see white 4 has now sold out at Corgi . :)

That does not suprise me with this model its quite superb and its the first time i have been in MZ having a look around and two collectors came in and bought them which is unusual.Get it while you can :)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr91/rav4/007-4.jpg

[P51D]

its the first time i have been in MZ having a look around and two collectors came in and bought them which is unusual.Get it while you can :)



'Sold out at Corgi' often has that effect, not for me though, heard it too often before.

Great pic though!! :)

[kevjb64]

That does not suprise me with this model its quite superb and its the first time i have been in MZ having a look around and two collectors came in and bought them which is unusual.Get it while you can :)

http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr91/rav4/007-4.jpg

Well starting from a fairly low run base of 1200 , I was not expecting it to hang around too long . At retail outlets and the bay we will have to wait and see . Great pic . :)

[Martin Bull]

'Sold out at Corgi' often has that effect, not for me though, heard it too often before.


:eek:

THEY'RE ALL GOING !!!

Y'hear me ?!

THEY'RE ALL GOING ! ! ! ! ! !

:eek: :eek: :eek:

( ;) )

[The Defiant Man]

'Sold out at Corgi' often has that effect, not for me though, heard it too often before.

Great pic though!! :)

Well starting from a fairly low run base of 1200 , I was not expecting it to hang around too long . At retail outlets and the bay we will have to wait and see . Great pic . :)

With P51D on this one....1,200 is more than plenty for the Nth 190, no matter how good it is (or otherwise - still think that camo/weathering (was it decided which it was?:unsure:) looks naff).....& the way some (supposedly) SOAC models have been placed on the market, both initially and in subsequent dumps/sales over the last few months have shown that SOAC means nothing when it comes to future availability & price......

Still.....if Corgi can get them away to those in the trade that believe their own ramping, then good for them....keeps the range profitable for them.....

[fozzy45]

Just wondering if anyone has seen a production copy of the Dahl A8 that is due out. Be interested to see how effective the revised casting is and if the markings come complete without any glitches. The last one while good was spoilt by incorrect upper wing markings. Hope Corgi get this one right as I am a fan of their nicely done 190 and am rather looking forward to this one.

[ZS-VAN]

Could someone please do me the service of pointing out the revisions or direct me to the appropriate thread please. Thank you.

[KO-B]

Just wondering if anyone has seen a production copy of the Dahl A8 that is due out. Be interested to see how effective the revised casting is and if the markings come complete without any glitches. The last one while good was spoilt by incorrect upper wing markings. Hope Corgi get this one right as I am a fan of their nicely done 190 and am rather looking forward to this one.

The Mule has pics, fozzy - also on Celtic's site here.

http://www.diecastairplanesandwaterlineships.com/1-72_Corgi_German_31.htm

I haven't a clue as to it's accuracy, but I rather like the look of this one.:cool

KO-B

[Craig]

As with KO-B, know little to nothing about the FW190, but the finish on this really does look superb... :cool

[Shamrock]

Could the 'experten' tell me what the two rectangular bars are on the underside beside the centre pylon? Pics on 'airborne donkey' :) It thought 'Schipol' was excellent.

[C17Driver]

Just wondering if anyone has seen a production copy of the Dahl A8 that is due out. Be interested to see how effective the revised casting is and if the markings come complete without any glitches. The last one while good was spoilt by incorrect upper wing markings. Hope Corgi get this one right as I am a fan of their nicely done 190 and am rather looking forward to this one.

I just got this one a few days ago and I am impressed. I have plenty of Pooch 190's and this is the best. The feathered paint is the best I've seen by Corgi yet. As to any glitches, I really don't know but it sure looks good. It's not often that I go back to my cabinet and have another look at a new addition. I went back more that once. I'm sure there is a marking missing or rivet out of place but to me it's perfect. Recommended.

[timbo]

Just wondering if anyone has seen a production copy of the Dahl A8 that is due out. Be interested to see how effective the revised casting is and if the markings come complete without any glitches. The last one while good was spoilt by incorrect upper wing markings. Hope Corgi get this one right as I am a fan of their nicely done 190 and am rather looking forward to this one.

Yest my local toy store dealer had one on display here. Cannot comment on the mods as I have no idea how to tell the marks apart, but it did look very nice.

[fozzy45]

Mine arrived today and now that I have had time to look at it I can confirm that this is in my view the best 190 by Corgi todate.

First to the A8 mods. These have been generally very well done by Corgi. The new "bulged" cowling gun covers to the13mm MG131's and the new later style engine cooling gills are particularly good. Other mods include lengthened 20mm MG 151 outer wing guns c/w squared off bulged covers on the upper wing and a repositioned pitot tube.

The colour scheme is very well done and the mottling effect is particularly convincing.

Issues? For me there are three. Two minor and one not so clever. The minor ones are that the pitot tube is unpainted which looks a little odd. I don't know if this is as it should be so comments welcome. The second concerns the fuselage cross which is in grey. This may be correct and looks "right" as it blends in well with the mottling but every profile I have seen of this particular colour scheme shows them to be in black. Corgi could well be correct as at this time of the war toned down grey markings were often used but again comments on this are welcome. The final issue, and the only really anoying one, concerns the ridiculously overscale shackles that Corgi have attached to the underfuselage pilon. If this is meant to be a drop tank shackle then it's length seems to me to be closer to 1/32 than 1/72! However, it is just possible that this odd attachment is intended to be a form if "inflight" stand as the model balances rather neatly on them in undercart up position but this may just be me being overly kind to Corgi regarding this rather odd attachment.

Still all in all this is a great release and for my money knocks the spots of all other 1/72 190s produced by Corgi and Dragon. With only 1100 being produced I'd be inclined to get one if you are a fan of this type.

[Martin Bull]

What a relief.:unsure:

[aron]

Regarding the grey fuselage cross, judge yourself.

http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Fw-190A/Fw-190A-JG300.2-Blue-13-Dahl/pages/5-Pilot-Walter-Dahl-01.html

My big issue is the missing drop tank and the strange oversized rack. Details which ought to be included and good on a 2010 diecast release. Minor issues is the missing red trim tabs as on the Priller version, unpainted pitot tube and prop blades.

Despite the issues stated above I really like this model. Think it looks great and sets a new standard for camouflage and mottling. The best 1:72 Fw 190 so far.

[Lofty]

. The best 1:72 Fw 190 so far.

You on crack ? :rolleyes:
Been some far cooler ones from Dragon.......:wacko:
And I still don't like the flip top canopy on pooch 190's

[Martin Bull]

...but Dragon never did do a decent 190A-8.....:unsure:

[fozzy45]

...but Dragon never did do a decent 190A-8.....:unsure:

Too true MB. They always seemed happy to produce A4/5 varients and call them A8's even though they actually produced the majority of the A8 mods as can be seen by the Heinz Bar and Grislawski A7's:wacko:

I have to say I am also of the view (and I have 5 Dragon 190's) that this new Corgi 190 really does beat the pants off of the Dragon and all other Corgi versions. I have always felt that the Dragon tended to flatter to deceive with very similar paint schemes (using incidently paint colours that were generally too light) and with a problematical cowling shape that was overly narrow and did not have the distinctive front "lip". Then there are the attachements that don't attach:confused: and the lack of tail Swastika markings.

This new one from Corgi ups the game for me. I just wish Corgi had produced it with an underfuselage pilon that had a drop tank attached.

I am not anti Dragon just think their 190's are a little over rated. For me their best one is the delicately done white Trouloft one with the nicely weathered finish. It is also an A4 varient and therefore one of their more accurate renditions.

[Lofty]

...but Dragon never did do a decent 190A-8.....:unsure:

Very true, MB .
But for the A4 variant they nudge past pooch offerings.
The early Cyber Robber versions just ooze diecast Luftwaffe porn....;)
Herman Graf's was pick of the bunch......
As for missing swazi's, nuffink a decal didn't cure.....

[P51D]

But for the A4 variant they nudge past pooch offerings.
The early Cyber Robber versions just ooze diecast Luftwaffe porn....;)
Herman Graf's was pick of the bunch......
.....

True! :)




As for missing swazi's, nuffink a decal didn't cure.....

Never quite the same when you have to add anything yourself so they loose big points to Corgi here......but they are that good that (as you say) they still nudge past.............

Must take a closer look at this latest Corgi offering though seems to be getting the thumbs up from all who have one! (and a proper A-8 by the sounds of it! :cool: )

[fozzy45]

True! :)




Never quite the same when you have to add anything yourself so they loose big points to Corgi here......but they are that good that (as you say) they still nudge past.............

Must take a closer look at this latest Corgi offering though seems to be getting the thumbs up from all who have one! (and a proper A-8 by the sounds of it! :cool: )

Well worth a look P51D. I have four of the Cyber Hobby releases and nice as they are this one does it for me. Certainly if you want a proper A-8 version it is the only game in town.

[parsig9]

Here is the bomb rack I think Corgi is trying to show. Seems this is used in place of the longer rack for a fuel tank and not with like Celtic showed. Small matter really. http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l186/parsig9/fw-190bombrack.jpg

[Martin Bull]

Very true, MB .
But for the A4 variant they nudge past pooch offerings.
The early Cyber Robber versions just ooze diecast Luftwaffe porn....;)


I agree, which is why I was so annoyed when Dragon 'copped out' over the A-8s ( but I think that, by then, their glory years were behind them...:( )

[kevjb64]

Picked this up to day and would agree with what the vast majority are saying a great piece of diecast . :cool :cool Well done MB . :)

[Martin Bull]

Mine just arrived ( Postie left it with the neighbours :o ).

Well, not bad. I won't say it's perfect ( cockpit could still be better ) but to be honest, Corgi have done a better job than I thought they would. Correct bulges, correct cannon, correct pitot tube ; and the markings look quite :cool: . Give Corgi a bit of credit, they've worked long and hard (under heavy and justified criticism) at the elusive Luftwaffe 'mottling' and they're getting there......

[blue steel]

Picked this up to day and would agree with what the vast majority are saying a great piece of diecast . :cool :cool Well done MB . :)

Did he design/make it :unsure:

[sniperUK]

Did he design/make it :unsure:

He was the "lead" and taskmaster on this one.

[kevjb64]

Did he design/make it :unsure:

whoops left out ' Corgi and ' in that post .;)

[Lofty]

Certainly if you want a proper A-8 version it is the only game in town.

And ultimately that's the rub . :rolleyes:

[Scottuk]

Dahl 190 just arrived. Looks like a 190, sits like a 190 and looks:cool

Pics to follow but it's too cold to open the loft up just now.:eek:

[Craig]

Dahl 190 just arrived. Looks like a 190, sits like a 190 and looks:cool

Pics to follow but it's too cold to open the loft up just now.:eek:
Ah so it's not sunlight but metal fatigue that'll get you then... :eek: :unsure: :o

[Davidte2007]

Ah so it's not sunlight but metal fatigue that'll get you then... :eek: :unsure: :o

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL: Soz Scottuk :rolleyes: ;)

[Scottuk]

Ah so it's not sunlight but metal fatigue that'll get you then... :eek: :unsure: :o

Aye, in my left leg:LOL:

[Craig]

Aye, in my left leg:LOL:
The trials and tribulations of a diecast collector eh? :D

[P51D]

Mine arrived today and now that I have had time to look at it I can confirm that this is in my view the best 190 by Corgi todate.

First to the A8 mods. These have been generally very well done by Corgi. The new "bulged" cowling gun covers to the13mm MG131's and the new later style engine cooling gills are particularly good. Other mods include lengthened 20mm MG 151 outer wing guns c/w squared off bulged covers on the upper wing and a repositioned pitot tube.

The colour scheme is very well done and the mottling effect is particularly convincing.

Issues? For me there are three. Two minor and one not so clever. The minor ones are that the pitot tube is unpainted which looks a little odd. I don't know if this is as it should be so comments welcome. The second concerns the fuselage cross which is in grey. This may be correct and looks "right" as it blends in well with the mottling but every profile I have seen of this particular colour scheme shows them to be in black. Corgi could well be correct as at this time of the war toned down grey markings were often used but again comments on this are welcome. The final issue, and the only really anoying one, concerns the ridiculously overscale shackles that Corgi have attached to the underfuselage pilon. If this is meant to be a drop tank shackle then it's length seems to me to be closer to 1/32 than 1/72! However, it is just possible that this odd attachment is intended to be a form if "inflight" stand as the model balances rather neatly on them in undercart up position but this may just be me being overly kind to Corgi regarding this rather odd attachment.

Still all in all this is a great release and for my money knocks the spots of all other 1/72 190s produced by Corgi and Dragon. With only 1100 being produced I'd be inclined to get one if you are a fan of this type.

Saw the A8 today....looks great....nearly bought it and then thought 'all the talk seems to be about the checkered one' will order that one instead.....didn't realise it was an A-4 :o

Oh dear...must read the posts more carefully.....:LOL:

Think I will grab one of those A-8's when I'm passing and cancel the one I ordered (same shop). Have the Dragon one....but surprisingly this one looks better! :cool

[fozzy45]

Saw the A8 today....looks great....nearly bought it and then thought 'all the talk seems to be about the checkered one' will order that one instead.....didn't realise it was an A-4 :o

Oh dear...must read the posts more carefully.....:LOL:

Think I will grab one of those A-8's when I'm passing and cancel the one I ordered (same shop). Have the Dragon one....but surprisingly this one looks better! :cool

Trust me P51 you will not be disappointed. The more I look at the new Corgi Dahl A8 190 the more I like it (fortunately the pilon with its unfortunate attachment is removable). The colours look spot on to me and the subtle mottling is very well done.

The Corgi A4 with the checkered cowl is also rather nice although for some reason Corgi have chosen an early style black balkenkreuz on the upper wing surface rather the the correct low visibilty white ones. Apart from that its still well worth getting although the colours and mottling are both more convincing on the Dahl version.

[P51D]

Excellent recommendation there fozzy!! :cool: :cool:

Never thought i would prefere a Corgi 190 to a Dragon as I feel the basic dragon casting is superior.....however i think I prefere this one....superb!!

Ironic part is that i looked at it in the shop....liked it....and didn't but it the first time :confused: Think i just needed the 'fozzy seal of approval' (similar taste in diecast!) :D

[fozzy45]

Excellent recommendation there fozzy!! :cool: :cool:

Never thought i would prefere a Corgi 190 to a Dragon as I feel the basic dragon casting is superior.....however i think I prefere this one....superb!!

Ironic part is that i looked at it in the shop....liked it....and didn't but it the first time :confused: Think i just needed the 'fozzy seal of approval' (similar taste in diecast!) :D

Entirely my pleasure P51D and pleased that you like it.:)

[P51D]

Do these usually come with two tail wheels (in flight and static)?

Mine only had the 'down option' which is OK for now but if others have an extra wheel with theirs I had better chase this up.

[fozzy45]

Do these usually come with two tail wheels (in flight and static)?

Mine only had the 'down option' which is OK for now but if others have an extra wheel with theirs I had better chase this up.

Yes absolutely. Its one of the advantages over the Dragon vesion. I would chase them up or ask the retailer to do a swop. The extended tail wheel option should be in the small sealed plastic bag.

[P51D]

should be in the small sealed plastic bag.

Thanks fozzy, thats what I thought!

Another advantage with buying local....I have a feeling they will just grab a wheel from another box! :)

......Edit.....

On the other hand a quick check in the box and there it was....loose on the bottom :o .....:LOL:

[Shamrock]

Albeit a very old mould now Corgi have enhanced and improved it no end :) Improved wing cannon and fuselage MGs and a great scheme; there's life in the old dog still:D

[shuttle]

Got one yesterday - it looks great..!

:) Shuttle

[biffo]

Found this bit of Artwork, i think we are lacking Luftwaffe training Aircraft E.G. Arado Ar 96, a FW190 in these colours would sell, the pic is a FW190A-3 of EJG Bad Aibling May 1945 (training flight)http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk169/biffo633/002-1.jpg

[fozzy45]

I have to say that after picking up the recent Buhlingen 190 A8 the more I look at it the more I like it:) . The paint scheme makes a great contrast with the previous Dahl release and it is very nicely applied. As with the Dahl the only critism I have concerns the silly overlage drop tank shackles but if the underfuselage pilon is left removed - which it has to if this model is to be portrayed 'in flight mode' on its stand then this is not an issue.

So in danger of opening up another can of worms is this the best diecast 1/72FW 190A8 available? Well to my eyes yes. O.K. I agree it is not perfect - simply because it started life as an A3 version and therefore inevitably has some minor compromises - the main ones being the incorrect positioning of the rear fuselage access panel, the lack of the methanol access panel under the centre/rear fuselage (both of which are minor items that are difficult to notice) and the lack of ejector shutes fitted under the wing for the outboard cannons (I will discount the lack of the small -approx 4"- fuselage extension that was introduced from the A5 version onwards as in 1/72 this is not an issue). However, what makes this the best A8 is the quality of the tooling modifications which are quite comprehensive. These include the new upper cowling 'bulged' gun cover, the new radiator gills on the fuselage sides, the top canon covers on the upper wing surface and the correctly positioned pitot tube. For some time I have been after a decent A8 and these last two releases by Corgi have really hit the mark fo me. Looking forward to some more of these and then - if possible - it would be nice to see if a return to the A3 version could be considered?

[Shamrock]

Have to agree with you Fozzy on the latest FW 190; it's a belter :) As you mention the shackles are far too large. If you going to the trouble of including them why not throw in the bomb also :confused:

[kevjb64]

Have to agree with you Fozzy on the latest FW 190; it's a belter :) As you mention the shackles are far too large. If you going to the trouble of including them why not throw in the bomb also :confused:

At that scale probably would not fit in the box . :rolleyes: :D ;)

[Shamrock]

Might use the shackle on my 1/48 HM then, Kev :LOL:

[fozzy45]

Might use the shackle on my 1/48 HM then, Kev :LOL:

Actually it might be closer to 1/32:LOL: