Operation Chastise Lancaster

[datacroft]

I am confused!

Whilst bowsing that wonderous site and font of all knowledge on Corgi Aviation Tricatus, I noticed that the Operation Chastise Lancaster, AA47304, has a glazed nose.

On inspection, the very same model in my collection has a solid metal nose painted grey!

Is my model a re-issue and not a first edition?

Datacroft

[Agent X20]

47301 the white tailer was definitely solid nosed... Does this mean I have to go up into the attic..!! :mad:

could be another of these nasty repaints..!!!

[DCRanger]

My Op Chastise lanc (47304) is a first issue and has a glazed nose The illustration in the catalogue also has a glazed nose. This model was reissued as a Special Edition and in the catalogue appears to have a solid nose like the white tailed 47301 which seems a little odd.

I think the re-issued version was in fifferent packaging but had the same catalogue number as the originalBe interested to know if the re-issued version has the "First Issue" mark on the under side.

[Typhoon-MKV]

Yeah cause I have the re-issue and that has a clear nose....

Probably another Catalogue problem....

[goonybird]

As far as I can ascertain the only solid nose RAF lanc was the first issue 47301 PA474 BOBMF Johnny Walker.
The Operation Chastise 47304 1st issue was glazed. The re-issued sic was the same packaging, as was the same model (hence I havn't bothered buying one) except for an additional booklet about the raid. Which I don't recall ever seeing in the re-issued one. Not sure about whether they are stamped 1st issue or not though. Remember both of these were unlimited and there never seemed many first time round, so my suspicion is a large quantity were held back for the re-issue. Unless tri can fill in any gaps?

[Sailor.]

Could I go slightly off subjest in a genuine quest for knowledge? :p
In the famous phtograph which shows Guy Gibson and his crew climbing into their Lanc for 'Operation Chastise' the code is ED932, on Corgi's 1/72 scale Lanc it's ED932/G ...why :confused:

[DCRanger]

Is the "/G" on the actual model or are you referring to the catalogue description?. The G is part of the squadron code. IE AJ = 617squadron and the G is the individual aircraft. It shouldn't be any part of the aircraft code.

[Agent X20]

Isnt the /G top secret stuff and therefore requires an armed guard to be present at all times..

... have the same thing with my sub.... :D :D :D ...

This is not Agent kowledge, but a previous poster who gave this answer before... :D :D :D so copyright to him...!! :rolleyes:

[DCRanger]

Isnt the /G top secret stuff and therefore requires an armed guard to be present at all times..

... have the same thing with my sub.... :D :D :D ...

This is not Agent kowledge, but a previous poster who gave this answer before... :D :D :D so copyright to him...!! :rolleyes:
Could be right and presumably removed from the photo by the censor. If so, why dosen't it appear on the 1/144 version?

[Agent X20]

Cos its not a secret anymore..!!!!.....


... sorry couldnt resist that... think that too was the subject of a previous post and Albert was putting the matter right for the 1/72 Lanc...


... hes fallen in the water.... :D

[DCRanger]

So we have before and after models! Should the "after" model have a few holes in it? :D

[no4mkit]

Agent X20: Isnt the /G top secret stuff and therefore requires an armed guard to be present at all times..

By no means an expert, but I have read extensively on the Dambusters and their aircraft, and that's the explanation I recall.

[BSteinIPMS]

Agent X20: Isnt the /G top secret stuff and therefore requires an armed guard to be present at all times..

By no means an expert, but I have read extensively on the Dambusters and their aircraft, and that's the explanation I recall.

Yes, A+ to you both. :)

All British prototypes had a yellow "P" enclosed within a yellow circle indicating prototype status. If the aircraft or its equipment were considered secret then the serial number ended in "/G", indicating an armed guard would be required to always be present.

[Agent X20]

Did you post that first time round Mr Rifle... if so apologies, I stole your answer..

as to Bob hes been drinking that Newcastle stuff..again... W4050 didnt have a yellow P.....!!!! :D :D :D .. any others..

NOW that would be a good club model..... watch those engines..!!!

[BSteinIPMS]

as to Bob hes been drinking that Newcastle stuff..again... W4050 didnt have a yellow P.....!!!! :D :D :D .. any others..


1. No, I haven't, well....not yet at least....still at work. :D

2. Should have been more specific, sorry. :o As you know already, British prototypes could have the yellow circled "P" either with or without a "/G" suffix on the serial number. Conversely, British experimental or secret types could have the "/G" without there being a circled "P". I have photos of all three examples in books....but I'd rather read the label on a bottle of..... ;)

[Agent X20]

Work's the best time for drinkin it..!!

Hope you are not trying to type when performing those barrel rolls...!!!

[no4mkit]

Did you post that first time round Mr Rifle...

huh? nope, don't think so...

[planejunky]

The Dams lancaster was the first Corgi AA I ever bought back in 1998. Mine has the glazed nose and 1st issue stamp on the underside.

If I only knew what a logistical nightmare the collection would turn into! :eek: :D

[ForkTailedDevil]

I just received mine this morning in the post with clear glazed nose.

[Sailor.]

Thanks for the help chaps, had a word with Vic Hallam at the Derwent Dam museum. He says the G was for the 'armed guard at all times' bit, all 617 Lancs had it. This letter was painted out a couple of hours before take off, that's why it's not on the photo! :)

[Craig]

As far as I can ascertain the only solid nose RAF lanc was the first issue 47301 PA474 BOBMF Johnny Walker.
The Operation Chastise 47304 1st issue was glazed. The re-issued sic was the same packaging, as was the same model (hence I havn't bothered buying one) except for an additional booklet about the raid. Which I don't recall ever seeing in the re-issued one. Not sure about whether they are stamped 1st issue or not though. Remember both of these were unlimited and there never seemed many first time round, so my suspicion is a large quantity were held back for the re-issue. Unless tri can fill in any gaps?
The booklet in the reissue was a bit of a sore point. Apparently the "Enemy Coast Ahead" extract was only included in the mail-order Lancasters from the newspaper adverts, the general sale models didn't include it. The boxes are identical except the copyright date on the bottom was changed to 2003, otherwise it was the same, even down to the "RAF 80th anniversary" logo on the side. The model doesn't have the first issue stamp on it. I must admit I felt a little let down by Corgi's treatment of this model, although credit where credit is due when I requested a copy of Enemy Coast Ahead I was despatched one, so I do have one now. Still can't help but think of it as a wasted oppotunity though.

[Agent X20]

Think you have to look at the 1/144 Lanc as a 'toy' / iconic subject.. it's that popular, it will be released ad infinitum... the sales will be there (and so they should..)

What would be really clever, but Corgi are too thi*k to do it, is each time they re- release one, they should choose a different subject...(i.e different aircraft on the raid..).. what would it cost to change a letter and a serial number..

Nineteen planes later some of us might have a full set...!! (a collection.... )

Pocket money kid happy he has a Dambuster Lanc
Die Cast Collector Man, another 617 Squadron Lanc...

Smarter thinking perhaps...??

[goonybird]

Think you have to look at the 1/144 Lanc as a 'toy' / iconic subject.. it's that popular, it will be released ad infinitum... the sales will be there (and so they should..)

What would be really clever, but Corgi are too thi*k to do it, is each time they re- release one, they should choose a different subject...(i.e different aircraft on the raid..).. what would it cost to change a letter and a serial number..

Nineteen planes later some of us might have a full set...!! (a collection.... )

Pocket money kid happy he has a Dambuster Lanc
Die Cast Collector Man, another 617 Squadron Lanc...

Smarter thinking perhaps...??

Great idea Agent.......except one small problem...what are Corgi going to do with the other 20,000 they've still got sitting in their warehouse?? :D

[DCRanger]

Great idea Agent.......except one small problem...what are Corgi going to do with the other 20,000 they've still got sitting in their warehouse?? :D
19 aircraft released one per year and sell say 1000 = 19,000. Takes 19 years to sell but not likeley to have many left from 20,000. :rolleyes:

[DCRanger]

Just another thought- in 19 years time some collectors wanting the complete set will have missed a few of the early releases. That will make them very collectable and so many of us in this forum would probably have a very valuable long term investment :rolleyes: